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Saint Paul Police say they do not want Andy Dawkins friend to come back to Saint Paul

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Bob said...: Sara Jane Olson Should
Stay in Calif., St.
Paul Police Say
Both Calif. and Minn. law enforcement
agree
Created On: Wednesday, 11 Mar 2009, 6:27 PM CDT

Julie Rose
ST. PAUL - The St. Paul Police Federation says that convicted terrorist 62-year-old Sara Jane Olson, also known as Kathleen Soliah, should serve the remainder of her sentence terms in California. Olson, set to be released from a California women's penitentiary center March 17, 2009, had petitioned to serve her parole with her family in St. Paul.

Soliah posed as St. Paul housewife Sara Jane Olson for 24 years, before her arrest and incarceration for her involvement in terrorist acts by the Symbionese Liberation Army in the 1970s in California.

The 650-member police union submitted a letter to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger Wednesday, following the lead of Los Angeles corrections officials. On March 6, the Los Angeles Police Protective League submitted its own letter to Schwarzenegger, saying Olson would be better monitored in Calif. because Minnesota does not have sufficient interest to do so.

"The police officers on both ends of this case are united in their opposition to Ms. Soliah's attempt to once again run away from her crimes," said LAPPL President Paul Weber. "Governor Schwarzenegger has the power to stop her this time, and we are asking that he exercise that power."

"Returning Soliah to the same neighborhood that harbored her during her 24-year flight from justice is hardly conducive to strict parole monitoring," St. Paul Police Federation President Dave Titus wrote in his letter to the governor. "When Soliah has paid her entire debt to California, then and only then, should she be allowed to live where she chooses. Making parole convenient for the perpetrator is a travesty of justice."

In 1975, Olson, as part of radical group SLA, participated in two failed pipe-bomb attempts on Los Angeles Police squad cars and a bank robbery in which one person was killed.

Olson was hiding in plain sight in St. Paul for 24 years after fleeing California. In 1999, she was captured after being profiled on America's Most Wanted, and was convicted of attempted murder in 2001 and was later convicted of being an accomplice to murder in the bank robbery death.

Olson has cited a clause that allows released convicts to serve parole with their families. The decision isn't yet final on whether she'll be allowed to move.; 6:09 AM
Bob said...: From the article;
In 1975, Olson, as part of radical group SLA, participated in two failed pipe-bomb attempts on Los Angeles Police squad cars and a bank robbery in which one person was killed.

Olson was hiding in plain sight in St. Paul for 24 years after fleeing California. In 1999, she was captured after being profiled on America's Most Wanted, and was convicted of attempted murder in 2001 and was later convicted of being an accomplice to murder in the bank robbery death.

My response;
Sara Jane wasn't only hiding in plain sight, she was embraced by DFL party hacks in the City of Saint Paul.

Andy Dawkins one time "gestapo housing code enforcement guru" proudly defended her publicly, and this is a man who believed anyone who is a criminal had no right to housing in Saint Paul. Unless it is one of his friends of coarse.; 6:22 AM
Anonymous said...: Sara Jane Olson may have escaped justice early on, but she self cleansed herself and lead a productive life.

Look at the Kent State shootings.

Those Guardsmen got off the hook.

I don't condone the murder of anyone, and I agree with the sentence Sara got when she was discovered.

Thats the kind of thing that went on in those days. It wasn't an isolated incident.

There could be a few posters here that wouldn't come right out and say so, but probably wouldn't pass on planting a few pipe bombs of their own under the vehicles of some of the assholes running this town. I don't know of any though !
Laugh.

Jeff Matiatos; 7:12 AM
Anonymous said...: Another SLA member, Camilla Hall, also came from St. Paul. She grew up on Chilcolme in St. Anthony Park.; 9:09 AM
Anonymous said...: Soon, I won't be able to tell you from Bill Dahn or Sharon Anderson, unless you keep the beard. Then it'll be tough call between you and Sharon.

Did the DFL elect her to any office? No.
Did the DFL elect her to any party office? No.
Did anyone know her to be a fugitive on the run? No.

She gave money and volunteered for the organization. So what. The DFL is no more responsible for than the Republicans are for the active Klan members who support them and run for office under the GOP brand. Even right now, the black Chairman is about to be ousted for the guy he beat, a guy who defends his membership to a Whites Only country club.

Besides, when Andy was defending Diva's, you had your head so far up his ass that one could see your eyes, every time he opened his mouth.

I know a bit about you and I wonder how many of your friends with a criminal past, that you wouldn't step up to talk about the good they've done in the years since their crime. I know I would for my friends but, I guess we have different definitions of friendships.

For the record, I don't know her and she was on her way to prison when I moved here. Her family has the means I think they should move out to Cali with her for her probation.

Eric; 10:51 AM
Bob said...: Eric the point is, we have a city that uses housing code enforcement to rid the city of undesirable citizens, through condemnations. Dawkins was the driving force behind these rogue housing code policy's.

I have an email in which a Council person is concerned over a renter who had a felony conviction 5 years old. Because of the predatory code enforcement landlords are fearful to give a ex felon on the good path a chance. That is the climate your friends here in control created.

Double Standard when it comes to their friends like Sara Jane who have had issues.

I will post some newspaper articles showing Dawkins and other DFLers support of Sara Jane when I get back from work.

Eric said;
Besides, when Andy was defending Diva's, you had your head so far up his ass that one could see your eyes, every time he opened his mouth.

My response;
I had made public and private statements wondering what the hell Deb Johnson was doing hiring him.
I gave ole Andy praise when he won a motion.

Eric said;
I know a bit about you and I wonder how many of your friends with a criminal past, that you wouldn't step up to talk about the good they've done in the years since their crime. I know I would for my friends but, I guess we have different definitions of friendships.

My response;
I give support and advice to all my friends when they ask. I lend a hand to strangers on a regular basis. There is incidents right here at this blog I openly support my friends who have had troubles.; 12:52 PM
Anonymous said...: Eric the point is, we have a city that uses housing code enforcement to rid the city of undesirable citizens, through condemnations. Dawkins was the driving force behind these rogue housing code policy's

That's not the point. The city has no position on her. You created one. Dawkins is not in city government anymore, when he was, he was not the spokesman for the city of st paul. He didn't create the policy, vote on it, or decide when to enact the ordinance. All of those decisions were made by people elected by the citizens. The citizens who support code enforcement.

I give support and advice to all my friends when they ask. I lend a hand to strangers on a regular basis. There is incidents right here at this blog I openly support my friends who have had troubles.

...and why is not OK for other people to support their friends? That's what Andy and Sandy did. They did not get her off the hook, she was taken away and paid her debt.

I have an email in which a Council person is concerned over a renter who had a felony conviction 5 years old. Because of the predatory code enforcement landlords are fearful to give a ex felon on the good path a chance. That is the climate your friends here in control created.

Code enforcement is what the citizens asked for. You beef is with the voters of st paul. ALL of the above has nothing to do with this case. Unless, Sarah Jane plans on renting from one of your slumlords. Stay on subject.

Are you for forgiving people with criminal backgrounds or not? Then remain consistent.

Double Standard when it comes to their friends like Sara Jane who have had issues.

Really?
Was she arrested on a code enforcement violation? Or was it a 27 year old charge that she needed to pay for? She was arrested and sent to California to serve time in prison. Seems like the system worked.

The city hasn't said anything about Sara Jane. Only the Police Federation which advises Cali to keep her.

You throw words like hypocrite and double standard out there and you clearly have no clue.

Try again Bob. Fail.

Eric; 2:48 PM
Anonymous said...: What Eric is trying to say is:

The city defines undesireable citizens as people who disagree with the leadership.

Code enforcement is completely arbitrary, with no citizen oversite.

The city then educates the masses on how to rat on their neighbors, stating that this is normal.; 3:44 PM
Bob said...: Once again so even Eric can understand this;

The BIAS is > ANDY DAWKINS WOULD HAVE HIS EX-CRIMINAL FRIENDS LIVE IN SAINT PAUL BUT WHEN IT COMES TO CITIZENS LIVING IN LOW INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS who may even be associated with a criminal, well they have got to go. HE HAS A DIFFERENT POLICY for his friends.

"GET RID OF THE NEST TO GET RID OF THE CRITTER" in low income neighborhoods, that is Andy's policy!

I will remind you Eric Mayor Coleman was once on the city council before becoming Mayor. He supported these predatory housing code policy's and so did some of the dinosaurs on the city council.

You throw around the citizens elected thing like it really means something. It would mean something if we didn't have an ignorant voting populous. AND, very few citizens vote in the city of Saint Paul. Your people do not have a mandate Eric. I think it is important to let new readers know your stake in this Eric. Eric is the DFL Treasurer and campaign fund raiser.

I have posted evidence here of numerous families being put on the streets without any due process of law other than code enforcement saying you are OUT. All because they were suspected of a crime or the neighbors didn't like them, and in most cases no criminal charges were brought against anyone.

I have posted stories that suggest the city didn't mind putting innocent woman and children on the street with a condemnation of their home, all because a family member that was living with them may or may not of been involved in a crime.

Then folks like Dawkins who was leading the charge to condemn innocent to the street has the nerve to publicly support a woman who had every intention of killing police officers and robbing banks! And instead of condemning her and her family to the streets like he did so many others he and his friends entrenched in the DFL party support her.; 5:08 PM
Anonymous said...: Still not comprehending, are you? You're just going to twist the points to make yours.

The BIAS is > ANDY DAWKINS WOULD HAVE HIS EX-CRIMINAL FRIENDS LIVE IN SAINT PAUL BUT WHEN IT COMES TO CITIZENS LIVING IN LOW INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS who may even be associated with a criminal, well they have got to go. HE HAS A DIFFERENT POLICY for his friends.

Has Andy Dawkins said anything about her coming back to St Paul? No

Where are you getting he has a bias? He hasn't said a thing about her since long before he went to work at code enforcement. What policy do you see Dawkins supporting? Last I checked, he was private attorney working in another city. The last public thing he did was defend your friend Deb Johnson. I think he argued that to shut her down would be discriminatory because she played to a mostly younger and black clientele.

Also, his record in the legislature for years was that of one that supported poor tenants and anti-discriminatory. Now, if you were a slumlord, you may have a big reason to have it out for Andy.

Anyway, you're reaching on this since its not analogous or germane. I know, I know, its the A-Democracy way.

I will remind you Eric Mayor Coleman was once on the city council before becoming Mayor. He supported these predatory housing code policy's and so did some of the dinosaurs on the city council

Who says they're predatory?
You and small few landlords. The courts disagreed with you. The voters also disagreed with you- which brings us to this:

You throw around the citizens elected thing like it really means something. It would mean something if we didn't have an ignorant voting populous. AND, very few citizens vote in the city of Saint Paul.

Yeah, right. Everyone is wrong unless they vote like you say?
Well Bob, elections matter. More than your blog. You want in on the game, get yourself together and get in, or you'll just be an insignificant voice booing from the sideline, being drowned out by the crowd(voters).

You all have run Bill Dahn for council twice and Mayor. He announced right here that he'll run again. Sounds like you have your candidate.

I think it is important to let new readers know your stake in this Eric. Eric is the DFL Treasurer and campaign fund raiser.

Nope. Incorrect again. I'm the Secretary for the City DFL and the Senate District DFL I live in. Each of the campaigns have their own fundraiser and treasurer. You make it sound way more powerful or even fun than it really is.

have posted evidence here of numerous families being put on the streets without any due process of law other than code enforcement saying you are OUT. All because they were suspected of a crime or the neighbors didn't like them, and in most cases no criminal charges were brought against anyone.

Now, you're veering off into another direction. That has nothing to do with RICO which is only thing that I stand 100% opposite on you on. The few other stories are case by case and I have personally pushed for emergency housing for displaced families, and ID'ing racist and bigots who call the cops because too blacks or asians are together.

I like how your brain is unable to stick to one issue. Its all a conspiracy to you.

Then folks like Dawkins who was leading the charge to condemn innocent to the street has the nerve to publicly support a woman who had every intention of killing police officers and robbing banks! And instead of condemning her and her family to the streets like he did so many others he and his friends entrenched in the DFL party support her.

No. Dawkins lead the charge to force these absentee landlords to clean their act up. So far, no proof has come forward to prove anything otherwise.

The DFL supported her? I miss that memo. Andy supported his friend and was a character witness to her life in the past 20 years that he's known her. EVERYBODY thought of her as an average housewife, including those republicans in her neighborhood, some who are now running the district council. She was active in the DFL as a volunteer so of course some DFLers gave her some moral support.

If this is such an entrenched DFL town, why would the cops turn her in? Why would the prosecutors be so hard on her? Why did liberal California make her do hard time?

In other threads you and Bill Dahn accuse the cops as being DFL cops. Another individual accuse the courts of being corrupt. Yet, this women went to prison and no one is advocating she come back early, no matter what Bob writes.

Eric; 6:59 PM
Bob said...: Eric said;
Still not comprehending, are you? You're just going to twist the points to make yours.

My response;
Eric, anyone reading this can see this is what you are doing.

Eric said;
Has Andy Dawkins said anything about her coming back to St Paul? No

My response;
Of coarse not the babbling idiot didn't even want her to go to jail. I am confident he wants her to come back after all the support he gave her publicly. In his mind screw the police federations concerns. Folks like you Eric, and Dawkins want your little dfl activist police car bomber murderer to come back to Saint Paul.

Eric said;
Where are you getting he has a bias?

My response.
Real simple Eric for the second time. Dawkins sent his code enforcements goons out into neighborhoods to run poor folks and citizens with a family member who "may of" had behaviorial issues out of neighborhoods using building codes through condemnations of homes to do it. Then Dawkins turns around and not only welcomes his "brand of criminal", but publicly goes out of his way to defend her. Even flew out to California to give lip service for Sara Jane.

Eric said;
He hasn't said a thing about her since long before he went to work at code enforcement. What policy do you see Dawkins supporting?

My response;
In Dawkins own words. "code to the max" That is what this city did to Nancy O., my friends on Butternut and many many other citizens.

Eric said;
Last I checked, he was private attorney working in another city. The last public thing he did was defend your friend Deb Johnson. I think he argued that to shut her down would be discriminatory because she played to a mostly younger and black clientele.

My response;
First of all Deb Johnson is not my friend. I gave her support because in my opinion she was being needlessly attacked by the Superman look alike Councilman Helgen. In fact Deb was seeking the Libertarian endorsement for a bid on the city council and I told my party not to endorse her. YOU KNOW THIS I SENT YOU AN EMAIL ABOUT IT! You are trying to deceive folks here suggesting she is my friend.

I previously said;
I think it is important to let new readers know your stake in this Eric. Eric is the DFL Treasurer and campaign fund raiser.

You responded;
Nope. Incorrect again. I'm the Secretary for the City DFL and the Senate District DFL I live in. Each of the campaigns have their own fundraiser and treasurer. You make it sound way more powerful or even fun than it really is.

My response;
Tell us Eric, weren't you once upon a time the treasurer and fund raiser for the dfl party. I remember reading this information months ago when I visited the dfl website. In fact I had actually sent links around to others when I found the information.

Here is another one of your appointments of interest. Land use Chapter Task Force Members
How bout that folks, Chuck Repke, Eric Mitchell and Chucks girlfriend are on this list.

I previously said;
have posted evidence here of numerous families being put on the streets without any due process of law other than code enforcement saying you are OUT. All because they were suspected of a crime or the neighbors didn't like them, and in most cases no criminal charges were brought against anyone.

Your reply;
Now, you're veering off into another direction. That has nothing to do with RICO which is only thing that I stand 100% opposite on you on. The few other stories are case by case and I have personally pushed for emergency housing for displaced families, and ID'ing racist and bigots who call the cops because too blacks or asians are together.

My response;
More than a few stories Eric. Also if you have pushed for emergency housing and it is being used, it must be for special cases because women and children are still being put on the street with no place to go.

I previously said;
Then folks like Dawkins who was leading the charge to condemn innocent to the street has the nerve to publicly support a woman who had every intention of killing police officers and robbing banks! And instead of condemning her and her family to the streets like he did so many others he and his friends entrenched in the DFL party support her.

Your reply;
No. Dawkins lead the charge to force these absentee landlords to clean their act up. So far, no proof has come forward to prove anything otherwise.

My response;
No, Dawkins lead the charge to get into the inside of citizens homes and he didn't care if they were landlords or private citizens. His objective was to bring property values up and rid the city of citizens he and others deemed undesirable.

Eric said;
The DFL supported her? I miss that memo. Andy supported his friend and was a character witness to her life in the past 20 years that he's known her. EVERYBODY thought of her as an average housewife, including those republicans in her neighborhood, some who are now running the district council. She was active in the DFL as a volunteer so of course some DFLers gave her some moral support.

My response;
More proof of the double standard Eric. Why didn't the entrenched dflers at Saint Paul Issues and Forums give Nancy O. support? She was in recovery and they couldn't wait to get her home torn down. And by George Nancy didn't kill anyone, Nancy didn't plant bombs under police cars. Your friends in the dfl party pick and choose who is desirable to live in the city and who isn't. Your friends believe a police car bomber is more desirable than a simple low level drug dealer.

Eric said;
If this is such an entrenched DFL town, why would the cops turn her in?

My response;
DAH! Sara Jane is a POLICE CAR BOMBER! She wanted to kill police officers.

Eric said;
Why would the prosecutors be so hard on her? Why did liberal California make her do hard time?

My response;
HARD TIME. Tell that to the victims of the SLA. She got off real easy!

Eric said;
In other threads you and Bill Dahn accuse the cops as being DFL cops.

My response;
I have never said Saint Paul has a dfl police department. I am sure there is Republican, Democrat and who knows what other kind of political affiliations in the police department.

Eric said;
Another individual accuse the courts of being corrupt.

My response;
No I posted evidence the housing courts have been corrupted.

Eric said;
Yet, this women went to prison and no one is advocating she come back early, no matter what Bob writes.

My response;
I never said anyone was advocating she come back early. Eric, I stand with the Saint Paul Police department on this one! You stand next to your friends who support a police car bombing murderer.

I SAVED THIS FOR LAST

Eric said;
You all have run Bill Dahn for council twice and Mayor.
My response;
Another bold face LIE! I have NEVER used this forum to support Bill Dahn for an election. And you know it! Show the readers here you aren't full of shit and post my endorsements of Bill, Eric.

Eric said;
He (Bill Dahn)announced right here that he'll run again. Sounds like you have your candidate.

My response;
And so did John Krenik Jr. announce his Dad was running for Mayor here at A Democracy.

Your point?; 10:19 AM
Anonymous said...: Isn't Eric saying anything to obscure the truth?

It's verbal pollution if the facts don't back it up.; 11:50 AM
Anonymous said...: OK. I forget I'm not working with the 'best and brightest' with this group.

Bob lied:
I never said anyone was advocating she come back early. Eric, I stand with the Saint Paul Police department on this one! You stand next to your friends who support a police car bombing murderer.

The SPPF President whom they interviewed, Dave Titus, happened to be an acquaintance of mine. Call him, and find out if he believes that about me.

You say that about me. Yet, I was clear on THIS thread where I stand. Your reading is getting bad in your old age.

At 10:51, I said:
For the record, I don't know her and she was on her way to prison when I moved here. Her family has the means I think they should move out to Cali with her for her probation

Dave Titus, President of the Police Federation said:
"When Soliah has paid her entire debt to California, then and only then, should she be allowed to live where she chooses.

To anyone who can beyond the fourth grade level, we - the cops and myself, are still on the same page.

It also looks like you have a habit of ignoring what people actually said, or did and throw in how you 'know' what their intent was:

Andy Dawkins one time "gestapo housing code enforcement guru" proudly defended her publicly, and this is a man who believed anyone who is a criminal had no right to housing in Saint Paul.

He also publicly defended Deb Johnson, former owner of Diva's. Who's place got into CODE TROUBLE and he was the head. All of your supporters accused her of running and thug joint, it was ANDY who stood up for her against the city.

ANDY DAWKINS WOULD HAVE HIS EX-CRIMINAL FRIENDS LIVE IN SAINT PAUL BUT WHEN IT COMES TO CITIZENS LIVING IN LOW INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS who may even be associated with a criminal, well they have got to go.

Though, he was a public defender for many of these low income people, lived in the neighborhoods with them (unlike the landlords you defend when they throw you a couple of scraps off their table), and at the legislator was one of the few friends of the poor. It doesn't make sense to no one but a person who beleives in conspiracy and that the facts can lie.

I am confident he wants her to come back after all the support he gave her publicly. In his mind screw the police federations concerns. Folks like you Eric, and Dawkins want your little dfl activist police car bomber murderer to come back to Saint Paul.

You know for a fact he believes this? It doesn't matter that the choices he made in life beg to differ.

Oh yeah, remember at the beginning when you said this:
I never said anyone was advocating she come back early. Eric, I stand with the Saint Paul Police department on this one! You stand next to your friends who support a police car bombing murderer.

Kinda kicked yourself around on that one.

Stand down Bob, you're loosing this one.

Eric; 5:01 PM
Anonymous said...: Tell us Eric, weren't you once upon a time the treasurer and fund raiser for the dfl party. I remember reading this information months ago when I visited the dfl website. In fact I had actually sent links around to others when I found the information.

I have never been the treasurer for the city dfl, or any dfl unit. Its a headache that I don't need. I was fund raiser a few years back for the city party. So what? We threw three fund raisers that year, just enough to pay for sample ballots.

I just told you, I hold the office of Secretary for the Saint Paul DFL. It's my second term in that office.

Here is another one of your appointments of interest. Land use Chapter Task Force Members
How bout that folks, Chuck Repke, Eric Mitchell and Chucks girlfriend are on this list.

So what? That's a public committee. All of us have some public land use decision making experience. That particular task force though, I can tell you I didn't get a chance to serve on. It fell on a Wednesday evening and my wife had a standing commitment so, I was home with the boys. Later, I had conference call updates from around the region at that time. So I never got to actually serve. After Wednesdays were free, I felt that I didn't participate enough in the process to vote on anything.

So, I never participated with this.

Bob, lots of things go on in this town that one only has to show up for or ask to be a part of. Its no great conspiracy and helluva connections. Its just showing up and asking.

Eric; 5:13 PM
Anonymous said...: "No. Dawkins lead the charge to force these absentee landlords to clean their act up. So far, no proof has come forward to prove anything otherwise"

Cleaning up the properites was just the front they used to advance their illegal agenda and civil right violations. There was a time when they could have paid with juist money. Now they are going to pay with money and their political reputations.; 5:55 PM
Anonymous said...: Hey Bob?....where do I throw them there scraps so you can find them?; 6:05 PM
Anonymous said...: If the cops don't like the warm reception this murderer is getting, maybe they should think twice before they endorse another stinking Democrat candidate for office.

Until they wake up, they can go squirt tears on Andy Dawkins shoulders.; 1:46 AM
Bob said...: Eric said speaking of Andy Dawkins;
He also publicly defended Deb Johnson, former owner of Diva's. Who's place got into CODE TROUBLE and he was the head.

My response;
NOBODY here but you believes this. Most of us think Andy set out to screw Deb Johnson over from the beginning.

Eric said;
All of your supporters accused her of running and thug joint, it was ANDY who stood up for her against the city.

My response;
Eric you know this isn't true. The majority here fought for Deb Johnson's right to operate her business. We organized a protest for her and over 50 citizens from this list participated.; 8:18 AM
Anonymous said...: Swiftee said...
If the cops don't like the warm reception this murderer is getting, maybe they should think twice before they endorse another stinking Democrat candidate for office.

Wrong again.
Most of candidates they endorse are Republicans.

I don't get it. I don't get why they endorse candidates that push for budget cuts that eliminate their jobs and resources.
---------

Bob,
Andy took it upon himself to represent Deb Johnson against the code violations that shut her down.

Eric; 10:13 AM
Anonymous said...: He also made some reamrks that the city was picking on her because she had black customers, but the city doesn't do that tyope of stuff do they Eric?; 9:45 PM
Bob said...: Very interesting comments over at SPIF on this subject. I pasted a couple here.

From: Eric Mitchell Date: Mar 15 16:40 UTC Short link

One of the biggest lies we tell ourselves in this country is that once you
serve your time, you're free to start over. That's B.S.
Unless you don't need to fill out a job application, housing rental form, bank
loan application, school admission form, any kind of professional license, or
even a permission slip to participate as a chaperone to your child's field
trip. I have worked with, befriended some and am related to others who are in
this situation or had to deal with this situation in the past.

None of them are in their situation for something as serious as murder, or
conspiracy to commit murder. All are done serving their time or probation. The
thing they have in common when I think about them, is they are really trying to
move in. They live in here, rural MN, Chicago, Kansas, and DC. Its just plain
tough. Especially if you are without means, status or education.

Soliah escaped that during the years it would have mattered most. While raising
a family. She had the luxury of marrying a doctor and playing Betty Crocker
Housewife. Being there for her children as they came home from school and being
supportive- instead of serving time for the crimes she freely committed. She
got a light sentence because of the time passed, who her friends and attorney
are, her class and status, and now she wants preferential treatment. No, she
beleives, she deserves some kind of preferential treatment.

Until she is off-paper, meaning not having to check with a parole officer and
completly from under the system, she is still California's problem. Her kids
are adults and her husband able enough, they should move out there until she's
finish serving her probabtion period. I don't care if she's 83.

This is the same position I would be supporting if she was an old white guy
convicted of conspiracy to bomb a black church 40 years ago. How many of you
defenders of Soliah can say the same?

Eric Mitchell
Phalen

From: Jeanne Weigum Date: Mar 15 20:51 UTC Short link

> When was the last time a person convicted of murder been released under
> parole to live in Minnesota or St.Paul?

I don't know how long it has been, but you are so right. It happens. Most
people who go to prison do come out. That is one of several good reasons to
try to make prisons a place where people can become more pro-social and more
able to cope. For your typical releasee to be successful when coming out of
prison they need employment, stable housing, social support, interesting
activities, and quite possibly supportive counseling. In general we have
not done real well on any of these fronts. Our legislature has made it more
and more difficult for people with felonies on their record to get jobs.
Without that critical job, not much good can come. If we are really serious
about protecting ourselves from "those people", we need to give a hand up.

Ya. I know they probably don't deserve it. But we do.

Jeanne Weigum
loving a sunny pre-spring day in Merriam Park; 12:14 PM
Anonymous said...: Bob,
What are trying to do to me?

Eric; 3:09 PM
Bob said...: I'm not trying to do anything to you Eric. I thought your statement was very interesting.

Now Jeanne Weigum has won my heart over some. Nice to know I have good neighbors.; 8:12 PM
Anonymous said...: Jeanne is right. I agreed with her. My point is, the reality is it doesn't happen and people who are not white and wealthy have to go out and work and cannot. They cannot get a a loan, college admissions or chaperone a school trip with their kid because of this.

She skipped out on that. She was 'privileged' that she got to raise her family in comfort and be there for them while the average person would have been in prison away from their family, unable to provide that lifestyle hers were raised in. When she was found, they tried to get her privileged ruling, then sentence, then parole. In this particular case- I say no.

that's it.
Eric; 10:44 AM
Anonymous said...: For once I agree with you Eric. Are we making progress?; 10:55 PM
Bob said...: From the bowels of Saint Paul Issues and Forums.

From: Charlie Swope Date: Mar 17 18:40 UTC Short link

Casting this issue as whether one "hates" Sara and wants her left in
California or whether one is compassionate and wants her to be accommodated by
allowing her to return to Minnesota is unfair. I don't hate this woman and I
don't really care whether she serves her parole in Minnesota or California. But
I do understand why policemen and others believe she hasn't really paid for her
crimes and why she shouldn't be welcomed here or anywhere else as a returning
hero or some sort of victim herself (as she is likely to be).

This woman is responsible for the attempted murder of policemen and the actual
murder of a completely innocent woman during a bank robbery. Then, there's her
participation in the kidnapping of Patty Hearst. How many poor, Black people
involved in crimes of that magnitude would be seeing the light of day after
seven years in prison. This case ought to be seen for what it is; an example of
the disparities in our criminal justice system. That's what has stirred people
with respect to this issue, not a lack of compassion or "religious" values
(whatever that means).

From: steve scholl Date: Mar 17 19:19 UTC Short link

This case ought to be seen for what it is; an example of the disparities in our
criminal justice system. That's what has stirred people with respect to this
issue, not a lack of compassion or "religious" values (whatever that means).

another home run for chalie swope.

what is all that mishegoss about religion and compassion? that pitch had
nothing on it, but someone else could have easily been off-balance and missed
it. charlie kept his eye on it and smacked another one over the fence of
hperbole.

...she was treated too leniently considering the magnitude of the crimes she
participated in...

... suspicion that she'll be treated like a returning hero by some people here
instead of the convicted felon she is.

how many days after she is back 'home' will it be before driscoll has 'our
little terrorist' on the radio?

steve scholl
highland; 10:19 PM
Bob said...: Another comment from the bowels of Saint Paul Issues and Forums.

Eric, this comment sums up the title of this post. You DFLers asked for this shit.

From: Gary Fischbach Date: Mar 17 19:59 UTC Short link

Yes, she got an easier sentance because of her political and social status and
everyone is making a big deal about it too because of her political and social
status.

If Andy Dawkins and his DFL buddies woudn't have made such a deal about this
when she was outed and on trial, these paybacks wouldn't have been such a b_
tch. If this were a Republican in the same situation, oh, the outcry.

The way the Star Tribune handled her story for the last 10 years was so
precious I could puke!

I live about a mile from her home, that is if she decides to live there. She
did her time and can come home. I got no problem with that. Get over this story
folks and let us in Highland get back to living our lives.

But remember, she was put up on a pedestal by the neighborhood DFL and the Star
Tribune. So, actions have consequences, both for her and her fan club.; 10:23 PM
Anonymous said...: Eric, this comment sums up the title of this post. You DFLers asked for this shit.

Bob
You might remember I'm a DFLer. As a matter of fact, a party officer as you like to point out. Your comment above doesn't hold water.

You will also note that you agree with Swope and Wiegum on this. Two DFLers. Chuck also made comments close to Wiegum's on that same thread.

You're smacking yourself with your own arm. DFLers are on the record, and you agree with most of what they are writing. You know who hasn't come out and said anything? Andy Dawkins. You put words and thoughts to him on this.

I also notice that you just can't stay away from SPIF. I don't think I ever saw anything from here posted over there. You seem to care more about them than they do about you.

Eric; 12:25 AM
Bob said...: Listen Eric, I hope you get IT this time. Dawkins was condemning home owners in Saint Paul to the streets using housing code enforcement. Citizens Dawkins STUPID ASS considered bottom of the barrel. Then this dumb fuck DFLer Dawkins comes out and supports one of the worst criminals this city has ever seen. THAT IS MY POINT. DOUBLE STANDARD!

Dawkins criminal friends are welcome here. Just like in the
30's when criminals were welcome here if they payed out moneys to city officials. Sara Janes payment was to the DFL party in the form of activism for your party's causes Eric.

Need I remind you Dawkins was part of the driving force that lead to the demise of friends of mine he had condemened out of their home. I'd like to SPIT in his FACE.

Eric said;
I also notice that you just can't stay away from SPIF.

My response;
I enjoy reading SPIF. I get a lot of information there. It is important to keep up on what is going on locally. When I read there it is more like a recon mission. Why don't you stay away from Hannity Eric?

Eric said;
I don't think I ever saw anything from here posted over there.

My response;
You don't read SPIF very often do you. Nancy and others have linked storys from here to SPIF many times.

Eric said;
You seem to care more about them than they do about you.

My response;
What a STUPID statement. I like many of the DFLers who post at SPIF. I don't agree with all of their positions in politics but they are nice people and I keep in touch with some of them.; 9:26 AM
Anonymous said...: So Bob, what you're saying is that Eric "spends" so much time defending the City and "expends" so much time defending it and those who "run" it is because he has a stake in it. It may feed and house him, so he is actually like a vulture who after being fed on the carnage of the "not so fortunate", he then will claw and scratch to defend for his "almighty god that he bows down to?; 7:58 AM
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