Property Tax's Push Highland Nursery Out Of Business
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Hi All,
I was wondering if any of you seen the 10:00 news concerning the Highland Nursery going out of business due to all the new property tax increases?
I believe Coleman is outta there, and so most of the city council. In all their efforts to make Saint Paul this model middle class city, all they have accomplished is higher taxes and discontented citizens.
Higher tax's & the smoking ban
what else can you democrats think of to destroy the business climate?
Jene Oberg
Way to go City!We are in real economic times and the city raises its budget 50 million.Did these guys miss their economics class Repke?
John
I missed the story. How much did their property taxes go up?
Bill, I don't remember the exact amount. It seemed like a lot. The city claims they under taxed the property for 2 preceding years.
I will call Highland Nursery tomorrow and see if I can get the scoop.
Would you think if the property tax were goofed up by the tax revenue office, they should have to bite the bullet on their mistake.
Not try to give any tax payer the grief, let the government take he loss.
It went up over 100%! The property value went from somewhere around 65,500 to 219,000 for 2008 and 265,000 for 2009, these are approximate figures that I recall seeing on the news.
Two EMV tax statements
1. $750,000 2007; $775,000 2008; $813,800, 2009
2007 Tax - $23,648
2008 Tax $23,860
2. $15,300 2007; $195,000 2008; $259,900 2009
2007 Tax - $768.00
2008 Tax $6442.00
1/2 of their property went from being worth $15,300 to $259,900
11:51 said: "Would you think if the property tax were goofed up by the tax revenue office, they should have to bite the bullet on their mistake."
it appears they did bite the bullet. They didn't go after any back taxes, just corrected it going forward. Or are you saying that the city should continue to bite the bullet?
Dave Thune stated on SPIF that not one business has gone out of business because of property taxes in St. Paul. Well Dave here is one of many.
they are not going out of business, call and ask them.
And it is $5,674 total. If that is putting you out of business its not the property taxes that are putting you out of business.
8:51 said, they are not going out of business, call and ask them.
And it is $5,674 total. If that is putting you out of business its not the property taxes that are putting you out of business.
The title of this post was in response to what I heard on the 5:00 news.
Isn't it interesting that there are people that think that $5,674.00 is such a pawltry amount that if it happens to put you out of business that it must be something else......I just love the inference that the guy is some how less than wholesome because he doesn't have almost six grand laying around for politicians to hand out to the Repkes of the world. Right back to the DFL play book......any time you don't agree, just figure out how to dirty up the other side a little.
Very well said 3:11 AM
Taxes in St. Paul are going up big time, again under DFL leadership. I encourage you all to come to the public tax meeting that is coming up. You can confront these public officials who feel it is their right to take your hard-earned money and waste it or give it to people like Repke who has both hands in the pot.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember the Highland Nursery coming out in support of Randy Kelly any other common sense candidate for City Council.
In fact, I do seem to recall a Coleman sign on their property.
I disagree with your assessment, Bob.
Everyone that voted for the lefty junta that is in power are receiving exactly and precisely what they asked for.
CONGRATULATIONS!
The owners of the Highland Nursery are simply showing that they are "happier to pay" than others.
Swiftee is again 100% correct!
You vote for these guys, you deserve what you get.
No bailout for these folks if you ask me.
Highland Resident
Bailout?
WTF are you talking about?
Resident Highland
10:16 PM
The Highland Nursery is complaining about the high property taxes in St. Paul while they supporting the Chief Raiser of the property taxes, Chris Coleman.
Now Highland Nursery wants a break in their taxes from Ramsey County once they see what they voted for. I say if you voted for the guy, you need to pay the taxes imposed by Chris Coleman or go out of business. No bailout by the county by reducing their taxes by undervaluing their property when everyone else has their property inflated and their property taxes raised. No special treatment for Highland Nursery. They supported a tax and spend guy, let them pay for what they voted for.
Tax paying Highland Resident
Again the right wing philosophy that couldn't stand with a crutch.
I didn't vote for Bush or the Republicans, yet, the decisions they made has me paying to bailout corporations and banks left and right while the economy collapses around us.
You obviously supported them Highland Resident, you ought to be paying my share of the burden you dumb hypocrite, as well as the nursery's share. Its the decision by the republicans that forced local governments to obtain more revenue from its citizens and business owners.
Its your fault.
Eric
Eric
You forget these bailouts are for Freddie and Fanny, all businesses that supported cheep loans to people who could not afford them. This was done at the Democrats blessing. Don't you understand or care to remember that it was the Democrats that supported these loans, Democratic members of congress that demanded these loans? These loans should have never been written in the first place.
Second, I thought the Democratic Party was against subsidies for corporations. It seems like the Democratic Party is all for corporate subsidies for their Democratic friendly businesses like the big three automakers in Detroit.
Third, let's take a look at the great Democratic experiment in Detroit. High taxes for businesses, and a social services program like none other that allowed people to stay on social programs for life while watching Jerry Springer all day. Look at Detroit, it is ghost town and the Democratic mayor just went to jail for his corrupt ways. Eric, drive down almost any street in Detroit and you will see blocks of abandoned buildings. The Democratic experiment FAILED in Detroit and Democrats now want to spread this experiment around the country.
Eric, your Democratic buddies sure slammed the Republican Party for their corporate connections, but it is the Democrats who have given the most to their Democratic business buddies, like Freddie and Fanny and now the big three Auto makers that have given heavily to the Democratic Party. Our children and their children will be paying for the Democratic bailout of their business buddies for a long time.
Please get your facts correct.
Highland Resident
Highland,
The big three got a foot in the ass was told to come back with a plan. I can assume that Democrats care about the auto industry because when it covers more jobs than any other industry and other reasons you won't understand.
Detroit is not a Democratic ran city as much as its a corporate ran city. I've been there and have sat in political meetings, the whole eastern board of Michigan is ran by the Auto Industry, Amway is a close second but they are central and northern Michigan.
Detroit is that way because of corporate control and politicians only elected out of the auto industry's pocket since the early part of the last century.
The republicans and Michigan democrats have resisted any real regulations for the automakers and now they can't only compete but, need our money to do so.
What party pushed for greater regulations and standards?
You're also wrong on Freddie and Fannie receiving all of the bailout money. It should make any reader pause and question if you know anything that you anonymously spout off.
I got this list from the Republican News Max on how much of the money has been sent out so far:
AIG $40 billion
JPMorgan $25 billion
Citigroup $25 billion
Wells Fargo $25 billion
Bank of America $15 billion
Merrill Lynch $10 billion
Goldman Sachs $10 billion
Morgan Stanley $10 billion
PNC Financial Services $7.7 billion
Bank of New York Mellon $3 billion
State Street Corp $2 billion
Capital One Financial $3.55 billion
Fifth Third Bancorp $3.45 billion
Regions Financial $3.5 billion
SunTrust Banks $3.5 billion
BB&T Corp $3.1 billion
KeyCorp $2.5 billion
Comerica $2.25 billion
Marshall & Ilsley Corp $1.7 billion
Northern Trust Corp $1.5 billion
Huntington Bancshares $1.4 billion
Zions Bancorp $1.4 billion
First Horizon National $866 million
City National Corp $395 million
Valley National Bancorp $330 million
UCBH Holdings Inc $298 million
Umpqua Holdings Corp $214 million
Washington Federal $200 million
First Niagara Financial $186 million
HF Financial Corp $25 million
Bank of Commerce $17 million
TOTAL: $203.08 billion
Lots of Wall Street welfare.
if you got different numbers, I'm sure we'd all be interested in seeing them.
Eric
Eric,
You cretin, these corporations have given more to the Democratic Party. Check out the FEC if you don't believe me.
Should we talk about Barney Frank and his connections to the failed Fannie and Freddie?
Should we talk about all the money your friend Repke has received from his connections to the DFL crowd in St. Paul who control the city council and mayor's office.
Eric, should we talk about all the money that has been diverted to the DFL from unions?
Eric so I see you are a 24 fan, interesting. Did you know the principles in this show are Republicans?
I'm a cretin? OK.
Actually, corporations can't give money to political campaigns. So, you are once again in err. Some companies have PACs but they are limited to very small amounts in the scheme of political funds.
However, if an individual gives over a certain amount, they have to list their employer. I'll help you out so that you don't sound so ridiculous next time you post. Go to a site called open secrets, in the search box type in the corporations name, and then you'll see where most of the big donations from those people go.
This is the third time you've tried to directly engage me, been thwarted with facts, and then changed the subject. You've gotten in over your head.
You're stuck on Freddie and Fannie who's total holdings are about 120 billion, we know that less than a third of those are in default (40billion). That's 1/10th of what we've given out. You've got no point there.
As far as 24 goes, I'm really not a fan. Its way too phony. You do know that its a Hollywood production of fiction, right? Doesn't matter which way a person votes who writes the show or produces it, its a fricken TV show! Get back into the real world.
Eric
Eric you are the one who said in a past post that you like the show. Don't you remember?
As far as the FEC goes you are correct, but these corporate PACs contribute give more to the Democrats than Republicans and these are the same companies who want a bailout. Interesting factoid Eric is the Democrats say the Republicans want XYZ for their corporate buddies, but it is the Democrats who are in bed with the corporations. Another BIG LIE the Democrats have been saying for years. The Democrats are in bed with corporate America more than the Republicans are.
Yes, Eric you are a cretin. If you don't know what it means look it up in the dictionary. I bet your fat friend who is on the radio knows what it means.
Say, Eric?
You do know that the Republican congress voted against the bailout, don't you?
They have also have managed to keep Democrats from bailing out the auto industry.
This financial disaster has Democrat fingerprints all over it....that's why they are so adamant that we mortage the country for the next fifty years to cover their greasy paw marks.
I must say though it isn't fun having my investments ransacked, I am enjoying, and will continue to enjoy the spectacle of watching governments having to, at last, start cutting themselves down to size.
Who knows, it may get to the point the Grover and a few of his closest friends can start filling the bathtub.
Are you trying to tell me after spending most of the previous 24 years de-regulating the shit out of the banking, investing and lending industry, the Republicans in congress decided to not even step up to the plate and figure a way out to clean up their mess they - once again, dumped on us?I'm shocked.
The reality is, the Republican President (Bush, remember him) and his Republican appointees (Paulson, the guy supposedly watching over our money) came to Congress with a bailout they supported written on about three pages. Three fucking pages! The document Bush signed to pardon that turkey on Thanksgiving was longer than that!
The deal behind the doors in Congress was that Democrats and Republicans would carry this, several Democrats and more Republicans in tight races were given a pass. Since more Republicans were in tight races (and still lost) a few of them voted against their party leadership.
In the Senate, same thing. The Republicans have stopped a lot of the Democratic agenda that passed the House but could not get 60 votes in the Senate. Somehow, the bailout found that plus some.
Over this last month including today, whenever Bush or Paulson hold a press conference, the market drops like a stone. When Obama has spoken on the economy and introduced his team, the market rose, including a single day record high.
Your team has lost. They have collectively screwed up things and the American people and our markets are ready for them to go away.
Maybe they can get into that bathtub one by one that Grover is so found of.
By the way, your blog sucks ass Swiftee. WTF are you so angry about? Nevermind, I really don't care.
Eric
This mess wasn't caused by de-regulation, it's the product of misuse of regulation for political purpose.
Community Reinvestment Act. Freddie and Fannie. Government intrusion into markets to further a socialist agenda.
Learn it, love it, 'cause as a proud member in good standing of the party of scrubs, own it, baby.
Oh, BTW.
I see that his mouthpieces are already saying that you all need to lower your expectations of what to expect out of the Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers, Eric...and he hasn't even re-decorated the Oval Office yet.
Pffft. This is gonna be a pleasure to watch!
Oh, one last thing.
When it comes to sucking an ass, I'll have to defer to your superior experience, Eric. I never contradict an acknowledged expert on matters directly related to his field of expertise.
All I can suggest is that you not go there...problem solved, right?
Swiftee, I don't suck, you suck.
You'll have to go back to only decent thread on here to re-read why CRA is not to blame for this. Freddie and Fannie only bear less than ten percent of what we are being held up and robbed of.
I've discussed with other who, like you, wanted to blame the agencies that deal with the working and middle classes over the investment banks, appraisal businesses and loan originators. The rise of Mortgage Backed Securities and the false sense of their stability was a dominant factor in the fall of the market.
How the republicans got hard working middle America to buck their own economic interest and support the interest of the top 2% of the wealthy is an amazing phenom.
Eric
^^The same thought occurred to me. But Eric is a Democrat, so I just kind of take it for granted.
"Change" Simple slogan for simple minds....works every time.
Hey Swiftee, is it a little like "No New Taxes", while we were being 'fee'd' to death, or on the federal level, we just print more money and run up the debt with the weak dollar.
Obama hasn't been sworn in yet, so he can only be judged on his appointments and his proposals.
Here's the story of what Americans think of him:
Nearly a month after his historic November 4 election, and in the midst of the devastating downturn in the US economy, more than three out of four Americans approve of how Obama has handled his transition so far, according to the USA TODAY/Gallup Poll.
Of his high-profile cabinet appointments, 69 percent to 25 percent approve Obama's pick of his former Democratic nomination rival Hillary Rodham Clinton to be his secretary of state.
By an overwhelming margin, 80 percent to 14 percent of Americans endorse Obama's decision to ask President George W. Bush's defense secretary Robert Gates to keep his post, said the poll.
As negative economic news continues to batter American confidence in the country's financial security, 58 percent to 33 percent said they support Obama's plan for huge spending packages to stimulate the crumbling economy.
By a more than three-to-one margin Americans said they trust Obama to handle the economy better than Bush, who will hand over control to the Democrats on January 20.
Hoping to hit the ground running to stem the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, Obama has opted for many experienced Democratic operatives who last worked in government in the 1990s.
But by a margin of nearly four to one, Americans are not worrying that many of Obama's administration picks worked under president Bill Clinton, with most of them thinking that the appointees will help the incoming team lead more effectively.
The poll, has margin of error of three percent.
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So, you're saying that most of America is of simple minds?
Eric
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