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I guess we know what side of the line I am on. I stand with the Tea Party!
Anyone else care to step over the line and stand with the Tea Party?
The American side.
The Constitution side.
The winning side.
Look up Confederacy to see what happened a large segment of gun lovers tried to take on the federal government. You don't have that right.
Eric
I don't believe anyone has any plans to over throw the government with arms Eric. Tea Party is a patriotic grass roots movement.
An honorable grassroots movement.
Grassroots lol
AstroTurf is more like it.
Any organization that is put together by some of the nations largest lobbying firms, is not grassroots Bob.
There is nothing unusual, new or different about groups that complain about taxes. What is unusual about this group is that it has been created by the very lobbyist that have given massive tax cuts to the wealthiest people that has resulted in the increasing burden on the middle class.
Its a shell game.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
The Tea Party is not DFL or GOP.
they are more like Libertarians
Call it whatever you want to but lots of people are tired of the same old BS from the same old parties........Dems and Repubs. They're out of toucjh and clueless. Kinda like Eric and Chuck. They don't see the train coming down the track that's going to run them down. It's time for people like Lazaryan (as kooky as she is) to take control and send these professional liars and thieves packing. Tared and feathered would be appropriate.
Oh and by the way Eric......the Federal government DOES NOT have "that right" either. They don't have nay rights. They're nothing more than hired help who are supposed to do what we tell them to do. In November we are going to make sure they get that message loud and clear.
The Tea Party is a creation of the Republican corporatists. They are wholly owned by Wall Street and WashingtonDC, and led by unAmerican racists.
Notice how they advocate for things that will on stregthen the corporations and Wall Street.
Last week they stood against wall street and banking reform-just as the bankers wanted them too.
Currently they are stand against energy reform and more regulation, just like the oil and coal companies financed them too.
Even as health care costs were doubling while covering less and less, they fought against health reform.
They cry about the stimulus but, their elected leaders are the first ones to stand in front of a camera to take credit for getting the money to the state and the governors (Like Tea Bagger Rick Perry Governor of Texas) use it to balance their state budgets.
I won't go into the ignorance (get the government out of my social security!) or ethnic/racial callousness (The American Taxpayers Are The Jews For Obama's Oven).
The good news is that their candidates will be the reason Democrats stay in control. That is, if their candidates can make it out of the Republican primaries. Republicans are getting a sense of this and starting to work hard in primaries to defeat those tea candidates.
And Miss 10:07, the question for the right of succession and insurrection was answered clearly in 1865. You are far too stupid to have a discussion with.
Eric
Nancy Lazaryan said...
The Tea Party is not DFL or GOP. they are more like Libertarians
8:33 PM.
Maybe in the mind of the Libertarians but in every single case they run for office as Republicans.
There national faces are republicans- Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin. There special guests at events are current Republican leaders (Eric Cantor, John Boehner).
Their finances come from Republican and corporate lobbying interests and firms (Freedom Works, Koch family, Americans for Prosperity).
Those organizations have some of the biggest Washington lobbyists and insiders in the last 20 years (fmr GOP Speaker Newt Gingrinch, fmr GOP Majority Ldr Dick Armey, Super lobbyist Tim Phillips).
Google all of that and see for yourself.
This movement is one of the great hoodwinks in American history. A group of elites figured they could tap into the mostly white anger and anxiety to fire people up against the government.
Eric
-Oh and just for fun, google Koch family finances and read how they made their money. The irony is too sweet.
Welcome Back Nancy Lazaryan, You andyour expertise have been missed.
http://www.house.gov/sites/members/tx10_mccaul/pdf/Investigaions-Border-Report.pdf
The Roots of Stalin in the Tea Party Movement
The Koch family, America's biggest financial backers of the Tea Party, would not be the billionaires they are today were it not for the godless empire of the USSR.
April 17, 2010 |
The Tea Party movement's dirty little secret is that its chief financial backers owe their family fortune to the granddaddy of all their hatred: Stalin's godless empire of the USSR. The secretive oil billionaires of the Koch family, the main supporters of the right-wing groups that orchestrated the Tea Party movement, would not have the means to bankroll their favorite causes had it not been for the pile of money the family made working for the Bolsheviks in the late 1920s and early 1930s, building refineries, training Communist engineers and laying down the foundation of Soviet oil infrastructure.
The comrades were good to the Kochs. Today Koch Industries has grown into the second-largest private company in America. With an annual revenue of $100 billion, the company was just $6.3 billion shy of first place in 2008. Ownership is kept strictly in the family, with the company being split roughly between brothers Charles and David Koch, who are worth about $20 billion apiece and are infamous as the largest sponsors of right-wing causes. They bankroll scores of free-market and libertarian think tanks, institutes and advocacy groups. Greenpeace estimates that the Koch family shelled out $25 million from 2005 to 2008 funding the "climate denial machine," which means they outspent Exxon Mobile three to one.
LOL! Eric is getting "the truth" beamed into his brain through his tin foil hat! Teh Koch is coming to get us!!
But listen fool, save your stinking racist talking points for the DFL rally...we're sick of it.
1/2 of the country has evolved to where they can see MLK's dream....the rest are still Democrats, divying the country up into race and gender based tribes.
It's sickening.
So predictable are small minded and small weenied. Swift attacks where he and his party is the weakest.
I don't remember the racist part but since you brought it up, your side is the one who gives comfort to the racists. They know by supporting Republicans they are less likely to run into racial minorities and gays.
You seem like you need a list:
* Republicans invented and successfully implemented the Southern Strategy.
* Republicans (along with many Dixiecrats who would later join the GOP) opposed the Civil Rights Act and other civil rights measures.
* Republicans invented the concept of the "welfare queen" and successfully achieved the demonization of welfare recipients (who were always portrayed as black and often portrayed as female).
* Willie Horton anyone?
* Republicans are the party of strong anti-immigration sentiments.
* Republicans have led the way in anti-muslim rhetoric.
* Republicans have created many code words (states' rights, etc.) to talk about race without actually talking about race.
* There's Trent Lott's entire existence.
* Jesse Helms'entire existence (that was a good ad, you know, the one with the hands?).
* Of course there's Rush Limbaugh, your biggest voice on the Right
* Then there's Michael Savage
* And Bill O' Reilly.
* And how could we forget FAUX NEWS?
* Republicans were slow to act and quick to blame the victim in Hurricane Katrina.
* The 2008 election found conservatives using anti-muslim, "suspicious foreigner," and generally racist language and imagery to describe Barack Obama.
* Republican politician Chip Saltsman distributed copies of the song Barack the Magic Negro to members of the Republican National Committee.
* Conservatives believe that lending to minorities caused the subprime crisis.
* Recently several conservatives have stated that Obama is purposefully hurting the economy to justify "forced reparations."
* There's the recent rise of segregationist Republican Senator Jeff Sessions (current ranking member on the Senate Judiciary Committee).
* Many conservatives have made racist statements about swine flu and Mexicans (or immigrants in general).
* And most recently, conservative author Byron York wrote that the opinions of black people shouldn't be included when measuring Obama's popularity.
Too many links. You just yelp out at the ones that confuse that shiney dome of yours.
And while you're at it, what minority group in America supports the Republican party overwhelmingly or even consistently besides the Vietnamese Americans?
None. I wonder why? Naw, not really, I already know.
Eric
Oh, and it doesn't change the fact that the Tea Party is an invention of Republican leaders and corporate lobbyists.
Oh,they don't have a racial problem at all
Just ask one of their leaders
Whatever.
Eric
7:28 PM Eric Whatever?
Dave Thune protesting the Republican National Convention and he called the other protester "Anarchists"!
This is how our DFL - Democrat is the same Dave Thune that sent a email to the Selby Av.Bar owner and used languages that started all the New and talk programs say Thune is unbecoming a public servant.
News men were saying that Thune should be fired for unbecoming a civil servnt.
Dave might be ousted come next election for council seats.
10:59 PM said News men were saying that Thune should be fired for unbecoming a civil servant.
He hasn't been trying hard to help the people of ward 2 or maybe he's more interested in the graft he pulls in.
I don't worry over anarchists.
I worry over hate and people who scapegoat others for their own failings, shortcomings and ignorance.
Racists who rally the ignorant around faux patriotism while filling their pockets with the money of the corporations and elite are the kind of people that have brought nations down.
That statement is way above the average person here so, this ends the debate. Its been several days and I've supplied ample evidence and the response is nothing. Next topic.
Eric
e American side.
The Constitution side.
The winning side.
Look up Confederacy to see what happened a large segment of gun lovers tried to take on the federal government. You don't have that right.
Er, actually slavery was the issue, not taxes or heaven forbid guns. Perhaps you never learned that in school.
But it's interesting that you have to try to draw parallels between protesters today and the Confederacy. It's the sign of a very weak argument.
By the way - the Tea Party is pretty much grassroots and organic. Are there some lobbyists and organizers? Sure. And it's pretty hypocritical for the left to babble about 'em, since to paraphrase Fred Thompson in Hunt for Red October, "the left doesn't take a dump without a national non-profit group driving it".
Seriously - even "your" drinking parties have national organizations with paid stff ("Drinking Liberally").
So that might be a bad thing to try to ding the Tea Parties on, especially since on my blog I pretty well demolished the claims that there was big money coming in from DC to support the Minnesota party.
Oh, and Eric?
And Miss 10:07, the question for the right of succession and insurrection was answered clearly in 1865. You are far too stupid to have a discussion with.
Before you scurry from an argument (in which you are factually, historically and ethically dubious, by the way) in a flurry of "your stupid" ad-homina, you might want to spell "Secession" correctly.
Just saying.
Oh, I had to mention this:
Look up Confederacy to see what happened a large segment of gun lovers tried to take on the federal government. You don't have that right.
Leaving aside that you're wrong about "that right", your historical myopia amazes me sometimes.
You do realize that the gun control movement you so gleefully parrot got its start with an attempt to ban guns owned by "gun loving" former slaves and Union Army veterans in Galveston, Texas? Black veterans and freedmen who had given the Ku Klux Klan a very bloody nose, sending the Klan running to their Democratic Party government, which passed a law banning guns in the hands of black "gun lovers"?
This, among other cases, led directly to the "Equal Protection" clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
So Eric? As usual, it's us grass-roots conservatives who are right, as in pretty much every issue, while all you Democrats side with racism.
Have a happy Memorial Day!
Bob,
An honorable grassroots movement.
Yep.
As Mike Huckabee said in perhaps his only useful contribution to American politics, "when you're taking flak, you know you're over the target".
They only have to resort to the kind of slander you're reading when they're scared. And they are.
Eric's posting, where it' isn't all puerile ad-homina, is what we call "a target rich environment" on the one hand. But none of the targets are all that challenging, unfortunately.
And while you're at it, what minority group in America supports the Republican party overwhelmingly or even consistently besides the Vietnamese Americans?
Cuban-Americans. People who've had to put it on the line for freedom know what a bunch of vapid hamsters the Dems are.
Hispanics that have been in the US over three generations (the longer they've been here, the more lopsided it is).
Recent Eastern European immigrants. See "Cubans", above.
Immigrants from Iraq and Iran. Ditto.
Less as a statistical case? Any "minority" who thinks rather than blindly follows their appointed racial group.
Some of the most passionate Republicans I know are afro-Americans in my district who've had enough of the Dems' butchery of our educational system.
A liberal friend of mine asked me after the GOP convention a few weeks back "what color were the delgates?", with one of those effete chuckels lefties always toss in when they think they've got you.
"There were 2,000 Red, White and Blue people there", I responded. Game, set and match.
As usual.
OK. Off to celebrate Memorial Day. God bless!
Er, actually slavery was the issue, not taxes or heaven forbid guns. Perhaps you never learned that in school.
Correct. Remember that for future debates when you try to push the states right bs on us.
Leaving aside that you're wrong about "that right", your historical myopia amazes me sometimes.
Wrong? About the question of secession? The cause of the war was slavery but, in the end the question of whether any state has the right to leave the Union was answered soundly. You and Rick Perry been smoking the same crap, huh?
You do realize that the gun control movement you so gleefully parrot got its start with an attempt to ban guns owned by "gun loving" former slaves and Union Army veterans in Galveston, Texas?
No. Gun control goes back to the colonies and even as far back as Henry V. You must be getting forgetful in your upper years there, I'm pretty libertarian on gun ownership. You can have 183 guns for all I care. I just need one. However, with that ownership comes responsibility.
(I am also intimately familiar with the fact that most of you would crap your pants before shooting someone and if you ever have to do it, and do it, that split second will never, ever leave you.) But, go ahead, get as many as you want. I don't care, not my business.
Cuban-Americans. People who've had to put it on the line for freedom know what a bunch of vapid hamsters the Dems are.
So the rest are stupid. Nice Mitch. You'll be growing that big tent party soon enough.
Exactly when did you 'put it on the line'? You've summed up your party's problem and why it keeps shrinking. Anyone who does not see things like you, or agree with you, can't be real Americans. Too righteous to see that you exclude MOST of the country.
Eric
Eric,
Correct. Remember that for future debates when you try to push the states right bs on us.
Eric, I was going to ask if you always speak in non-sequitur - but then I remember you also have ad-hominem.
The fact that slave-owners used the Tenth Amendment to justify owning slaves doesn't invalidate the Tenth Amendment.
Wrong? About the question of secession? The cause of the war was slavery but, in the end the question of whether any state has the right to leave the Union was answered soundly. You and Rick Perry been smoking the same crap, huh?
Not sure that we're talking about the same thing, here, Eric - I was talking about you and Chuck's taste for trying to shame people for criticizing government. I'm not so interested in secession - although I'm looking for the logic that says "because the Union won a war 150 years ago against states that seceded and attacked it, the issue of secession is forever off the table, no matter how awful and inimical the feds get to the nation's and peoples' interests"; the fact that the states are a free association is a matter of constitutional record.
But, again, I don't really care about the issue.
No. Gun control goes back to the colonies and even as far back as Henry V.
Er...yeah.
{{facepalm}}
Which is why we have a Second Amendment.
So the rest are stupid.
Well, to be fair to me, I get to be just a tad hyperbolic given the environment and audience.
But you asked, I answered.
Exactly when did you 'put it on the line'?
Not sure what you're talking about. Politics in America really don't take a whole lot of "putting it on the line"; it's not like being in Solidarity in 1980.
You've summed up your party's problem and why it keeps shrinking.
We're expanding. We're beating the DFL in party ID for the first time in years.
Anyone who does not see things like you, or agree with you, can't be real Americans.
Ah, OK. You're reading off the DFL chanting point list.
Eric, I've never used the term "Real Americans". My parents and many of my best friends are liberals. I'm not going to call them "unreal Americans" - merely wrong.
Too righteous to see that you exclude MOST of the country.
Again with the chanting points, Eric.
I'm more with the Reagan philosophy of convincing people who aren't already conservative that they should be.
Of course, I triage likely suspects - and let's just say you're way down the list. No offense.
Mitch,
For 36 of the 50 states the land was either acquired by the Federal government by purchase or conquest from a foreign government. So, all of those states were bought and paid for by the Federal government, were territories before they were states and were given their statehood by the Federal Government.
Free association....????
If they didn't sign the original constitution than they never were an independent "State" and have always been a part of the United States and it is laughable to think they could argue that they have the right to withdraw from the Union.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
If they didn't sign the original constitution than they never were an independent "State" and have always been a part of the United States and it is laughable to think they could argue that they have the right to withdraw from the Union.
Chuck, that may be the most bizarre, ahistorical non-sequitur I've ever seen in 25 years in a city full of bizarrity-prone people who are weak on their history.
So you actually believe there is some legal difference between states that signed the Constitution and those that did not? And by "legal basis", I mean court case, opinion, or bit of actual legal or historical scholarship that means an original signatory has any different standing under the Constitution than any other state, as opposed to "Chuck tut-tuts and browbeats those who question him?"
Please elaborate. This should be entertaining.
Actually, secession would solve a LOT of this nation's problems.
(and by the way - anyone who wants to take that previous paragraph as license to say "so you favor slavery" is invited to save the typing and tell it to my face, provided you're ready for the consquences, which will be REALLY bad for you. Seriously. Don't insult my intelligence by going there).
Secession would never work. The Southern Red states are too dependent on the federal government and our Blue state tax dollars to survive.
Ironic, isn't it.
Eric
Secession would never work. The Southern Red states are too dependent on the federal government and our Blue state tax dollars to survive.
Ironic, isn't it.
Oh, goody - someone else who takes Paul Krugman seriously.
Krugman's thesis - that Red States (not just the South) take in more tax money than they contribute, ignores a bunch of inconvenient truths:
1) Red States have disproportionate amounts of federal land and military bases. It's money coming in, of course, but it'd be hard to say it's a direct benefit.
2) Red States get more farm program money. As a conservative, I oppose this - and Blue States actually get more per-farming-capita in most programs, but their farms are smaller and they are a smaller share of most Blue-State economies (hear me talking, New Jersey?)
Combine both of those with the fact that...
3) Per capita income is lower in most Red States. Costs of living are lower for a given standard of living. Hey, you want progressive taxation.
If you leave out the "income" from military bases and federal lands, ignore farm subsidies (which are EXTREMELY focused and, again, need to go!), normalize income figures, and figure by county rather than state (because most "blue" states are really clumps of blue urban counties surrounded by red countryside that, like Minnesota, actually pay the bills), Big Blue counties are HUUUUUGE net money sucks.
"Drawing a line in the sand! What side of the line are you on?"
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5/25/2010
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Good info Mitch.
I was talking about the percentage of the population that live in poverty. The percentage of the population that are on welfare (WIC food stamps). The home to the worst schools in the nation. The highest dropout rates in the country too. The lowest amount of college degrees and worst of all, the biggest audience for American Idol.
If they want to leave, Aydios. Without the United States supporting Texas, New Mexico and Arizona, Mexico would take it back in a week. Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama become economically a third world country. Georgia and South Carolina would be able to survive on ag and tourism. Florida would still be OK- thanks to its weather. Tennessee, Arkansas and Kentucky? Who knows.
We may build have to build that fence you Rethugs have been pushing for, keeping Johnny Rebel in his new country will be hard work.
Eric
Whoa!!!!!
Bill Dahn files for Attorney General?!?!?
Uhh, do you not have be learned in the law or able to pass the bar?
Just when I thought the joke couldn't get anymore funnier.
Eric
Mitch my point was that the argument made by the people on your side is that the States joined into the United States voluntarily and have the ability to through nullification to remove themselves from the Union.
The silliness of their argument is that 36 of the states never were their own separate entity and never joined the Union, they were a part of the Union before the Federal Government granted them statehood.
There is no other basis that any state could make that it had any right to secede from the union, but that it had joined the union of its own accord. 36 states never joined. They were granted any powers that they have by the Federal Government.
That does not mean that I think that the other 14 have the right to secede only that they have the argument that was used 150 years ago, the other states have no argument.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
We've moved from "secession" to "Red Vs. Blue" to "South-bashing" - it's hard to keep pace with how fast the goalposts move around here.
Maybe it's just me...
I was talking about the percentage of the population that live in poverty. The percentage of the population that are on welfare (WIC food stamps).
And so on. Yep - the South has some funky social pathologies. Lots of 'em trace back to antebellum society; the South had an unofficial aristocracy, and white "peasants" - un-landed sharecroppers - didn't have prospects a whole lot better than slaves. Southern "white trash" have a sense of cultural helplessness not a whole lot different than too much of black society. Education and achievement and ambition never did much for lower-class white guys.
Which is a shame, and is also kinda government-intervention-proof.
But Texas and Florida are growing, demographically and economically, faster than the rest of the nation - indeed, most of the US' private-sector growth is happening in Texas today.
If they want to leave, Aydios. Without the United States supporting Texas, New Mexico and Arizona, Mexico would take it back in a week.
Dunno, Eric. Mexico tried that once already. Didn't work out so well for 'em.
Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama become economically a third world country.
Perhaps. Perhaps not. There's a lot of natural resources in the Gulf.
We may build have to build that fence you Rethugs have been pushing for, keeping Johnny Rebel in his new country will be hard work.
It's "Republicans", thanks.
Dunno, Eric. The Rust Belt - the home of American liberalism - has been dying for decades. The Sun Belt has been booming for at least as long. Your "fence" sounds a lot more like the Berlin Wall - to keep Massachusetts liberals from fleeing south to find work.
You lefties have a strange predilection for those kinds of things.
They were granted any powers that they have by the Federal Government.
No, Chuck. They were granted their powers by the Tenth Amendment. The Constitution controls the Federal Government, not the other way around.
And as our nation's self-appointed "elite" continues to forget that, perhaps it's time for our nation to revisit the notion of civil secession.
Haha Mitch. You got an answer for everything, not always the right answer but, you keep coming back.
The only folks from Massachusetts heading south will be Scott Brown to be with his fan base and Mitt Romney to continue to run from his record.
You mentioned something that I think is very important to think about. Southern blacks and poor working class whites have the same economic experience. They live in the same towns and grow up with the same values yet, split almost right along racial line on voting. That's history talking.
Eric
Haha Mitch. You got an answer for everything, not always the right answer but, you keep coming back. Eric 9:47 PM
But Eric that's how you and chuck are, your two of the DFL "YES MEN" and that is the worst thing on earth.
This upcoming election will bring out trash that your party thought was berried so deep that it was gone for ever.
I see that the IP will change the face of Minnesota Politics this year, looks like Sen. Pappas will finally be out.
There is just to much inside trading join on with the union, building the Sholom Nursing Home on property that had no clearly environmentally unsafe.
Were going to see a RICO Act brought on one of the big companies, remember Dale Anderson from RAP?
I followed his career to see where the money flows, He was place on the board at a big government sponsored company that he did business with as affiliated with when he had those five director jobs at RAP.
Hmm.
Bill Dahn is on the IP ballet in November for Attorney General !
Bill, stop answering yourself on every post, you're only fooling Sharon.
Eric
The only folks from Massachusetts heading south will be Scott Brown to be with his fan base
Ah. So you're saying Massachusetts' absentee voting system needs work? I'm confused.
That's history talking.
Well, the last forty years of it, anyway.
Eric are you jealous of Friends Bill Dahn and Sharon Anderson
both running for AG without Law License MN Const. Art. III Separation of Powers,
Eric to make Government Accountable
we put our Money where our Mouths are. Both are Impoverished by Corrupt Courts
"A FOOL FOR A CLIENT, HIRES PETER ERLINDER"
Eric maybe you should have a journalism license to write on any blog? such as in Michigan
Yes Sharon, I'm jealous. You got me.
Eric
Thanks Erica
I wish all of these that you say are mind were mind.
But beside you and your co partner Chuck being Democrats at the time I ask people to assist me with RAP and each of you had a excuse why you or the Democrat part you and Chuck repersented swayed away from the point that my home was unfit to live in after Ramsey Action Program Did Work on it.
I will be kicking ass on the Republican and the Democratic Parties for the next five months.
Remember that the Democrats and the Union were behind building the "NEW" SHolon Nursing Home on polluted land.
Bill Dahn
The "German" "Indian"! and you Erica are what ?
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Mitch said: "No, Chuck. They were granted their powers by the Tenth Amendment. The Constitution controls the Federal Government, not the other way around.
And as our nation's self-appointed "elite" continues to forget that, perhaps it's time for our nation to revisit the notion of civil secession."
NO Mitch, we the people are the Federal Government and tools like you of the wealthy land barons don't get that the power comes from the people and not the wealthy pimps that use you as their mouth pieces.
We the people wrote the constitution and it makes us as a nation sovereign. Your masters want the ability to tare the nation apart when it doesn't continue to serve their financial interest.
If every pebble in Minnesota was acquired by the Federal Government first as the Northwest Territories and then via the Louisiana Purchase, explain to me how Minnesota would have the power to secede? (Since it was created by the Federal Government as a state in 1858 and prior to that it was owned by the Federal Government as a territory.)
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
I try to put out a topic for a semi-intellectual discussion.
Chuck gives me ad-hominem and shrieking points:
NO Mitch, we the people are the Federal Government and tools like you of the wealthy land barons don't get that the power comes from the people and not the wealthy pimps that use you as their mouth pieces.
That is so incredibly stupid, it doesn't deserve a response.
We the people wrote the constitution and it makes us as a nation sovereign. Your masters want the ability to tare the nation apart when it doesn't continue to serve their financial interest.
No, Chuck, although demonization IS easier than thought.
If the nation ceases to reflect the will of the people - and I am one of them, in case you've forgotten - then I don't see why the people don't have the right to change things.
If every pebble in Minnesota was acquired by the Federal Government first as the Northwest Territories and then via the Louisiana Purchase, explain to me how Minnesota would have the power to secede?
In terms of current US Code? I have no idea.
In terms of ethnics and the spirit of our Constitution? The people are supreme - and if the government repudiates the Constitution (much worse than it already does), why should we NOT entertain the idea of seceding?
The only reason you've given us not to at least think about it is shrieking points and insults.
Which is not the sign of a winning argument.
Mitch said: "If the nation ceases to reflect the will of the people - and I am one of them, in case you've forgotten - then I don't see why the people don't have the right to change things."
This is the point Mitch you lost the election and you lost the election big time and your voice does not reflect the voice of the people because the people spoke in the election. What your voice is, is the voice of those disloyal to the country, who have no respect for democracy and are advocacting treason. And, you are correct that it upsets me that your bought and paid for media is giving you the ability to advocate treason.
The proper place for those who advocate secession is prison or the firing squad. If you don't love the United State's Mitch and you have no respect for democracy and the rule of law, then you have one good option... leave.
Because as they say America Love it or leave it.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
This is the point Mitch you lost the election and you lost the election big time and your voice does not reflect the voice of the people because the people spoke in the election.
Chuck - ixnay on the hysterics. This is not about the election, for me or for any other significant conservative. We're going to beat Obama in 2012, or at least neutralize him. He's not worth seceding over.
What your voice is, is the voice of those disloyal to the country, who have no respect for democracy and are advocacting treason.
No, Chuck. You are dead wrong, and exercising your inner authoritarian to prove it.
I'll forgive the grave insult, by the way; next time you want to say any such thing about me, I'll urge you to tell it to my face, or keep it to yourself.
And, you are correct that it upsets me that your bought and paid for media is giving you the ability to advocate treason.
No, Chuck, it upsets you that there are those of us who believe that America is greater than its government and administration; you're larding that thuggish ideal up with a lot of high and mighty pseudo-legal chatter, but that's really all it is.
The proper place for those who advocate secession is prison or the firing squad. If you don't love the United State's Mitch and you have no respect for democracy and the rule of law, then you have one good option... leave.
Hm. Chuck Repke, a member of a party that cozied up to Stalin in the recent past, a fellow who demanded Tim Pawlenty's indictment for murder, is responding to a fairly simple discussion about the limits of government with "you're unamerican" and "you should be shot" - and I'M the anti-American?
Take a deep breath, Chuck. I'm a better American than you, and always will be.
Because as they say America Love it or leave it.
No, Chuck. I love it, so I'm going to take it back.
At the polls. We know how you hate other peoples' freedom, but them's the breaks.
And it's gonna be great!
I feel it was good what MBerg said...
He's right, we the people of United States love our country, but "NO ONE" trust government .
That incluges the city, county, state and federal government the way they are.
We need to down size government in all branches.
That includes OBAMA and PALENTY!
Oop's I personally don't trust C.Coleman after he turned in his law lic.
Bill Dahn for AG
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Chuck,
Just to wrap up with a little less self-assured smack talk (from me) and paranoid ranting (y'know):
America is not a government. It is a set of ideals and principles - inalienable rights to life, liberty, happiness and our property, a government that is a free association of equals (we know you hate that one), rule of laws not men (heh heh heh).
Our founding fathers, being smarter than 53% of our current votes, knew that people - politicians - are imperfect and corruptible. But principles are not. And if our government ever abrogates those principles, it is America's duty to get rid of the government, or to leave it to rot in the cesspool of its own corruption.
Is Obama the government that we need to get excited about? Don't make me laugh. Obama is going to be a one term president whose main purpose is going to be to make Democrats remember Jimmy Carter fondly.
But it's nice to know the contempt some of you have for what America REALLY is about. "Love it or leave it?" Hm. That sounds a lot like "My country right or wrong" to me.
Mitch, my point was to remind you that we as a collective are America and any particular group of people that are serving us at the moment act as the functionaries of the government but "we" all of us that are here are America...we the people of the United State are the government. The people in the jobs are our servents.
What is wrong with you crazed right wingers is that you have had control of the government by Republicans or southern conservative Democrats for 54 of the last 58 years. The notion of a northern moderate Democrat in the White House after a life time of living in a country where the true values of our founding fathers has almost been wiped out by the right wing re-writers of history has you in a tizzy plotting to secceed from the union and commit treason.
I know the values that our country was founded on Mitch. They are freedom and liberty that comes from some of the basics that the LIBERAL founders of this country stood for. Like seperation of church and state, and freedom of association, and the right to vote. And, that the purpose of the state is to protect the weak from the powerful.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
What is wrong with you crazed right wingers is that you have had control of the government by Republicans or southern conservative Democrats for 54 of the last 58 years.
Er, wait.
Johnson and Carter were "conservative?"
Johnson, with the biggest surge of domestic social spending since the New Deal? The biggest surge of government social activism in history (til today)?
And Carter, the mad Keynesian?
"Conservatives?"
I'm starting to see why it's impossible to have a conversation in this comment section!
Don't worry, Chuck. We're not going to secede.
We're going to eliminate the Democrat party.
At the polls, naturally.
Hello MBerg
By eliminating the Democrat party would eliminate 80 % of both government and street crimes.
I'm Not Saying they are all crooks, unions dictate to vote for the DFL Party only to their members.
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