The reckless shooting of Debra Doree
Link to story here
Host Opinion--->
Minnesota State Patrolmen David Kalinoff dived into Debra Doree's automobile in an attempt to stop her from fleeing, he endangered himself and travelers on I94, he recklessly killed Debra Doree. When Mrs. Doree attempted to flee the trooper could have chosen to shoot out the tires of the vehicle disabling it from a high speed chase. Mrs. Doree wasn't a threat to the trooper she was fearful, not thinking and trying to run away. This is the second time this year in Minnesota a law enforcement officer shot and killed a motorist under these circumstances.
There needs to be a change in policy concerning fleeing motorist.
Host Opinion--->
Minnesota State Patrolmen David Kalinoff dived into Debra Doree's automobile in an attempt to stop her from fleeing, he endangered himself and travelers on I94, he recklessly killed Debra Doree. When Mrs. Doree attempted to flee the trooper could have chosen to shoot out the tires of the vehicle disabling it from a high speed chase. Mrs. Doree wasn't a threat to the trooper she was fearful, not thinking and trying to run away. This is the second time this year in Minnesota a law enforcement officer shot and killed a motorist under these circumstances.
There needs to be a change in policy concerning fleeing motorist.
posted by Bob at Wednesday, September 07, 2011
97 Comments:
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So he risked his life to stop a non-violent offender from 'fleeing' and then had to shoot and kill her because SHE put HIS life at risk? WTF?? Don't they have cameras in ALL police cars? Didn't he have her license plate number? Couldn't his department have tracked her down at home or something? How much does this guy make a year? 30k? 40k? 50k? Whatever it is it's not enough to risk your life and become a 'Hero' by killing a non-violent drug offender. If she had killed someone (and it wasn't in self defense), raped a young child or bombed a school I could understand his reasoning but give me a break! Everyday the stupidity multiplies and it is directly proportionate to the increase in population in the world.
Sad, real sad.
Having someone drive off with you partway in and out of the car was a very serious situation.
Cops are not taught to shoot out tires or shoot guns from someone's hand. They are instructed to shoot at body mass and when using a gun.
The cop could have done things differently and so could have this woman.
Why this woman took off is hard to know and we may never know, maybe it was the drugs she had in her car.
Nothing is worth getting yourself killed over these damn drugs.
Prayers go out to her family.
Minnesota's drug wwar policy
"Shoot em on site"
You have to be kidding me!
His arm was stuck in the car the woman was ATTEMPTING TO MURDER HIM by driving away with his body being attached to the car.
He killed her before she killed him.
What planet do you live on? His arm was stuck inside the car. She hits the gas and starts dragging him along. He was extremely lucky to have been able to shoot and kill her so that the car stopped.
WOW.
Its amazing what you see posted here.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck, many people share my opinion.
Once again, my point is the trooper put himself in a situation in which he had no alternative other than to use deadly force. HE PUT HIMSELF AT RISK a risk that ended in the death of Mrs. Doree.
Put yourself in Mrs. Doree's position. You have a large amount of what I assume was meth, your facing a lot of prison time, the fear is over whelming for someone who has never been in trouble. She was thinking irrationally out of control.
Dave, I know you will be reading this, I will pray for you in hopes this incident hasn't reserved you a place in hell.
I have been in shock since this happened, I knew Debbie about 10 years back, she was very easily startled, her husband was abusive when he drank, and I would talk to her in the hallway at our apartment building. I could see her accidentally hitting the gas, and the survival of an abused person just trying to get away. Unless she changed a bunch, this officer's life was never at risk, he could have let go, he didnt have to jump in the window, it all does not make sense, something is not being told!
Another thing, why would hse have pulled over in the first place, if her intent was to flee, something happened in the altercation with the officer, Cause if she knew all those drugs were in the car and in visual site, why wouldnt she have tried to ditch the cop instead of pulling over like a good citizen. My thinking on this is she did not know the drugs were in the car, could have belonged to someone else. she saw them when the officer did and panic'd prob cussing the person that left them there. From a passenger window, hard to get control of a car. Have heard 2 different reports, one where the officers arm got caught in the steering wheel, the bulk of his body had to be in the car for that too happen. Again, it just doesnt add up.
You have to be freaking kidding me!
This woman was intentionally trying to KILL a police officer!
You know G D well when you are driving off with him stuck in the car that the end result will be a dead officer.
She was easily startled???? She was afraid, she was irrational??? What??? Are you all claiming that because she is female she isn't responsible for her actions?
She was attempting in COLD BLOOD to kill that cop to achieve her freedom. She didn't give a damn about his life or his family.
Put myself in her shoes???? Are you kidding Bob every day thousands and thousands of men and women are in her shoes and they don't decide to KILL a police officer.
As to she was facing big time... you must not know much about how much time first offenders get. Because if she was looking at much more than probation as a first offender, I would be stunned. My guess is that she was a mule and was much more concerned about how much money she was losing and who all would be angry with her for losing the dope to the cops then she was afraid of a few days in lock up.
There will be no fairness or justice in this country until women are viewed as equally responsible for their behaviors as men. She was trying to kill him because he was going to arrest her.
That is all there is.
As to the cop putting himself at risk, Bob, he put himself at risk the minute he put on the uniform.
Did he make a mistake when he didn't put her in the back of the squad in the first place? Maybe. Did he take a risk when he dove for the keys and assumed she wasn't a cold blooded murderer? Looks like it. It appears he under estimated how evil she was and in how much danger he was in.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
"This woman was intentionally trying to KILL a police officer"!
No Chuck she was trying to flee a police officer. When acting irrationally people express either a flight or fight response. Clearly Mrs. Doree was in a flight response.
"You know G D well when you are driving off with him stuck in the car that the end result will be a dead officer".
Chuck you can't say for sure this police officer would have died from this incident. I and friends of mine have walked away from motorcycle accident at speeds over 60 mph, sliding down the pavement. You get nasty road burns but it is survivable. Watch motorcycle racing on tv and you will see guys walk away from 150 mph plus crashes. They wear Kevlar similar to a police officers vest.
"She was easily startled???? She was afraid, she was irrational??? What??? Are you all claiming that because she is female she isn't responsible for her actions"?
Nope speaking for myself, that is not what I am claiming Chuck. Ask any cop if he hasn't seen a grown man pee his pants with fear over being arrested. All kind of people can get very irrational over an arrest. Like you say she may have been fearful of the dope man. I do believe Debra should have been allowed to live to be responsible for her actions.
Point is Chuck if that cop hadn't jumped in that car he wouldn't of put himself in a situation in which he felt he had to murder Mrs. Doree to save himself from potential lethal injury.
"She was attempting in COLD BLOOD to kill that cop to achieve her freedom. She didn't give a damn about his life or his family".
There was 2 people on the side of the interstate, the one person at the scene who should of had the ability and professional training to properly control this situation DIDN'T act professionally. His reckless aggressive demeanor put him at risk and he felt he had to murder this woman to get out of the situation he got himself into.
"There will be no fairness or justice in this country until women are viewed as equally responsible for their behaviors as men. She was trying to kill him because he was going to arrest her".
Chuck, you threw the woman factor in here I didn't. I'd feel the same way about this incident if it were a skinhead". Every one's life has immeasurable value to me.
There needs to be a change in policy so our law enforcement officer's aren't putting themselves at risk like this and to save lives.
My sympathy's go out to Scott Doree and Debra's family.
God of power and mercy, you have made death itself the gateway to eternal life. Look with love on our dying sister, and make her one with Your Son in His suffering and death, that, sealed with the blood of Christ, she may come before you free from sin.
Amen.
My condolences to the family
It seems to me that the cop was trying to kill himself. Suicide by fleeing driver is what it was but the cop lost his nerve at the last minute. I think he may have mental health issues.
Story linked above
Scott Doree's brother, Jodie Doree, said the shooting was a tragedy that could have been prevented.
"I personally think this could have been handled differently," said Jodie Doree, who lives in St. Paul. "I just don't see shooting her was the answer. That's my opinion. You're a police officer, you're out protecting, you're doing your job, but my family is very sad, very hurt. She was very close to us."
Family members said Doree was a caring woman who loved her two cats and her nieces and nephews.
"She was a kind, giving, beautiful woman," said Jodie Doree, her brother-in-law. "Our family is in shock. Every year, she would take her own money from her job - that's why I don't understand any of this - and buy Toys for Tots. She was one of the most giving people I've ever met."
Some day Chuck will be in that situation that something will go wrong and Chuck will just lose it and He will come up with the reason of...?
I didn't mean to do it...!
Chuck always defends the government prevaricator, remember Chuck Repke worked for Dave Thune as a aide for Ward 2 City Councilman.
What is that the DFL always say...?
YOU SCARCH MY BACK...!
I'LL SCARCH YOURS...!
My opinion of Chuck is very low, he helped cover the fact that Government funds were being used to buying inferior insulation out of Canada.
How many people are drying slow because the DFL can make some money off of other peoples demise.
9 - 11 - 2001 I lost my home in Ward 2 alter Repke was at the home in 1996 and the cover up just started.
July 19, 1998 Jesse Ventura and Dean Barkley became sick and they both spoke out for Bill Dahn.
200,000 home with 1.51 PPM Formaldehyde and that is murdering people slowly.
Chuck and his new wife a "lawyer" Hmm.
We all know that Lawyers go to school to lean how to Stretch the Truth or Lie better then the next Lawyer can.
Bill Dahn
www.billdahn.com
You know one of the first commands a law enforcement officer has I believe on a routine traffic stop is to order the driver to remove the keys from the ignition. This would have prevented this tragedy.
An investigation into the officers protocal might reveal this to be the case and therefore this officer might be sued for wrongful death.
Jeff Matiatos
Don't we always hear from law enforcement as advice, to never confront those who are armed and would want to rob us and that it's better to give up the loot than to risk serious injury ?
No, cops are not taught to shoot out tires, they are taught to use spike strips to catch fleeing suspects.
This cop chose a dangerous and irregular method of aprhending a suspect and somehow now he trys to justify this killing ?
This cops training should have included instruction that the correct way of aprehending suspects in vehicles are the use of spike strips, a slow speed chase could have resulted in aprehension, the pit manuever would have disabled the vehicle.
I am no police officer but I can tell you that this cop considered non of the above. You have to agree with me Chuck. This cop did not use is training on this one.
A lawyer will be sure to point this out in a wrongful death action.
Jeff Matiatos
Bill, Jeff, Bob, you have no clue about my life and my history.
All I am saying is that to claim that this woman is some innocent victim is pure bull shit.
She appears to be a mule for a drug dealer with a boat load of dope and decides to make a break for it. The Cop dives for the keys and she decides to KILL him rather than stopping.
That is all there is or was to the story.
Did he make a mistake and under estimate in how much danger he was in? Yes. I already agreed.
He appears to have not thought that the woman would try to kill him.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Wrong Chuck. What in this cops training says this cop is to dive for the keys ?
If his arms and hands could even get into the vehicle he might consider opening the door first and removing the suspect.
This cop executed this woman because he simply felt the pain and discomfort of getting his wrist tangled in the steering wheel ? Bullshit. I would like this cop to show just how all this happened on the stand, then I'll get an expert automotive witness to say how unlikley it is that it happened the way he says it did.
This cop is probably as bad as the cops that planted the gun and shot that kid in St.Paul .
I smell a stinken rat here .
I want to see the kind of steering wheel we are talking about here.
I can't think of many steering wheels around where it's possible to get entangled in.
It just seems unlikley.
Seems like a lot of you are taking the side of a drug dealer. Amazing...cannot believe you would rather see a drug dealer alive then the state trooper who was attempting to save not only his life, but those of us all and our children.
I dont see where anyone is taking the side of the drug dealer, what I see is people fearful of our rights as americans and the law given the right to shoot, if officer jumps/reaches into a vehicle from the passenger side and gets entangled in the steering wheel, more than half of their torso would be in the car, if one drove off, the officer would not have been at danger of being killed by the vehicle. Yet still shot her, why not pull into the car since he already made that move, no reason to shoot its reckless on the officer's part of the way he handled the situation, it should not have ended up in death
Were not on the side of the drug dealer.
When law enforcement personel lack the proper insight on just when to use deadly force, it becomes clear they shouldn't even carry a weapon.
Drug dealers as you say, don't deserve a death sentence but that is what you would like to see.
Clearly this woman had no prior criminal history and transported some drugs out of stupidity . Did she deserve to die because of it ?
This troopers story on what happened has it's question marks and it is somewhat far fetched to believe he got tangled in a steering wheel when other methods of arresting the suspect could have been employed but were not.
That is the issue.
Everything is so hard to visualize. I'd like to see a reenactment.
Bob G.
Was there a video of this incident from the troopers car ?
There will be a re-enactment of this in Court as the estate of thw woman will sue the state for wrongful death and rightfully so.
Give me a break, cop vs. drug dealer?????? Who would you rather protect you??? You people who think that the officer was in the wrong are stupid, to say the least. I am sorry the situation got out of hand, sorry for the officer. I am sure he wishes it had ended differently, but a wrongful death lawsuit filed by the family, that would be insane.
1:32, first of all, trooper Dave did not have proof positive there was drugs in the car when he blew Debbie Doree away. And even if he had does the drugs somehow legitimise the shooting of Mrs. Doree? I think not. In your world we would shoot drug dealers on sight.
It wasn't that many years ago our state patrol had a policy of shooting dogs or any other animal that was loose on the highway. After a few shootings the public was outraged. How bout that horse that was loose on the interstate a short time ago, should law enforcement have shoot the horse for our safety?
Motorcyclist in the area have a new game, outrun the state patrol. It is relatively EASY to out run the state patrol. Those Crown Vics do 130 mph tops, the super bikes of today will reach speeds near 200mph. For our safety maybe the state patrol should shoot them dead too?
It is ludacris to make statements like this--> "Give me a break, cop vs. drug dealer?????? Who would you rather protect you??" Nobody here is supporting Debra Doree's actions. The trooper made a reckless decision to shoot Mrs. Doree, she should have been allowed to live to be made responsible for her actions. It was a needless STUPID killing!
There is stupidity in this verbal exchange here but it doesn't lay with those who oppose the shooting. The stupidity is the responsibility of Trooper Dave.
22 indicted in drug-ring case linked to I-94 shooting
I too believe she was so terrified of the circumstances that she didn't stop and. Maybe she was so paranoid being she had not been in trouble before she had no idea what to do. The officer had No right doing what he did. I agree the the previous person that they could have tracked her down instead of causing a possible high speed chase which could have caused so much injury to so many more people. Ms doree was nothing more than a scared rabbit never even thinking that the officer would take such a step as to put his hand in the vehicle. But that's even if that's how it happened. Was his arm stuck or did he realize oh crap, maybe I shouldn't have shot her so this is my story. She did not deserve to die this way nor does she deserve to be bad mouthed like some folks do. Officers are supposed to think before they react. It sounds more like he to got scared and in return did something equally irresponsible the difference is he got paid to train avoiding these situations not causing death to someone that had no weapon. The officer turned the car into a deadly weapon when he threw himself in the vehicle and there should not have been such a terrible outcome to a non violent offender. Maybe she was in more fear of what would happen to her physically by the people that were transporting the drugs in her car. She may have thought she would have less happen for fleeing than being beaten and or murdered for losing
the drugs. Who knows what the entire situation was, but at the same time she didn't deserve to die and be degraded for the officer to try to be a hero. He should have tried to save her rather than kill her. Scott my heart goes out to you in your loss. Only time and the truth will heal your wounds. Take care.
Looks like Trooper Kalinof and other law enforcement had an ongoing criminal investigation OR sting in progress and he pulled her over for some sort of vehicle equiptment violation as part of the operation, not some random stop .
If you read the story in the link, some might just see that things don't look right.
Ok, first we read his arm got caught in the steering wheel and now the stroy changes he got caught up in the door ?
What next ?
You would have to be a freckin idiot if you think Doree had this dope out in the open where the trooper could see it.
The article quotes :
" Kalinoff saw a large amountof " Crystalline white substance " thought to be an illegal drug, in the car. As he was walking back to his squad car to get a consent form for her to sign for a search, she took off.
Kalinoff ran after her car but his arm got hung up on the door and he was dragged 200 feet down the freeway before managing to draw his gun and fire, Federal authorities said Friday.
Ok, Federal authoriteis have said this so if you believe this story you have to say it's half baked.
Why ? First, my understanding is that once he saw what he thought was meth in the open, he had probable cause to detain Doree and confiscate what he saw was drugs, he didn't need to get a consent form.
Second, the report says he was walking back to his squad to get the form when she took off and he ran after the car ( Any car that speeds off is going fast so I guess this cop was a fast runner )
Hoe did he manage to catch up to a speeding car, get inside the vehicle and then later pull his gun and shoot ??? This is about as half baked a story you'll ever see.
Jeff Matiatos
HE MUST BE SUPER MAN...!
NO IT'S SUPER HIGHWAY PATROLMAN...!
BAD COP PULLED A NO NO AND NOW HE HAS TO LIE JUST TO SAVE HIS JOB.
Chuck you think your the brains of the world as you knows it, no way.
Thank You Jeff.
Bill
It was a sting operation, she knew what she was picking up. I still think there was a better way to handle the situation, but I was not there. People/Law Enforcement,and crooks are just too finger happy, people do not value life anymore
http://www.startribune.com/local/east/129993398.html
Jeff and Bill if you go back to the original story it says:
The trooper noticed a large amount of "a white crystalline substance" during their interaction and was investigating when Doree jumped back into her vehicle and tried to flee. The trooper's arm got tangled in the steering wheel as she drove off, and she dragged the trooper approximately 30 yards before he was able to unholster his weapon and shoot her. The trooper received minor injuries.
-snip-
Have you ever been quoted in the paper...? have you ever noticed how things can be condensed and not be usable for the detailed "truth?"
The first stories were clear that he had her out of the car. And as he went to his squad, she went back towards the car. He didn't catch a car that was in motion dough heads... he reached the car as she turned it on and attempted to grab for the keys... she then drives off dragging his body along.
You can't take a story that is not trying to tell you a detailed account of what occurred and assume it has all of the details. Also, just because the news account changes how it phrases things, does not mean that the story has changed. It only means that one writer doesn't want to copy what the other reporter wrote, so, he/she rephrases something. None of the reporters have talked to the cop. They are all reporting off of the same statement that was written at the time and paraphrasing into what sounds good.
Its a newspaper story not a trial.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
What a sad situation. The trooper should be prosecuted for recklous homicide.
I am praying for Debbies family.
Chuck There have been many different first reports, depending which affiliate reported. I have heard from a person close to the situation, that Scott was suppose to make the pick up for the drugs, he was tired so Debbie said she would go. There was a sting operation, so they were watching the car, pulled her over, when they noticed it was her, they asked if she would sign a consent for a search, she said OK, the patrolman started back to the car to get the form, and she took off, he saw and grabbed the outside handle, and his hand got caught, I dont know how that could be right either, where car handles open up and there is not much to hold onto, to get tangled in. She was fleeing and knew why they wanted to search, she also made the decision to pick up the drugs, Scott is now in detained, by the Fed government, he was unable to attend his wifes funeral. The Cop was determined not to let the car out of his site, because that would blow the sting, which stopped 22 people from breaking the law, how they were all involved I dont know. My Opinion The cop's reason for shooting her, wasnt cause he got stuck on anything, he didnt want to give her an opportunity to ditch the drugs and blow the bust. If she had said NO to the search, she would have probably been arrested on a fix it ticket. Lots of Legal things to consider im sure. Sad case, not pro any kinda drug trafficing, but there is still better ways of handling the situation.
Chuck Repke said: at 9:06 AM
Jeff and Bill if you go back to the original story it says:
The trooper noticed a large amount of "a white crystalline substance" during their interaction and was investigating when Doree jumped back into her vehicle and tried to flee. The trooper's arm got tangled in the steering wheel as she drove off, and she dragged the trooper approximately 30 yards before he was able to unholster his weapon and shoot her. The trooper received minor injuries.
"If that is so "Believe it Or NOT...?
NO one would ever leave anything in the open, even a Can of Beer or a Pint of Booze would be stashed and "this Patrolman" seen it just sitting there in plain view...!
SURE Chuck, Do You and the Other DFL'er think WE believe such Bull Shit?
Anything out of the mouths of Government's People I and Others know after The Deal with Ramsey Action Program Putting in "Formaldehyde Soaked Insulation" in 200,000 homes in Minnesota,
remember in 1998 even Jesse Ventura and Dean Barlkey were involved after they got sick in one of the 200,000 homes.
So again I say anything out of the mouth of anyone on the spot like this SUPERCOP and they are above the law.
They always carry a throw down GUN to protect their asses, right people...!
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You’ve seen it in the movies and on television; you’ve read about it in numerous crime novels. A cop mistakenly kills a suspect he or she thought was armed. It’s a cop’s worse nightmare. Then, to cover their mistake, the cop plants a throw-down gun on or near the suspect.
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Here's one Bill
"throw down" definition from Double-Tongued Dictionary
throw down
n. evidence, especially a weapon, planted by police on a suspect or at a crime scene.
Citations: 1993 Usenet: talk.politics.misc (Mar. 5) “Re: What the media isn’t saying about events in Waco”: This has been a major embarrassment for the BATF. They would need to prove what they claim just to save face. Just like a cop carrying a “throw-down.” It happens.
1996 New Orleans Times-Picayune (La.) (Apr. 21) “Accused Cop Has Record Of Larceny” p. B1: “It’s a Saturday night special, judge,” Barrett said. “It’s not a mystery that a gun with no serial numbers is used by criminals. It’s used as a throw-down.”
1997 Sydney P. Freedberg Miami Herald (Oct. 3) “Third Cop Arrested In Miami Gun Case” p. B1: Police in Miami arrest narcotics Detective Jorge Castello, third officer connected with “throw down” case, on charges of lying about shooting of homeless man Daniel Hoban who allegedly pointed gun at officers.
2000 David Klinger (NPR) (Feb. 15) “Talk of the Nation: Analysis: Growing problem of police misconduct and its impact on effective policing”: I know I didn’t carry it and I know that nobody that I ever worked with—and I went to the academy in 1980 and hit the streets in 1981.
Nobody had a throw-down gun.…if you don’t know the difference between a backup gun and a throw-down, you have no business talking on this show, sir.…If we were all carrying these throw-down weapons, we would have been planting guns instead of saying, “Yep, I made a mistake.” 2002 Bill Hewitt, Siobhan Morrissey, Steve Ellman, Kristin Harmel @ Miami, Fla. People Magazine (May 6) “Federal prosecutors charge that rogue cops called the Jump Out Boys rode roughshod over Miami”: According to the indictments, the cops lied, used excessive force and planted evidence—so-called “throw-down guns”— at crime scenes, 2002 Stefano Esposito News Tribune (Tacoma, Wash.) (July 5) “Controversy dogs Ruston police chief”: He also said Reinhold showed some city employees a handgun he called a “throw-down piece,” a weapon he would plant at the scene if an officer shot an unarmed suspect.
2003 Bill Muller Arizona Republic (Feb. 21) “‘Dark Blue’ A Black Eye For Cops And Cop Films” p. P4: Later in the movie, Perry orders Keough to shoot a suspect—unarmed, of course—with Perry’s gun and lie about it yet again. Because they tossed a throw-down weapon at the guy’s feet, the extra subterfuge hardly seems worth the effort.
2005 William C. Lhotka St. Louis Post-Dispatch (Mo.) (Mar. 4) “Ex-officer is sentenced in shooting”: Prosecutor John Quarenghi hinted throughout the trial that Zeigler had the dope in the black bag to use as a “throw down”—street language for planting evidence on a suspect.
Chuck
How about the
so-called “throw-down Guns,Dope
OK Chuck, we will just believe you and to hell with any kind of a trial or investigation. In your world, what the press says is the Gods honest truth.
Jeff Matiatos
Ok Chuck, you want to know what cops are capable of see the report just now of two police officers charged with murder for beating to death a homeless non armned man in California.
Every cop that kills an unarmed person needs to be investigated and shame on you for rushing to judgment excusing this officer before an investigation is concluded.
You seem content on relying on inaccurate media reports just as you see fit even when those reports conflict.
Jeff Matiatos
Welcome back Jeff.
Sandy
Couldn't the officer in this situation used a laser stun gun versus killing to get her to stop the car? I am not sure but I think they all carry them.
Also there seems to be a more than usual amount of officers killing suspects/offenders, is there a statistics that shows the average police related killings per year in MN to compare the year to date with?
To bad Eric, feel so bad your democrats and Obama are on the way out. TY Sandy
Jeff Matiatos
A Golden Valley police officer shot and killed an armed motorist
Killing Women Motorist
One thing is we can't bring these two women back to their families and friends who love and know them. this just might become a Men-Cops Killing Women, they may have "Hate their Mother Syndrome".
Why do some people what to be in the police system anyway?
So they can have the authority to push and torment others, like they were pushed around as kids and Hate people that reminds them of the ones that made their life a living hell as kids.
"FLASH" soon we will be reading the paper about people like Bill Dahn Shot and Killed just for being a Whistle Blower on Government.
Good Cop -- BAD COP >>>> BAD Politician's -- Good Politician's ,
There is NO Such Thing as a "GOOD" Politician, Just BAD.
This is a Good Time for Bill Dahn to announce his candidacy for Attorney General 2014.
Remember I'm one of US!
Not one of Them!
Because we can...!
I started telling these people in Government from 1995 -- and for the past 16 years I've been asking the Attorney General and its Staff for help.
Yes they helped cover up for some Non Profit Company funded by the Federal Government, one was Ramsey Action Program - aka - RAP >>> aka - Community Action Program. Bill Dahn spoke out to all fazes of Government, just to get my life threaten with a St.Paul Police officers gun at the back of my head while they had me face down on the floor after they Kicked In my back door and rushed in with GUNS OUT.
All this because I would not shut up about BAD Insulation RAP installed in 200,000 low income peoples homes in Minnesota.
Government did shut their mouths after Jesse The Body Ventura became quite sick in My home and He talked about it on KSTP 1500 AM, how his eyes, nose and throat was burning and nausea within 20 minutes at 256 W. Morton St. in St.Paul.MN. Bill Dahn's home.
Killing women is getting to easy and they say they were arm or dope in plain sight?
Commissioner Directs NYPD To Stop Improper Marijuana Arrests ...
... Marijuana Could Prevent PTSD Symptoms: Medical Study. 2 ... and ordered his officers not to arrest people for marijuana if it's not in plain sight. ...
Could the New York City Police Department finally be onboard with marijuana decrim, 34 years later?
NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly issued an internal order this week commanding officers to follow existing New York state law by ending arrests for possession of small amounts of marijuana - as long as the marijuana was never in public view. The order does not change the law itself, but simply instructs officers to comport with the law. This could result in tens of thousands fewer marijuana arrests annually in New York City.
St.Paul and Minnesota should do the same.
St.Paul would never allow that, where would the cops get there dope.
If there is dope in plain sight it would be Probable cause , the officer doesn't need a consent form to search the car.
What Is Probable Cause?
Probable cause must be based on factual evidence, and not just on suspicion.
Billy D
Chuck, lets assume this trooper knows the law about searching a car based on probable cause. Now this is the law on searching a vehicle without a consent or warrant :
A police search conducted without a warrant is presumptviley unreasonable and therefore unconstitutional State vs. Munson 594 n.w.2d 128 at 135.
The automobile exception to this rule permits a warrentless search if the search is supported by probable cause United States vs. Ross 456 u.s. 798.
Probable cause is defined as " a fair probability that contraband or evidence of a crime will be found in a particular place State vs, Wiley 366 n.w.2d 265.
So Chuck, this trooper, having saw what he believed was drugs did not need to get a consent form so one has to question why he claims he went back to his car to get a form when he didn't need one.
But since this is his story, what I think really happened is that he shot this woman in a scenario different than what he claims.
He needed to say he chased after the car to support the claim he got caught in the steering wheel, then the door because his story puts him chasing a car that was speeding away but super trooper here is an Olympic runner and can run faster than a speeding bullet. I mean car, sorry Lol .
I would try this guy in a civil court if not criminal for the death of this woman.
Jeff Matiatos
Sorry Billy D, your a little wrong there but nice try.
Jeff,
Again from the Trib story...
"During the course of the traffic stop, the officer saw a large amount of "a crystalline white substance," thought to be an illegal drug but not positively identified, in the car, said Drew Evans, a senior special agent with the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA), who was also at the news conference. The woman had been asked to step out of her Hyundai, but jumped back into it and tried to flee.
When the officer, a 12-year veteran of the State Patrol, reached in the car to try to get her to stop, his arm became entangled in the steering wheel, and he was dragged along for "a significant distance," Langer said, perhaps 200 feet. The trooper managed to reach his weapon and shot the driver.
She was taken to Regions Hospital, where she died. The trooper was treated for injuries to his wrist, arm and knees, and released. He has been placed on paid leave, which is standard practice after police shootings."
It still sounds to me like you are insane Jeff. The story is that he had her out of the car, as she gets back into the car he heads back to the car, while she is starting the car he reaches the car, he grabs for the keys or wheel BEFORE THE CAR IS MOVING, she gets the car going and the TRIES TO KILL HIM!! Attempting to commit murder to escape. She drags him along, he grabs for his gun and saves his life by killing the person who is trying to murder him.
Its not that complicated.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Sounds to me like he should have let the lady go for his own safety instead of letting himself get dragged.
Nobody has ever gotton tangled in a steering wheel or door before, it's a bullshit story.
Remember Chuck, you can't believe everything you read or do you ?
She was trying to get away not kill him. You need proof that she was trying to kill him and getting stuck in a steering wheel or car door seems more accidental doesn't it Chuck ?
I don't believe a dam word in the media and lets investigate the situation and let a Grand Jury decide if that be the case.
Jeff Matiatos
People shouldn't kill others Chuck because a cop doesn't know the right way to conduct a routine traffic stop in the midsts of a sting operation.
Because this was actually a sting operation, we must presume that this trooper, who was privey to information that this vehicle was part of it, now has more reason than ever to cover his tracks.
Neithher of us can say for certain what really happened because we have only the word of the trooper and seems there were no other witnesses which seems kind of odd because of where it happened unless there actually were and their names are not being released.
The way people stop and Gauck at these types of things makes me wonder about witnesses and the media never said there weren't any.
It's half baked as far as I can tell.
Jeff Matiatos
Jeff,
I am sure there will be an investigation and there should be. This happened in broad daylight, I am guessing somebody saw if he was being dragged by the car, or was stuck in the window, or anything that put him in a situation where he was going to die because of this woman's actions.
Nobody has yet stepped up and said that wasn't the case, that the car was parked and he shot her. Because that is the only other alternative to his story. You can try to play games with the story, but either the car was moving with him attached to it in some way or the car was parked. If it was parked, he should go to jail. If it was moving and he was attached to it, he shot her to save his life.
Did he make a mistake to get himself in this situation? Of course, I said that before. If she was a man, he would have had her up against the car, put in cuffs and thrown in the back of the squad the second he saw any shit.
But, he left her standing by the car... he didn't see her as a potential killer. When she went to get back into the car, he tried to stop her... he didn't see her as a potential killer. When she was in the car, he went for the key, he didn't see her as a potential killer. And then she tried to kill him.
Or, as you believe, for no reason, he walked to the side of the car and blew her brain out and claimed that she was trying to leave.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
I have heard there were witnesses, and that the vehicle did not move any 200 ft, only a few feet before they heard the gunshots. Also heard where it was the rear right passenger door he was hanging onto and got caught into. Have heard she had not gotten out of the car or had been asked to get out. The officer was going to get a consent form, she started drving away and he grabbed on, common sense says if the car is moving unless you are the 6 million dollar man or the bionic woman could you stop it. so stupidity on the officer's part, no different than holding onto the wheel of a plane trying to keep it on the ground. Plain as day he hurt himself, she did nothing to endanger him, he shot cause of his own stupidity, maybe fear of screwing up. so he murdered her.
Seems illogical that in the time it takes for a copt to draw his weapon and fire, he could have evacuated the car by then. I suppose he says he got flash welded to the door once the car took off !!!!
Heres the problem, you got the government investigating the government. Sounds fair don't it Chuck ?
Good point 1:56, if we try to
re-create the scene as the trooper describes it, we can see that it was in fact possible to get out of the vehicle instead of shooting the driver .
Wreckless homicide to say the least.
do you think if there was no Methamphetamine in town there would be numerous cops and politicians in line for drug treatment.
comment 5
You have to be kidding me!
His arm was stuck in the car the woman was ATTEMPTING TO MURDER HIM by driving away with his body being attached to the car.
He killed her before she killed him.
What planet do you live on? His arm was stuck inside the car. She hits the gas and starts dragging him along. He was extremely lucky to have been able to shoot and kill her so that the car stopped.
WOW.
Its amazing what you see posted here.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke 10:35 PM
Cops don't suppose to put their life on the line like he did chuck, as she was driving away he jumped into the car. He should have known better then that, he was trained for all situations.
Some time you stick up for the wrong people Chuck
By the trouper putting his life on the line he also put other driver on the highway in danger.
The bullet could have mist Debra Doree and hit someone in the area.
Chuck said in his post at 12;08 am
It still sounds to me like you are insane Jeff.
Chuck If some one doesn't agree with you and your fellow dfl people you try to label them as insane or mentally unbalanced.
shame on you and you do not have a doctor degree to back up your words.
Why do you mud sling like you do.
Wow...
OK, I have agreed that the cop shouldn't have put himself in that situation. But that does not excuse Doree from attempting to kill him. It just doesn't.
The issue on extracting himself from the car is, if he is stuck in the car as he says, you can't get leverage to change your position. If it is his arm stuck in the steering wheel as has been suggested and the car gets moving faster than he can run and he falls and his arm is still stuck then there is no way to extract yourself from the car until your arm is ripped out of your shoulder or until you legs are ground off and you bleed to death....
His only option at that point is to shoot her to stop the car.
There is nothing DFL or GOP about this situation and the cop was a state trooper not a city cop.
I am as concerned as anyone about police actions and accountability, but left or right nobody can be excused when they try to kill a cop. And, that is what she was doing and she knew it or should have known that she was putting his life in jeopardy.
And, 9:56 you are correct I don't know for sure that Jeff is insane... he could be just joking...
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
She DID not try to Kill the officer, it was not her intent. Her intent was to get away, probably fear from her husband beating the shit out of her when she came home, for losing the drugs. I do not condone the Drugs, that was wrong!! it was a sting operation, the officer knew there was drugs in the car, the Officer did not want to be the one to blow the sting and lose the drugs. He was caught on the back passenger door if anyone would take the time to read recent reports. the story has changed. I am all for reenactment. I have why's!!
1. Why did he not ask her to get out of the car and get into the squad car to sign the paper - (Officer Error)
2.Why did he grab onto a car that was driving away, how in hell did he expect to keep it from moving (Officer error)
3. Who put his life in jeopardy - He did (Officer Error)
4. Who put the life of many driving down Hwy 94 at the time in jeopardy (the Officer...oops Officer error)
Doree's Error, trying to flee, transporting drugs, which after a judge and jury, might have been 30 years, 15 with good behavior. First offense probably less.
Officer ERROR decided to take the law into his own hands, being the officer, judge and jury. Sentencing Debra Doree to the Death Penalty. He is guilty of Murder! He put his own life in jeopardy and Murdered. Lock him up!
4:03 hit the nail on the head Chuck. You coming aboard or are you still thinking about sending the officer a get well card ?
Jeff Matiatos
No Jeff,
What 4:03 misses is that when she is driving with the officer attached to her car she knows that she is GOING TO KILL HIM. That is the bottom line.
I already said the errors I thought he made. One of my first statements was:
"Did he make a mistake when he didn't put her in the back of the squad in the first place? Maybe. Did he take a risk when he dove for the keys and assumed she wasn't a cold blooded murderer? Looks like it. It appears he under estimated how evil she was and in how much danger he was in."
But, none of that excuses her actions, which is what lead to her death. Once he decided that he didn't think she was a murderer (and he was wrong, I will grant you that) she decided to KILL HIM.
Her actions were just as deliberate as when he saved his life by taking his gun out and shooting her.
She was trying to kill him, he was saving his life.
As to 4:03's points
1, correct he did
2, wrong, there is no way that he catches a moving car... not superman... clearly he had to have reached the car before she had it moving
3, wrong, she did, she started the car
4, wrong, she did, she started the car
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck - current reports, he grabbed the back passenger door after she started to move, excuse me I dont know about you, but that area is my blindspot when driving. Stupid to grab a car that is moving
Chuck, when a person knows their going to kill someone, the law defines that as pre-meditated murder. Pre-meditation is not evident here. If the BCA is investigating, I wonder how fair this is going to be. The Star Tribune reported the officer being caught in the steering wheel and this also according to the BCA which is investigating. However, since the BCA came out and made a statement to this affect, and now it's reported differently, how will the BCA look at this now ? Seems like the BCA was in a rush to report inaccurate events so we really shouldn't trust the BCA either to report the truth.
It's all Fd up.....
Jeff Matiatos
OK someone give me the link to where anyone has said that he was stuck to a rear passenger door... "your blind spot"
I am dying to see that story, link...
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck
According to the District Attorneys office, " Kalinoff ran after the car but became hung up on the passenger side door, the attorneys office says. He was dragged about 200 feet before shooting Doree " .
This is from KSTP.COM, the Maplewood/ Oakdale/ North St.Paul news.
So, how does one get tangled in a steering wheel from the passenger side of the car ? How does one get caught in a door ?
Chuck your out of your mind !!!
Jeff Matiatos
Was he caught on the door or tangled in the steering wheel Chuck ?
Do the laws of logical reasoning cease to exists in your brain ???
The contradictory reports and changed stories should cause the BCA to do an extensive investigation and to re-enact the event as it unfolded as told by the trooper and as reported by the corresponding county attorneys and federal authorities who made statements saying what happened.
Red flags all over the place here that demands that a Grand Jury convene.
And this report from KARE 11 says:
"The State Patrol says the trooper tried to stop the woman and was dragged 200 feet with his body hanging out of the window before he shot Doree to stop the vehicle."
My point Jeff was that 4:03 and 12:41 said that he was in her blind spot... the guy stuck inside he car screaming at her is in her blind spot!!!
Again, the exact words in press reports that keep changing does not mean that a story is changing only that writers are creative. And I thought we agreed that he would have to have been superman to catch a moving car... so...
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
The report says that the trooper walked back to his car to get a consent form, the car took off.
" Kalinoff ran after the car " so I guess the car just krept away like a snail huh Chuck ?
Whick causes me to pause and think gee, If the car sped off and the trooper " ran " after it, he must have been some distance away from the car in the first place and how the hell did he manage to catch a car that had sped off ?
You starting to see it now Chuck ?
Jeff Matiatos
I think we can expect the BCA to "sandbag" Patrolmen David Kalinoff story.
Sandy
I'll concede the fact Chuck that this officer was able to catch the car from whatever distance because obviousley, in order to shoot her it had to be at close range.
But when the officer made the choice to get into a moving vehicle, he must have known there was a chance he could be dragged and therefore put at substancial risk for injury due to HIS decision to jump in to a moving vehicle. The woman did not tell the officer to jump in through the window of the vehicle or grab a steering wheel. Grabbing a steering wheel in an attempt to subdue the vehicle could have forced the vehicle into on coming traffic that was moving at 55 plus miles per hour.
So was this troopers actions wreckless ? Of course they were and so was the shooting.
Jeff Matiatos
The big question that needs to be answered was did this cop use his police training and better judgement when he did what he did ? Under the circumstances I would say not.
I am not a fan of Grand Jurys because they are entirely secret and the jurys are not screened for bias, and are rarely read instruction on law as normal jurors are.
It's the prosecutor running the show and in Minnesota, it's very liberal in favor of state employees like police.
There is a good chance ( if the stories continue to change ) that if the family brings a wrongful death, this officer may be convicted in a civil court.
Only problem is, the family probably has no money for which to pursue it and how many attorneys would be willing to do it, there is no monetary gain for them.
So, was the officers actions wreckless by jumping through the window of the vehicle to grab a steering wheel to subdue a moving car ?
Could the officers actions have caused the car to veer into traffic that was moving at 55 plus miles per hour therefore endangering the lives of other motorists YES !!!
Was the shooting of Debra Doree wreckless and uncalled for ? YES !!
Jeff Matiatos
If the family files a wrongful death it may be possible to get monetary damages.
Jeff Matiatos
Chuck here is the link and the part of the article
http://roseville-falconheights.kstp.com/news/news/104757-22-indicted-drug-bust-tied-fatal-shooting
Debra Doree was stopped for a traffic violation on I-94 around 1:30 p.m. Sept. 3. She was the subject of a narcotics investigation, and it was believed that she may be transporting drugs, according to the District Attorney’s Office.
According to the District Attorney’s Office, Doree agreed to sign a consent form allowing Kalinoff to search her vehicle, but when Kalinoff walked back to his car to get the form, she drove off.
Kalinoff then ran after the can but became hung up on the passenger side door, the attorney’s office says. He was dragged about 200 feet before shooting Doree.
Amen, sure sounds like blind spot to me
12:30 read that again... its the passenger side door... he is inside the car...front seat passenger side and she is driving away.
Again, you have to be careful how you read these things. There is no way in hell unless he is superman that he is in his car, gets out and chases after her and catches her, if the car is driving away while he is running. I don't believe for a second that is his story or what was said, it is however, what is writen. I mean we don't even have "District Attorneys" in Minnesota we have County Attorneys. So, if you are going to go by every word you read, it was an imaginary person that spoke to KSTP.
There has been NO reports that he was caught on a rear door (blind spot). The only thing that isn't clear is was the passenger side door open and he is being dragged on the ground or is he in the window. It has not been clear from what has been said as to that.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
I dont agree with you chuck, it states,
Kalinoff then ran after the can but became hung up on the passenger side door, the attorney’s office says.
He got hung up on the side passenger door, if you were walking away from talking to someone through a passenger window, it would take a few seconds for the car to start (if he had told her to shut it off other mistakes, not having her get out of the car altogether) and for him to run back, chasing the car, he would grab onto the first thing he could that would either be the passenger door handle first, puts him in her blindspot dragging him first, I havent read anything more on it yet, but I am willing to bet, that she was shot when the vehicle moved the 90ft first reported, the vehicle kept moving the remaining 110 ft after she was shot, so a lot not right in all the reports.
LMAO - United States Attorney for the District of Minnesota. is the same as saing the District Attorney's Office, shorter saying it the way that it was reported. So keep trying.
My main concern for all this, is anyone can be pulled over for a fix it ticket, over the speed limit, etc. simple offenses, we must treat the officer with respect and act right, the officer should be incontrol of the situation at all times, it is what I expect from law enforcement. Shooting someone that was pulled over on a equipment offence is uncalled for, if he knew there was the possiblity of drugs, he should have asked her to get out of the car through the passenger door immediately and had her in his squad for questioning, and signing the form. I have seen it done for speeding tickets etc. to avoid standing out on the freeway. Mistakes on the officer's part caused it.
So, this was KARE 11 story:
"Around 1:40 p.m., the state trooper pulled over the vehicle Doree was driving in the westbound lanes of I-94 in Oakdale. The trooper was on the passenger's side of the car when the woman began driving off.
The State Patrol says the trooper tried to stop the woman and was dragged 200 feet with his body hanging out of the window before he shot Doree to stop the vehicle."
The picture on the site shows the both the front and back side doors open with the window closed on the rear passenger side door.
Maybe they closed it just to make my story sound good....
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
...and from the Stillwater Paper:
Kalinoff, who has been with the state patrol for 12 years, pulled Doree over for an equipment violation on westbound Interstate 94 in Woodbury between Interstate 694 and Century Avenue, Langer said.
He had asked her to get out of the vehicle, which is not uncommon practice during a traffic stop, Langer said, but at one point she got back inside her vehicle in an attempt to flee.
Kalinoff, trying to stop her from driving off, reached in through the passenger side window at the same time Doree took off, he said.
“Under rapid acceleration, the trooper became hung up halfway inside the vehicle, halfway outside the vehicle and fired his service weapon as he was being dragged down the highway,” Langer said.
-snip-
This one again would suggest she was out of the vehicle and he caught up to it and reached in through the window for the keys and then she drove off.
Which is the only story that makes any real sence.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Opinions and stories are the same CHUCK, everybody has a different one.
I call government Fucking ass holes, Dick Suckers, Thieves, Killers, Dope Dealers, Bbribers, Extortionist, Heartless, and everything I can think of xcepted Good.
That is because I dealt with people like Chuck Repke, Dave Thune, Norm Coleman, Kathy Landtry, Sandy Papass, Bill Finney, and many other DEMOCRATS St.Paul and Minnesota.
SEE My opinion is different then Chucks but close to Bob's and Jeff's and 2/3 of the people.
Does that make my opinion right...?
How about Jesse and his co fuck up and Lawyer Dean Barkley...?
Can we trust our Governors, No because they are just People with their own opinion, and opinions are like...?
YouTube - JESSE VENTURA AND DEAN BERKLEY BRIBING BILL DAHN TO CHANGE POLITICAL PARTIES
Bill Dahn who...?
Who's Story is right?
Chuck, here is another article right fromt the DEA
On September 3, 2011, Debra Doree, the wife of defendant Scott Wayne Doree, was fatally shot by a Minnesota State Trooper, when she attempted to flee a law enforcement stop in Oakdale. According to the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (“BCA”), the trooper stopped Doree for a traffic violation on Interstate-94 at approximately 1:30 p.m. At the time, the trooper had information that Doree, a subject of an active multi-jurisdictional narcotics investigation, may be transporting drugs.
The BCA states that once she was stopped by the trooper, Doree agreed to sign a consent form, allowing the trooper to search her vehicle. As the trooper walked back to the law enforcement vehicle to retrieve the consent form, Doree drove off. The trooper ran after the car and became hung up on the passenger side door. Then, while being dragged about 200 feet down the freeway, the trooper fired his weapon, striking Doree. Medics transported Doree to Regions Hospital, where she later died.
Again I think she was afraid of the search knowing her husband was trafficing, her options, try to flee from the search or be beat on by her husband. The trooper ran after the car, (I still have no clue how he expected to catch it, he put himself in danger)
http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/states/newsrel/2011/chicago092011.html
LINK ABOVE
I am guessing that the Feds are not a part of the investigation of the shooting... that would be a county attorney that would be doing that and that the information from the DEA is just quoting some other press release.
Again, if you guys believe that he ran 55 miles an hour from sitting in his squad to catching a moving vehicle on the freeway, well then more power to you.
I tend to believe that he saw her going back to the car, ran to the passenger side window... while she was starting the car and dove in for the keys.
Otherwise it isn't possible for him to be half in and out of the vehicle unless he flew there.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
too much unknown, we do not know it if the car was running, we do not know where on the vehicle he grabbed, we dont know the distance he was from the car when she hit the gas, all those things take part in the decision. Still why not a stun gun, why shoot in the head, except to kill (oops heard that verbally from someone that knew her so never made the paper)
We are all dead if we ever go against the norm, our life isn't worth two cents to a fellow officer who snitched about a crime in the ranks.
Hey that's just like on the streets, Just keep your mouth shut.
OK WHATS NEXT
What was that about the cops shooting a handicap girls support dog in St.Paul, next their will be shooting peoples cats
Alert! keep your pets out of the windows, next they will be shooting goldfish
I heard it was ruled in favor of the Police officer, has anyone heard any details?
conspiracy it so happens the officers video camera is not on.
he murdered a drug dealer
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