Saint Paul/ Disputed Jesus statue stays for now
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24 Comments:
That's to bad that someone did a story on it, because now there will be that much more pressure to site the guy, to remove it within 30 days.
But, it will get him to waste money on a law suit.
The fact that a bolder, fell of the cliff not 1000 feet from there and destroyed a building will make this one a slam dunk for the City.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Bill Dahn said...
The Jews didn't wanted Jesus walking around 2000 years ago and is it the same now.
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Why is this Dave Thune???
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I Bill Dahn says one thing to St.Paul and that is
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"March On Christian Soldiers" >>> Marching as To WAR...!
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This seems to be a good person with a Statue of Jesus Christ His Savior in His Yard and either a Jew or Muslim is Discriminating or is there someone Discriminating against this Vietnam immigrant.
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I think I will start one
BIG PROTEST against the St.Paul Dictators
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We as People of the United State Have the Right to FREE Speech and FREE Expression and a Freedom to Worship The God of Our Choice.
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Let get some will known people here to stand up for the
Tuan Pham Family, and this will make St.Paul Government look like The SS Gestapo, and the SWAT Boys that are controlled by the TWO FACE St.Paul Mayor Chris Coleman.
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Is it OK for St.Paul to allow the building of the Sholom Stoke Recovery Home on Polluted land at the intersection by
W 7 th St. and Otto St.
in St.Paul.
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Shame on You Dave Thune for allowing the Union to control YOU, or is it the GREED of these DEMOCRATS that control St.Paul's Government.
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You all heard about the
WALL STREET PROTESTORS and this will get Nastier then that and give people like Bill Dahn a Platform to WIN the Attorney General Race in 2014.
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If I "Bill Dahn" received
103,000 Votes in 2010 for MN AG and only spent $80.00 on
2000 Business Card, think want I will do next time.
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I will take Donations and Win, we all know money talks and the election will bring out the Dirty Democratic Government that HAILS to their own swastika $$ aka (SS), was the main symbol of Nazism and remains strongly associated with Democrats in St.Paul Government.
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So is the St.Paul Mayor Hitler going to send some SWAT BOYS to my place in LAKELAND, MN. where he sent two last year for WHISTLE BLOWING about the Sholom Nursing Home built on that POLLUTED Land.
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1998 Democrat Ramsey County Attorney Susan Gaertner Covered up for Jesse Ventura going to Bill Dahn's home and intimidated
Bill Dahn to change to Republican from the Reform Party.
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Jesse Ventura is The Briber
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VInrXJVFggM
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IS THE HOLLY WAR STARTING HERE Next in "SAINT" Paul, Minnesota.
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WWW.BillDahn.COM
10:50 PM
Thune just posted this on his face book page:
For whoever might still be reading this page, I just sent a letter to the editor of the Tribune clarifying my recent statement re: the Jesus on the bluff issue.
I stated that no statues or structures are permitted within the protected bluffline and elaborated that it even didn't matter if they were religious or political figures. This is a safety issue. A ways down from this sculpture the bluff collapsed a short time after we settled this appeal. A business was destroyed by falling rock. Nature causes the limestone to peel away periodically. We don't want man-made structures to speed the process up and hurt someone.
c.r.
I think we outta seek the opinion of a geological engineer! Let the experts tell us this statues location isn't safe.
11:24 - the City has had a policy for more than 20 years that you can't build on the bluff line, there is nothing new about it and it is pretty standard through out the length of the Mississippi now.
One of the issue that people forget on these things is if cities don't put restrictions on things that may be unsafe, they are sued when things go wrong. You have to have a policy for all of the bluff line or you would have to actually do those kind of geo - tests and take out insurance to cover the cities liability and on and on and on... So, to protect your tax dollars the cities create a distant restriction that geo-tec type people have determined are reasonably safe.
Anything else that you see along the bluff pre-dates the zoning restrictions.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
I am not surprised the city didn't take any action until now. If they had Dave would surely of lost the election.
Readers are roasting Dave at the Tribune
This matter does not have to go into the courts. This matter does not have to go to the city council or any board.
The rule is 40 feet from the bluff.
Moving it back 40 feet and 1 inch will halt the issue . The statute will be just as visible.
I am for the city on this one to a degree. This guy is itching for a fight and the courts will uphold the mandate in the code in the interests of public safety and property.
There are alot of lawyers out there looking for work. A lawyer will work for a fee and he will get it if this guy tries to sue on this issue. But, nothing in the form of damages will be gained by suing the city. A noble cause though.
Jeff Matiatos
...and Jeff, he was told that before he built the statue. Build it 40 ft - 1 inch and you are fine.
He built it less than 10 feet.
The issue has never been what the statue is, because he has a yard full of statues and has a Jesus statue in his front yard. The issue is that he wants the press. He wants to have it look like the government is after him for having Jesus on the bluff.
And, Bob, Schanno spent $17,000 to get 344 votes campaigning against Thune with this as her issue. The far right religious fringe already show up to vote against Dave. They have been since he passed the gay rights ordinance.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
I suggest he put it up on a scaffold way high. There is no code saying how " high " it can go. Just make sure though, if your going to put it way up there, that you put a red beacon on the top of it's head so airplanes can avoid it LoL !!!
Jeff Matiatos
If the guy is dumb enough, he will complain to the lawyer and the lawyer will pat him on the back , ask him for a $5'000.00 retainer, use up the retainer to file the suit, summary judgment will occur, $5'000.00 will be consumed and summary judgment will be granted, end of case. Save your money for something else.
Jeff Matiatos
....and if he were to build it that high, the least he could do is to face it out so that everyone can see that its Jesus. The statue currently faces inward towards his house... so, he isn't making that much of a religious statement anyway.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
This isn't the first time we vented on this issue here. Some months ago Swiftee called for a circling of the wagons in support of this guy.
Since I have learned the facts on this issue, my opinion has changed some.
I believe this guy should have hired some kind of professional to get expert advice concerning safety issues. If the findings showed there was no danger in erecting this statue 10 feet from the bluff he could of taken this evidence before the city council and asked for a variance.
I too think the statue should over look the river.
I am still pondering that this issue was put on the back burner until after the elections. Schanno may have made issue of it, that isn't the same thing as the city taking action.
Easter Bunny made the national news, this subject has the potential to go national too.
The Department of Natural Resources says there is a 20-30 setback for structures 18 percent or steeper slope. This guy could argue that the city code exceeds by 10 feet, the difference from the DNR requirements.
I think there were issues here on the blog about the city enforcing housing codes in excess of the states requirements ?
I mean if the guy really wants to push the issue, he might gain an additional 20 feet.
Jeff Matiatos
Well, its defenitely steeper than an 18% slope. Its a 90% slope where he put that thing.
It is so close to the bluff's edge that if it fell over it would go over the edge of the bluff.
I doubt that the election had anything to do with it Bob. The issue was already out there an an effort had been made to exploit it for political purposes. Not that many people are like Swifty and Dahn and believe that the law shouldn't apply to someone just because they are waving Jesus in your face.
I think most people who follow the story gave up on this guy when "someone" tried to burn his marble statue in the middle of the night in a fenced in yard... which got him more press, but a lot of people thinking that it is all about press.
I am guessing that DSI is trying to figure out how they are going to abate it if the guy doesn't move it. There is no easy access to this thing and you may have to remove a fence and several other statues to get to it. It isn't that simple. So, now there is going to be more pressure on them to do something.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Would be better if we carve a sculpture of Jesus on the bluffs.
Kind of like Mount Rushmore.
Instead, we carved Lincoln's likeness and he was not for freeing the slaves like everyone thinks.
"Chuck" Your a taker and I "Bill Dahn" am a doer for the people.
My cousin Rick Marx and I built The JESUS DELIVERS TRUCK the Feeds people in need.
YOU, THUNE, Norm, Chris, Sandy Papass, and other Demorats think they can dictate life and now that asinine Goofy Governor Mark Dayton Wants to Unionize DAY CARE...!
"FLASH"
UNION NEED WORKER PAYING DUES.
HITLER Like People running the Government telling Us We Have to do as you say.
We the people of the United State are FREE thinking People, this is not Germany where a warped brain little ass hole alcoholic can be controlled by a UNION and call it Democracy.
If this JESUS CHRIST statue bother some people by seeing it, Don't LOOK.
WE have to put up we the Muslim people washing their feet in the toilets and sinks in Public Bathrooms.
But that's OK because they call it Religion.
Chuck You Know about the Sholom Nursing Home built on polluted Gasoline Soaked land and all the area around the KOCH Oil Company and EXXION MOBIL OIL Company shared a site with their Leaky storage tanks. But GREEDY KOCH wanted to make money off this land that soul have been cleaned up and not build a Stroke Recovery Home there.
Dose this mean that some one OK the property and it isn't fit for humans to live there 24/7 and workers in that building 8 hrs. a day.
St. Paul, Exxon Mobil complete deal to convert old oil tank farm into parkland and said that the land is unsafe for humans to live there...!
The 36 acres are part of a 65-acre parcel that had once been envisioned as Victoria Park, an 850-unit housing development.
Koch Mobil Site
The 65 acre site of the former fuel tank farms owned and operated by Mobil Oil and Koch Fuels
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Call Kim Warren 217-371-2696 at Exxon Mobil and ask him about this land that belonged to Them and Koch oil Company.
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Thank You all, just call
Kim Warren 217-371-2696 at Exxon Mobil
Bill is back to spamming the blog with off topic bullsnit. Bob please follow the rules and delete this garbage.
Hello
Jeff Matiatos
Can You call
Kim Warren 217-371-2696 at Exxon Mobil
That whole area has gasoline pockets under it and not just that 65 acres and ask about the test drilling done in that area.
Thank You Jeff.
Bill Dahn
The Minnesota Pollution Control Agency has jurisdiction over these matters as well as the Federal Pollution Control Agency.
City Planners, Department of Public Health workers, and contamination removal specialists all are involved supposedly to deal with contaminated sites.
When your dealing with petroleum sites, I believe those kinds of contaminations are included in the Minnesota Super Fund category.
If I were you, I would contact the MPCA at their 1-800-422-0798 environmental emergency to report your concerns.
There are lawyers that specialize in this area and alot of these issues are normally not resolved by general complaints.
Land studies and extensive soil samples are needed and then you have to try and determine just who is responcible and your likely to get alot of resistince from those who you accuse.
Jeff Matiatos
Bob, if your going to delete any of this, please wait until Bill sees my reply.
Thanks
Jeff Matiatos
What a citizen can do, is inquire with the MPCA to look at their findings on the site and then possibly see if the agencys findings are in conflict with State or Federal guidlines that require immediate action, and them file in the courts the proper cause of action to stop any construction or have the courts issue condemnation orders and relocate the senior citizens to safe locations.
That's what I would do.
Jeff Matiatos
Bill, call St.Paul Department of Safety and Inspections.
See if they can write up the site
on some code violations !!!
Chuck, check my comment on the St.Paul Fire settlement post.
Jeff Matiatos
Thank You All.
For Now The Statue of Jesus Christ will remain.
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