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St. Paul wants debt forgiven to build rink
By Dave Orrick
dorrick@pioneerpress.com
Posted: 03/13/2009 12:01:00 AM CDT
Being called "Hockeytown USA" isn't good enough for St. Paul.
To make downtown truly a hockey mecca, it needs another stadium rink, Mayor Chris Coleman told state lawmakers Thursday.
And to build another rink, the city needs to get out of paying $32.75 million it owes the state.
Armed with endorsements from civic, business, entertainment and labor leaders — about every thumbs-up you can get to build something downtown — Coleman made the city's pitch before a state House subcommittee, which approved the idea by a voice vote along apparent party lines, with Democrats in favor and Republicans against.
"It creates jobs, it's shovel-ready and it can have an immediate impact on the economy," Coleman told a subdivision of the House Finance Committee. "This is exactly what the city of St. Paul needs to be doing in this economy."
It's called The Pond — a name that recalls the frozen-lake roots of the state passion — but you can think of it as a mini-X. Across West Seventh Street, between the 10th Street Transit Center and the Xcel Energy Center on vacant city-owned land long eyed for development, the proposed 3,000- to 4,000-seat arena would serve as a practice rink for the Minnesota Wild NHL franchise and as the host for amateur, high school and youth hockey, and figure skating competitions.
The three-story, 120,000-square-foot building would be open year-round and, in addition to its single sheet of ice, could house shops and restaurants when the economy turns around, Coleman said. It also could be home to an "amateur hockey center of excellence" that would coordinate clinics and competitions, according to the city's written pitch.
Backers see it as rounding out the Minnesota Event District, which includes the RiverCentre Convention Center, the Science Museum of Minnesota and the Ordway Center for Performing Arts.
Detractors see it as overaggressive forechecking in a city that ought to be guarding its open net.
Facing budget cuts, Coleman appears intent on closing the neighborhood Hamline-Midway Library, and at a meeting of frustrated patrons earlier this week, applause followed when one man shouted to Coleman, "How can you build a new hockey rink when you're closing down a library?"
On Thursday, Republicans fired slap shots, too.
"I remember very vividly promises from St. Paul that this was a loan, and, yep, yep, you're going to pay it back," said Republican Rep. Sarah Anderson, of Plymouth, who said she was a Capitol staffer in 1998 when St. Paul took out the no-interest loan. "And now, here you are."
That $48 million loan was used to cover less than half the cost of building the Xcel Center. The city has paid off $8.25 million so far under a schedule that balloons as it approaches 2021. The city is proposing continuing to make its next four annual payments, totaling $7 million, so the state wouldn't feel any fiscal pain for the next several years. The city wants the remainder — $32.75 million — forgiven and wants to take out taxpayer-guaranteed loans for about that amount to build The Pond.
The future of the plan is unclear.
The city has tried previously — and failed — to persuade lawmakers to forgive the debt. The difference this year, the city says, is that plans for the rink are now more solid. And the Pond name is new. In the past, Gov. Tim Pawlenty has not supported the loan forgiveness.
Its easy for coleman to propose this shit when he has no one running against him for re-election.
If this debt was forgivin, how about forgiving the St.Paul tax payors from paying taxes for a year ?
Someone please run against this thief.
Jeff Matiatos
Give us the Stanley Cup and we can talk about it.
Its just like the Minnesota Vikings.
Give us a stadium or we move they threaten.
Its been 33 years without an appearance in the superbowl.
I am not convinced the Vikings are worth it either.
Minnesota proffesional sports teams pay 1 or 2 top level players just to keep you going to the games. And every now and then, they win a division title but thats it.
Take a look at the Twins payroll ?
Raise ticket prices for all I give a shit !
Jeff Matiatos
Jeff Matiatos 9:46 AM
That's right Jeff.
Then if the state forgives the city, the Minnesota Tax Payers still pay, then DFL CHRIS COLEMAN gets a feather in his bonnet and give someone a "BIG" contract.
How much "kick back will MAYOR Chris Coleman get, on this Union built ice rink?
Tin Cup is closed where now Jeff ?
Jesse came out of no mans land, and he won the 1998 cheaters election in Minnesota.
Money Talks.
Bill Dahn
Hey its ok they can just raise our property taxes more to cover the costs! Thats exactly what will happen!
Bill Dahn doesn't pay taxes. No job.
Didn't the state just forgive St Paul for millions of dollars of debt a few years ago because they couldn't afford to maintain some auditorium? Now they want more?
This would be a great distraction from the growing backlash against predatory inspections.
The city is dirt poor and begging for handouts from anyone that will listen and they want to keep spending. It's way past the time for a complete new leadership in this city.
Our city is in the hole.
Then they want something that only benefits those with extra money to spend.
Chris Coleman and the city council only cares about the Union and getting some kick back or aka A BRIBE..
CROOKS-Crooks and MORE CROOKED SLIME RUNNING ST. PAUL.
SCATCRARY FOR THE ILLEGALS, is Aiding and Abetting of Criminals, but that's O K this is ST.Paul.
Witch Lesbian Judge what's Sarah Olson here?
She is not legally married, so this is one more Crook and Murderer living under the wing of the DFL aka Democratic Rulers in St.Paul.
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Release Leonard Peltier.
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Bill Dahn
www.billdahn.com
www.billdahn.blogspot.com
For a NEW MAYOR!
Sonny Boy Chris
Please don't raise the taxes anymore, I will lose my home.
C. Coleman's Grandmother.
Chris, do they have room for me at Dorothy Day Center.
Knock it off Dahn. Stay on topic or get out
Isn't this the kid of shit people were bitching about in the Federal stimulus bill ?
This would for sure qualify as an un-needed earmark.
Start thinking about getting tenants for all the vacant building space downtown Mr.Coleman.
Host hockey events there ?
We have so many ice rinks in this state we can't even afford to keep them open and Chris wants to build another one ?
What the hell is a tax payor loan ?
There has got to be something in the state and federal constitutions that prevent the government from taking your money for this shit.
Matter of fact, the constitutions may allow states and the feds to tax, but Coleman wants a "Loan" from the "State" which is the keeper of our taxes for maintaining vital public services not loans for building ice rinks.
I may attempt to get a restraing order / injunction preventing St.Paul from building this on the premis that it is money distributed as a loan instead of monys appropriated for public services.
Jeff Matiatos
The power to tax under the constitution :
" To lay and collect taxes,duties, imposts and excise to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare to the United States ..... " .
Where do the wild practice now ?
Are we going to charge the ownership of the wild for letting NHL players practice ?
Why don't the wild players practice on one of our many lakes ?
Coleman, what you are asking for is pork.
Go down to the stockyards, there is plenty of it down there.
Jeff Matiatos
Morton Downey Jr., we need you to blow some smoke in the faces of some liberal thiefs down at city hall.
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