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Have you got this in your scope?
Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House.
This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009.
We just learned yesterday about this on the Peter Boyles radio program.
Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because it is flying under the radar.
To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information.
Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:
.It is registered
.You are fingerprinted
.You supply a current Driver's License
.You supply your Social Security #
.You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing
.Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.
.There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18.
They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison...
If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along. Any hunters in your family - pass this along.
Peter Boyles is on this and having guests. Listen to him on KHOW 630 a.m. in the morning. He suggests the best way to fight this is to tell all your friends about it and "spring into action". Also he suggests we all join a pro-gun group like the Colorado Rifle Association, hunting associations, gun clubs and especially the NRA.
This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone realizes it. (Did Obama promise transparency? It seems his motives are more and more transparent while his methods are hidden in back rooms.)
This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not.
If you take my gun, only the criminal will have one to use against me. HR 45 only makes me/us less safe. After working with convicts for 26 years I know this bill, if passed, would make them happy and in less danger from their victims.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45:
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45
Please.. copy and send this out to EVERYONE in the USA .
typical wingnuttery... so, it's ok that you're required to provide an ID to vote, but not OK to provide an ID to register a gun?
and nowhere in the bill does it say that "You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing". that's just a scare tactic to get you upset....
I hope it is OK to post this here.
Man Wanted- must be good looking, willing to wash my back and all the places I can't reach. I want a man who will open doors for me and cuddle in bed.
Back to the topic.
This is what this leads to. When the socialist illegalize guns they will have a record of who should be turning in their fire arms. And if you don't do it, they will come after you.
".It is registered
.You are fingerprinted
.You supply a current Driver's License
.You supply your Social Security #
.You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing"
Ok. I believe we have the right to bear arms. But I do not know why anyone would have a problem with the requirements ot own one, as outlined above. I do not understand the "physical" requirement, but can certainly understand the "mental" health issue. I do not want crazy people owning guns, let alone assault weapons!
Aside from the physical health requirement, I do not see why one would worry about losing their right to own a firearm. If you are a law abiding citizen, and you have no ill intentions, you would NOT be in jeopardy of losing your right to own a firearm. So, whats the problem? We have to give the government more information to lawfully drive a car than you would under this proposed law.
2:48, to make your own point for you, that last item, "You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing" ISN"T EVEN IN THE BILL....
let's say that again, slower this time for the mouth breathers...
THAT IS NOT IN THE BILL...
The only people talking about this being the first step towards banning guns altogether (which wouldn't ever stand a chance in hell of passing) are two groups, both with a vested interest: 1) the NRA. scare people into joining your cause, keep the dollars flowing in... 2) gun manufacturers and dealers, for the same reason as above. scare people, and they'll buy more guns before the phantom ban...
I'd really like to see a reasoned, rational answer as to why a registration requirement is a bad thing.
8:26
I agree that this is all a big scare tactic. As I stated earlier, I do not see what all of the fuss is about. So, I would like to see someone answer your question:
"I'd really like to see a reasoned, rational answer as to why a registration requirement is a bad thing."
Anyone want to take a shot at it (ha ha, excuse the pun)?
we need guns to to stand off cops.
I am a law abiding citizen. It is not the governments business if I own a gun.
Obama Wants Gun Bans
Never mind that the Supreme Court recently declared that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms.
The Obama administration plans to reinstate the Clinton administration ban on so-called "assault weapons" that expired in 2004 under the ban's sunset provision. They have other gun controls measures in mind as well.
"As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons," Attorney General Eric Holder told reporters on February 25.
Holder said that re-banning "assault weapons" would not only be good for America, it would help Mexico, which is currently plagued by gun violence among drug cartels.
Of course, the certain way to stop such Drug War-caused violence would be to end the War on Drugs, but Holder chose not to explore that approach. Holder also neglected to explain why American freedom should be limited at the request of a foreign nation. Most glaringly, he did not explain how the federal government, utterly unable to stop immigrants or drugs from freely crossing the border, could somehow be successful in stopping weapons from doing so.
"Assault weapons" are not the only victim-disarmament measures the Obama administration wants to see, Holder says.
"I think closing the gun show loophole, the banning of cop-killer bullets, and I also think that making the assault weapons ban permanent, would be something that would be permitted under Heller," Holder told the Senate Judiciary Committee during his confirmation hearing. ("Heller" refers to the Supreme Court ruling in Washington, D.C. v. Heller, which declared the Second Amendment protects an individual right to own firearms.)
"Assault weapons," "cop-killer bullets," and "gun show loopholes" are all lurid, bogus, deceptive anti-gun propaganda terms. In the past, legislation to "control" these made-up menaces have been Trojan Horse laws -- vehicles with wide-reaching, Draconian gun control elements hidden in their language.
The term "assault weapon," as used by Holder, has no real meaning, as such guns are semi-automatic firearms that look different -- sometimes more "military" -- than traditional hunting and self-defense guns, but possess no additional firepower. Thus the guns were essentially banned for cosmetic reasons, and the ban was often derided as the "ugly gun law." The propaganda term "assault weapon" leads the public to often confuse these weapons with automatic weapons, i.e., machine guns, though they are not. This confusion, of course, is often deliberately encouraged by anti-gun forces.
"A semi-automatic is a quintessential self-defense firearm owned by American citizens in this country," said Wayne LaPierre of the National Rifle Association, in response to Holder's remarks. "I think it is clearly covered under Heller and it's clearly, I think, protected by the Constitution."
"Cop killer bullets" have never killed a cop, and laws to ban them would arguably ban vast amounts of conventional ammunition. The "gun show loophole" merely allows citizens who are not licensed firearm dealers to sell guns at gun shows. It is not a "loophole"; the current law was deliberately written to protect such private exchanges from government control.
Check the links above for more information on these topics, which are sure to be widely debated in the days and weeks ahead.
Froggy
"It's Hoppin In Frogtown"
And I have a big gun for them hip hoppers! Ain't nobody tellin me to register it.
just for the record, the second amendment says "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
sounds like the framers planned on the right to bear arms being regulated, well regulated... says so right there...
secondly, I disagree with your statement that "cop killer bullets have never killed a cop". if you follow this link, http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2007/data/table_40.html you will see that from 1998 to 2007, 19 police officers have been killed by bullets that penetrated their body armor. (actually 20, but one was attributed to body armor failure)...
so far, the reason is "it's not the government's business". but, it is the governments business if you own property, own a car, or even buy sudafed, so why isn't owning a gun? I'm sure the family members of the 508 police officers killed from 1998 to 2007 would have a disagreement with you.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/killed/2007/data/table_38.html
You're going to have to try a lot harder to convince me HOW registration infringes on your right to own a gun.
sheesh, I toss out a couple of documented facts instead of effluvia found on the internet, ask you to make an intelligent reason for your opinion, and you give up? Bob, I had hoped for better from you and whomever requested this post...
Bob, is there any way to put the date of a post at the bottom in addition to the time? Because for someone reading this it appears I called you out after only a few hours, instead of a couple the couple of days it really was...
I haven't read all of HR 45, but I get the gist of it. I'll say this. I own a number of hunting rifles that qualify as sniper rifles according to this bill. I was required to go to firearms safety classes when I was 12, and have been hunting ever since. I have two brothers who are cops, so I know all about the dangers police officers face. However, my Brothers and I all feel that this law is complete B.S. You're not taking guns from criminals, you're not regulating criminal purchase of weapons, firearms, etc. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT LAWS, they're criminals. When is someone going to get it through their thick heads on this matter. Gun owners, legitimate gun owners don't want the government to even start regulating because where does it end... we give them armor piercing bullets, next they go for jacketed bullets, hollow points, ballistic points. They're as fanatical about getting rid of guns as people are about keeping them. The real problem here is that we continue to let murderers get out of jail to do it again. If we just executed them there would be less crime. People don't need guns to kill, I'm sure that Cain didn't just magically pull a fully automatic varmint rifle out of his bag to kill his brother Abel. How about the government offering something in return for registering their guns instead of making them pay to do it, and making them pay to have a license. How about giving us tax free ammo if we have a licensed firearm in that caliber. How about incentive instead of threats.
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