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Hi All,
We have all heard about libraries closing. Well last night the Mayor had another public meeting attempting to sell his reasoning for closing libraries. There was testimony from a citizen how the library is a refuge for good kids.
Bill Dahn attended and presented Mayor Coleman personally with the A Democracy Town Hall invitation.
The Mayor accused Bill of flipping him the bird outside prior to coming in the building for the meeting. Bill said he didn't do this. But, we know the Mayor flipped Bill the Bird at a social get together over 2 1/2 years ago.
Bill handed out a great number of invitations to our Town Hall.
THANKS BILL!
This is the invitation to the Town Hall Bill presented to mayor Coleman.
ANYONE BUT CHRIS COLEMAN *Highest property taxes in Minnesota history. *Predatory housing code enforcement policies that have made women and children homeless. *No positive solutions to the vacant housing crisis that is Blighting our city. *Spending tax dollars on city projects that can wait until we are in better times. *Cutting Fire, Police and library services. *Property tax increases for 4 years in a row, and no end in sight. *While crime is going down in the rest of the country, it has actually increased in St. Paul.
Voice your opinion at A Democracy Town Hall http://www.ademocracy.blogspot.com/
I'd bet the farm that Bill did do this. hasn't he been arrested for similar stuff within the last couple of years? Yes.
Why in the hell would the mayor come here? Almost everyone of the participants have come to the decision about his stewardship over this city- Bob even puts it on his front page.
How f'ing stupid do you think people are? You kick them around and rumor mill them to death over conspiracies and such, then you approach the person and try to present yourself as having an honest question? Whatever.
He's doing a great job talking to people and getting their input and concerns. There is no need to bend to the concerns of those who support leeches who suck off the city and then sue it when they are forced to comply to city ordinances.
I'd also like to know what social event Bill Dahn imagined he was flipped off at, and what was Bill Dahn doing at a social event.
Eric
Eric said;
I'd bet the farm that Bill did do this. hasn't he been arrested for similar stuff within the last couple of years? Yes.
My response;
I think I know Bill better than you Eric and I would know if Bill had been arrested in the last two years. He hasn't! Why are you and Chuck resorting to out right LIES lately?
And why do you think someone should even be arrested for flipping someone the bird? I will answer that for you. You entrenched dflers in city government hate the first amendement. Kill the messenger, hide the truth.
The Mayor flipped Bill off at one of your famed SPIF get togethers.
Eric said;
How f'ing stupid do you think people are? You kick them around and rumor mill them to death over conspiracies and such, then you approach the person and try to present yourself as having an honest question? Whatever.
My response;
I didn't expect him to come here where the truth abounds. I was merely letting others know the A Democracy Town Hall efforts for growth are alive and well.
Eric said;
He's doing a great job talking to people and getting their input and concerns. There is no need to bend to the concerns of those who support leeches who suck off the city and then sue it when they are forced to comply to city ordinances.
My response;
The mayor is part of the reason these vacant homes sit around blighting the city. WISE INVESTORS came here with predictions of where the housing policies would take us and these bafones in city government didn't listen to them. We are at the place in time of the predictions here. The mayor with these public meetings is merely exercising damage control over his failed policy's.
The mayor has an agenda and he only seeks to fulfill that agenda at the expense of hard working tax paying citizens.
Leave the librarys open and stop the Lawson Commons project.
30.3 mil on this project. Yeeeks thats the deficit and some extra money.
I think it was Jesse had Bill arrested. It wasn't flipping the bird that Bill has a history with- its harassing public officials. He has a problem:
http://www.angelfire.com/mn3/billdahn/restrainingappeal.html
You're right you do know him very well. You yourself said last month that Bill has issues from his insulation and is unable to express himself with tact. Didn't you make up those excuse for him when Chuck and I were telling you how he verbally abused everyone who was trying to help him? Yes. You were there with the excuses.
And to rest of what you said about me personally, you can go fuck yourself.
I'm not lying about that, you really can.
Eric
Thank you for your comments Eric. Appreciated as usual.
Bills HISTORY is protesting. And some do not like it. That kill the messenger thing.
When Bill learns of these comments I am sure he will weigh in here.
Remember "ANGER" is just one letter short of "DANGER"
Can't we all just get along?
"Wise Investors" you mean the guys that got us into this mess right Bob?
Go to the City's web page and pull up the list of vacant properties and see how many of them were "investment properties."
These were the clowns with nothing down, 3% interest only until the next time the could flip the property.
So, they aren't the problem are they Bob? I mean the real world came calling and said they had to actually pay their mortgage and the price of housing wasn't going to go up enough to get one more flip out of it... so, they let the bank have it.
That is the problem in EVERY CITY IN THE COUNTRY. The ass holes that you protect have driven us over the cliff and we are now in a f'ing recession and you want to blame code enforcement...
WHAT PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON?
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck said;
Wise Investors" you mean the guys that got us into this mess right Bob?
My response;
No I wasn't talking about green horn investors Chuck and you know it. I was talking about guys like your friend Bill Cullen.
I think one of Bills comments went like this concerning vacant homes and the city's policy. "These homes will sit and sit and sit".
Bills Bird apparantly was the Phonix bird in Harry Potter?
who blinded the Snake, who is Coleman, YOu Go Billy Boy
remind everyone 13Mar09 this Fri of the Ad Hoc Hearing on the Abuses of Judges Rep. Dan Severson
Interpretation of Phoenix Billy Bird, Peace,Mystic,Healing
http://billdahn.blogspot.com
Eric said;
He's doing a great job talking to people and getting their input and concerns. *(Who Bill Dahn?)There is no need to bend to the concerns of those who support leeches who suck off the city *(the non-profits and entrenched beaucrats?)
The Mayor Is Cheating On Me
Don't ya just love em? They always accuse other people of what they do to people. I believe Bill Dahn not the Mayor.
"conspiracies and such, then you approach the person and try to present yourself as having an honest question? Whatever."
We're going to keep asking those questions until either the city officials or a jury answers them.
Thank you Eric and Chuck.
Only telling half the truth about DFL "Norm Coleman" and DFL "Dave Thune" help conceal what my complaints were, now to mention about "Chris Coleman" as Councilman and then Mayor.
"Chris Coleman" as a Lawyer and Councilman knowing my health condition, and the condition that "Ramsey Action Program" left my home in.
The Crooked DFL "Judges" in government don't respect the 1st. amendment right of the people, and they helped cover up for the CRY BABY Bi Sex Jesse the Baby Ventura and his LAWYER buddy Dean Barkley.
www.billdahn.com watch them getting me to change parties in the 1998 MN. Governors Race.
NO ONE EVER SHUTS THIS MAN UP!
Because I am a Breed of my own being Indian and German and the best thing about Bill Dahn is that "He's a "Christian"!
Does anyone understand about how valuable a signed and dated document served upon any person in City, County, State, or Federal Government can prove.
Looks like soon to be Ex St.Paul's Mayor "Chris Coleman" can go back to being what he does the best. Turning the truth around to fit "His" needs.
But either way Chris Coleman is on His way out of being the "Prince of St.Paul" aka The Mayor.
Check back tomorrow, to hear more about what Eric and Chuck would like people not to know?
Bill Dahn
www.billdahn.com
www.billdahn.blogspot.com
Bill dahn: "the CRY BABY Bi Sex Jesse the Baby Ventura and his LAWYER buddy Dean Barkley."
There is only one way you would know Jesse was 'bi'. You are a single man in his 50's who has never been married or have any children. You have only lived with other men. You own cats and you know all of the gay secrets of politicians.
Is this what you've been trying to tell us? You're not angry and crazy because of your freebie insullation you begged the county for, you are angry and crazy because your gay, and hate yourself for it.
You make me laugh Bill.
1:14, you do not know Bill it is obvious. Bill has kids. And has had girlfriends living with him.
Coleman, Paulose and Susan Kimberly he was mayor of St. Paul, appointed the first transgender deputy mayor in America: Susan Kimberly, and the list goes on in St,Paul's Government.
Right Boyz.
Bill Dahn here to comment back.
She lives in her home on the E.Side and I am happier that way.
Sen.Sandy Papas's office worker Ann Cook "Thunderhawk" was living at my home at 256 W,Bidwell after Sandy Papas a DFLer told her not to help me anymore.
DFL political cover up, and it just helped more by Sandy's worker being Native American.
Better then Chuck or Eric could ever have.
She had that insulation tested at Twin City Testing in St.Paul.
"WOW" 1.51 PPM Formaldehyde, look up what that stuff will do to your health.
Right Chuck and Eric!
A whittie and a black man that help cover the asses of government after RAP insalled it in 200,000 homes in Minnesota.
Why don't either of you care about your own people?
Or any people?
Chuck and Eric are just think if they keep f---ing with Bill go away and shut up, he will still run for mayor.
Move over DFL Bill's there to make sure the people has a voice in St.Paul Goverment.
Is this a contest to see who can degrade their fellow man the most or what?!
Try treating others the way you would like to be treated, it works great. On second thought, maybe not here in St.Paul!
Some folks, like Chuck's friends, are foaming at the mouth and should be treated for rabies.
Bill Dahn has tried for years to expose the facts that the Lesbian Judges Joanne Smith, Kathleen Gearin on the SCAP Panel are putting sex predators away, If the public knew these Judges Life styles, and are paying for them?
NO WAY HOSAY IS BILLY BOY GAY
Committ Panel on Scribd
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4787893/SCAPMay808
Anonymous said... 9:42 AM
Is this a contest to see who can degrade their fellow man the most or what?!
Try treating others the way you would like to be treated, it works great. On second thought, maybe not here in St.Paul!
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'Bill Dahn" our next St.Paul Mayor.
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We all start our life off thinking our government is the best in the world, and respecting the unions.
Then we grow up and see what life is really about. two political parties that will and do destroy the people that stand in their way.
By the way I was fighting St.Paul about this RAP agency from 9/1995, after fighting with all and then finally destroyed my life and my income, till I lost the house and everything I ever owned.
This happened on 9/11/2001 when 11 Ramsey County Sheriff Deputies came in and showed me the door.
Then I was homeless with no money and just the clothes on my back and two Siamise Cats to care for also.
The Day that went down in History, and the Day I was free from the pollutants in my home.
Sewer Gases and Formaldehyde at levels 1.51 PPM
You do not screw this Indian and laugh in my face like others that came before me.
Bill Dahn is the Warrior that just won't bow to this disgraceful government.
Bill Dahn
www.billdahn.con
www.billdahm.blogspot.com
PS
Anonymous said... 10:14 AM
Some folks, like Chuck's friends, are foaming at the mouth and should be treated for rabies.
Your Right
John,
I don't work for the government or for any taxpayer supported entity. Bill Dahn is the one dependent on the government for basic needs. Excuse me, while address him.
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Bill,
Read close and slow you dying waste of space piece of crap.
I worked hard at trying to help you. I didn't look for you, you came to me with effen hat in hand. I wasn't an attorney, a social service employee, or helpdesk drone. I was a DFL political operative who focused on elections. You didn't go to the Republicans HQ. You still haven't called them and asked them for help. You needed help, and you came to the DFL campaign office. Fine. You laid out your sob story. I made calls and visits, and copies for you. I set appointments. You were/are too effed up in the head to accept the help you asked for. When I noticed that, I tried to get you medical help. You didn't want that. You wanted to beat up Jesse Ventura because in your head, you got him elected by making an illegal agreement.
Every agency had turned you away because one moment you ask for help, the next you're cursing everyone and threatening the women. When it came to trying to get you medical help, you disappeared.
So cry victim all you want, I don't buy it. You refused help and support in order to make a martyr out of yourself and your self promoting everyday and on your website supports this. You've got your day in the sun with this audience here. But, don't try to lie, rewrite, or mis-characterize my interaction with you.
You can go back to being the greatest victim in the history of Ramsey County you worthless cog of a ricket.
Eric
By the way, nice bigotry.
Who gives a damn if they are gay or lesbians?
The next mayor of St Paul will be the current mayor of St Paul.
Bill, why would anyone with to sparking cells in their head vote for you? When was the last time you worked to earn a living so that you can pay your bills? Have you ever managed anything? What's the budget? How much is generated locally, state, feds? What's our bond rating? What practices are in place that keep us a fiscally sound as possible. Are legally able to serve?
This is the candidate for mayor from A-Democracy?
Eric
This is the candidate for mayor from A-Democracy?
Eric
My response;
With all your heart Eric you wish this town hall would support Bill. I like Bill, I consider him a friend, however, this Town Hall will not be supporting any candidate.
I will say, many of us attempted to pressure Mitch Berg into running. Mitch gave it a lot of consideration and for personal reasons he declined.
Get back on track Bill Did attend the Hamline Library Google for All
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Hamline+Library+video&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
Personal attacks are Stupid, With PC to save money perhaps we should save money by incorporating the Librarys into the School system out of Property Taxes or State Controlled via School
"You do not screw this Indian and laugh in my face like others that came before me."
But they did laugh in your face you idiot and they're still doing it chump. So what ya gonna to do about it?
To Bill Dahn
I have heard fron very reliable sources that they filled you up with formaldhyde and sewer gas to keep you from winning any elections to public office. How can I get in touch with you?
"E R I C"
DFL NORM COLEMAN, DFL DAVE THUNE.
OOP's Norm and Randy Kelly, maybe I may not win and Chris won't win.
why would soneone change from DFL if they were so great?
Eric licks the heels of DFL'ers Maybe we can get a black gay mam as mayor.
Eric would get my vote, he would be the real man to get elected.
Bill Dahn, the worrior fighting dishonest governnent.
Bill How dare you compairing Norm to this flock of sheep you call DFL Norm Coleman has brains and most who is on that DFL party just have money. Is that what's wrong with Al Franken.
Bill,
Seriously man, do you even make sense to yourself?
Eric
John,
I don't work for the government or for any taxpayer supported entity. Bill Dahn is the one dependent on the government for basic needs. Excuse me, while address him.
Yeah Eric and so are your brothers and sisters.Atleast we all know Bill has some mental problems and your brothers and sisters like sucking off the government and sitting on their asses.Way to go sporto!
The only thing you have going for you is you can type a good game but other then that your clueless fucko.
John
Bill, why would anyone with to sparking cells in their head vote for you? When was the last time you worked to earn a living so that you can pay your bills? Have you ever managed anything? What's the budget? How much is generated locally, state, feds? What's our bond rating? What practices are in place that keep us a fiscally sound as possible. Are legally able to serve?
Is this a question for Barack or Bill.Or both.Same thing, huh boys?
Yeah Eric and so are your brothers and sisters.Atleast we all know Bill has some mental problems and your brothers and sisters like sucking off the government and sitting on their asses.Way to go sporto!
Ummm, no they're not. My brother has a little supply business in Chicago that contracts with warehouses and shipping docks(you need parts or maintenance for your fork lifts or any stocking machine, let me know). No sister.
I don't understand the 'way to go sporto' comment. Is that some racist grouping thing you're doing? I don't get the benefit of individual responsibility? Let me guess, you're another accusing the city of being racist and wrong.
The only thing you have going for you is you can type a good game but other then that your clueless fucko.
Well, that would be one up on you however, wrong again. I have an education, experience and the ability to acquire what knowledge or procedures I need to get things done. I'm set.
Want to know what else I got going for me that you passed on? I paid attention in English. For instance, when calling me a name in place of my proper name, capitalize it. You should have used a capital 'F' like when I call you a Dick. Although you're small, you still get the capital 'D'. When I'm describing what you are, a prejudice wise-ass, no caps needed.
Thanks for playing John-John.
Eric
Is this a question for Barack or Bill.Or both.Same thing, huh boys?
8:54 PM
You're comparing apples to rugby.
Bill has run for office six or seven or eight times. Never got more than 2%. Barack has run for four different offices and won three. Each win was with either a record number of votes or record spread. He also ran through the longest primary in modern American Presidential campaigns.
Bill dropped out of high school. Barack graduated at the top of his class in high school, top of his class at his Ivy League College and top of his class at his Ivy League Law School.
Bill and Barack both volunteered to help the homeless and feed the poor.
Bill doesn't work. Barack is the leader of the free world.
Bill's work history is unknown. Barack has been a practicing attorney, Constitutional Law Professor (at a world class law school) and of course, community organizer.
No comparison at all.
The country seems to like Barack:
Despite the country's struggling economy and vocal opposition to some of his policies, President Obama's favorability rating is at an all-time high. Two-thirds feel hopeful about his leadership and six in 10 approve of the job he's doing in the White House.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29493021/
72 percent of Americans still say they have a favorable opinion of Obama—a higher rating than he received in NEWSWEEK Polls during the presidential campaign last year.
On the most important issue of the day, the NEWSWEEK Poll shows that close to two thirds (65 percent) of the public say they are very or somewhat confident that Obama will be successful in turning the economy around.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/188002
Eric
Eric did you "change" your last name to Obama yet?
You sure remind me of him, you both talk out you ass.
You can't stand a person that stand up and tell about the Dirty dealing in Government, can ya.
Your people were brought here under force, and were treated very bad by the people that used U for their own profits.
The Democratic way was slave drivers, and they killed who ever opposed them.
One big thing about me and "U" is that money isn't my goal in life, it to make sure people eat and people are safe from,
"The Government" poisoning people with unsafe chemicals within our own homes.
The DFers that run this town now and when I was asking for help with the poison insulation and the sewer gases flowing throw my home from the bad workmanship done by "union workers".
Are U a loving Democrat to the point U stood up for any BAD pollution they rendered on the people.
I work harder then U could ever, just by fighting against the people that try to shut me up.
There is only one way to shut Bill Dahn up!
Clean up Government.
If there were any votes that should not been counted here in Minnesota, think how many across this nation that Obama got illegally.
To promote illegal's in St.Paul is "aiding and abetting" criminals, but the DFers that ran St.Paul in the 30's and now are the criminals that run it now.
U must have the same mentality as them, was there to much incest in your family during the slave days?
You Friend Bill Dahn.
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PS I have the proof about my home, and that home cause Skippy to lose the election in 1998.
Jesse was the worst thing for Minnesota and he and Dean deliberately screwed U and this state.
Your people live in some of these 200,000 homes that Ramsey Action Program did in this State, but U don't care about them only yourself and the Democraps that U shine their shoes.
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wwwBillDahn,com for mayor
BILL you're sure right this time.
There was to much inbreeding in their culture back then.
The plantation owner breed the slave to be big and strong, and weak minded.
What poll are you looking at Eric?Facts are great use them.This is the number one polling service.Actually Rassmussen even predicted your buddy winning office.Baracks approval rating is falling and for the record Baracks approval is not at a all time high.Sorry to burst your bubble and clean your glasses for you.One last thing and it might make you shake and fall over but Bush had a higher rating after 50+ days in office.This guys toast.
Thursday, March 12, 2009
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 37% of the nation’s voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Twenty-eight percent (28%) now Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of +9 (see trends). Thirty-three percent (33%) now say the country is heading in the right direction.
Among investors, an equal number Strongly Approve and Strongly Disapprove of the President’s performance. Among those who do not invest, 43% Strongly Approve and 21% Strongly Disapprove. Among working Americans, the President receives his best ratings from government workers while entrepreneurs are most likely to voice a strongly negative opinion (see other recent demographic highlights).
The Presidential Approval Index is calculated by subtracting the number who Strongly Disapprove from the number who Strongly Approve. It is updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern (sign up for free daily e-mail update). Updates also available on Twitter.
Overall, 58% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President’s performance so far while 41% disapprove. For more measures, see Obama By the Numbers.
Just 27% of voters like the idea of a second stimulus package while 55% are opposed. Fifty-two percent (52%) of voters agree with Obama’s decision on stem-cell research. A Rasmussen Reports video looks at the gap between pro-life and pro-choice Americans on whether this research is morally wrong .
Ryan
Just wait till the end of the summer when Americans have lost an additional 20 to 30% of their retirement savings and see how many if any approve of him.
We all don't feel the same as Eric about Obama, It's a race thing with him.
Ryan,
Wall Street Journal NBC and Newsweek. Its listed with links.
Here are some polls on Obama's approval rating with names and dates:
DailyKos.com/Research 2000 3/8-12/09 68%
Democracy Corps 3/4-8/09 59%
Newsweek
3/4-5/09 72%
Diageo/Hotline 2/28-3/2/09 68%
NBC/WSJ
2/26-3/1/09 68%
FOX
2/17-18/09 68%
Whatever predictions you have for the future, right now he's riding high and with people believing in him, he needs to push his policies through that he ran on. Its why they voted for him and not the same ol' crap from republicans.
Oh yeah, from that same Rasmussen poll:
One important shift was among men, who trusted the GOP more on the issue last month by a 45% to 39% margin. This month, they trust Democrats more by a 48% to 40% margin. Women trust Democrats more on economic issues by a 47% to 41 margin, which has tightened somewhat over the past month.
Thanks for the info on what I already knew Ryan.
1:52- learn how to read a poll. Two-thirds of Americans feel like I do.
Eric
Bill, you're the sellout. A shame to your people and after this, I'm through responding to you.
Who do you think live in these units with multiple violations? Blacks, poor Whites, Hispanics, Asians and Indians.
None of the landlords denied that they had legitimate violations.
They feel that my and your people deserve to live without dignity just because they're poor. Well fuck those slumlords and you too for siding with them.
Nothing else matters except the fact they don't respect them. Look at what I take on here for asking questions. As long as you remain by their side, yelping at the people who threaten them- you will always be their dog.
You can I support the city but, I have taken on the departments, filed complaints and got results. You can call me a party hack but, I support the Democratic Party. I don't support all democrats, and have run campaigns against them. My ideology is certainly to the left. I also happen to be one that has created employment for myself within my issues I support. Good for me. Don't confuse the two.
You, and others, are being used as attack dogs for the agenda of people who don't respect your people (kinds like some of your comments on gays and jews), or even the citizens of St Paul.
Keep barking little doggie.
Eric
"Whatever predictions you have for the future, right now he's riding high and with people believing in him, he needs to push his policies through that he ran on."
Ummm.....would that be like when he said he would go line by line taking out "earmarks?"
***BREAKING NEWS***
In 2009 the government will start deporting all mentally ill people. I started crying when I thought of all my friends here at A Democracy, run like crazy, run!
I like Bill - He's for real. Eric, get real.
" Anonymous said...
***BREAKING NEWS***
In 2009 the government will start deporting all mentally ill people. I started crying when I thought of all my friends here at A Democracy, run like crazy, run!
8:57 PM"
How long do we have?
All 12 of us?
Eric,
If you feel the landlords are mistreating the poor, what evidence do you have or can point to, that even one tenant complained about the way a landlord, such as in the RICO lawsuits, mistreated them ?
How about a tenant lawsuit against one of these landlords ?
Show us !
Jeff Matiatos
Jeffy said:
Eric,
If you feel the landlords are mistreating the poor, what evidence do you have or can point to, that even one tenant complained about the way a landlord, such as in the RICO lawsuits, mistreated them ?
How about a tenant lawsuit against one of these landlords ?
Show us !
Jeff Matiatos
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No Jeff. I said these tenants were living in sub par conditions. Conditions set by the city as a bottom line for renters. To rent below those conditions would make you a slum lord.
How about from the RICO court records themselves? Will that satisfy? Let's one of these guys bought a shitty property, did not bring it up to code, rented it out to a disabled man on Section 8- while it didn't pass inspection, and the got sued by the disabled man- who was a friend of his for 15 years! That's the practice you protect?
From the RICO records:
Plaintiff Number One
Kelly Brisson
Brisson purchased 297 Burgess Avenue, a duplex, on September 10, 2001 as a
place to live and also rent out. (Exhibit 23, pp. 62, 63) Brisson was not a member of a
protected class. (Exhibit 23, p. 89) When he purchased the property it was in deplorable
condition and he admittedly did not have the money to make the necessary repairs.
(Exhibit 23, pp. 46-48, 64-70, 99, 251)
Brisson admits that many of the conditions for which he was cited actually existed
on the property. (Exhibit 23, pp. 75, 81, 94, 95, 101, 119, 120, 121, 122, 124, 125, 126,
127) He admits that photos of his property taken by the Defendant in support of the City’s
correction orders were accurate. (Exhibit 23, pp. 84, 85) He blames his tenant or others
for some of the conditions. (Exhibit 23, pp. 112-116, 120-121) For example, Brisson’s
lower unit tenant left without paying rent and the unit was “completely trashed.” (e.g., dog
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urine, feces, and garbage in the house) (Exhibit 23, pp. 112-116) Brisson simply could not
meet the deadlines set forth in the correction orders because he did not have the money to
fix his property. (Exhibit 23, p. 127)
Brisson eventually went through the Section 8 inspection and rented to Leo Sider, a
friend of Brisson’s for fifteen years. (Exhibit 23, p. 131, 135, 136, 137). Brisson claims
that Sider was disabled because he had serious back problems. (Exhibit 23, p. 132).
Brisson has no evidence that any of the Defendants knew that Sider had received Section 8
assistance or that he was disabled with a bad back. (Exhibit 23, p. 136). In fact, he had
no evidence that any Defendants had even met Sider. (Id.). Brisson admits that the
identity of his tenant and his tenant’s disability status had absolutely nothing to do with the
City’s code enforcement and condemnation. (Exhibit 23, pp. 132, 136-137, 169, 170,
268, 269). Brisson’s complaint is that he received a condemnation notice for the entire
duplex when the upper unit was the only one that did not have electricity. (Exhibit 23, pp.
170, 171). Brisson admits that the photos that were taken on July 22, 2003, one week after
he was issued a notice of condemnation, accurately depict his property on that date.
(Exhibit 23, p. 180). On August 12, 2003, Brisson was issued another condemnation
notice. (Exhibit 23, p. 196). Sider independently went to Legal Aid and retained an
attorney to assist him in a tenant’s remedy action (TRA) against Brisson. (Exhibit 23, p.
197). The action brought by Sider was resolved. (Exhibit 23, pp. 197-199). The City did
not have anything to do with the TRA or the settlement. (Exhibit 23, p. 199). Brisson
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admits that he would have addressed all of the issues listed in the correction notices
because the property needed it. (Exhibit 23, p. 254).
Nice. So he bought a property he couldn't afford to maintain, scams a disabled 'friend' for as long as he could get those checks, and lets the property fall into condemnation.
A real stand-up citizen.
Eric
I know Jeff asked for 'one complaint' against 'one RICO planitiff' and I thought I'd bring it back around to my point. These landlords admit to having problems with their property.
Sure they sued claiming the city was after them because they rent to a protective class. If you read the next plaintiffs court record, you'll see that not only does he admit to having code violations, he admits that he has SEVERAL properties and that only one was targeted. His other properties had minority and low income tenants and were not problem. Yet this one, did not and was a big problem.
He makes the case that they are not being target as a whole- or as a group since his other properties with actual minority poor tenants were doing fine.
Read on:
Plaintiff Number Two
Mark Meysembourg
Mark Meysembourg previously owned a number of rental properties within the
City, but claims that only one of his properties, 970 Euclid St., has been the subject of
alleged illegal targeting by Defendants. (Exhibit 22, p. 53). Meysembourg is not a
member of a protected class. (Exhibit 22 p. 47) However, he claims that there was
discriminatory code enforcement at 970 Euclid St. (Id.). Meysembourg admits that he had
minority tenants at his other properties and that those properties were not targets of illegal
code enforcement. (Exhibit 22, pp. 62-84). Meysembourg admits the code enforcement
has actually helped his rental business many times. (Exhibit 22, p. 79). Meysembourg
never rented to any Section 8 tenants so he admits that he could not have been treated
differently because of renting to Section 8 tenants. (Exhibit 22, p. 100).
He has no first-hand knowledge that Randy Kelly directed Andy Dawkins to try and
gain access to interiors of properties. (Exhibit 22, p. 88). He has no facts to support his
claim that Randy Kelly ordered inspectors to rid the City of “bottom of the barrel
individuals” or “low-income individuals.” (Exhibit 22, pp. 90-91). He has no facts to
support his claim that Randy Kelly maliciously and intentionally commenced a policy of
discriminatory code enforcement, or that Randy Kelly selectively targeted for discriminatory code enforcement properties with “bottom of the barrel, undesirable and
low-income individuals.” (Exhibit 22, p. 92).
Meysembourg’s entire lawsuit rests on the code enforcement of 970 Euclid St. He
claims that other nearby properties were not held to the same standard as 970 Euclid St.
(Exhibit 22, pp. 110-112). He states that his next door neighbor did an illegal foundation
repair, but when the inspectors were inspecting Meysembourg’s property they did not cite
the next door neighbor for the illegal foundation repair. (Exhibit 22, p. 110). He admits
that his neighbor rents to protected class individuals and claims that his neighbor was not
subject to code enforcement that he should have been subjected to. (Exhibit 22, pp. 110,
111). Meysembourg admits that he never reported his next door neighbor to code
enforcement. (Exhibit 22, p. 111).
Meysembourg’s allegations surround an inspection at 970 Euclid by Defendant
Martin wherein she was accompanied by Officer Koehnen. (Exhibit 22, pp. 112-114). He
claims they informed his tenants that he knew about the inspection and the inspection is
okay with him, and that is the reason the tenants let them in. (Exhibit 22, pp. 114, 115).
No affidavit or deposition testimony of any of Meysembourg’s tenant was ever presented
to corroborate his statement of what he heard from his tenants. (Exhibit 22, p. 115).
Meysembourg was sent a correction notice on November 15, 2002 listing a number
of violations. (Exhibit 22, pp. 122-123). Meysembourg admits that many of the deficiencies listed on the correction notice actually existed, but complains that some of the
deficiencies were untrue. (Exhibit 22 pp. 123-129).
Meysembourg appealed the correction notice to the legislative hearing officer.
(Exhibit 22, p. 131). Meysembourg’s only issue on appeal to the legislative hearing
officer was that the inspection was illegal and that the correction notice items should not
be considered. (Exhibit 22, p. 136 ). He did not present any evidence that any of the
violations were false. (Exhibit 22, p. 136). Meysembourg contacted the Department of
Justice and informed them of what happened at his property. (Exhibit 22, p. 148). The
Department of Justice Civil Rights Division did not find any prosecutable violation of
federal law. (Exhibit 22, p. 148). Meysembourg could not identify any other occasion or
property where he believed inspectors misrepresented their authority to gain entry to a
property. (Exhibit 22, p. 150). Upon reinspection by the City, Meysembourg refused to let
the inspectors back into the property. (Exhibit 22, p. 138). A search warrant was issued
by the Ramsey County Court so a follow-up inspection could be completed. (Exhibit 22,
p. 155). After that inspection, a correction notice was issued on January 2, 2003, listing a
number of deficiencies. (Exhibit 22, pp. 156-158). Again, Meysembourg admits that
some of the deficiencies existed, but disputes other deficiencies. (Id.). Upon the third
inspection, Meysembourg came up to his property as Defendant Magner was coming out
of the property’s basement. (Exhibit 22, pp. 159-160). Magner informed Meysembourg
that there was not a proper safety relief valve on the boiler. (Exhibit 22, p. 160).
Meysembourg disagreed because he had St. Paul Plumbing there the year before and they
put in a safety relief valve. (Exhibit 22, pp. 162, 163). Meysembourg later admits that
there were two valves in the basement but he had nothing to show that one of the valves
was working. (Exhibit 22, p. 200).
Meysembourg received a notice of condemnation of his property dated February 3,
2003. (Exhibit 22, p. 164). Meysembourg appealed the condemnation order to the
legislative hearing officer. (Exhibit 22, p. 169). Meysembourg limited his appeal to the
illegality of the November 15, 2002, inspection and the question of whether or not there
was a pressure relief valve on the boiler. (Exhibit 22, p. 170). The City then filed a TRA
against the property. (Exhibit 22, p. 173). At the hearing on the TRA, the parties had a
conversation about a code compliance inspection. (Exhibit 22, p. 176). After conferring
with his attorney, Meysembourg agreed to do a code compliance inspection so that the
TRA lawsuit was dropped. (Exhibit 22, p. 178). Meysembourg later disagreed with what
had to be done as part of the code compliance. (Exhibit 22, pp. 179-182, 186, 188).
Meysembourg admits that he would have, even without the code compliance inspection,
done many of the repairs in order to be a responsible landlord. (Exhibit 22, p. 190, 191).
Meysembourg has not indicated that his tenants at 970 Euclid were protected class
individuals. (Exhibit 20, #3(c), (d), and (e)). [Meysembourg does not recall the race of his
tenants but thinks 70 percent were African-American and Hispanics.
Again, no claim to the discrimination practices.
Admission of code violations.
Given several opportunities to clean up his place.
Eric
So you pointed out that Sider had problems with Brisson.
It appears it was resolved, so maybe part of that resolution was mutual.
You don't know the specifics of the resolution and maybe Sider admitted to having caused some of the problems and Brisson admitted his part and it got worked out.
Big FN deal. What does that prove in the end ?
I see something wrong here about Brisson being permitted to purchase a property that was in deplorable condition.
What did the TISH report say at the time ?
Would the city actually have permitted the sale of a home in deplorable condition ?
Your saying he scammed his friend is trumped up.
Brisson may have been negligent at worst.
Did Sider move out after the TRA proceedings, or did the resolution permit him to stay ?
As Paul Harvey would say :
" And now, for the rest of the story " Lets hear it Eric.
Now, your next example.
Meysembourg just seems pissed that his neighbors were not getting the attention of Code Enforcement that he was getting.
IF I am to believe what you have written is the truth, then it seems to be a case of an irritated landlord who butted heads with code at the wrong place and time.
But, you have not shown me any convincing cases where a tenant has an outright case against a landlord.
At best, we have guilty parties on both sides.
If thats the best you can do, well, you better do some more digging.
Jeff Matiatos
You are not telling the truth again Eric. I know Kelly and I knwo the situation. Leo Sider told legal aide he DID NOT want to sue Kelly. Legal Aid had him sign some papers he didn't understand and then found out that it was to sue his friend.....something he told the lawyer he did not want to do.
Tell us Eric about how Section 8 had just approved the rental unit 2 weeks before all this stuff happened. I think you forgot that part. Section 8 doesn't approve dumps, they make you fix every little thing before they OK it.
The story goes on and on, but I wouldn't want to bore you with facts. It seems you just pick and choose parts of things that make people believe something completely the opposite of what really happened. For instance like the part about the upper unit opf the duplex being condemned for lack of electric when it was shut off due to identity theft of Brisson and an outstanding balance that wasn't his, and then the city condemning the entire building, thus causing the disabled renter to move out. You're a crafty one Eric, but most people here are onto you.
Boy Eric, this Brissons scamming of his friend after 15 years friendship, sure fits in with your version of the ( Facts ? ).
are you talking about landlords who have junk cars,trailers and shit covered by tarps in there yard?Sound familier Repke?Ya little rat!
City Inspector
9:11 those items are all ok if you have an in with the city, its just us average citizens that are not allowed that!
I didn't change one word of that report. I copied and pasted it. You can read it yourself by going to Sharon's page or looking in the archives here.
Jeff, you have no proof of what you just concluded. Your 'maybe' this and 'maybe' that could be well and dandy except, te facts don't show it.
You ask for one thing. You got it. Now, you are changing rules again. I'm not shocked or surprised. You got your one tenant suing one RICO landlord.
"Meysembourg just seems pissed that his neighbors were not getting the attention of Code Enforcement that he was getting."
I agree with you on that. So why did he go and file a RICO suit that states he's a victim of the city's plan to target landlords who rent poor minority tenants? Why?
He claimed his neighbor didn't get cited because they had minority tenants- meaning he didn't catch a break because he didn't.
He admits to no having problems with code enforcement in his other properties.
He admits that he had some cose violations.
Then why the RICO suit? Because he didn't want to clean up his property?
Brisson is one of those fly by night flippers who could not unload the property in time. He admits to not being able to afford to fix it when he bought it.
(Jeff also said)
Would the city actually have permitted the sale of a home in deplorable condition ?
Your saying he scammed his friend is trumped up.
Brisson may have been negligent at worst.
Well, it sound like you are with Chuck and I (and Bostrom) that these properties need to pass code BEFORE they go in the market. Welcome.
I'm saying he scammed his friend because he did. He knew he couldn't keep the place up and still rented it out.
He admits when he bought the property, he couldn't afford to keep it up. He admits that the violations are true and the pictures of his dump were accurate. Yet he found his friend, who was on disability, and rented him his place. Regardless is his friend settle the suit, or not. He felt he HAD to go to legal aide for help.
Being negligent is what you get written up for. You can't neglect your property to the point it becomes a health and safety hazard for the tenants and neighbors.
This is who you side with. While I suspect that some people have legit issue with the city, these guys who rode in their RICO suit, are not your knights in shining armor.
Some of them are downright slumlords who have taken advantage of the poor. You can keep defending them, I'm good with where I stand on this.
Eric
The fact that they enetered Meysembergs place with no Search Warrant and the tenant didn't want them there soesn't bother you does it Eric?
What's wrong with code vioaltions Eric? Everyone has them, and you get them fixed. WHat's the big deal? It's too bad you are not as concerned with the fact that the city came in and in addition to the minor code violations, they lied and fabricated more serious violations so they could cendemn the place and move the people to the street. Don't be harping to us about these landlords taking advantage of the poor people, it's a bunch od crap. You are the one taking advantage of them Eric by your constant denial of the city civil rights violations against them and the landlords so they can throw them in the streets over behavior and predjudice issues that the neighbors don't like. If you are going to tell the story, then tell the whole story.
10:43 (RICO LANDLORD or RL),
I'm not spinning anything. I copied and pasted EXACTLY what was there.
RL Said:
It's too bad you are not as concerned with the fact that the city came in and in addition to the minor code violations, they lied and fabricated more serious violations so they could cendemn the place and move the people to the street.
In all of the times they went to court over a case HE (you) filed, he forgot to bring proof of this?
What was in court is his own admission that on three occasions, he was correctly cited for code violation. He claimed some other things were made up but brought no proof like photos, receipts or a repairman's signed testimony.
As far as civil rights violations, he went to the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division. That's the Feds. You don't get any higher and they take their job very seriously. I know one of the attorneys in that division. They reviewed the case and found NO violations. Nothing. Not even enough for further questions.
He also admits that his other properties have no problem with code enforcement and was even HELPED by code enforcement. He also says that those tenants are minorities. So, the city can't be targeting properties with poor an minorities. Only those with violations.
You got the names of the people the city wanted to move out on the streets?
So far, it looks like that the tenants wanted out in a couple of cases. TRA has those records.
You got anything? Any proof besides a string or words? I'm only quoting court documents. Your landlords admit to having violations.
Again, why is it OK for poor people to live in squalor?
Eric
It's not OK for people to live in squalor. Is there a difference between squalor and the damage a renter does to his unit? Why is it that the renters hardly ever complain until the landlord demands that they follow the lease or they get into some kind of trouble and cannot pay the rent? The most common types of violations are inoperative smoke detectors and torn screens. I that your idea of squalor?
Eric forgot to tell you this part:
130. In the August 1 2,2003, Revised Notice of Condemnation, Martin and Dawkins
also falseIy stated that the windows and screens were missing, defective or in a state of disrepair.
This continued to be false as the windows were new and screens were fine. Brisson was going to
be adding window casing trim to the newly installed windows once a different inspector had
approved the installation of the windows. Martin and Dawkins also falsely stated that the front
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storm doors were in disrepair. Brisson had replaced all three screen and storm doors, including
the fiont storm door.
13 1. Some of the violations that Martin and Dawkins listed in the August 12,2003,
Revised Notice were duplicates of other violations listed in the same written Notice of
Condemnation, but listed as separate numbers, and said Defendants maliciously duplicated these
items in their effort to inflate the number of claimed violations so Defendants could wrongfully
demand a full "code compliance" on Brisson's duplex.
Eric also forgot this part:
15 1. Meysembourg filed a legislative appeal detailing the claimed code violations
listed by Martin that were false. At the hearing, Meysembourg's tenants testified on his behalf.
Police Officer Koehnen appeared at the hearing. Koehnen was initially in a seated position in the
hearing room but when the first of Meysembourg's tenants started to testify, Koehnen stood up
and stepped into the isle in direct line with the tenant, spread his feet, folded his arms and glared
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at each tenant, all in an attempt to intimidate the tenant witnesses. Koehnen continued this
intimating conduct through the testimony of Meysembourg's tenants.
Dawkins and Martin claimed in this
written Condemnation Notice that the west side boiler lacked a pressure relief value and as such
this condition constituted "material endangerment" justifying immediate condemnation of the
duplex. This was false and maliciously stated by said Defendants in order to justify the
retaliatory emergency condemnation by Dawkins and Martin of Meysembourg's building, which
was intended by said Defendants to forcibly remove Meysembourg's tenants, including his
protected class tenants, all causing damages to Meysembourg's and his tenants. Dawkins and
Martin also falsely listed in the Notice that the "roof' was "deteriorated" and the lack of deadbolt
locks.
156. Meysembourg again filed a legislative appeal. During this hearing, Meysembourg
presented evidence that the claim by Dawkins and Martin of the lack of a boiler safety relief
valve was false. The City's hearing officer refused to look at Meysembourg's evidence and once
again denied Meysembourg's appeal
162. As part of LIEP's 111 code compliance inspection process on Meysembourg's
duplex, LIEP did not require repairs to the roof, the deadbolt locks remained on the doors as
before the November 15,2002, inspection, and the boilers' pressure relief valves that were in
existence at all times during 2002 and 2003 were unmodified by the LIEP inspection process.
Eric don't want you to see this:
Martin and Koehnen also went upstairs and knocked on the door of
the upstairs rental unit at 91 0 6' Street East and woke up the tenant, a mother of two minor
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children also residing with her. When the tenant opened the door, she saw Martin and Koehnen.
Martin told the tenant that she and the officer had to come in to inspect her apartment because the
downstairs apartment was being condemned and that, "We are going to be condemning other
properties of Mr. Steinhauser's." Police Officer Koehnen was towering over the tenant about
two feet away from her. The tenant informed Martin and Koehnen that she did not want them in
her apartment, to which Martin replied that they had to come in and that was the reason for the
police officer being present. Martin stated that it would be for the tenant's own good. Because
of the police presence, the tenant stood back and Martin and Koehnen entered her apartment.
175. During the inspection, Martin called Steinhauser a "slum lord" and said that
Steinhauser preys on poor people, Afiican-Americans, and that Steinhauser does not repair his
rental properties. Martin encouraged the tenant to sue Steinhauser for all the money she had paid
to him in rent since she had moved into the apartment over a year earlier. The tenant informed
Martin and Koehnen that Steinhauser was a good landlord to her and that he performed repairs
when she asked and that Steinhauser had been at her building performing repairs for the last
week.
The upstairs tenant at 910 6" Street East, has stated that what was done to her, her
family and to Steinhauser, was wrong and that, "The only thing the inspector could find was the
plugged toilet and yet they condemned the unit and forced me to leave my home." She has stated
that Martin and Koehnen "were nitpicking things in the apartment - they created a big list of
problems out of nothing during their inspection."
During the code compliance inspection by
LIEP, one of the inspectors informed Steinhauser, "The building is really not that bad ... if you
have a plugged toilet, you fix the toilet - you don't go get a code compliance."
194. When Defendants finally allowed Steinhauser access to his 1024 Euclid duplex to
conduct his own inspection, Steinhauser and his rodent exterminator determined that there was
no rodent infestation in the building and that there was no evidence that there had ever been any
rodents in the building. In fact, the exterminator noted that no rat droppings could be found.
195. Another false entry deliberately and maliciously placed by Martin and Dawkins in
the same Notice of Condemnation was their false assertion that the 1024 Euclid building was
without heat. This was falsely listed by Dawkins and Martin as constituting "material
endangerment," in order to trigger the condemnation.
196. Dawkins and Martin knew that their statements of fact concerning the lack of heat
were false and they made these statements deliberately to maliciously damage Steinhauser. In
fact, the heat thermostat had simply been turned off by either the tenant or someone else and
there was nothing wrong with the heating systems that served both units at 1024 Euclid, as was
confirmed by a third party contractor.
204. Other examples exist of this continuing discriminatory policy, custom andlor
practice in he City. Mr. Bee Vue, who came to the United States fiom Laos in 1979, has lived in
Minnesota since 1979. In 1996, Vue entered the real estate investment business in St. Paul. He
and his wife currently own 24 rental properties in St. Paul and rent seventy (70) percent of their
units to people of color. A member of the City's PPU, Attorney Dolan, informed Mr. Vue
during a court proceeding that, "Personally, I don't think you people deserve to be in this
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country." This statement made by Dolan was overheard by other landlords. Vue and others were
shocked by this statement made by a member of the City's PPU.
. A City housing inspector informed Krahn in the Summer of 2002 that the City
wanted to review his tenant screening process to determine who he was renting to. The inspector
stated that the City did not want him renting to people assisted by Project Hope, as they were
"bottom of the barrel" and not desirable. "We don't want you renting to them," the inspector
said, referring to Project Hope clients. These or similar statements were repeated again by the
same inspector in the Summer of 2003.
2 16. Even though Krahn's tenants refbed to bring court claims against Krahn,
nevertheless Dawkins with the assistance of Attorney Dolan, named Krahn's tenants as party
plaintiffs in the TRA filed in court The failure of the City and CSP to obtain the approval of
Krahn's tenants to join the TRA lawsuit against Krahn is confirmed in a June 18,2003, letter to
the tenants from a private attorney assisting CSP. Krahn concluded from this letter that at no
time did his tenants consent to be added to the City's malicious suit against him and yet the City
and CSP added Krahn's tenants' names to the pleadings.
11:33
That's what Brisson's attorney claimed in court. However Brisson's own testimony contradicts this. See below:
Brisson purchased 297 Burgess Avenue, a duplex, on September 10, 2001 as a place to live and also rent out. (Exhibit 23, pp. 62, 63) Brisson was not a member of a
protected class. (Exhibit 23, p. 89) When he purchased the property it was in deplorable condition and he admittedly did not have the money to make the necessary repairs.
(Exhibit 23, pp. 46-48, 64-70, 99, 251)
Brisson admits that many of the conditions for which he was cited actually existed on the property. (Exhibit 23, pp. 75, 81, 94, 95, 101, 119, 120, 121, 122, 124, 125, 126,
127) He admits that photos of his property taken by the Defendant in support of the City’s correction orders were accurate. (Exhibit 23, pp. 84, 85)
Admitting that your property was in deplorable conditions is a world of difference from a couple of screens missing.
That's what court is about, finding the evidence to support your claim. In this case it was easy as Brisson admits from the start, the property was deplorable and he didn't have the money to repair it.
You are giving a great replay of why you lost RICO in court. If I was your attorney, I would have fought for an individual case of excessive enforcement, maybe. Maybe you could have gotten some ordinances changed. You took a different route that was stretch from the beginning.
Eric
. On January 30,2003, City Code Enforcement Officer, Mike Kalis, supervised
by Dawkins, commenced the illegal harassment against Johnson by posting a "Vacant Building"
sign on his occupied property located at 469 Whitall Street. The property was in fact occupied
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by Johnson's son as his home. Kalis ignored the obvious occupancy of the home. Because of
the Vacant Building posting and order prohibiting occupancy of the home, Johnson's son was
forced to leave his home in the middle of winter.
223. Following Johnsons' successful appeal of the illegal vacant building posting on
469 Whitall, on February 10,2003, the City rescinded the "Vacant Buildingyyst atus after the
City's Nuisance Building Unit reinspected the home.
The raid at Johnson's 941 Cypress rental home for alleged drugs, the arrest of the
disabled tenant, the subsequent failure to charge the tenant and the issuance of a condemnation of
the home as a result of the raid, was similar to Brisson's experience in October 2003.
23 1. As part of the condemnation of Johnson's 941 Cypress property, Lippert and
Dawkins prepared and mailed to Johnson a Notice of Condemnation and Order to Vacate dated
March 13,2003. The sole basis for the condemnation of Johnson's 941 Cypress rental property
was listed as "excessive storage of combustible materials "throughout" the home. Lippert and
Dawkins falsely and maliciously stated the condition of the home. The tenant was simply
repairing his snowblower in his kitchen. Instead of allowing the tenant to remove his
snowblower and gas can from his kitchen, Lippert and Dawkins took the most drastic action in
condemning the property and prohibiting anyone from living in the home. This illegal and
malicious
Eric should have pointed out that housing in St. Paul never used to be politicized, with rare exceptions. Political people like him and Chuck had to defer to common sense, fair play, and legitimate code interpretation and usually found other things to do.
On or about August 21,2003, without Miller or Kakish's knowledge or consent,
Martin gained entry to the inside of the 12 Oakley rental property and conducted an interior
inspection of the upper and the lower units. Martin made an illegal entry and search of the main
floor apartment unit occupied by Miller's Hispanic tenant without the consent of Miller or the
tenant and without an administrative warrant or existence of an emergency.
254. After this illegal entry and search of Miller's building, Dawkins and Martin
prepared and mailed to Miller and the occupants of the rental unit a written Notice of
Condemnation and Order to Vacate dated August 25,2003. This discriminatory action by
Dawkins and Martin shut down Miller's rental building and forced his Hispanic tenant fiom her
home and prohibited Miller fiom renting to the African-American tenant ready to occupy the
upstairs rental unit.
255. During a code compliance inspection that occurred after the condemnation,
City inspectors fiom the LIEP office stated to Miller that they did not feel that the conditions at
Miller's building warranted that the building be condemned by Martin.
Well folks.....as you can see from the above postings, Eric doesn't seem to want to tell you all of the story. He just likes the parts he can take out of context to advance the notion that the city has done nothing wrong. In the above posting there's all kinds of people that don't know each other (tenants and landlord alike) who are basically saying the same things about corrupt and illegal code enforcement actions.
Who ya going to believe, a DFL operative spinning the party shit or all kinds of other people who don't even know each other, but have fell victim to the city's predatory code enforcement scam?
And folks, what we have now, is the replay of court. Throw out as many accusations and clutter up the system as much as you can.
The reality happened two-fold:
1. The testimony of the landlords amounted to an admission of having code violations and not addressing them.
2. They failed to prove any of these accusations/claims that they are now trying to present here.
They failed. No trickery or corrupt courts. They simply didn't prove their case on several levels. This was the finding of the court and I have provided the records that show this.
Eric
Well, this is a blog financed by the RICO landlords so, let's not start talking about 'who to believe'. The difference is I'm not paid by the DFL to do anything and the DFL is not involved in your fake RICO suit.
I only copied and pasted your own testimony AFTER you claimed all of the above stuff. I'm asking them to believe YOUR own words. Not mine.
I didn't beat you. You beat yourselves. You had a lot of accusations and brought a suit, when it came time to testify and prove your case- you only proved the city was right in writing up those code violations.
First you DISTORT the case,
Then you DISTRACT from the findings,
Finally you lie on the those who oppose it.
Its an old political formula that never works beyond its introduction. Too east to dissect.
Again, Eric didn't do anything but re-print the testimony of the landlords. They admit to having code violations, not being able to afford the property the purchased and not really having other problems with code enforcement from their other properties.
Eric
They also admit to having fabricated violations and civil rights violations perpetrated against them so that side of the story has the same wieght of credibility as the side you are trying to tell right Eric? Or do you prefer the "pick and choose" method of trying to make your point?
Don't worry Eric. Your just a lightwieght. When the going gets tough they are going to bring in Rush Limbaugh!
I'm not a landlord and have no skin in this game but reading here and looking at both sides of the argument, I have to say that common sense says to go with the landlords. Too many people all claiming pretty much the same set of facts. If they have the evidence to back it up they have a winner in my mind.
1:31
It was the landlords with the claims that took the city to Federal Court.
They claimed RICO based on the race and class or their tenants.
The city defended themselves saying they had code violation concerns, regardless of tenants.
The landlords failed to prove their case in court and it was dismissed by the Feds.
They admitted in testimony that they had violations so, the city was within its authority to cite them.
They admitted that other properties they own wit minority tenants had no problems from code enforcement.
They brought a case and failed to prove their case. Its not my words, its the finding of the Federal Court on December 18, 2008.
I'm not trying to convince the majority of you of anything, only keeping it honest. This blog is supported by the landlords and the owner accepts money from them.
Eric
and...you are a landlord and had plenty of skin in this game.
Eric
1:25 PM said
bring in Rush Limbaugh!
That would be a "RUSH" for Government of St.Paul, and here comes the Judges.
Lock them all up together, in the state pen.
Rush Who ?
It's a very small man that would stand with the city and try to minimize goings on in this city. To sit and lie about the facts makes it even worse.
Most landlords who rent to low income people know exactly what's going on with inspections. Why is there any debate at all concerning if there are facts or not?
Rico landlord wrote:
yeah yeah yeah and blah blah blah.....I'm not a fucking landlord and not as big of an idiot as you are. Rico doesn't have anything to do with race and class, it has to do with criminal activity you fool.
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Really?
Its criminal? You sure its not a civil case? You seem to be lost from the beginning. Maybe its why your case was dismissed. Follow me and I'll refresh your memory.
From the beginning, the lawsuit claimed the city was discriminatory in enforcing housing codes and unfairly targeted some landlords who rented to low-income and minority tenants. They claimed that the city was violating the Fair Housing Act and federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO). Hence the 'RICO' landlord tag.
After many months and 2.5 MILLION emails turned over from the city, they failed to prove their case.
In a 53-page decision, U.S. District Judge Joan Ericksen broadly noted the claims that did not have evidence to support them.
Should I post the decision?
They had their chance and failed to prove their case because it wasn't a case in the first place. If they would have kept their property up, they wouldn't have been in a situation to contradict themselves and prove the city to be acting within its authority.
Eric
SO Eric, are you saying that rico is a civil lawsuit and not criminal? I remember seeing several mafia peopele convicted on rico charges and put in jail. Do you go to jail for civil stuff now?
SO Eric, are you saying that rico is a civil lawsuit and not criminal? I remember seeing several mafia peopele convicted on rico charges and put in jail. Do you go to jail for civil stuff now?
10:51 PM
Ummm YES. It's a civil RICO case. Actually, its a frivolous lawsuit.
The longer this thread gets, the easier it is to realize how PT Barnum made his money. Not only do some of you detach yourselves from reality, you refuse to walk into the light.
Yes, its a civil suit. It 'was'. Its has been dismissed.
Eric
I know a mayor who is firm -he's firm in his pants, he's firm in his
shirt, his character, but most of all, he is firm in you, the citizens of this city.
The mayor is a man who takes his point and pounds it in.
If necessary, he'll take an issue and nail it to the wall.
He doesn't attack things in spurts, he drives hard, pushing and pushing until finally he succeeds.
The mayor is a man who will go to the very end, to the climax for each and every one of you.
So vote for our mayor and he'll come between you and the best this city has to offer.
Thank you Mr.Mayor.
Jeff Matiatos
Someon in the coffee shop told me this the other day.
I thought there was some kind of hidden message in it.
Jeff Matiatos
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The longer this thread gets, the easier it is to realize how PT Barnum made his money.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, its a civil suit. It 'was'. Its has been dismissed.
Eric
Eric you are full of shit! The Fair Housing lawsuits are being heard in the federal 8th. circuit district court.
5:05,
So glad you could come to the show !
Eric you are full of shit! The Fair Housing lawsuits are being heard in the federal 8th. circuit district court.
(another example of what I'm dealing with)
1. The Fair Housing is part of the RICO suit.
2. It was heard in the 'federal 8th circuit district court'.
3. On December 18th, it was dismissed with a 53 page Decision by U.S. District Judge Joan Ericksen broadly noted the claims that did not have evidence to support them. 53 PAGES!!!!
4. Of course, like most people convicted of murder, the landlords said they will appeal. However, with 53 pages showing how they didn't prove their case, its dead.
III. CONCLUSION
Based on the files, records, and proceedings herein, and for the reasons stated above, IT
IS ORDERED THAT:
1. Defendants’ Motions for Summary Judgment [Docket No. 198 in Civil
No. 04-2632, Docket No. 173 in Civil No. 05-461, and Docket No. 166 in Civil No. 05-1348] are GRANTED.
2. All Counts in Civil Nos. 04-2632, 05-461, and 05-1348 are DISMISSED WITHOUT PREJUDICE as to John Doe, Jane Doe, and Jane Roe.
3. Counts VI in Civil Nos. 04-2632, 05-461, and 05-1348 are DISMISSED
WITHOUT PREJUDICE to the extent they are based on the right to
freedom from the taking of property without just compensation under the
Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
4. Count VIII in Civil No. 05-1348 is DISMISSED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
5. Except as stated in paragraphs 2-4, all remaining claims in Civil Nos.04-2632, 05-461, and 05-1348 are DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE.
LET JUDGMENT BE ENTERED ACCORDINGLY.
Dated: December 18, 2008
s/ Joan N. Ericksen
JOAN N. ERICKSEN
United States District Judge Appeal
Read all 53 pages yourself.
Federal District Court Decision
Eric
The appeal was;
Accepted from what credible sources say.
The appeal was;
Accepted from what credible sources say.
I just searched for a case number or schedule and found nothing.
These are very public decisions. Once they are made, its instantly posted by federal code (law).
What's your credible source, a judge? You know they are located down in St Louis, right? You bug their office?
I am pretty sure that an anonymous poster, posting anonymous information from an anonymous source, which flies in the face of years of procedures, is enough for the nuts on this blog.
Eric
Who cares what some Judge says? They get overturned all the time, that's why we have appeals courts! I think they will appeal Eric and when they win you'll have egg on your face.
Its more like I think they did appeal!
Who cares what some Judge says? They get overturned all the time, that's why we have appeals courts! I think they will appeal Eric and when they win you'll have egg on your face.
1:19 PM
Really?
How about the fact that the Eighth Circuit has a reputation for throwing out frivolous lawsuits, and appealing with the same claim plus, the one that the lower court judge did not do her job is, self-defeating?
Since this is such a political conspiracy induced blog, suck on this:
The federal judge that dismissed this case is Joan Ericksen. She was appointed for life by Bush Jr.
Now the Eighth Circuit Appeals is the most Republican in the country. The most. 82% of its active judges are Republican appointees.
Guess who appointed the majority of the judges on the Eighth? "Bueller, Bueller?" That's right, Bush Jr.
So, without any new evidence, or any old evidence for that matter, you expect the Appeals court to over-turn the lower court. You'll be lucky if they take more than one hour reviewing this before tossing you out.
There is nothing here to grasp to rather you believe in the process or the conspiracy.
Eric
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