Landlords responsible for underage drinkers?
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posted by Bob at Friday, September 25, 2009
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The Associated Press
Updated: 09/25/2009 08:12:22 AM CDT
ST. PAUL, Minn.—A proposed ordinance holds St. Paul landlords responsible for underage drinking parties on their properties.
City leaders will consider an ordinance that punishes adults who knowingly allow parties where minors are drinking alcohol, including landlords.
St. Paul Alderman Russ Stark says landlords should bear some of the responsibility. But, landlord Christa Delfiacco says she shouldn't be held responsible for the conduct of her tenants.
The ordinance carries a maximum penalty of 90 days in jail and a fine of $1,000. It's up for a vote next month.
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Information from: KSTP-TV, http://www.kstp.com
"....punishes adults who knowingly allow parties where minors are drinking alcohol, including landlords."
Knowingly Bob...
K N O W I N G L Y
Get it?
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
You gotta be kidding me Chuck!
Yeah we get it perfectly Repke. There'll be one infraction and some piece of shit cop will be on the phone calling landlords so he can make sure they know the problem is going on and then the next time it happens the landlord's ass will be on the line with court appearances, fines, jail time, and who knows what else.
It's nothing but a revenue generator for the city.....got it?
Look at the CRAP the HRA assume developers LOANS 23Sept09
Its really hard tracking what the City is doing with our Money, Repke this is East Side Development? 9% Looks like MONEY OUT OF THIN AIR, City skating on Thin Fidicuary Ice?
Great idea! Unfortunately, the scary smart city council has (as per usual) missed one gaping detail in their plan.
"Underage" drinking <21
Statutory adult =>18
Is Russ suggesting that renters should sign over a power of attorney to their landlords?
pfffft. Those morons crack me up!
Chuck said...Repke 10:03 PM
"....punishes adults who knowingly allow parties where minors are drinking alcohol, including landlords."
Knowingly Bob...
K N O W I N G L Y
Get it?
JMONTOMEPPOF
Hey
Chuck You partied as a teenager,
now you are trying to say these landlords should go to jail for something they have no control of.
You say one thing and you speak with the tong of a snake.
Why do you think your shit don't stink.
Your a odd ball trying to fit in.
Hell most parents can't control their own kids so how are landlords supposed to control these drinkers? Just another scam to make politicians look good at someone elses expense. Great leadership and very deserving to St. Paul. Let us know how it's working for you after a year or so.
adults who knowingly allow parties where minors are drinking alcohol, including landlords.
The ordinance says "knowingly." Knowingly means that one is aware that the event is occuring. It doesn't mean that someone knew a past event occured and therefore they have the power to stop future events.
To charge a landlord on this he would have to be aware it is happening at the moment it is happening and not be the one calling the cops.
So, like if you owned and lived in a property and the party was going on above your head, they might be able to say you were knew it was happening.
But, for most landlords this sounds like nothing.
...and Sharon I work for NENDC and that loan is to ESNDC. Not me.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Once the Police tell you it is happening then you know and if it happens again then Lantry's goon squad will be knocking on your door with court papers or some other BS to ham you up. Maybe a code inspection too. Repke talks his shit to make it seem like no big thing and then after it's law they start twisting it all around to go after the guy they think has the money.....the landlord.
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"...and Sharon I work for NENDC and that loan is to ESNDC. Not me."
What's the difference? They're all in cahoots with each other.
10:22 PM Said
adults who knowingly allow parties where minors are drinking alcohol, including landlords.
How would the landlords know,
if there is even a party going on?
Can the landlords drink, Maybe they might invite him to the party.
A landlord has over 20 rentals, how can he make all the parties on NEW YEARS EVE?
But if they don't invite him should he show up anyway?
6:29 - that is my point. The only way that this would have any effect at all is if the landlord was aware that it was going on.
So, properties where you have a caretaker would be one example of where the landlord "knows" what is happening at the property 24/7 because you have a staff person there.
For most landlord situations the ability for the City to show that the landlord "knew" what was going on is pretty limited.
...and 10:15 do you drive a Ford or a Chevy, what difference does it make, they're all cars...
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Bobby et all I've been a Forensic Analyst for years, Records follow the Office not the person First time I've heard of a Forensic Loan Officer check out this site
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You're not a forensic analyst, you're a nut job Sharon and if you satyed on subject and didn't try to hi-jack the blog for your own BS then maybe your posts would not get deleted. Don't bother with your phoney apology for posting. Just don't post any more if you can't stay on the subject at hand.
What is that joke? Insanity is when we keep doing the same thing and expect different results? Well why would St. Paul city leaders turn to ESNDC when they have failed in the past in the very same situation (leaving the city to pay moving fees!).
Click on the link above to read what I am talking about.
Bill Cullen.
Bill, if you are going to present a picture of ESNDC, why not present the whole picture? Sure there is some dead weight on the board (well, just a couple of people) but their boards leadership, and the staff are tip-freakin'-tops.
You picked one incident. This organization has 30 years of accomplishments, not just existence- accomplishments.
Most of the complainers and bellyachers on here have no clue about the organization. For those who care to find out what Bill Cullen points to as a failure, click on the link I provided to their site.
Read for yourself, I am not involved with or a spokesperson for the organization. Their work throughout the neighborhood over the years speaks for itself.
Eric
Yeah we remember their work Eric. Bob posted some things here about how they had people working in abestos......how they chased people out of their hoem for developments that never happened, etc. Just another bunch of crooks at the public troff.
Any links or proof?
Just Bob's word?
That's get you laughed out of court, over and over.
Besides, you are one those who won't go and read anything on your own. I never expected you anonymous chickenshits to actually do any research that may fly in the face of your emotions, or what you believe to be true. You sit back and wait for those who you like to send you something. Its why guys like you end up being wrong and angry, time after time.
Eric
No not just Bob's word. He had a letter from some tuns guy or something like that/ He blew the lid off your non profit thugs with some letter letting us know what they were about. He tried to blow the whistle on them and they canned him. So much for putting your name to anything your bunch has anything to do with Eric.
Mr Taubs shined the light on this organization for us.
ESNDC link above
Looks like you got put in your place again Eric.
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