Police Called On 14 Year Old Student For Talking. Courtesy of Minnesota public schools
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With the thought in mind there is two sides to every story, no doubt this kid will be a Republican to reckon with now and in the future. :)
I attended public schools and so did my son briefly. Public schools SUCK! The inability to control students. The rush to label kids to get them into the black hole of special education. The subtle Democrat indoctrination. The feminizing of our young men. There is many things I take issue with in public schools.
lol - I'd say no doubt this kid is in jail for assault in the future.
He has no idea what are his first amendment rights... and the police weren't called because he was "talking." It is pretty damn clear that the cops were called because they didn't believe that they could control the kid.
You have the right to speak not to yell. You have the right to speak but not in the school office to someone who doesn't want to talk about you want to talk about.
If the kid won't go where he is told while on the school property and shut the f up, they have the right to call the cops to take his butt down to Juvy.
Sorry Bob, no rights were violated in protecting 1000 kids from this wack job.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
The subtle Democrat indoctrination. The feminizing of our young men.
Two accusations without support. One question for both, how so?
Eric
Eric, you are the kind of Democrat who would support FART DAY if your party declared it. You will even lie for your party.
Democrat indoctrination of your children.
Example 1
Example 2
Example 3
I have my own experience with public schools attempting to indoctrinate my son.
I challenge anyone out there to Google Democrat indoctrination in public schools and universities. See for your self "the truth".
Feminizing our boys in public education. This is really screwing our young men up. Compliments of your local public schools.
Example 1
Example 2
Link here excerpt below
A teacher in San Francisco is going one step further. She has transformed her classroom into a woman-centered community of learners. All the images in the classroom are of women, and as one feminist noted "perhaps for the first time, boys are the ones looking through the window."{20} While each student is required to perform a dramatic dialogue in the author's voice, the boys are forced to do works by women. One little boy attempts to lip-synch a song by blues singer Etta James, and when the other boys giggle they are chastised for their insensitivity.{21} During a history class the girls are encouraged to discuss how boys are sexual predators. The teacher is excited to see how angry the girls are getting. Although one boy tries to defend his gender, another admits to an interviewer, "I couldn't really defend myself, because it's true. Men are pigs, you know?"{22}
Schools are denying the very behavior that makes little boys boys. In Southern California, a mother was stunned to find out that her son was disciplined for running and jumping over a bench at recess.{23} Studies in England have shown that boys benefit from competition in school. However, in deference to the female tendency to learn more in cooperative groups, competition of all types is being purged from the schoolhouse. Sixty percent of American high schools no longer use class rankings or announce valedictorians.{24} Referring to the hostility towards honor rolls, one principal has stated, "It flies in the face of the philosophy of not making it so competitive for those little kids…We even frown on spelling bees."{25}
For crisis sakes Eric, do your research. Do you even have a son in public school? If so, you should be held accountable for parental abuse.
How the Schools Shortchange Boys
In the newly FEMINIZED classrooms, boys tune out.
Since I started teaching several years ago, after 25 years in the movie business, I’ve come to learn firsthand that everything I’d heard about the feminization of our schools is real—and far more pernicious to boys than I had imagined. Christina Hoff Sommers was absolutely accurate in describing, in her 2000 bestseller, The War Against Boys, how feminist complaints that girls were “losing their voice” in a male-oriented classroom have prompted the educational establishment to turn the schools upside down to make them more girl-friendly, to the detriment of males.
As a result, boys have become increasingly disengaged. Only 65 percent earned high school diplomas in the class of 2003, compared with 72 percent of girls, education researcher Jay Greene recently documented. Girls now so outnumber boys on most university campuses across the country that some schools, like Kenyon College, have even begun to practice affirmative action for boys in admissions. And as in high school, girls are getting better grades and graduating at a higher rate.
Like I said Eric, your public schools SUCK! I have ample disdain for public schools.
Public schools are inadvertently culturing our young men for a life of crime and despair.
To hasten change I wish it was as simple as shooting a rabid animal to put it out of it's misery. I'd fight anyone over the gun to be the one to pull the trigger.
Eric, you are the kind of Democrat who would support FART DAY if your party declared it. You will even lie for your party.
I will lie? You have any proof of that? I seem to catch you in lies every week on here.
Democrat indoctrination of your children.
Example 1
Example 2
Example 3
Example 1. A biased handout given to children by one teacher in Texas. 1 out of 300,000 teachers. Yes Bob, what a slant.
Example 2 and Example 3 are the words of discredited, lying conservatives which I can provide not only evidence, but for Glen Beck, I'll let YOU chose the week, and provide you with the lie from him for that week.
Those two and now Texas are the very examples of indoctrination. They push an agenda even when the facts run against them. That's the same school board that is taking the word slavery out of American history books.
The rest of your evidence is from a publication from the Manhatten Institute. Its not that I think conservatives should not have their own think tanks and propaganda organizations (afterall Fox News can't do it alone), but when those organizations hire traitors like Judith Miller as an expert of foreign policy- that's too much take in.
I don't know what marks a trend in your world but these sporadic, twisted examples are a far reaching piece-meal answer to a pretty straight forward question. The answer is, you don't have any examples.
Eric
For crisis sakes Eric, do your research. Do you even have a son in public school? If so, you should be held accountable for parental abuse.
Capitol Hill Magnet, L'Etoile du Nord French Immersion, Atheneum Elementary, Lanesboro, Lancaster, Kimberly Lane, and Washington Elementary are some of the best public schools not just in Minnesota but in the country.
I've got two boys in public schools and you want to charge me with parental abuse? If I was you, I wouldn't bring this issue up at all.
By comparison you kept your son at home and now as an adult, he doesn't have an education and has had problems finding work so that he can take care of his family(You've told us all about his run in with the cops in the Chicken Town somewhere along I-94). He may very well be honest, respectful and responsible but, you short-changed him on the schooling as do MOST parents who try to home-school.
One step you could have taken was to enroll him in a school that had an atmosphere where learning was OK and valued. Where most of the kids go off to college. I don't know how involved you were with him in the schools before you took him out but, parental involvement is also key.
We have open enrollment now. If you don't like any of the schools in St Paul, you still had Mahtomedi, White Bear, Woodbury and Stillwater to choose from. As a former Mahtomedi district parent, you'll be hard pressed to find a better school public or private. Privately, you could have used some of that health care savings you say you have and sent him to Hill-Murray, SPA, MPA, Breck, Blake or Cretin Durham Hall***.
Parents who blame the schools (notice the 's' as there are some schools that do not work) for not educating their children are usually the ones with the more problems at home than they let on. They think the school is supposed to raise their children for them and figure that the home life has no impact. Wrong.
Eric
Eric said;
By comparison you kept your son at home and now as an adult, he doesn't have an education and has had problems finding work so that he can take care of his family.
My response;
Why would you lie about my son's education Eric. I get so sick of you Democrats shading the truth. My son has an education something he wasn't getting in your perverted public schools.
To bring you up to speed. My son is working full time. He put 35 hours in over time last pay period. He supports not only his wife and kids he also supports his sister in law and a close friend who cannot find work.
Eric said;
(You've told us all about his run in with the cops in the Chicken Town somewhere along I-94).
My response;
Losing this debate you bring this up to cast some negative funk at my son when you know the circumstances of the issue. My son was wrongfully stopped and questioned by police. I made a big issue of his civil rights being violated.
Eric said;
He may very well be honest, respectful and responsible but, you short-changed him on the schooling as do MOST parents who try to home-school.
My response;
You really don't know me. You probably do not know anyone who has home schooled their kids.
Link to others opinion of home schooling here
Folk's send your kids to charter school, private school, or home school them. Do not let them be subjected to the lowest rung of American education public schools.
Eric, I could link stuff all day concerning how rotten your public schools are.
No point in it. Like I said, you Democrats defend your institutions no matter how bad they are and I don't have the time to get into needless pissing matches.
I do remember John Krenik a former special ed teacher coming here co signing much of my feelings toward public education. My son's phycologist who was a special ed teacher sided with my opinion of public school also.
Why would you lie about my son's education Eric. I get so sick of you Democrats shading the truth. My son has an education something he wasn't getting in your perverted public schools.
Bob, this is not 1890. Having an education today means at least a college degree. Having a good education means having a college degree from a top school.
Sometimes I forget with whom I'm dealing with.
To bring you up to speed. My son is working full time. He put 35 hours in over time last pay period. He supports not only his wife and kids he also supports his sister in law and a close friend who cannot find work.
What is he? 21? Why is there a wife and kids for him to support? Why isn't he in school, the military or just working and having a good time? At least he's responsible, more than I can honestly say about most 21 year olds.
You really don't know me. You probably do not know anyone who has home schooled their kids.
I know plenty who have been home schooled and have hired some. Went to college with a couple of them. They come from all walks of life but, the ones that seem to shine had parents who were educated and/or took the time to do a lot of research and networked with other parents to assure they were presenting the curriculum in the best possible light and measuring progress as objectively as possible. Then there are the others. Bob, you haven't exactly dazzled me in the four years you've been publicly posting with your research ability. You also seem to easily jump on the things which are factually challenged. Such as:
Folk's send your kids to charter school, private school, or home school them. Do not let them be subjected to the lowest rung of American education public schools.
Charter schools are public schools. You need to be just as careful with private schools too. 94% of Americans attended public schools. Its not the other 6% that's leading the country in business, education, government and entertainment.
Eric
So much ripe material. So little time.
Look, Eric - my father, sister, and two grandparents are or were teachers. As I spelled out in this series on my blog, I'm not someone who started out detesting the public schools. Of course, I do now. It's all in there.
So I'll help y'all out here:
The subtle Democrat indoctrination.
I used to pay my kids a buck every time they brought me some piece of Demcorat indoctrination or another. It not only substituted for "Allowance", but it was probably the best education they could have gotten on politics; they are both vastly better critical thinkers on political issues than most high school kids I've met.
It's not even all that subtle, most of the time: I've questioned some of my kids' teachers on some of the things my kids told me; it doesn't occur to some of these teachers that there is a way to explain events other than through a DFL-colored prism.
The feminizing of our young men.
And this is indisputable.
Christina Hoff Summers' classic "The War Against Boys" pretty much spells it out; the public schools (and most private ones, too) are actively biased against boys' learning and cognitive development styles. Boys acting like boys - physical rather than verbal, aggressive rather than passive - is discouraged at best, medicated and punished at worst.
I'm glad that you're having good results with your kids. And there are plenty of good teachers, and even some decent schools (although many of the "good" ones you mention are good precisely because they are responses to everything that's wrong with the larger system.
There's a reason that the best-performing schools in Minnsota are the few remaining one-and-two-room country schools, while rural schools that consolidate into urban-style megaschools are increasingly failing; it's the same reason homeschools and charter schools get better results (measured child by child over time, rather than in terms of school snapshots) than the public schools; because a learning environment where the principal knows every kid, and where parents actually RUN things, is much more amenable to learning for more kids than a huge zoo like Arlington or Central.
Eric, I could link stuff all day concerning how rotten your public schools are.
Great, go ahead. When you get to the one my kids go to, I'll let you know. But, because we are involved parents, as are most parents that send their kids to that school, I doubt if you'll hit on it.
No point in it. Like I said, you Democrats defend your institutions no matter how bad they are and I don't have the time to get into needless pissing matches.
Yeah like defending weapons of mass destruction for an unnecessary invasion that still cost a billion a week, or birth certificates for a President that is already an American citizen, or death panels. You quoting g-damn traitors to make your point had to be the topper. What's the matter? You all pissed out. I'm sure Mitch or Tom will be here to your rescue soon enough. How many Republicans are in jail that served during the Bush reign?
I do remember John Krenik a former special ed teacher coming here co signing much of my feelings toward public education.
Great, you got a guy who was walked out of the schools as a disgrace supporting your rant against the schools. That's convincing.
My son's phycologist who was a special ed teacher sided with my opinion of public school also.
So your son was special needs and you chose to take him away from the environment that could've helped him? Did you continue with counseling after you took him out of public schools or just cursed them all?
Eric
For someone who just claimed not to be "dazzled" by Bob's research skills, I thought this was funny:
Charter schools are public schools.
Only in terms of funding - sort of. Any other resemblance is purely coincidental.
Charter schools are mostly very, very small; they are almost immediately accountable to the parents who send their kids to the school. The "board" is elected at least partly from among the parents, and is immediately accessible to them.
For parents who are used to their children getting lost in the crowd at the big public factory schools, and to the arrogance of administrators who are accountable only to a board elected every several years and that is accountable in practice only to the union and the DFL, it's a fresh lease on life.
There's a reason that the vast majority of Saint Paul's huge number of charter school families are from the communities that are the worst served by the public system - black, hispanic and asian kids.
And the reason is *not* "they're stupid", although I"m guessing that'll be your first response. It seems to be your explanation for anyone disagreeing with you...
For someone who just claimed not to be "dazzled" by Bob's research skills, I thought this was funny:
Charter schools are public schools.
Only in terms of funding - sort of. Any other resemblance is purely coincidental.
Charter schools are mostly very, very small; they are almost immediately accountable to the parents who send their kids to the school. The "board" is elected at least partly from among the parents, and is immediately accessible to them.
For parents who are used to their children getting lost in the crowd at the big public factory schools, and to the arrogance of administrators who are accountable only to a board elected every several years and that is accountable in practice only to the union and the DFL, it's a fresh lease on life.
There's a reason that the vast majority of Saint Paul's huge number of charter school families are from the communities that are the worst served by the public system - black, hispanic and asian kids.
And the reason is *not* "they're stupid", although I"m guessing that'll be your first response. It seems to be your explanation for anyone disagreeing with you...
Oh, good lord:
Great, you got a guy who was walked out of the schools as a disgrace supporting your rant against the schools. That's convincing.
No, you've got a dedicated teacher who was defamed and smeared and who, in a just world, would have boundless resources to carry on lawsuits against all the parties involved.
So your son was special needs and you chose to take him away from the environment that could've helped him?
"Special Ed" rarely helps any of the kids involved. That's not a whack at special ed teachers - although many of them ARE worthless (in my experience, half were wonderful, half were worthless).
Christina Hoff Summers' classic "The War Against Boys" pretty much spells it out; the public schools (and most private ones, too) are actively biased against boys' learning and cognitive development styles. Boys acting like boys - physical rather than verbal, aggressive rather than passive - is discouraged at best, medicated and punished at worst.
Aside from that last line about medication- welcome to civilization. We don't live in Sparta and might does not equal right. I went to school in Chicago where boys could be boys and you know who turned out successful? The cool crowd and the guys you didn't want to mess with turned out to be what we would call losers. The crowd we used to tease and laugh at are doing great. Went to my 15th reunion and saw that in real life. I made a choice toward the end of high school to look beyond that stinking place and had great ACT scores and decent football stats that allowed me to choose where to go. Others were still talking about high school football games, it was pathetic.
I'm glad that you're having good results with your kids. And there are plenty of good teachers, and even some decent schools (although many of the "good" ones you mention are good precisely because they are responses to everything that's wrong with the larger system.
One thing I remember from our debates over the years is the work you put in as a single dad. One of dozens of experiences and people I took from when it was time to enroll mine. Having a wife that's a suburban school teacher helped too. My kids do well because they are in a school where parents give a damn- that's the biggest factor in success and failure of a school. Parental involvement.
I also suspect you were the basis for the little shtick that Soucheray used to do with Rookie and the intern on 'items brought home in a backpack!'.
There's a reason that the best-performing schools in Minnsota are the few remaining one-and-two-room country schools, while rural schools that consolidate into urban-style megaschools are increasingly failing; it's the same reason homeschools and charter schools get better results (measured child by child over time, rather than in terms of school snapshots) than the public schools; because a learning environment where the principal knows every kid, and where parents actually RUN things, is much more amenable to learning for more kids than a huge zoo like Arlington or Central.
Calling them a zoo is pretty derogatory. However, we know and agree that large classroom are not good conduits for pupil-teacher exchanges, assessments and instruction.
The best remaining schools are not one and two room school houses. They are in the city and the burbs with smaller teacher to student ratios, stable populations and involved parents. I'll put that school up against any other and you can throw all the money you want at it.
Eric
Thank you kindly Mitch. It is nice to hear something other than unadulterated ignorance.
Although even the truth doesn't sway these blind sided Democrats who support public education.
As long as they can keep the population dumbed down they have a chance of holding power.
And no my kid isn't interested in college Eric. It is not what I wished for him. He has the grades to continue on. He has learned business skills in home school. His last assignment in home school was to build a lawn care business. He done that successfully. Lawn care wasn't his cup of tea, however, he has valuable business experience. My son was in home school at age 17, he owned a business and had up to 5 employees at times. He was clearing over $4000 a month.
What were you doing at 17 Eric? You attempt to claim I am lacking an education based on your interaction with me here. Well buddy either you are stupid or you just don't remember all the times I took you out to the wood shed. Just like here on this subject.
No Eric I don't think you are more intelligent than most folks here. I think you think you are! Big difference my friend.
Charter schools are mostly very, very small; they are almost immediately accountable to the parents who send their kids to the school. The "board" is elected at least partly from among the parents, and is immediately accessible to them.
They are funded by the taxpayers under the public school budget. Everything else I know and can be accomplished if public school districts break back down to smaller areas. Consolidation has been a performance failure but a budget success. However, asking for more money is not looked on kindly. Not just in the cities either, in Mahtomedi, the district covers six cities and towns, in Stillwater its 11, on the Range Virginia covers 14 or more. That's ridiculous.
For parents who are used to their children getting lost in the crowd at the big public factory schools, and to the arrogance of administrators who are accountable only to a board elected every several years and that is accountable in practice only to the union and the DFL, it's a fresh lease on life.
In rare individual cases I agree.
There's a reason that the vast majority of Saint Paul's huge number of charter school families are from the communities that are the worst served by the public system - black, hispanic and asian kids.
The reason is that specialized more individualized instruction pays off. Politically, i'd love to talk about how and why the schools are in the funding situation they're in. And yes, its chalked full of racial issues from the 70's and desegregation.
How is it fair for schools to be funded by the districts when some district have large segments of renters and others are affluent- therefore creating districts that reflect that affluence, unless you're out past exurbia where the cost of living is low enough for wage earners to own a home and teachers to make a smaller salary?
And the reason is *not* "they're stupid", although I"m guessing that'll be your first response. It seems to be your explanation for anyone disagreeing with you...
Nope, just the ones that are stupid. Unless you really are- then I try not to make fun of you. Bob is smart and very street-smart. He's not mentally challenged or an imbecile. I know that he can look at data and draw a conclusion- so I debate him.
That was just stupid for you to even write something like that. (see how it works?)
Eric
Nope, just the ones that are stupid. Unless you really are- then I try not to make fun of you. Bob is smart and very street-smart. He's not mentally challenged or an imbecile. I know that he can look at data and draw a conclusion- so I debate him.
That was just stupid for you to even write something like that. (see how it works?)
Eric
My response;
Well thank you Eric. I read what you had said and felt you were calling me stupid too.
I don't think you are stupid either Eric. You have a job to do for the Democrat party and I think you bring your work here with you to the town hall to sway the ignorant masses.
P.S. For your sake I hope John Krenik doesn't chime in. You are getting a good beating now. I feel sorry for you! NOT! :)
Hey why aren't you watching 24 on HULU?
What were you doing at 17 Eric?
Trying to decide if I was going to make a million dollars playing guitar with my band or playing football. I was in AP classes and passing. I was trying to convince my girlfriend to do 'more' with me but, lying to my friends that we were. I was involved in student government, future doctors of america, varsity football, jazz band and the physics club at 17. In the summer I worked in a lumber yard and bought a 1981 pontiac Grand Prix. Normal shit a 17 year old should be doing. I wasn't trying to be the CEO of IBM. I wasn't trying to be the janitor either.
You attempt to claim I am lacking an education based on your interaction with me here.
No, its your research abilities that I deride here. Your refusal to accept what doesn't vibe with your beliefs is what I go after you about.
Well buddy either you are stupid or you just don't remember all the times I took you out to the wood shed. Just like here on this subject.
If you say so yourself, huh?
No Eric I don't think you are more intelligent than most folks here. I think you think you are! Big difference my friend.
Hells yeah its a big difference and I was clear that I don't think I'm better or have a capacity for more intelligence than anyone else but- I'm not below them either. EVERY ADem thread I deal with that from some anonymous ass-wipe. These are your supporters and there for birds of a feather...
Eric
I found a better site than HULU that gives you a way bigger variety plus bootleg movie releases. TVShack.net is the best that not a Russian site or one that will download a virus on your laptop.
I'll wait to the end of the season and take a weekend to catch up on 24. I've been watching these crazy vampire shows, takes me away from the political stuff.
Going to watch some real crazy people on the Real Housewives of New York.
Eric
Eric said;
Trying to decide if I was going to make a million dollars playing guitar with my band or playing football. I was in AP classes and passing. I was trying to convince my girlfriend to do 'more' with me but, lying to my friends that we were. I was involved in student government, future doctors of America, varsity football, jazz band and the physics club at 17. In the summer I worked in a lumber yard and bought a 1981 pontiac Grand Prix. Normal shit a 17 year old should be doing. I wasn't trying to be the CEO of IBM. I wasn't trying to be the janitor either.
My response;
Good for you Eric! I'm happy public schools didn't claim you as a victim. But then you are sharp and had direction. My son lost interest in school. Public school was constantly rubbing our family values the wrong way.
The way I and thousands of other parents see it---> we SAVED our children from public school.
Here is something to blow your mind Eric. Higher Ground Academy (a charter school)use to have BOXING at school. They recognized boys were being "feminized" in school. The principle at this school is a former city council member. Unfortunately to many parents objected to fighting in school so that was the end of that.
My son attended Higher Ground for a short time. That is how we come to know Willie Carter the man who had once trained Ali and Foreman. He trained my son to fight professionally. My son learned discipline when he was training to fight. My son is a lover not a fighter. :) My son decided a career as a boxer wasn't for him.
My son will defend just about anyone who needs help. He ain't no punk that would turn his back on someone in need. He has proven himself time and again. All that is good in me has been taught to him. I was teaching my son one aspect of my belief of manhood and public schools where fighting me.
Short story-
In 5th grade at Webster Elementary my son was the Bus Monitor. A term given to kids who ask other kids to obey the bus rules. A 6th grader who out weighed my son by over 50 lbs was bully kids on the bus. Hitting them and daring them to do something about it. My son asked him to stop, he didn't and he hit another kid. My son told the bus driver. This kid didn't give a shit and told my son he'd hit him too. My son told him you hit me I will hit you back! Well he hit my kid and my son beat the shit out of him right there on the bus.
In Spite of the bus driver defending my son he was suspended from school for a week. Sitting there in the office with my son I told the vice principle I was proud of him and if my son was ever called on to defend this country he would be a man and do his duty. I wasn't bringing him up to be some kind of sissy and to reward him for his heroic actions on the bus I am taking him out to Chucky Cheese then we are going fishing.
You should of seen the vice principles face she about fell off her chair. She was discussed. What a joke.
On another occasion my son was seen by a teacher picking up a crushed florescent pink squirt gun off the side walk at school. The idiots suspended him and threaten to charge him with possessing a deadly weapon on school grounds. PERVERTS! I let them have what was on my mind!
This isn't the only times I told public school officials what I thought of the way they educate our children. In fact when I took my son out of public school I demanded to see his base file. They lied to me and said I had no right to see it. I sited the statues to them and they reluctantly gave me the file. The file was over 3" high. It was more about me and their opinion of me and very little to do with my son.
I was use to them lying through their teeth to me.
The deal was I threatened to sue them over the years for being delinquent in their duties to educate my son without special ed. So they were diligently attempting to disparage me and my son to have their way with what they wanted for my son, special education.
They had reason to go after my son over stupid shit like a plastic squirt gun found on the side walk. It helped them in their attempt to critique my son into this mold of a "at risk youth". They did this dumb shit because I fought them tooth and nail not to label my son with special ed and dope him with Ritalin.
They played all kinds of games to get me to succumb to their request of putting my son in special ed. And in the end leading up to me pulling my son out of public school I had a psychologist who worked for them in special ed tell me I was right and public schools had been wrong all along. My son didn't suffer from A.D.D.. My son had abandoment issue over his mother.
It was nice hearing from a professional I had been on the right track all along. I rubbed it in the faces of the principle and vise principle of Webster Elementary.
Unfortunately my son psychologist at Wilder who worked for the public schools part time in special ed was fired because she was honest with me. Damn shame these pig fucks are so vindictive. This kind woman was only looking out for the best interest of my son. I felt real bad for her. I told her I was so sorry and she said, "don't worry about it, I am a big girl I did what was right".
I have had 4 hour conversations with school psychologist telling them why schools would be better off if they fired them and hired a teacher. They fevorishly attempted to brain wash me into believeing my son had issues he really didn't have. One lie after another.
Eric I have more than disdain for public schools, I can honestly say I vehemently HATE the policy's that lead them! They threatened my parental rights to educate my son as I see fit. They threatened my family's values! They idiotically profile children and families.
Oh, and another thing. That bully on the bus.... Wasn't smacking kids around on the bus anymore and I don't think his suspension had anything to do with it! :)
The kid became friends with my son and to this day he has a lot of respect for him.
I have taught my son it is OK to fight to "defend" himself our someone in need. I have taught him to never start a physical fight.
In a perfect world there is no violence. We don't live in a perfect world. We need to let boys be boys so they can become good men.
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Eric said;
He may very well be honest, respectful and responsible but, you short-changed him on the schooling as do MOST parents who try to home-school"
What Eric is saying in plain speak is that the kid got an honest education without all the DFL agendas and add ons.
Back to this little shit in the video.
Kids do not have full Bill of Rights in school.
A teacher has the right to tell him to shut it if he's been disruptive or if she's trying assess what went down.
Because you can't 'punish' kids today, its best to involve the authorities to calm a situation that could get violent.
His parents need their asses kicked that this twerp is such an undisciplined disruption.
Eric
Watch yourself Eric. One day this kid maybe your Governor. :)
Why? I'll never move to Kentucky.
Eric
Don't you mean Arkansas?
Here's one for all you people that think Uncle Sam's Public Schools are top.
Remember
You have the right not to remain silent!
Like with this kid saying something contrary to what the teacher believes and was told to shut up.
Subject: Liberals voting that the American flag should be banned!
I just voted and it was 54% for banning 30% against. What's this about students saftey ?
I can't stand living here anymore, I want to move to America if I can find it.
I Just Voted and the Liberals are Winning!! We need to vote on this one and pass it on.
Subject: Liberals voting that the American flag should be banned!
Moveon.org,
Organizing for America, and SEIU have been twittering today to go to a Fox Poll and vote to ban the Flag in public schools.
SHOW THEM WHAT TRUE PATRIOTS BELIEVE!!! We can switch the numbers if we all get in there and vote! After you vote, pass this information on to everyone you know and all sites you belong to !
I JUST VOTED..THE CURRENT RESULTS ARE "YES IT SHOULD BE BANNED"!! (BY A LANDSLIDE)
GO & VOTE TO TURN THIS THING AROUND!!!! Click on link below
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/05/06/american-flag-banned-america/#discussion-form
Wow! 67% of FOX NEWS viewers want to ban the flag in public schools!
Lets ban Obama and then ban the his party and keep the Amercan flag in public schools!
If some of you don't like the American Flag?
Get the F__K out of this country.
Bill Dahn
Some times Bill is right on about this land of ours, give us liberty or give us death.
Chuck and Eric sure tries their best to discredit Bill and his right to speak about the tragedies that St.Paul Democrats pull on him.
How many of us agree with them anyway.
bill is now answering his own writigns on here? bill, you never answered the question, do you have a job? is Eric lying?
THIS IS THE ONE THAT WILL FLIP YOU OUT!!
THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION IS FUNDING TWENTY FOUR MILLION DOLLARS--LET ME REPEAT THAT AMOUNT... SO YOU UNDERSTAND IT $ 24,000,000.00 DOLLARS FOR NEW ELECTRONIC MEDICAL RECORDS PROCESSING FOR OUR CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS !!
THEY ARE OBTAINING THESE FUNDS
And
I QUOTE DIRECTLY FROM THE SOCIAL SECURITY WEBSITE...
"THIS MONEY WILL BE COMING FROM THE SAVINGS TO BE GENERATED
FROM WITHHOLDING "COST OF LIVING INCREASES FOR 2010 & 2011
In SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS FOR THE ELDERLY
AND A $2.00 INCREASE ON ALL MEDICARE RX BENEFIT CO-PAY"
Please pass this to ALL your friends and have them
"PROTEST TO THE IDIOTS WE ELECTED TO CONGRESS"
Who by the way, have just voted themselves ANOTHER 3% SALARY INCREASE!!!
We must put a stop to this outright thievery!
It is THE CONGRESS AND THE SENATE, BOTH REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATS, WE CAN'T FIRE THEM, BUT WE SURE CAN NOT RE-ELECT THEM, And WE CAN IMPEACH THEM
Or DEMAND RECALL ELECTIONS !!!
HOW ABOUT WE ALL GET TOGETHER AND DUMP THESE CLOWNS.
All I ask is that you consider the suggestion here.
The entire Congress of the United States is corrupt.
And I mean both Houses and I mean both major parties.
I realize that a few Members of each House are trustworthy,
But,
As a group they are absolutely the most corrupt bunch
To ever disgrace our Nation.
In November of 2010
The entire House of Representatives will stand for re-election;
All 435 of them.
One third of the Senate,
A total of 33 of them, will also stand for re-election.
Vote every incumbent out.
And I mean every one of them.
No matter their Party affiliation.
Let's start all over in the House of Representatives with 435 people
Who have absolutely no experience in running that body,
With no political favors owed to anyone but their own constituents.
Let's make them understand that they work for us...
They are answerable to us
And they simply have to run that body with some common sense.
Two years later, in 2012,
Vote the next third of the incumbents in the Senate out.
We can do the same thing in 2014 and,
By that time we will have put all new people in that body as well.
We, the People,
Have got to take this Country back and we HAVE to do it peacefully.
That's what the Framers of our Constitution envisioned.
I am also suggesting term limits on the NEW BUNCH -
8 YEARS FOR REPRESENTATIVES AND 12 YEARS OF SENATORS.
NO EXCEPTIONS.
THE LONGER THEY STAY IN OFFICE THE MORE POWER THEY GET
AND THEY LOVE IT AND WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET RE-ELECTED.
WE HAVE TERM LIMITED THE PRESIDENT -
NOW LET'S TERM LIMIT THE LEGISLATORS.
Please,
If you love this Country,
Send this (as I have done) to absolutely everyone
Whose email address appears in your address book..
This thing can permeate this Country in no time.
Let's make it happen.**
VOTE THE POWER ABUSERS OUT...
LET'S TAKE AMERICA BACK !!!
IF YOU LIKE THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING IN OUR COUNTRY,
THEN DO NOTHING...
Pray, the Pledge and now the Flag.
We have to put a stop to this now before they tell children to stop breathing.
This is America!
This IS America and this blog is full of people who have no clue of what that means. Even worse, you have no clue of the structure of your own government so, your gullible and fool enough to fall for anything.
Hoax after hoax is posted here and before I, or Chuck (it seems like no one else is interested in truth, only words that support conspiracy and victim-hood) can post the facts, people on here have run off and taken it as gospel. Its a blog full of Bill Dahns and Sharon Andersons.
That bull about social security written at 12:02 is completely false. Clicking on this sentence will take you a Fact Check site that will give you detailed evidence of this falsehood.
As far as term limits, I'm fine with that except you take to the power of choice out of the hands of the people. You're saying the voters are too dumb to see things as you do and you must stop them from hurting themselves.
When the Republicans took over Congress in 1994, one of their promises was too adhere to self term limits. Six in the House and two in Senate. Once they got into office, they threw it out of the window.
Prayer in school is an old argument that's settled. The pledge in our schools is the same one that includes 'Under God'(which was added to the pledge in the 1950's), and getting rid of the flag was another hoax. In our St Paul public school, with all of our different cultures and religions- and DFL dominated school board, you will find an American flag in every classroom and students saying the pledge with 'Under God' in it.
Eric
Oh, and one more thing, there are 36 US Senate seats up for election this year, not 33.
They can't even get that right.
Eric
He may very well be honest, respectful and responsible but, you short-changed him on the schooling as do MOST parents who try to home-school"
Er, you're gonna have to find a cite on that.
And when/if you do (!), it'd be great if the cite were a study that controlled for individual student achievement over time.
Because while I've seen no such study (and I follow this sort of thing pretty closely), everything I DO know about the subject shows that individual students over time DO do better in homeschool or unschool situations than in the traditional "Keep your ass in the chair and march when we tell you" model schools.
The Educational/Industrial complex doesn't want that kind of word getting around, so you may not find a lot of formal university studies.
But do let me know.
Eric,
I missed this the first time; no, I was not behind Souch's "Items In Backback" bit; he started that bit before any of my kids had started school, and long before the indoctrination got bad enough for me to respond.
One thing I remember from our debates over the years is the work you put in as a single dad. One of dozens of experiences and people I took from when it was time to enroll mine. Having a wife that's a suburban school teacher helped too. My kids do well because they are in a school where parents give a damn- that's the biggest factor in success and failure of a school. Parental involvement.
Parental involvement is very important; too many schools however cut that involvement off at "decorating the gym for the spring concert". It's a reason I've loved my kids' charter schools; some of us parents get to help out teaching areas of our own expertise; I've tutored German students, and helped kids with media-related projects.
Calling them a zoo is pretty derogatory.
It's intentional; I have no love lost for St. Paul Central's general program.
However, we know and agree that large classroom are not good conduits for pupil-teacher exchanges, assessments and instruction.
The effectiveness does fall off - although I've seen stats showing overall school size is more important, I think we'd all like smaller *everything*. Another reason I like my kid's charter schools.
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