Tea party turns out tax protesters at state Capitol
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By Bill Salisbury
bsalisbury@pioneerpress.com
Updated: 04/15/2009 08:43:28 PM CDT
Hundreds of tea-bag toting protesters staged a "tea party" at state Capitol on Wednesday evening to express outrage over soaring federal government spending, bailouts and a sour economy.
"Our message is simple," said rally mistress of ceremonies Sue Jeffers. "Repeal the pork, cut the taxes, stop the out-of-control spending and get government out of lives."
Modeled after the Boston Tea Party of 1773, the rally was one of an estimated 600 across the nation — including 15 in other Minnesota cities — that were sparked by President Barack Obama's $787 billion stimulus package and his proposed $3 trillion budget.
Speaker after speaker railed at elected officials of both parties for running up the national debt. Barb Davis White, an evangelical minister from Minneapolis and former Republican congressional candidate, said people are fed up with "socialists on both sides of the aisle."
Held on Tax Day, the deadline for filing income tax returns, the rally attracted fiscally conservative protesters of many stripes — Ron Paul's libertarian followers, Constitution Party members, some anti-establishment Republicans and a lot of people who had never attended a political event before.
Jeffers said the crowd totaled "at least 8,000," although there was no independent confirmation of that number.
When film critic Scott Nehring asked how many were attending their first protest, most in the crowd cheered.
Among them were University of St.
Thomas freshmen Zach Dziura of Mahtomedi and Zach Pagano of Monument, Colo. They held a hand-painted sign with a photo of Obama that read: "Change... That's all we'll have left in our pockets."
Dziura said they heard about the rally from College Republicans and read about it on Facebook. "We came because we're sick of all the government spending and concerned about the debt they will leave our children," he said.
Marcus Schmidt, 76, of Bloomington, rolled up in his wheelchair with a sign that read: "Give me liberty, not debt." He said he came because, "I'm disgusted with our government. Their fiscal management is lousy."
Angry shouts and slogans rang out at tea parties from coast to coast. At the Iowa state Capitol, about 1,000 people wore red shirts declaring "revolution is brewing."
In Boston, a few hundred protesters gathered on the Boston Common — a short distance from the original Tea Party — some dressed in Revolutionary garb and carrying signs that said "Barney Frank, Bernie Madoff: And the Difference Is?" and "D.C.: District of Communism."
In Washington, protesters threw a box of tea bags toward the White House, causing a brief lockdown at the compound.
In St. Paul, organizers predicted the rally would start a movement.
"This isn't a one-time hissy fit. This is the start of something big," John Salsbury of the Constitution Party told the crowd.
Organizers said the tea party was a grassroots operation made up of average Minnesotans who linked up through the Internet and a few web sites.
But before the event, a spokeswoman for a liberal advocacy group charged that the rally was an "AstroTurf" event, that is, a fake grassroots affair, that was organized by "big corporations or lobbyists for big corporations." Denise Cardinal, executive director of the Alliance for a Better Minnesota, said that while she expected grassroots conservative activists to attend the rally, "the whole synthesis of this event comes from D.C.-based lobbyists."
Cardinal cited a Web site, SaveTheRich.com, that alleged three conservative, lobbyist-run think tanks provided the logistical and public relations support needed to plan the coast-to-coast protests.
First proposed by CNBC's Rick Santelli, the tea parties were promoted by some Fox News hosts.
Cardinal also said many tea party organizers were local Republican Party activists. But the speakers were as critical of Republican officeholders as Democrats for high taxes and wasteful spending.
I was at the Tea Party and there were several thousand people there, not "hundreds!" Nice people too, not the angry DFL type.
For our survival, we need good healthy debate rather than the usual sugar. Attempts like this can be a start.
So people are protesting taxation WITH representation? Sounds like the opposite of the original tea party.
Unless you smoke, NOBODY taxes has gone up under Obama. WTF is Sue Jeffers talking about when she says "Repeal the pork, cut the taxes, stop the out-of-control spending and get government out of lives."The government is the only entity big enough to invest in the economy right now to keep it from collapsing. We live in a credit society, that's how small businesses buy equipment, make payroll, and stock shelves. Without out that investment, people get laid off. When people are being laid off, others stop purchasing. When others stop purchasing, our businesses post loss, and begin to lay off more people. With quarterly losses and rising unemployment, investments become more risky and banks pull back on loans. We go into deep recession.
Cutting even more taxes will not encourage banks to lend more credit to businesses.
Cutting taxes will not encourage business to hire more employees and invest in more equipment.
Cutting taxes now will not encourage consumers to purchase more.
Cutting taxes will only have banks, sit back and wait out the recession or use the money to buy up smaller banks. Recession.
Cutting taxes now have small businesses saving up until the economy changes. Recission.
Cutting taxes now will have consumers holding on to their money, not spending it and kick starting the economy.
The government is the only entity that can invest in the economy big enough to encourage the wheels to start turning again.
And, its starting to work. Citi-banks and Wells Fargo are posting gains after the last quarter and beginning to pay back the government loans. They are making more loans and refinancing loans making them affordable.
The middle class is taking the biggest hit. The poor will remain poor and the rich has a system that has always worked for them.
Sue Jeffers asking the government to get out of her life is not what she was saying when she got the small business loan (govt program) to start her business and the govt back credit line to run her business.
These tea parties started with an idea on WALL STREET (the same greedy MoFo's who dunk the economy) and is funded by three very rich Republicans who supported the policies that led to the economic breakdown.
People are being used by the rich. Ron Paul's supporters were genuine when they first talked about this, but now the politico Republicans have taken over and using the regular folks to do their bidding.
Eric
I noticed that Bob took down the thread that was about how good the employment was in other regions....
So, I was at a conference yesterday and sure as heck the numbers our in of the MAJOR metropolitan regions Minneapolis/Saint Paul was number ONE in percentage of people employed in the country. This is actually a better figure than the "unemployment number" where someone becomes invisible if they quit looking for work.
I'm guessing Bob must have seen the same stats somewhere.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Affiant like to see Eric and Chuck Post, Affiant also at her PC Laptop Vista, is fighting taxes, Criminal Charges v. Chief Judge Kathleen Gearin File no 62cv09-1163
for Case Fixing.
Out of 3 thousand Affiant is the only one to answer/crosscomplaint.
http://taxthemax.blogspot.com
http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/?p=1315
Thousands and thousands of people took to the streets on Wednesday to send a message. They gathered in groups large and small, waving signs, shouting slogans, and calling for real
Yes Chuck
We are # 1 for employing all illegal's.
Lets all piss on Demon-crat Liberals.
They all cover for each others wrong doing, and they get appointed to a job so they can lick someone's shoe, maybe they get these job to like other things.
bob, do we have to suffer through sharons constant linking to her blog?
Don't have a link on the home page for her and Bill to add their blog to so that they aren't hijacking every thread with links to their blog?
es Chuck
We are # 1 for employing all illegal's.
Lets all piss on Demon-crat Liberals.
They all cover for each others wrong doing, and they get appointed to a job so they can lick someone's shoe, maybe they get these job to like other things.
9:50 AMI know one Democrat that is in favor of very heavy fines for businesses that hire illegals. Me. Glad to see I've got some support.
You do know that most of those major restaurants, hotels, homebuilders, nanny services, fast food joints and meatpacking/turkey/poultry/cheese plants are owned by Republicans?
Republicans use them as very cheap labor and allow them to hide in the kitchens and factories and even their homes to avoid paying a decent rate to an American- not to mention the taxes they don't pay. Who do you think covers that tax gap? Its not the rich.
You cut off the source (easy to get jobs with little public exposure), then you slow down on the illegal immigration and prevent sustaining their ability to stay here without income.
$5000 fine for every single undocumented illegal working for their business. I am positive that will stop the flow.
OK, you bootlickers to the rich can tell me why its not the business owners fault.
I'm sure the hiring manager really thought that dishwasher who was fluent in Spanish but, challenged in English and had a SS# with a name Klaus Vrdolyak was really a Prussian immigrant.
Every 100,000 undocumented workers that are caught, there are 100,001 more ready to take there place. Start enforcing the law on the business and there is no place for them to go.
Also, we need to fix our immigration policy for those waiting in line. Its too long for some.
Now, who going to raid silicon valley with me and inspect the work visas of the Indian nationals working there?
Another problem on the horizon.
Eric
I was at the Tea Party and there were several thousand people there, not "hundreds!" Nice people too, not the angry DFL type.
10:52 PMClick Here For Pictures of the "nice people" not DFL typesEric
http://www.twincities.com/ci_12152062
Read the 233 comments even Bill Dahn posted
Bill Salisbury St.Paul Pioneer Press article, where it shows the people and other press reporting on the "tea party" at Minnesota's State Capital, that the Pioneer Press, that either Salisbury needs new eye glasses or he is just covering for the Democratic Liberals. There was thousands there.
Here is two comments on the article.
>> Hundreds? Naw there was only dozens of people there, and three porta-potties. Just look at the picures and new coverage. The pro-tax rally earlier in the day was way bigger.
>> 200 people showed up, how sad.
Many people were there to see and here the true fact about the nations dilemma, Native American Clyde Bellecourt was there also.
This is the best thing that could have happened.
To down size the actual attendance is propaganda to control people through the press and news media.
Wake Up and die right, propaganda controls the minds of week moral people.
the meaning of propaganda
1capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions
2: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause ; also : a public action having such an effect.
The U.S. Government are propagandist, and they think all of you are real stupid.
Eric said at 10:12 AM
Now, who going to raid silicon valley with me and inspect the work visas of the Indian nationals working there?
Another problem on the horizon.
Who were you preferring to when you said the Indian Nationals?
Jason Lewis is back another rally May 2nhttp://www.taxcutrally.com/d
Who were you preferring to when you said the Indian Nationals?Doesn't the term Indian National tell you? A person from India.
These major engineering firms are taking advantage of the H1B and H2b work visa programs to hire American educated Indian nationals with engineering degrees and paying them below market rate- thus simultaneously reducing the wages across the board and unemploying educated Americans.
These visas are supposed to go to foreign nationals who have a skill that can't be found among American applicants. They are also supposed to be paid the same as others in that position.
Many of these are six figure jobs that these Indian and Russian visa holders work for much much less with no benefits. Each visa is good for six years, and the money made is a fortune in rubles or rupies. Some go back to their country with know how and money.
Anyway, I'd think that these employees at Cisco, Oracle, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon and General Dynamics are a bigger threat to national security than the guy washing dishes at the Red Lobster.
All of those companies are Defense contractors and four of them develop and improve weapon systems. Its a big deal.
Eric
Eric to your comment at
3:30 PM
You and I don't run privet industry, and now with OBAMA running things will show he is no different then BUSH, except the color of his skin.
"Our message is simple," said rally mistress of ceremonies Sue Jeffers. "Repeal the pork, cut the taxes, stop the out-of-control spending and get government out of lives."
That is what they wanted in 1776, It must br nice to want.
That has nothing to do with my 3:30 comment.
My comment at 3:30 was about another form of illegal workers doing work that Americans can do and lowering wages by allowing company owners to game the system.
It goes with the crackdown on the companies that hire undocumented illegals for financial reasons.
Eric
St.Pauls doing real good Eric aren't they DFL ran and can't control their spending so they raise property taxes.Don't you thing theres a tpping point that has happened with high taxes?Take for example I have a duplex in the west 7th area and my taxes are 3,600 dollars a year.My values down and they are triple they were just 5 years ago.But let me be patriotic and pay them.F that I'm gone!
Fred
Fred and others:
The tea party was in 1773 not 1776.
The colonists had two grievances:
Parliament's authority to tax them without having representation in the House of Commons.
The monopoly of the Brit's East India Company and tea. Though the Tea Act technically lowered the price- it also cut into the profits of the merchants that sold cheaper tea illegally smuggled in to the Colony.
Last time anyone checked, everybody was represented in Congress with one member in the House and two Senators. So, there is no taxation without representation. It was a crybaby fest for the group that lost the election. Hey, I did it too back in 2001, 2003 and 2005.
Looks like there will be a deal on a duplex pretty soon. See ya Fred.
Eric
What the hell are you talking about Eric? I got a $11.00 increase in the take home pay and Obama sells me down the river to pverty forever withe spending he;s done. Who the hell do you think has to pay back the money that's being spent?
You damn right people are being used by the rich. Your rich buddy Obama has used our problems to give tons of money to all his rich buddies who can't manage a business any better then the government can.
So, you got more money in your paycheck.
The rich are paying more in taxes.
The economy is starting to turn around with the stimulus and two investment banks are looking at paying us back early- its been 8-days and your problem is what?!?!
We're you this vocal when Bush and the Republicans spent and cut us into the toilet?
Sit back and let the adults fix this economy. Obvious its above your head. Take your $11 and go buy a pack of smokes.
Eric
87 days
Eric
Bush at least gave out toilet paper
Extra Extra Read all About It!
Obama's Fraudulent Filings
Tell All 50 State Attorneys General To Investigate NOW The Compelling Evidence That Barack Obama Was Born In Africa!
I knew some folks would lose their minds over a black President. Its just goes against everything they hate to see someone succeed like him. Its not logical and it goes beyond him being a liberal.
He's been in office for ten weeks and teabaggers are calling for a an impeachment of a President who clearly won across the board. It wasn't close to claim a stolen election. Ten weeks out of two hundred and four!
We went to two wars, surrendered our Constitutional rights in the name of the Patriot Act and pissed off an economic surplus under Bush and he didn't catch hell until the end of an eight year run. He was about 600 weeks in when he lost the Congress.
Anyway, for those who disagree and hate the policies but still cherish the Constitution and our political process which has served us for over two hundred and thirty years, here's a link to a certified copy of Obama's birth certificate that was released in June of 2008- when we knew he would be the nominee.
http://tinyurl.com/63qw47
This is not going to end well, and its probably for the better.
Eric
Eric then and therefore Why are their recent LawSuits?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Law+Suits+v.+Barack+Obama&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
Because the world is full of nuts, Sharon. Know what I mean?
These cases have been lost by the way.
But, if you're sure, why not just go up the White House with Nancy Lazaryan and arrest the President?
Go ahead, you'll be a hero.
Eric
Eric We help each other, look at the YouTube pic's
As my sister in law is black, please do not pour your hatred of us whity's or Honky Broad
Its more fun having Fun, look at the pic's and see if your in the crowd....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WnlnYHhHLo
Nutty as a Clark bar.
Eric
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