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507 DALE ST N -- Property Information --
Pin Number Zoning/Use HPC District
352923140206 TN2 / N-Church/Synagogue/Temple -
Vacant Building Category 2
Information disclaimer...
Data Disclaimer:-
The City of Saint Paul and its officials, officers, employees or agents does not warrant the accuracy, reliability
or timeliness of any information published by this system, and shall not be held liable for any losses caused by
reliance on the accuracy, reliability or timeliness of such information. Portions of such information may be
incorrect or not current. Any person or entity that relies on any information obtained from this system does so
at his or her own risk.
List of Activity...
NumberAddressDescription Details Status
08 219176
000 00 CO
507 DALE
ST N
352923140206
11-29-01
BUILDING
PERMIT # 01-
237901 ISSUED
TO PROVIDE
SECOND EXIT
OUT OF
BASEMENT AT
ROCK OF AGES
CHURCH.
Certificate of Occupancy
Type: Assembly
Occupancy Type: Church/Chapel
Residential Units: 0
Renewal Due Date: Dec 10, 2008
Revoked/Vacant
08 123689
VB2 00 VB
507 DALE
ST N
Vacant Building
Monitoring
VB Event Log:
07/30/2008: New Category 2 - Commercial
10/01/2008: VB FEE PAID. PERMITS OK THRU
07/30/2009
12/10/2008: C of O Team Inspection Completed
02/12/2009: No permits can be issued unless
approved by VB staff
Active/Issued
08 123688
VAC 00 CS
507 DALE
ST N
Vacant Building
Monitoring
Complaint Date: 07/30/2008
Initial Inspection: 07/29/2008
VB Category 2 - Commercial
Next Inspection on or after: 03/13/2009
Inspector: 352
Inspection Results (most recent first):
02/20/2009: VB Monitoring (Recheck)
02/02/2009: VB Monitoring (Recheck)
01/09/2009: VB Monitoring (Recheck)
11/20/2008: VB Monitoring (Recheck)
09/12/2008: VB Monitoring (Recheck)
07/29/2008: VB Monitoring (Recheck)
Under Review
05 085746
000 00 RF
507 DALE
ST N
Follow up on C
of O folder
approved with
Referral
Type: C of O
Entered on: 04/06/2005
Closed
Permit Online Page 1 of 5
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corrections. Closed on: 04/25/2005
05 085745
000 00 CO
507 DALE
ST N
352923140206
11-29-01
BUILDING
PERMIT # 01-
237901 ISSUED
TO PROVIDE
SECOND EXIT
OUT OF
BASEMENT AT
ROCK OF AGES
CHURCH.
Certificate of Occupancy
Type: Assembly
Occupancy Type: Church/Chapel
Completed on: 12/10/2008
Inspection Results (most recent first):
12/10/2008: Completed
12/10/2008: Not Applicable
12/10/2008: Completed
12/04/2008: Completed
12/04/2008: Completed
11/26/2008: Not Applicable
09/03/2008: Not Applicable
09/03/2008: Ready for Team Inspection
07/28/2008: Revoked/Vacant - 2
04/29/2008: Revoked/Unoccupied
01/28/2008: Revoked/Unoccupied
10/31/2007: Revoked/Unoccupied
10/24/2007: No Entry (no fee)
09/17/2007: No Entry (no fee)
08/07/2007: Correction Orders
07/09/2007: Correction Orders
06/12/2007: No Entry (no fee)
05/02/2007: No Entry (no fee)
03/15/2007: Correction Orders
Revoked/Vacant
03 333346
PLB 00 PG
507 DALE
ST N
27-Oct-2005:
Folder closed by
system due to
no activity in
one year .
Closed without
final approval
Plumbing/Gasfitting/Inside Water Piping
Type: Plumbing/Inside Water (All) Commercial
Replace
Issued Date: 07/29/2003
Final Date: 10/27/2005
Contractor: Bruce Nelson Plbg & Htg Service Inc
Estimated Value: $2,000.00
Activity (most recent first):
MAIN-Plumbing Inspection: 10/27/2005: Permit
Closed
10/01/2003: Citation Issued
07/30/2003: Corrections Required
Closed without
Approval
03 328131
000 00 CO
507 DALE
ST N
352923140206
11-29-01
BUILDING
PERMIT # 01-
237901 ISSUED
TO PROVIDE
SECOND EXIT
OUT OF
BASEMENT AT
ROCK OF AGES
CHURCH.
Certificate of Occupancy
Type: Assembly
Occupancy Type: Church/Chapel
Completed on: 04/06/2005
Paid In Full = Yes
Inspection Results (most recent first):
04/06/2005: Approved w/Corrections
1. BASEMENT: Fueled Equipment Storage MSFC
315.2.5 (Abated - 2nd reinspection) - Severity 9
2. BASEMENT HALL/REAR: Emergency Lighting
Required MSFC 1010.5 (Abated - 2nd reinspection) -
Severity 7
Certified
Permit Online Page 2 of 5
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3. BASEMENT/KITCHEN: Remove Unapproved Exit
Sign MSFC 1010.1, 1003.2.10 (Abated - 2nd
reinspection) - Severity 5
4. BASEMENT/REAR: Exit Obstruction MSFC 1011.2
(Abated - 2nd reinspection) - Severity 4
5. SHARED EXIT: Stair/deck Not Structurally Sound
SPLC 34.09 (2) 34.32 (2) (Deficiency - 2nd
reinspection) - Severity 7
03/02/2005: Correction Orders
02 103542
000 00 CO
507 DALE
ST N
30 DAY 8/25/03
60 DAY 9/22/03
11-29-01
BUILDING
PERMIT # 01-
237901 ISSUED
TO PROVIDE
SECOND EXIT
OUT OF
BASEMENT AT
ROCK OF AGES
CHURCH.
Certificate of Occupancy
Type: Assembly
Occupancy Type: Church/Chapel
Completed on: 07/17/2003
Paid In Full = Yes
Inspection Results (most recent first):
07/17/2003: Approved
1. Door Swing Improper >50 MSFC 1010.1,
1003.3.1.2 (Abated - 3rd reinspection) - Severity 5
2. Provide Unlock Sign MSFC 1010.1, 1003.3.1.8
(Abated - 3rd reinspection)
3. Unapproved Locks MSFC 1003.3.1.8 as amended
(Abated - 3rd reinspection) - Severity 9
4. Fire Extinguisher Service MSFC 901.6 (Abated -
3rd reinspection) - Severity 4
5. No Interior Handrail SPLC 34.10 (3), 34.33(2)
(Abated - 3rd reinspection) - Severity 5
6. Repair Interior Walls SPLC 34.10 (7), 34.33 (6)
(Abated - 3rd reinspection) - Severity 4
05/12/2003: Correction Orders
03/11/2003: Correction Orders
History
01 237901
REM 00 B
507 DALE
ST N
08-Aug-2003:
FOLDER CLOSED
BY SYSTEM DUE
TO NO ACTIVITY
IN ONE YEAR. .
Closed without
final approval
Building Permit
Type: Institutional Remodel
Issued Date: 11/29/2001
Final Date: 08/08/2003
Contractor: Reiling Construction
State Valuation: $4,000.00
Activity (most recent first):
Architectural (C) Review: 11/29/2001: Preliminary
Plan Check
11/29/2001: Approved
Closed without
Approval
00 011693
000 00 CO
507 DALE
ST N
352923140206 Certificate of Occupancy
Type: Assembly
Occupancy Type:
Completed on: 12/30/1999
12/30/1999: LTR4 LTR4
11/17/1999: CRNP CRNP
09/24/1999: LTR4 LTR4
08/10/1999: CRNP CRNP
06/22/1999: LTR4 LTR4
06/19/1999: LTR4 LTR4
05/28/1999: CRNP CRNP
05/11/1999: LTR3 LTR3
05/07/1999: LTR3 LTR3
04/21/1999: CRNP CRNP
History
Move
Top
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11/16/1998: CRNP CRNP
11/13/1998: LTR4 LTR4
10/29/1998: CRNP CRNP
10/07/1998: LTR4 LTR4
09/22/1998: CRNP CRNP
09/01/1998: LTR3 LTR3
06/04/1998: CRLP CRLP
02/28/1995: LTR1 LTR1
02/27/1995: CFOP CFOP
02/24/1995: PAID PAID
01/20/1995: INV1 INV1
12/15/1994: INV1 INV1
12/01/1994: CRNP CRNP
11/15/1994: LTR3 LTR3
10/11/1994: CRLP CRLP
03/31/1992: CFOP CFOP
03/30/1992: PAID PAID
02/27/2001: CRNP CRNP
02/23/2001: LTR4 LTR4
12/13/2000: CRNP CRNP
10/27/2000: LTR3 LTR3
09/13/2000: LTR2 LTR2
08/16/2000: CRLP CRLP
07/07/2000: LTR1 LTR1
07/06/2000: CFOP CFOP
07/05/2000: PAID PAID
06/08/2000: LTR5 LTR5
06/06/2000: INV1 INV1
05/18/2000: CRNP CRNP
02/11/2000: LTR9 LTR9
01/03/2000: CRNP CRNP
00 001694
000 00 CO
507 DALE
ST N
352923140206
11-29-01
BUILDING
PERMIT # 01-
237901 ISSUED
TO PROVIDE
SECOND EXIT
OUT OF
BASEMENT AT
ROCK OF AGES
Certificate of Occupancy
Type: Assembly
Occupancy Type: Church/Chapel
Completed on: 03/07/2002
Paid In Full = Yes
Inspection Results (most recent first):
03/07/2002: Approved
1. 1: Data Conversion (Abated - 5th reinspection)
2. 3: Data Conversion (Abated - 5th reinspection)
History
Permit Online Page 4 of 5
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CHURCH. 3. 4: Data Conversion (Abated - 5th reinspection)
01/28/2002: Correction Orders
01/14/2002: No Entry (no fee)
07/31/2001: Correction Orders
05/09/2001: Correction Orders
1. 2: Data Conversion (Abated - 1st inspection)
02/21/2001: Correction Orders
1. 1: Data Conversion (Deficiency - 1st inspection)
2. 2: Data Conversion (Deficiency - 1st inspection)
3. 3: Data Conversion (Deficiency - 1st inspection)
4. 4: Data Conversion (Deficiency - 1st inspection)
10/25/2000: Correction Orders
1. 1: Data Conversion (Deficiency - 1st inspection)
2. 2: Data Conversion (Deficiency - 1st inspection)
3. 3: Data Conversion (Deficiency - 1st inspection)
4. 4: Data Conversion (Deficiency - 1st inspection)
5. 5: Data Conversion (Deficiency - 1st inspection)
It's a beautiful church, I supose the city is making punishing demands to discourage renovation, so they can replace it with a multiplex.
What next?.........now the city is cutting itself in on the "Tithe?" Pretty sad state of affairs when they rty to extort god!
Now the petty bureaucrats are starting to push the churches around. This is just the beginning. Their agendas will have blue stickers on a number of churches before too long. They won't work with common people, and I doubt they will work with churches either.
They will have their short notices, and ridiculous lists demanding churches spend all kinds of money.
The church is a significant historic landmark in Frogtown. Any one have any solutions on how to at least save the structure?
http://www.historicsaintpaul.org/newsroom/news/rock_ages_02_08
I should have posted this sooner.
Bob,
I just noticed the Rock of Ages Missionary Baptist Chuch on Dale Street near University Avenue has a blue sticker on its door.
As I recall, the church was listed last year as one of the most endangered historic structures in the state. Just looking at it, there is a serious safety issue, as the tiles are falling off the steeple onto the sidewalk.
It does raise some questions. Is the city making punitive code demands with a church in order to drive them out? Will the city work with the churches? Since a lot of churches are struggling, does this mean the city is now going to target churches?
I'd prefer you not use my name on this if you use it.
I don't think the city like Baptists!
This is where a lot of bitterness lies.
A sharp entrepreneur could see this church as a wedding chapel, place for memorial services, special events, fundraisers, classes, spiritual retreats, community events, etc.
They could piece together a package with other entrepreneurs, small congregations, and use the connected office building for upscale offices.
But here's the problem. They don't think St. Paul deserves it, and they don't want to work with predatory inspectors and the city groups. Most people with any smarts have moved on. Only one in ten of these things with any potential actually get developed.
The city council is following an inspector mindset of looking deeply at minute things, and claiming to see progress. What they miss seeing is exactly how much their predatory policies are costing the city in the big picture.
And it keeps getting worse.
Send in Repke and he'll get r done!
If most of these politicians are Jewish, why should they care about The Christians?
March on Christian Solders, Marching as to WAR.
We Shall Over Come!
8:28 sounds like Bill Dahn.
Its not just immigrants and blacks and gays that you don't like on ademocracy, is it? Jews too?
Is that you Billy Boy?
Hey at least they are still standing after 9 years of city repair orders, thats years more then most get.
How can Bob even say that the city is after the church when its compiled nine years of violations?
I swear the stupidest people in the county contribute to this blog.
I heard that the city is going to take the pews and install them in city hall. Then they will replace Onyx John by the erection of a giant organ (Thunes) and the true believers will kiss and pay homage to it.
Anonymous said...
How can Bob even say that the city is after the church when its compiled nine years of violations?
3:37 PM
My response;
ON THE FRONT PAGE, IT CLEARLY STATES THIS TOPIC IS A REQUEST. WHERE DID I STATE HERE THE CITY WAS AFTER THE CHURCH? I DIDN'T GIVE MY OPINION.
But I will NOW!
Last summer Grace Kelly put up a request for volunteers at Saint Paul Issues and Forums seeking help for a woman over by Swede Hollow to fix up her home. I thought this was a great thing a non-profit was here doing this kind of work. I thought about volunteering and I went over and looked at the home. It looked better than most homes the city is taking away from citizens. Sure the house needed work but, I believe the resources of this non-profit would have been better spent on a citizen who was in dire need! OR, a church like this.
Nobody helped Rita and Gary of 785 Butternut
fix their home. If someone had volunteered some help, and the city officials dealing with the issue of their home had a heart, Rita may have lived a few more years with her illness. And Gary certainly would not have committed suicide over the loss of Rita and his home at the same time.
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