MAY 11, 2009 HEARING ON PROPOSAL TO ALLOW CITIES TO EXCEED STATE BUILDING CODE
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94 Comments:
This is nothing but a cover for the citys to keep using codes to address behavior issues and be able to throw people into the streets with no due process at all.
Why not just shoot everyone that city want out of their way or if they want the ir property.
Plant a gun by the body.
Three cheers for the city, lets re elect Chris Coleman.
He says he getting the trash out of town, are you trash.
If you think that just a landlord problems. Asked 500 homeowner that was throw out of their home.
because of power shute off.
They could not afford to fix their homes last summer.
It way for the city stop people from suing them and keep their power.
sue jeffers will be there
I suppose this hearing will include members of the legislature and the Governor that would have to approve of such a scam.
As it is now,the city has no authority to exempt or alter itself from " State Building Code ".
They could possibly re-write their city building code, but not state building code.
Good luck ! It won't happen.
Write to you Representatives today or Forever Hold Your Peace!
This may be decided tomorrow.
Be sure to link them this blog so that they are clear on how you think so highly of the work that they do.
Or, rally behind Nancy Lazaryan again. Of course she has been kicked out and banned from the Capitol now. Republicans thought she was normal until the met her, now their spokes person is quoted saying the she is clearly mentally disturbed.
This probably won't go to the floor until next year since the session is scheduled to end in a week.
No one from ADemocracy has the credibility to approach anyone about this. You have the right to do it of course but, know that your words of the politicians all being corrupt as well as the judges and especially the DFL coupled with Nancy Lazaryan being the last person you sent to the capitol, your words will fall on deaf ears.
The victims of this so far are the shitty landlords. In three years, and an entire federal court hearing, you failed to produce the names of any of the "500" you claim. Minorities and the poor are still taking some of these landlords to court to fix their damn property.
Its over, you will now have to take care of your property if you want to go into the rental business in Minnesota. Just like Wisconsin, North Dakota and South Dakota.
You've had it far too easy for far too long.
Eric
"In three years, and an entire federal court hearing, you failed to produce the names of any of the "500" you claim."
Names of what 500? What's this about? 500 what?
I don't remember anyone here sending Nancy L anywhere. Bob threw her ass out of here cause she's a kook. How does that qualify sending her anywhere?
Her notoriety is no more. She played it out and people are no longer interested in her. She's a 2 bit hustler looking for a spot in the sun.
Boy, all the spin artists are spinning on this one - must be important!
Just like Don Luna and the BRIGES BUILDING SITE, MORE FRAUD.
Don Luna will be up on charges for the signing of documents.
That Ice Rink. the DFL are just Crooks in Sheep's Clothing.
Mr. Chris "Hitler" Coleman trying to take over the land call St.Paul MN.
Bill, sign your stuff. Be a man and stand behind what you say.
Eric said;
No one from ADemocracy has the credibility to approach anyone about this. You have the right to do it of course but, know that your words of the politicians all being corrupt as well as the judges and especially the DFL coupled with Nancy Lazaryan being the last person you sent to the capitol, your words will fall on deaf ears
My response;
Eric get your head out of your ASSYou know damn well NOBODY
from """ A DEMOCRACY""" sent NANCY to the capitol.
Tommy Boy,
For a nobody empty suit, you sure have your frilly panties up in a bunch. Try a bigger size and don't pick a fight with the big dog.
If you use code enforcement to go after me, or anyone you don't agree with, you are just as corrupt as those you accuse of being so. Not to mention, that you blow your case- yet again. Especially when the likes of Chuck, Thune and myself can walk into the courtroom and testify that we have dealt with code enforcement because someone complains. It further supports the city position that no one is targeted as it is a COMPLAINT based system. You kind of make our point for us, ya damn idiot.
I live in my own home. These landlords are suing over the condition of the rental property they own. Their businesses.
If we want to start posting information about their private homes, I'm all for it as I know for a fact that some of the burbs they live in are much more strict on code enforcement. We also can be sure that their private home is in better shape than their rental property, which could also be entered as evidence that they do know the difference.
Tommy Boy, anything they find on my house, I can pay for and upgrade. I work. I save. It will only improve the value of our property here.
Oh and Tommy Boy, a lot of people want to see guys like you get what you got coming to them. You may think those calls are anonymous. (Hmmm, slumlord sympathizer who is suing and spewing about the corruption of code enforcement, has friend call in on person who supports code enforcement and city employees. I wonder what would happen?) I'll be sure to pull every string I can to find out where the complaint came from. Just so I can say thanks of course. I appreciate active citizens looking out for the betterment of society.
Its pissant or piss-ant.
Eric
So let me get your logic straight Anonymous 11:00am:
You have read the appeals, something only a few has, and now equipped with this info, you say I'm an idiot?
Tell us, which landlords are being targeted and what is the reason, which should clearly be stated in the appeal, the city is targeting this 1% of landlords?
Eric
Bob,
You gave Nancy a supportive forum here.
She gave you a bogus release and exaggerated situation and you printed it without thought. I personally came on and gave reason after reason what she said was not so, and you chose to only print her version of what's going to happen. Of course the other legal beagle Jeff, was backing her so what choice did you have?
It was February 21, 2009 you printed her BS right front and center:
http://tinyurl.com/ql84qb
It was titled:
"Minnesota Legislators to discipline judges."
53 comments. You don't remember this?
Aside from the sidebar discussions, I remember saying that this is nothing but Nancy grandstanding and seeing things in the law that 201 legislators and 100 judges missed every year for 40 years.
I remember being told by several that Chuck and I were jealous because Nancy get things done.
I also remember two weeks ago, Nancy Lazaryan still hadn't had a hearing and was being dragged out of the Capitol by the police and given an order to stay away. I remember the Republican Communications Director writing that she was obviously mentally disturbed.
Such short memories.
Eric
Eric re: HF2362 Put your money where your mouth is Apparantly the Bill was removed from hearing today, Further Nancy left the blog on her own accord, Estopp slandering persons with false info
http://sharon4council.blogspot.com
Briefs served on the State of MN for Consideration to Joe ATkin and
others
So which Pipe Fitter authored HF2362http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/members/members.asp?leg_id=10394
removed from Commerce hearing today
Slander would have to include something false, not something you don't agree with.
Nancy lied on her press release.
Her 'ad-hoc' committee never met.
The purpose of the proposed meeting was not as SHE stated in her poorly written release.
She was arrested and removed from the capitol two weeks ago.
She was dragged out, while screaming about being a journalist and her rights.
The Communications Director for the the Republican Caucus sent out a notice how she disrupted the morning and was clearly mentally disabled.
Nancy Lazaryan has once again accomplished nothing except to make a victim out of herself. Just like she did at city hall, county building and now the state capitol. She chooses the hard route to feed her need for attention.
You're also wrong on my friends bill, that's listed in the current topic. I stated that a new bill being introduced during the last week of session of a budget year, will probably not be voted on this year.
You got any links for that? You seem to have them for everything else.
Eric
Sharon,
I don't expect you to grasp legislative procedures, I really don't.
I'm bored so I'll play for a while.
Tim's bill was pending in Commerce and Labor until it was referred from the Labor and Consumer Protection Division. That was this morning. The bill is back on the agenda at Commerce and Labor scheduled to meet at 4:30 today.
What? No link? You're off your game today.
Eric
Never underestimate the citizens
underground of forensic research
Yes http://wdoc.house.leg.state.mn.us/leg/LS86/HF2362.0.pdf
as sent to revisor 4May09
Legislator_Pipe Fitter may have vested interests?
Sorry your bored.http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/comm/committee.asp?comm=
MONDAY, May 11, 2009
10:00 AM
*** Note: *** Change in meeting room
Room: 10 State Office Building
Chair: Rep. Joe Atkins
*** Note: *** Change in Agenda
Bill(s) Removed
Agenda: HF631 (Kahn) State Lottery authorized to offer games involving sports wagering and sports wagering pools, sports bookmaking authorized under licenses issued by the director of the State Lottery, licensed sports bookmaking tax imposed, and a Minnesota active recreation fund created. (Informational only)
HF2112 (Atkins) Congress of the United States memorialized to oppose enactment of legislation of the substance and tenor of the National Insurance Act of 2007.
Bill Added:
HF2362 (Mahoney) State Building Code preemption exemption created in certain cases, and advisory committee established. (Pending referral from the Labor & Consumer Protection Division)
Bill Removed:
HF2370 (Garofalo) Federal internet gambling investigations and enforcement prohibited without prior legislative approval. (Informational only)
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Can't waste anymore time trying to educate you? Bye Boring
Apparantly Eric has an inside straight on legislation
https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/revisor/pages/search_status/status_detail.php?b=House&f=HF2362&ssn=0&y=2009
this Bait and Switch of referrals Eric was right refered back to Commerce and Labor05/04/2009 Introduction and first reading, referred to Commerce and Labor Intro 4379
05/08/2009 Referred by Chair to Labor and Consumer Protection Division
05/11/2009 Division action, to pass and return to Commerce and Labor
Of course I was right. The only inside information I had is knowledge of legislative procedures.
Keep reading what I write Sharon, there is hope for you yet.
Eric
I feel like I am reading a comic book here today. Thank you all for the great entertainment, my office is boring today too!
Here's More Construction BillPasses
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/twincities-pioneer-press/TA8OIDCVQ6R1VE90L#lastPost
Buzzed on a Federal USA Level with this blog as site
Buzzzz Bee is never Boring>>
http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/1:813eaa28980b940a21a495880da41281:ac8be623b3390984e2a2890fbbdb0ffd/Construction-bill-passes-Minnesota-Senate
Hey St.Paul Mayor we're watching every step you take.
Election Year.
Appeal filed.....ricomen rise up fom the ashes and now eric will get his intellectual butt kicked good.
Eric the only thing you'll be pulling after the code nazi's get you is your little peep.You don't scare little man.Your house better be perfect or it will after I'm done.Just think I'm not even a landlord or in any suit,I just think your a complete dink who thinks his shit don't stink.
Your house should be perfect and if not you can thank me for raising the value after you're done with the work.
Oh and another thing I'll give DSI my name in hopes you do get my name.Its anonymous and if released it just might not look good for the city.It would be a slamdunk case.
So sleep good and I'll give you week to take care of your shit hole.
Bye for now!
Tom
I think you're a chickenshit Tommy boy. You can't beat someone you don't like or agree with so you're going to sneak around in the night rtying to mak trouble for Erick witht the code boys? In case you haven't noticed, we don't like poeple like you so why don't you do us all a favor by just not hanging out here?
Everybody bow down to Eric, he will be oboma's next token boy before the year is up.
how can we be like Eric.
Each and every thread now, someone has to go and get racist(2:44am). Pathetic trash. Although looking at the spelling and style, some of us know which 'special' person wrote it.
Tommy Boy, if you're going to do it, do it. Don't wait a week. Send them out here tomorrow. I double dare you douchebag.
You get so mad that you can't write a defense of your views so you're going to 'fix' me by trying to get code enforcement on me. Since you obviously are kind of dumb, you could be a man and just find me and tell me what you think. I guess that would take a man.
Do what you have to do but, know this, when its over, you will still be a pathetic douchebag loser. I'll still be me, one step ahead of you.
Bring it on, don't wait a week.
Eric
Just pack r up and head on out Tommy. We think code enforcement should be used for code issues here and not to settle and advance personal agendas. You're no better than the St. Paul NAZI party at city hall.
Go get-em Tommy !
Jeff Matiatos
Tom since when do two wrongs make things right, code enforcement is wrong with some of their procedures and so is being a snitch baby! Many of us here have had to deal with code enforcement and felt we were treated unfairly. Using code enforcement as a form of retaliation is wrong, no matter how you look at it.
Erics opinions typically include facts that add value to many of the topics here, everyone has a right to voice thier opinion here including you but your threats are a bullshit way to stomp your feet.
Stop acting like a spoiled brat that is going to "run to and tell on Eric and his home" your acting like a litte kid running to tell mommy! Just run home little kid and pout in your room, when you grow up come back out here to the real world and discuss issues like an adult.
someone has to go and get racist(2:44am).
This is statrting to get like I was treated by the city ran by DFL.
I Bill Dahn was a "Disabled" Native American, and I sure was kicked around when I went to the city for help about my home.
It dose not look like racist, it looks like you are just going to be Obama's right hand DFL'er.
You said you were 1/2 Native American.
Was I being screwed with because I'm 1/2 GERMAN, by the other race of people that run St.Paul.
This brings to mind what a DFL'er once said to me.
If you want to play the Big Boys game, you will have to take the heat that goes along with it.
Bill Dahn
Since Jeff is coming back, we know there is at least least one hateful racist here. Where have you been for the last few weeks since you dropped the N-word on your last post Jeff? Getting your sheets nice and white to match your hood?
Eric - been there done that.
These guys have called code on me a half a dozen times. Shit happens.
They have done it enough now that they know that it is only crank calls.
What people forget is that the code people give EVERYONE reasonable time to get work done. The issue with the landlords in the law suits and the folks who have been condemned is that they either would not (wouldn't spend the money) or could not (didn't have the money) repair their properties.
Time is not the issue. Go back on these cases, they all go year after year, after year with the complaint not being taken care of.
And, Bill when will you understand that the City has nothing, zero, zilch to do with a private contract between a homeowner and a contractor? That is what I don't get about your insanity. What is the fixation that the City or the DFL party was in someway suppose to have the power to resolve a contract dispute? You contract with a private non-profit to do work in your home, you were not satisfied with that work and you expect some level of government that didn't license these people to make them make you happy.
It is kinda like you bought something at Walmart and you go to Target and complain about it and expect them to fix it for you.
What made you think that me (city council staff) or Eric (DFL staff) could somehow magically become the judge and jury on a law suit you might have had with this non-profit?
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck have you been by your place lately?It looks like shit,you have a million people parked and living there.Trailers parked on the grass.Torn screens.Cars parked without tabs.Inoperable cars.Wood illegally stacked.No gripable handrails on the back steps................Would you like me to go on?
And the said thing is your right-they won't come out and write you up-why?Because you are on the inside.Someone is taking in the complaint and seeing its Chuckie boy and throwing it away.Thank God I've been taking pictures for proof.Chuck if this was a landlord he'd be written up in a heartbeat.
Pictures anyone?
Tim Ciani
When TOmmy was a kid I'll bet the thing he said the best and most often was:
I'k gonna telllll
"Was I being screwed with because I'm 1/2 GERMAN, by the other race of people that run St.Paul."
Answer = Heck no.....you were being screwed with because you are a figging nut job.
This BS of threatening people with code cops is starting to get boring quite frankly. Why don't you try making your point with words if you can?
Chuck it sounds like you have some problems to take care of or should at least check into at your rental property. Its called being a responsible property owner Chuck before you are so quick to judge other property owners sounds like you may want to take a look at yourself first. Must be great to have friends at city hall to cover your ass for you, but do you feel it is fair for the neighbors to have to live next to your rental property assuming that it really looks like what Ciani has described? Pictures would be nice to show whether it is true or not.
Tim - there is no on street parking without permits, so everyone parks in the back off of the alley.
All of the tenants cars are licensed DSI was just out there in March and tagged the one that wasn't. The motorcycle trailer is licensed. The other trailer is for the snow blower. The wood (which is from trees that were cut down in the yard) is stacked legally and is being used by the tenants in the legal fire pit they have in the backyard.
DSI also responded to your "overcrowding" bullshit for the fourth mother fucking time ass hole. There are 4 people living in the four bedroom duplex. DSI called to complain that they couldn't get access because there was never anyone home... I laughed and said, sounds like it isn't very crowded if there is no one there... So, a tenant had to take off work because of the ass holes on this list.
Next time you come over dip shit if they catch you slashing tires again (three times this year) one of my tenants has promised to cut your balls off and feed them to you, if you have any...
I am not sure if it is you or Dahn that is the nut case doing that but you better hope its the cops that catch you.
It is amazing how crazy the people are that are on this list. Piss ants that have so little going for themselves they stalk my house. And, remember I have never been elected to public office, I just have the guts to stand up to these cowards and liars that are on this list. As I have said from the begining the entire group involved in the suit are cowards and bullies that make their livelihood taking advantage of the poor and they don't like being confronted or being held accountable.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
For those of you who haven't tracked here and I think Bob may have deleated the thread even...
Back in early March someone was threatening to get DSI on me; the next day someone slashes the tires on the cars in back of my house; my tenant has to take the tires to be repaired and some ass hole on the list calls DSI then to report the car up on blocks.
Pure cowardly pricks on this list.
Bob sends me an email and says must be my tenants that have problems... yeh right.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Let's go over this one more time.
1. I support code enforcement of unkept property and unsafe situations. Since I am not a hypocrite, you are welcome to give them call on me.
2. It is cowardly and hypocritical for those who want to dismantle code enforcement and complain about its unfair tactics, to try and threaten people by calling them. The dishonesty and stupidity goes beyond those who lost the lawsuit.
3. Its a Pinko Commie anti-American move to call the 'authorities' on someone over their speech. Its more American to threaten to kick their ass for what they say than to try to shut them down for what they say.
4. You can't beat me using your head and putting forth a supportive argument specifically on the conspiracy theory, you can't threaten me physically- because that's crazy on your part, and you can't call the authorities on me because, unlike you, my shit is together. I don't own any rental property in St Paul so, I can be clear when I state, my house is fine.
So where does that leave some of you? You're going to show Eric his place? He's black! Blah, blah, blah. Weak sauce losers.
Figure out your point and try to make, its the only option where you could have a fighting chance.
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Chuck,
Bob is searching for a reason to continue this blog. He knows that some of his funders and supporters really are slumlords and do NOT have the best interest of minorities and the poor in mind. He is also well aware of the bigotry that comes out on his blog.
He's is at a crossroads searching.
Eric
Oh give it a rest on the racism attacks, we are all humans on the inside (well most of us are there is a few posters here that may be questionable). The color of a persons skin does not make the person and is not a valid cause for the personal attacks on each other. Its obvious some posters here are jealous of Erics success and his intelligence level so the only way they know how to compete is by making childish threats and wasting inspectors time along with the taxpayers dollars by making calls and/or complaints to code enforcement as a form of retaliation.
Thee ain't nobody cutting up your tires here Repke. Maybe you just live in a shit neighborhood. You gotta a lot of nerve blaming us.
I'm sure now that the lawsuits are over that Bob will find something else to keep the blog going. And come to think about it, Bob isn't really pushing anything about landlords is he? Isn't the main bitch here about equal treatment under the law? Who has ever said they want to dismantle code enforcement? I sure don't get that idea from reading here.
First, I would like to thank Chuck and Eric for helping get out that my home was F--ked up by RAP and no one wanted to help me in city government, except Dave Thune's aide Chuck Repke.
Thank you Chuck for trying to help me with my home, and then the city attorney told people not to help me.
So the only thing I still have against the two of you is that you are two of the biggest kiss asses that the Democratic Party has.
But for the blacks not to care about their own, having the bad stuff, that RAP did 200,000 homes in Minnesota with.
And whites did not care about their own either, and then the dam Indian aka red skins did not care if their people were being poison with formaldehyde.
Watch next years election for governor and see how some of the people running on the DFL Party gets the bad press they deserve.
The Minnesota's Crooked est Party is the DFL.
But that's just Bill Dahn's opinion.
Tim - when they come out three times for over crowding and everytime it is bull shit don't you think that when you call them back again a week later they would finally figure it out?
Check the address again Timmy - the last time it was less than one week after they checked when you called them again.
They may be slow but they ain't stupid.
And Tim it is my legal address. I legally live with my son in the downstairs unit.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Sorry to change the subject but why is everyone picking on Eric?He's just alittle misguided.
But I do have a question for him.Hows Medicare and Social Security doing?You seemed to think the were the cats meow the other day.Well everybody can be wrong every once in awhile.
I also have a qustion for Chuck.If you're the landlord and the inspector wants in don't you have a key?Isn't it your job to meet the inspector instead of the tenant?Just curious.
Ralph
Ralph - despite what Rush tells you Social Security is doing just fine. It is still fully funded. The reason why nobody on SSI is getting a raise this year is that there has been "0", zero, none, null, cost of living increase.
You may have been out of town and didn't notice but the price of gas went from $4.00 to $2.30 in the past year. That means no inflation and no cost of living adjustment. There were big raises when gas was going up...
As to having a key. I have a key, but the tenant and I have a good relationship. I give him a break on the rent to maintain the yard, and deal with that.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
By the sound of it Chuck, the yard isn't being kept up very well.
I guess you should take over from now on.
8:41 - seeing it gets inspected by DSI on a reasonably regular basis, it can't be to bad.
On the SSI thing, Ralph. Fully funded until 2037 is the current estimate.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck are you totally in the dark here?Social security was supposed to be bringing in more then it paid out until 2017.An Obama report released yesterday said it was go to flatline by next year.So do some reading.
Just because something is bringing in more then it is paying out today and we see a cliff coming down the road doesn't mean doing fine.It means on the road to bankrupt.Would you but my business if you knew it was pulling in more money today but in 7 years it would be in the black?Ah no!
Shouldn't the landlord be maintaining the property pr atleast overseeing it?
Ralph
I meant going flatline
I meant buy my business
I meant in the red
Didn't want to get beat up by the spelling nazi's
Ralph
Ralph SSI is not a business, and the government is not a business.
That is why Republicans fuck it up so badly when they try to run it like one.
SSI is solvent until 2037. Does that mean in 2010 we need to do something to fix it? Yes. Does that mean we need to fix it before we deal with the stock market crash? NO. Does that mean that we need to fix it more than stimulate the economy? No.
Does that mean that morons like Rush will try to make the problem of 27 years from now more important than the one of today? Of course they will. Because they hate America and what is stands for.
Freedom, Liberty, Justice, Hope all are concepts that people like Rush despise. Rush likes the economy in crisis because he has something to blame on the poor, the disadvantaged and the needy. He gets a chance to spin hate, and fear and that is what he lives for.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
It's your DFL friends that like crtisis Chuck. Obamma's dead fish guy even said never waste a good crisis.Aren't you twisting things a little?
Chuck since your online a this blog
the 3rd RICO lawsuit filed
http://www.sicko-citystpaul.blogspot.com/
Bobby when you have time use URL download the pdg file upload to slideshare,scribd,doc's or whatever
12:57 - a "good crisis" is one that allows people to see how many people are in crisis and encourages us to come together to facilitate change. A "good crisis" becomes an opportunity to stimulate action.
What Rush is doing by talking about SSI issues while Rome burns, is to try to get those who have money to be more concerned about the potential that they may have a problem down the line and view the threat to their fortune as those who are in need today rather than the one's who are above them on the food chain.
Remember the basis of the right wing neo-Nazis is to always remind people to kick the person below them rather than to band together to challenge those with more than them. The montra is that the capitolist will quit producing wealth and we will all starve if tax rates reach 38% on the elite. We must serve the wealthy and the powerful and punish the week and helpless.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
This is the appeal of the Summary Judgement. No surprises, but again no clarity as to what in the world these people think the claim is against the City.
The new spin on the case all rests on the state case of Morris v Sax and that somehow the City was using a higher standard than the state building code (when the only code the city was using was the state building code). So, the new spin is that somehow the city should have records of the state building code for every year and that when is checks on property it should go back to the year that the building was built and determine if a building needs in door plumbing or electricity based on what year the building was built.
So, if you have a rental built in 1917 you don't need a working toilet or running water or electricity and that if the City were to try to enforce the "new code" on these landlords then it must be a violation of the fair housing act, because poor people (and those of color) don't like in-door plumbing and electricity. They want the shacks these guys own.
The case is dead.
The appeal is DOA.
The lawyers are at this point laughing all the way to the bank while they take more checks from the landlords.
They don't even try to make this a Federal RICO case anymore, which it started out as... so, now it is protect the rights of the poor (and black) to live without working toilets.
Just sad.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck Calm Down, Please do not have a stroke.
So what if the Lawyers make millions
Federal Court is Great with pdf files for research.
The City will have to reimbuse them
http://www.angelfire.com/mn3/advocate7/alice2006/taking.html
http://ademocracy.blogspot.com/2006/09/summary-racketeering-law-suits-against.html
I think Chuck has been breathing formeldehyde fumes again.
Chuck said
The case is dead.
The appeal is DOA.
People don't just roll over and die because you say so.
The more that people get shafted, the stronger they get with others joining together.
Why think government can get away with RICO ACTS on their citizens, now ,obama, is in by illegal's voting for the Democrats because they harbor illegal's here in St.Paul.
I call that aiding and abetting, and that is a crime.
A crook is a Crook -- Chuck, no matter the color of ones skin or the political party they are in.
Your always down grading other parties and bragging up the DFL
DDD Dumb FFFFFFFFF LLLLLLLLL Liars, I only stutter typing
about slimy grunts that like fucking their fellow man, and get grants from the city to get a-head, did you give any money back under the table?
Remember that Donny Luna signed the paper that said, "WESCO" voted OK on The BRIDGES Project. This is fraud, and who on the city council are in with him.
Aiding and Abetting/Accessory
Billy D.
Vote Dahn, September 2009
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Ah flip it.Lets not worry about money huh Chuck.WE know medicare and social security will be bankrupt so lets pass a trillion dollar spending bill and fund national health care so when the day comes people don't have a dime in their pocket we can say the democrats couldn't run a Koolaide stand.
Government should be ran like a business-spend what you bring in or else you will run high defecits with big tax increases behind it.
Ralph
Bill Dahn and Sharon Anderson at the Tax RallyDo either of you work? You don't pay taxes and you want to pay less than nothing?
After reading his thoughts for a while I thought Bill was schizo. Then went to his website and saw that he is not mentally well-balanced.
Why isn't he in a mental health facility like Moose Lake or St Peter?
Running for mayor? He should be running from the men in white coats with butterfly nets.
Aiding and Abetting/Accessory
Bull shit Bill, we get scewed every time they need a good laugh.
They just want to shut your mouth,
you already seen how Chuck and Thunes hang tight, their mottos could read like this.
Do on to others, but do it first.
All this construction and jobs for Union workers on the Bridges, the ice rink,and spend money we as the poor tax payer can't afford
Bill is a tax taker, not tax payer.
At 1:58 PM, Repke wrote: “So, if you have a rental built in 1917 you don't need a working toilet or running water or electricity....”
What? Who is making that argument? Please, identify the landlord saying that and I will join you in publicly condemning them. The reason we are against HF2362 is because we object to things like this:
St. Paul window police making a homeowner change their window to a new size only to have a different window cop require the SAME homeowner change it again a few months later to yet another opening size (read the article in the strib).
St. Paul requiring a property owner to bring a vacant building up to current day code even though it was vacant/non-compliant for less than the one year period required by State Building Code.
Targeting zealous code inspectors on addresses where there are perceived behavioral problems. What does maintenance/building code have to do with behavior?
St. Paul sending us notices to fix our properties and giving us only three days to remedy issues. State civil law specifies one must give time just to assume the letter got through the mail!
Besides, I don’t understand your – or the officials that spoke at the hearing on HF 2362 – stance. You claim to be in compliance with the State Building Code, but you appear desperate to pass HF2362. The sole purpose of HF 2362 is to relieve cities of the State Building Code. If St. Paul is in compliance with the State Building Code, then why the desperation to be relieved of the State Code?
Bill Cullen.
Bill Cullen is the only one who makes "cents" For research
Status
https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/revisor/pages/search_status/status_detail.php?b=House&f=HF2362&ssn=0&y=2009 of HF2362
SF2126 Revisor no. 09-3784
We're all in this together, to malign anyone is sheer stupidity
We all should help balance the budget
Bill what I was talking about is the argument in Harrilal vs City of Saint Paul in the link Sharron attached.
Whenever any of the landlord cases focus on "New Code" vs Code when the building was build... or the loss of "grandfathering" which should continue with a building, the problem in their argument is exactly what I said.
If my duplex that was built in 1887 has "grandfathering rights" and that inspectors ..."must use the state code that was in effect when the building was built..." which is the arguments that the landlords make, then that means if true that the City can't require that I have electricity or working plumbing because the house was built to code in 1887 with an outhouse and no electricity.
You can't argue that only some of the "new code" should apply and others should not. Who is to determine? So, arguing for a building having grandfathering rights means about 25% of Saint Paul's homes won't need electricity or plumbing.
The case goes nowhere....
...and when the landlords try to extend Morris v Sax to grandfathering rights they create the same problems.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck,
Bob is searching for a reason to continue this blog. He knows that some of his funders and supporters really are slumlords and do NOT have the best interest of minorities and the poor in mind. He is also well aware of the bigotry that comes out on his blog.
He's is at a crossroads searching.
Eric
My response;
A Democracy Town Hall will continue on regardless of the outcome of the fair housing lawsuits. Elections never end, there will be work to do. Also, folks who need help have found it here I wouldn't want to take that away from anyone.
Many of us feel the district councils are not representative of the common man in Saint Paul, they serve a political entity. So there is a need for an electronic town hall like A Democracy.
Bigotry- A Democracy Town Hall is representative of our society, and by far isn't the only place one can find prejudice. I am proud of the fact bigotry is exposed here. At neighborhood or district council meetings folks tend to hide their bigotry and we never get to see some of the issues or people for who they are.
District councils- Here is one of the things I shake my head at and wonder where is the thinking. In a newspaper ad, a certain district council on the east side promotes "snitching" on your neighbors for their abandon cars so Budget Towing can tow the cars and clean up the neighborhood. The council brags about Budget Towing donating money to the council as if this is a good reason to snitch on your neighbor. HEY, how about going to your neighbor and knocking at the door and talking to them about abandon cars or anything else that my be concerning you? WHY, aren't the district councils preaching getting along with your neighbors?
NO, they want you to SNTICH, SNITCH, and SNITCH some more. Call the police, call the dog catcher, call the district council, call BUDGET Towing, call your councilman, call the health department. Snitch, snitch, snitch.... NOT, a good way to get along with your neighbor!
And one last reason for A Democracy to continue on. Bill Dahn tells me he hasn't had to call political bureaucrats on the phone because he knows they read the blog. SO, I am sure there is someone working for the city, state or county who is real appreciative Bill isn't calling them and they have this forum to thank for that. :)
Bob - as a staff person for a district council on the East Side that doesn't have a relationship with Budget Towing (which one does?) all I can tell you is that most of our effort it about getting neighbors to talk to each other, not snitching on each other.
That is why we have block clubs to get neighbors talking to each other. District Council like ours watch out for each other and invite everyone in the neighborhood to be a part. We even invite landlords! We also let landlords know if there are issues going on in their properties so that they can check it out themselves.
One of our big efforts in the past two years has been an auto theft reduction program. That means getting into apartment buildings and talking to the renters about watching out for each other too! Over the last 2 years 25% of the auto theft reduction in Saint Paul has come from our area.
So, Bob I don't have a clue what you are talking about and I wish you would actually see who is involved in the neighborhood groups before slamming them all.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Thank you Bob.
I did just call to find out a bit of leagal advice before I take actions on some people.
I thought I was right but just wanted to be sure leagally.
We see that some people are trying their best to discredit me as a candidate for mayor, this happens each time that I put my name in on the ballet.
Thats find, this shows that one person can agervate the Democratic Party so bad that they will try anything to shut me up.
Look bad at any election I was in and think of all the money other candidates spend and that I do not spend over $50.00.
I do not take contrabution, so I have no money to spend to get my word out in the media.
But like Bob said, A Democracy is here for all people to vent their veiw on any issue.
Bob knows how the Democratic Blog
E-Democracy treated anyone who spoke out against the city government.
Some one here thinks that by nme being totally against the Demo Rat Tic Party I'm nuts.
There are more people each election that are in unions that vote Independent Party over DFL.
This is a issue that was caused by the party and not my doing.
Do you think that that fact that Donald Luna thoght he could slide the Bridges Proget in to being adopeded in as fact, when most of the people at WESCO voted NO.
Then people of St.Paul can watch the city council more closely for fraud.
Billy D.
For Mayor
Look at Jesse and Dean thought they could push
BillDahn.com around.
Yeah yeah yeah Chuck. Go figure a DFL hack defending his priceless puppet district council. You can say these district councils aren't political all you want, anyone who isn't ignorant knows better.
I have been to these meetings. The city and district councils put on a good show of getting neighbors to Big Brother each other.
Get along my ass Repke. Your chickenshit district councils encourage neighbors to send unsigned and anonymous letters to landlords threatening them over a problem they don't even know about. That's your strategy for getting along? These council should be defunded and placed in museums with the rest of the relics from society.
Just back from Fargo again. You folks never stop do you? Bob, you can have your candy ciggs there but, you can't light up the real things in the bar and restaurants. The code enforcement is even more subjective and less uniform there. Your Nannies are there and strong. Its a very liberal city.
A.
Jeff and Tim, I don't use the n-word. I don't condone anyone black or white using it around me. I do speak up about it when I hear it in public- doesn't matter what color the person is. Doesn't change the history of the word.
I ask Bob to leave it up because as I said over and over, it reflects the character of the person using it. Especially when the try to aim it me. Nobody provides more evidence of their position than I do on here.
Tim- you have no idea what I said about Rev Wright. How about you yourself telling us what he said that you think was wrong?
B.
Still waiting for that visit or contact from code enforcement. They are welcome to come in and do a walk through. Tell them to come at the end of the day so that we can grab a beer afterwards. Tell 'em they're buying.
c
Ralph-2017 for Medicare and 2037 for Social Security, if we do nothing and remain in this worst recession since the Depression. Neither one of those things are happening.
The trillion dollar spending plan is already reaping benefits. Aside from that fact, the pentagon is doing an aggressive audit going after eliminating no-bid contracts (remember the 9 billion that came up missing in Iraq) and more competitive pricing (no more Haliburtion and KBR price gauging). Defense Secretary estimates about 300 billion to be saved. Closing the offshore loopholes is estimated to yield us 700 billion over the next ten years.
If the economy does absolutely nothing, then we break even Ralph. Aren't you even concerned that 66% of corporations find a way to pay ZERO federal taxes? Others on average find themselves paying about 2%. I'm no expert but I'm willing to bet the average Joe is paying more than 2% in taxes to the federal government. You think that burden is due to the rich and corporations having so many ways not to pay their fair share?
d.
Bill Dahn is on social security. He deserves a hand for advocating a lesser handout.
Bill, as the Secretary of the St Paul DFL let me say that no one, no one is vested in shutting you up. I want you out there expressing your opinion on behalf of A-Democracy and the Landlords. If you want some money to let your view point be heard by more people, email me.
As a regular St Paul citizen, I'm not sure what you're offering any citizen. You are not struggling to work and pay taxes, or a homeowner, or raising a family here. Not that that's necessary but, what are you doing in your life that can make a majority of St Paul voters identify with you? If you say we need more businesses, how can you present to company the benefits of moving their operation here? Do you understand tax rate, or can you even pitch a project? No. So, the reason you're really running is to make a point.
e.
Bob, I've talked with you about the District Councils. Over in Central St Paul,they do tend to be cliques of active neighbors. in the North End and East Side, it tends to be a few interested people but, rarely the political connected. Rarely are they actually full. Most times, you just show up at the annual meeting without prep and can get elected to the council. No, conspiracy or political difficulty on these councils in the poorer areas.
Glad to see you admit this blog is for the Bill Dahns of the world.
What are you going to do when your landlord hush money runs out?
Eric
Eric said;
Glad to see you admit this blog is for the Bill Dahns of the world.
What are you going to do when your landlord hush money runs out?
My response;
Eric, as you know, this town hall welcomes everyone. Regardless of age, education, sanity, race, or opinion. We even welcome DFlers now that says a lot! :)
As for $$$$.....
NOBODY donates more money, time or physical labor to the activism of this forum than I do.
One more thing. I have been working on some disturbing issue's concerning the "Community Stabilization Programs" .
It just never ends.
SO, when the Fair Housing Lawsuits are resolved one way or the other, we still have some very important issues to discuss in our town hall here.
Bob at the annual meeting in District 2 four new board members elected. No campaigning. No politics.
It is just sad that people would dismiss the chance to participate and have impact because not everyone in the room agrees with them.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Eric said;
*Welcome in the sense that you will be held up to be personally attacked and accused of conspiring politically,
My response;
A Democracy Town Hall is a politically charged blog with highly emotional issues that have personally effected the lives of many who post here.
Eric said;
being in the pockets of some party, a self hater, gay, and every derogatory name these folks can barely spell.
My response;
Fact is Eric you and Chuck are in the pockets of the DFL. We all know that. I am having difficulty with the self hater statement????
I can't figure who that would be. There is only one person here who post regularly that is a gay basher. We all know who he is and we wouldn't know this about him if I didn't allow him to post freely.
Eric said;
However, if you agree with us, you can be an unemployed moocher, mentally unstable, racist, homophobe or just plain stupid and you'll have a home here.
My response;
Obviously this statement was made to discourage reader participation here. FACT is freedom of speech is alive and well here at A Democracy Town Hall. We get to know the regular posters for who they are and this is a good thing.
Most of the regular posters who Eric disagrees with, are working class citizens who have issues with the city. To Eric they are
"unemployed moocher, mentally unstable, racist, homophobe or just plain stupid". We can add retard to Eric's list of names.
When councilmen Helgen posted here some years back inviting us to a neighborhood meeting folks were respectful of him. When Council President Kathy Lantry joined us in a Round Table Discussion on Housing folks here were very respectful of her.
On another note. Eric & Chuck, landlords across this city are feed up with code enforcement tactics. I know, I am at the center of this issue and I hear the same story from investors who don't even know each other. Don't believe me, ask (K.D.) Kathy Lantry's old landlord and good friend. This guy is far from being a slumlord. You were wondering where my future funding would come from Eric. It's guys like this.
Bob:
A Democracy Town Hall is a politically charged blog with highly emotional issues that have personally effected the lives of many who post here.
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Eric:
So, that is your excuse for the accepted norm of discussion that happens here? Everyone is emotionally charged?
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Bob:
Fact is Eric you and Chuck are in the pockets of the DFL. We all know that. I am having difficulty with the self hater statement????
I can't figure who that would be. There is only one person here who post regularly that is a gay basher. We all know who he is and we wouldn't know this about him if I didn't allow him to post freely.
Eric:
In the pockets of the DFL? How so Bob? That means I wouldn't challenge the party structure, since I have run candidates against the party favorites every year I've lived in St Paul, I'd say the DFL is less likely to call me an automatic supporter. However, I do support the candidate after the endorsement and against any Republican if there is one. In the city, its DFLer vs DFLer most of the time.
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Eric said;
However, if you agree with us, you can be an unemployed moocher, mentally unstable, racist, homophobe or just plain stupid and you'll have a home here.Bob:
Obviously this statement was made to discourage reader participation here. FACT is freedom of speech is alive and well here at A Democracy Town Hall. We get to know the regular posters for who they are and this is a good thing.
Most of the regular posters who Eric disagrees with, are working class citizens who have issues with the city. To Eric they are
"unemployed moocher, mentally unstable, racist, homophobe or just plain stupid". We can add retard to Eric's list of names.
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Eric:
Bob, most of the people who agree with me are also working class citizens, as am I. The people who fit that list using one or more of those descriptors I provided would be Jeff Matatios. Bill Dahn, Sharon Anderson, Tim Ciani, Jim, George, Froggy, and Anonymous. Now not all of them fit all of the names, but all of them fit at least one of those descriptors. For instance Jeff fits almost all of them, however Ciani is just plain stupid with his calling code enforcement on people to prove a point. What point? That code enforcement will write up people connected to the city just like they will any slumlord? That's what we've been saying for four years and flies in the face of the suit.
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Bob:
On another note. Eric & Chuck, landlords across this city are feed up with code enforcement tactics. I know, I am at the center of this issue and I hear the same story from investors who don't even know each other. Don't believe me, ask (K.D.) Kathy Lantry's old landlord and good friend. This guy is far from being a slumlord. You were wondering where my future funding would come from Eric. It's guys like this.
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Eric:
Thanks for letting us know who'll be filling your water dish from this point on. You're so deep in their pockets that you can't see the people you say you want to help are not being served by the condition that some of these landlords allow their rental property to thrive in.
No industry likes the enforcement or regulatory arm. The FCC, SEC, FDA, etc. all get complaints from the industry they regulate. However, the people ask for these standards and expect the government to enforce these standards.
If you all really wanted to do something about it, you'd stop pissing around with the likes of Bill Dahn and find some real candidates. One or two every couple of years. If you would have done this back in 2002, you could have had a majority on the council by now and rolled back some of these standards. If you believe the citizens of St Paul would support your issues. They don't. You know they don't. So your only recourse is the courts and a blog.
If you can't get the citizens behind you, maybe this isn't the city for you.
Eric
Thee's nothing wrong with standards and enforcing them Eric. What epople don't like it when inspectors lie about things that do not need to be fixed. That's the one thing that's common in most of the complaints people have made and the one thing you seem to stick up for around here.
Bob said: Fact is Eric you and Chuck are in the pockets of the DFL. We all know that.
Chuck says: What in the heck does that mean? I love the silliness of those kinds of statements. First I have never been paid by the DFL Party to do anything. And, I have never gotten anything from the DFL Party.
From time to time, some campaign has paid me to assist their candidate in getting endorsed by the DFL Party and from time to time I have volunteered to get some candidate endorsed for free. I have also been a paid staff on campaigns and I have been a volunteer on campaigns.
What you don't get Bob and what most people don't get that never get off of their butts to get involved in the electoral process is that every year the party endorsement process starts from scratch. There is an equal shot for anyone in getting endorsed in either party if they can organize people to attend the caucus process.
What guys like you and the Bill's of the world complain about is that they have no constituency, no supporters, no one that listens to them, few who agree with their positions and then bitch that they don't have a chance in the party process.
I have on several occasions been able to get candidates endorsed for local office by getting them to get their friends in scouting, or in church groups or even their motorcycle club members to show up at the caucuses and get elected as delegates.
There are no "registered Democrats" in Minnesota. We don't have party registration. The process belongs entirely to those who show up.
The lazy, uninformed and those with no support base can bitch, but its pretty lame.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
10:49
Go screw yourself, stop lying on me.
I have never stuck up for inspectors who lie. I've been around for over 3 years and have said over and over that it is possible and probable that there are some bad apples. We find them throughout other departments too like Police and Parks and Rec. However, a few bad apples do not reflect on the whole department and there are ways to handle it.
I'll be clear again on my position:
I stand against the RICO suit. There has been zero evidence presented that there is conspiracy between the city officials, inspectors, county attorney and judges. That's what RICO was presenting. There has been nothing.
I am doubtful on the Fair Housing aspect of the suit. In the testimony I read here, many of the tenants were not of a protective class, but more telling is that some of these landlords admit to having black tenants in other buildings and have no problem with the city on that property.
Also in their own testimony, they admit to having code problems and not addressing them until contacted by the city. One admitted that he bought the property knowing he didn't have the money to bring it up to code, and let it fall into further disrepair while renting units in it.
If these landlords were really interested in solving the problem of a wayward, rogue or jerk working for code enforcement, suing the city and claiming a government wide RICO suit was in order was not the way to go. Over three years later and after dismissal of the Federal Case, here we are.
You need to pay attention and stop letting other tell you how and what to think. Read what these people write. Read the testimony of the landlords. Then think.
Eric
Chuck, you call Bob a liar then you go on to talk about the money you have received from the DFL. If that isn't in pocket what is?
You don't have to be paid Repke. Do you think we're really that stupid? For the pete sakes, your like a local version of Jack Bauer.....only withy a big mouth instead of a gun. Anytime they want to spread some propaganda they just wind you up like a toy and shove you out the city hall door onto the street to start indoctrinating the people. We're on to your game Repke. Eric too!
Anonymous said...
YOU IDIOT! GIVE US THE NAME OF THE PERSON HERE SUPPORTING BILL DAHN.
12:28 PM-
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Well, you for starters or, at least someone with your name. Everytime Bill Dahn writes, Anonymous talks about how much he/she supports him.
Eric
1:17 PM
BILL Dahn is the anonymous poster supporting himself. Eric is the only person from this list who would vote for Dahn.
Today East Side Vacant Building Tour Mphttp://www.startribune.com/local/stpaul/45228697.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUFls Star Anthony Lonetree
That's not what I heard your wife calling him while you were up at 4:30am on A-Democracy.
Eric
This election might cost the Democrat Party more money because of the people who don't want the Chris Coleman's party in again.
The hmong or dahn will win this 2009 Election.
They will come out from behind the eight ball to take it.
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