FRAZEE MN./ Civil Rights Take A Back Seat To Small Town Fears
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Hi All,
How many of you ever moved some place and you get this wonderful welcoming package to the community? Bonus coupons for local businesses, invitations from the neighbors and to community events. A cake or donuts from a neighbor.
Bigotry is alive and well in rural America!
Well if you are young and black you may not be so welcome in small town rural northern Minnesota. You may violate a small town city ordinance "Walking While Black". And your welcoming committee may likely be a the local police greeting you with a unwanted violation of your civil rights while they shake you down for information of who you are and where you came from and your intentions of being in town.
As you regular readers know, my son is bi-racial (black and white)and he recently moved to Frazee Minnesota with his hispanic wife and 2 son's. They aren’t exactly strangers to the area. My son’s wife has numerous relatives in Frazee. Her dad, brothers and cousins. My son’s sister lives only 45 minutes away in Fargo.
Some of the reasons my son moved his family to Frazee are obvious. They have family there! My son also felt it was time to shake some buddies he has been friends with for years here in Saint Paul because they are single and a little wild yet and he knows it is time to grow up with the responsibility of having kids. So off to greener pastures so to speak.
My son was walking peacefully down the street in Frazee and was stopped and harassed by the Frazee police. The charge, I suspect, “WWB”(walking while black).
Most of you regular readers know my son like a lot of teens had some troubles. He’s 21 now and his “interest” is in taking care of his family. My son is looking for work in Frazee to help support his family.
All hasn’t been bad since my son moved to Frazee. He has caught a lot of Bass and made numerous friends with some not so bigoted citizens of Frazee.
As usual folks I sent out invitations to our discussion here. I didn’t want the Gestapo like nature of the Frazee police department to go unchecked. I hope they take this as a warning. You just never know what may come back and bite your ASS.
Just be happy they don't lynch blacks anymore.
Try to look on the bright side.
Things are getting better.
As if your son didn't know what to expect ? Why move to a small town like that unless there is some wonderful job opprotunity up there. If he even applys for one up there, he will be lucky to get a job at burger king.
I am surprised you didn't warn your son Bob. I would expect you to know this, now you complain about this as if it's a new thing.
Just telling the truth.
A number of years back KQRS 92.5 radio replayed a 911 call from a Northfield resident. It went something like this.
Emergency 911...
Caller... There is a black man walking down the road.
Dispatcher...A black man?
Caller...Yes!
Dispatcher...Well what is he doing?
Caller... He is walking down the road he past my house.
Dispatcher...What do you want us to do about this?
Caller... Well shouldn't the police check this guy out?
Dispatcher... What for?
Caller getting very irritable... Well it is a black man somebody should find out what he is doing here.
Bob, there is in breed hillbillies all over America.
I don't want those blacks in my neighborhood either. They weren't raised like us.
Froggy
"It's Hoppin In Frogtown"
I remember when Frogtown was really Frogtown.
I used to work at Frogtown Auto parts.
Remember the Frogtown Diner ?
Frogtown is now Asian town.
The plight of our Great American city nostaglia.
No problems with Asians though, just an observation.
Jeff Matiatos
Why let the enemy know of your whereabouts?????
Live and let Live
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Frazee+MN+Bobby+Johnson&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
8:31 said;
As if your son didn't know what to expect ? Why move to a small town like that unless there is some wonderful job opportunity up there. If he even applies for one up there, he will be lucky to get a job at burger king.
My response;
What is your insinuation, "If he even applies for one"? Don't take me down a road you don't want to travel. My son was told he had a job in Frazee before he moved. It didn't pan out. No Burger Kings in Frazee.
As far as warning my son of the bigotry in a small town. We lived in the country near Bay City Wisconsin for years where I grew up. My son rode his bicycle for 3 miles to town to see friends and he was NEVER hassled by the police or anyone else. My son was the only person of color in the entire school system, and not once was he ever called the N word or stopped by the police to check him out.
This is America and ALL of us have the right to move freely about without bigoted government intervention.
11:35 said, or should I say Sharon said..
Google Frazee said...
Why let the enemy know of your whereabouts?????
Live and let Live
My response;
Well it's like this Sharon. I don't view the government as the enemy. Folks who work within government are PUBLIC SERVENTS. Every once and a while they seem to have to be reminded of this. And it is my responsibility as a citizen to call them out over issues like this.
The Frazee police officer who stopped my son for no reason other than to check him out crossed the line of civility. Any further incidence will be dealt with harshly. How much of a legal assault do you think a small town like this could bare?
A small group of friends of this blog sued the City of Saint Paul to the point the city attorney was begging for more money to defend the city. We have a 500 million dollar budget here in this big city. What is Frazee's budget?
The town of Landfall use to have a cop until he violated a friend of mines rights. My friend sued, guess what, no cop in Landfall anymore. They couldn't afford the liability. The city of Landfall payed out thousands in compensation to my pal who was maliciouly beaten by the one and only Landfall cop. They have to depend on law enforcement from surrounding communities now. That is the price these small towns pay for ignorant actions from incompatant law enforcement officers.
Sharon, I don't HIDE from anyone. I am an in your face kind of guy and I don't give a damn who you are. You should know this after following over 3 1/2 years of my activism.
"8:31 said;
As if your son didn't know what to expect"
Don't your civil rights which restrict the governemnt kind of give you some ideas of what to expect anywhere you happen to go?
'Sanctuary City.'
http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_12582330?nclick_check=1
12,59 a.m. ,
Yes, your right and as far as Bob is concerned, in my view, the fact of your son being bi-racial is really secondary to the core of his issue with the city of Frazee.
It seems to me so I was informed that Frazee,Mn is a sanctuary city and there is a good chance Bobs sons wife is or has people close to her, that are illegal and living in this sanctuary city.
Something you need to accept Bob is that sanctuary cities are alive and well. Also not wanted by a majority of Minnesota citizens for obvious reasons.
The cops of these cities are forced to accept those illegals and these cops are struggling with listening to orders not to ask questions and on the other hand, protect the other citizens who are
working to pay for their illegal occupancy.
You need to tell your story to your democrats in the legislature.
I am for cops stopping to check alien status.
As far as I am concerned, getting stopped just once is not enough to trigger a lawsuit or yell biggotry.
Let the cops do what little they can to protect and serve.
I can gaurentee Bob, that if your son cooperated and was curteous to the officer, your son would not get questioned again. Lets hope thats the case.
8:42 said;
It seems to me so I was informed that Frazee,Mn is a sanctuary city and there is a good chance Bobs sons wife is or has people close to her, that are illegal and living in this sanctuary city.
My response;
WOW! What a leap of judgement. You assume just because my son's wife is Hispanic they are illegals. NOT!!!!!!! Her family has lived here in the U.S. for generations. None of them have ever even been to Mexico.
If you are for the police randomly stopping folks because some cop has issues than you should consider moving to China. We have rights here that guarantee our freedoms and being randomly stopped is not an example of a free country.
8:42 said;
I am for cops stopping to check alien status.
As far as I am concerned, getting stopped just once is not enough to trigger a lawsuit or yell bigotry.
My response;
So you are for cops stopping to check alien status. Then you are also for thousands of U.S. Hispanic citizens having their rights violated just to see if they are illegals. That is sick and is against everything our armed services have fought and died for.
SO you think one violation isn't enough to sue. You are wrong. It would cost the city of Frazee thousands just to produce the police files dating back years to see if others have been violated. How many folks rights need to be violated for these officers in Frazee to be held accountable? ONE!
Also, my son was courteous! If I had been the one this PIG hassled he would have gotten a tongue lashing that would of resulted in stitches. I say PIG because that is just what any officer who would violate citizens rights is, a PIG!
Don't your civil rights which restrict the governemnt kind of give you some ideas of what to expect anywhere you happen to go?
12:59 AM
Good point! Give them hell Bob!
Jamie
8:42,
As far as I am concerned, getting stopped just once is not enough to trigger a lawsuit or yell biggotry.
"In your mind it must be OK for the KKK to burn a cross at least one time on the lawn of a black family".
Well then, since it's so easy for you to assume this cop that stopped your son is a biggot, and you say I assume your sons wife is or may be an illegal, how would we ever know this if we don't ask or didn't care enough about our national security ? We citizens have just as much a right to report illegal activity we suspect and so the cops should be even more receptive.
I said that perhalps your sons wife is or has close ties to an illegal, not an accusation, just a thought.
When the cops stop you on suspicion of a driving offence, your drivers license is the first request unless they smell alchohol or sence some other kind of danger etc. Cops don't per-se stop to question alien status, but if that person cannot produce sufficient identification, an investigation of his place of origin is reasonable.
Our Supreme Court has upheld the internment of citizens of Japanese decent during the war for national security because of their presumed loyalty to the imperial nation of Japan.
In case you haven't realized, if their here illegally, then thats enough to intern them so to speak for a period of time until we can deport them because they have bad motives by by-passing immigration laws. What their true intentions are become irrelevant because they entered here illegally and cannot possibly be legally employed. Your son was not violated in any way. If you still think he was, then bring it on, don't wait for another to become a victim. SUE !!!
Practice what you preach.
Getting questioned by the police is not uncommon anywhere.
You have a right to refuse to answer the questions by the police.
You have a right to have an attorney present at anytime you are questioned by the police.
You simply ask the officer if he suspects you of violating the law and the right to refuse conversation if the officer cannot
justify the stop. This is how you react.
Comparing the KKK and cross burning to being questioned by the police is way beyond the issue here. In Bobs world, lets just exempt from questioning by the police, any person who doesn't have snow white skin. Better yet, lets ask the police to have their mouths duct taped whil on patrol. Hell, don't ask any questions !!
Bob,
You're handling this well. Make sure your son keeps it together. Ignore the fools who love their second amendment but ignore or can't even recognize the fourth or fourteenth amendments that are being violated by something like this.
As you know, I went to a college in rural Minnesota, and have lived and worked (even today) in states and parts of Minnesota where there is almost no visible minorities. It happens a lot, but a lot less to me since I've gotten older and can't be mistaken for someone in their 20s. Even today, educated, wearing a suit, and clearly about business, I get the stink-eye. When I was younger, just ten years ago, I would have gotten questions.
I made mistakes in my early 20's and learned that the cops are in control at that moment. Get their piss-poor asses back afterwards. They have the guns and their word versus yours with no witnesses. Its a loosing situation at the moment.
Your son did the best thing, just comply but, try to remember everything from the badge number to the reason, if any is given, for the questioning. There is no need to escalate the situation on the spot, less it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Besides, some of these cops are looking for something out of the ordinary to charge them up.
When he gets home, call the department and file a complaint (won't go anywhere), file an inquiry with the state Human Rights Department (it will eventually get to questioning the department and your son), and then give your buddy Ruben Rosario a call to pitch this story (nothing moves justice like bad publicity). The moment a reporter starts calling around, it lights a fire under people.
Frazee is not a sanctuary city as far I know. The link in the 3:56am goes to a story about sanctuary cities. Truth is, criminals ARE checked for citizenship.
8:42
Getting stop just once, is unconstitutional. China may be too open for you, go to North Korea. I can't believe you live here and don't want others here but, you know nothing about the governing documents. You don't piss on the constitution just because its inconvenient. Who do you think you are? George Bush?
Eric
Okay, lessons are needed.
Your Fourth Amendment Right:
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Froggy and Jeff, the phrase "secure in their persons" directly means just walking around even if you are not on your own property.
Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment reads:
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Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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When you stop and question citizens (and you're a fool if you think you don't have to answer their questions) you are not giving them the same protections others who are 'acceptable' looking (white). You are denying their rights spelled out in the Fourth Amendment.
This has been fought and won in profiling case after case. It is EXACTLY why I think the new MN Seat Belt Law will be struck down an unconstitutional. Just watch, the first attorney to take this to courts will win. It was a sellout piece of legislation that I disagree with the DFL on.
'People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both
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-Benjamin Franklin
Eric
Loitering mean anything to you or do I have to cite the statute?
There are plenty unlawful circumstances that police have a right to question citizens while they are out and about.
Pimping, prostitution, selling drugs, unlawful protests, urinating in public, so on and so on.
Get a grip Eric !
Sure, trying to file a complaint against the cop in a small town would work. HA HA. Right.
Good luck since it's probably an MO of that police department anyways.
First of all, Bob wants us to assume his son was harassed ie :
" The charge, I suspect, " walking while black.
Who's making assumptions now ?
Is it not a coincidence that Eric comes out of the wood work when the issue is about a bi-racial black man ? Really no issue at all, a cop has a right to ask questions and I assume, as Bob can, that Bob doesn't know the whole sory or is failing to tell us something about the stop. Like I said before, SUE Bob or tell us your going to file a complaint or shut up.
11:32
I don't care to inform you but, apparently there are those who are interested in more than uninformed gripes and bitching.
I noticed in every one of those incidents, there is law written and upheld by the courts that is specific enough, that's the key, specific enough to involve police inquiry.
Loitering ordinances have been struck down across the country. So just walking down the street or standing around on the street is NOT enough for police inquiry. Te easiest federal case to cite on this is Chicago vs. Moreles
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City of Chicago v. Morales, 527 U.S. 41 (1999).
The city of Chicago challenged the Supreme Court of Illinois’ decision that a Gang Congregation Ordinance violated the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution for impermissible vagueness -- lack of notice of proscribed conduct and failure to govern law enforcement. The ordinance prohibited criminal street gang members from loitering in a public place. The ordinance allowed a police officer to order persons to disperse if the officer observed any person loitering that the officer reasonably believed to be a gang member. The Supreme Court affirmed the judgment of the Illinois Supreme Court and ruled the ordinance unconstitutionally vague under the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Specifically, the court ruled that the ordinance violated the requirement that a legislature establish guidelines to govern law enforcement. Additionally, the ordinance failed to give the ordinary citizen adequate notice of what constituted the prohibited conduct – loitering. The ordinance defined “loitering” as “to remain in any one place with no apparent purpose.” The vagueness the Court found was not uncertainty as to the normal meaning of “loitering” but to the ordinance’s definition of that term. The court reasoned that the ordinary person would find it difficult to state an “apparent purpose” for why they were standing in a public place with a group of people. “Freedom to loiter for innocent purposes,” the court reiterated, is part of the liberty protected by the due process clause of the fourteenth amendment.
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There are only about two dozen more at the federal level and several dozen at the state level. All within the last ten years so its been conservative leaning courts for the most part making these rulings against Democratic leaning cities and legislatures.
Eric
11:45
See the difference. You continue to write about what you 'think' and 'assume'. People like me have to come here and cite facts and the rule of law. Yet, you still argue that.
I came out of the blue because this is not some subjective issue, its an issue on the Constitution which I like to debate. Its also an issue that I can personally relate to.
Following those steps I laid out is not to get desired results but, to also run the process that's been setup. Exposing a bad cop is one thing, exposing a phony process causes change.
I haven't made a case about the race issue- you are. I'm making a case about the constitution. You are a typical "low information" conservative. You argue by projecting your own short comings on others.
Look it up Jeff.
Eric
11:45 said;
Bob doesn't know the whole sory or is failing to tell us something about the stop. Like I said before, SUE Bob or tell us your going to file a complaint or shut up.
My response;
I know the whole story! My son was stopped in broad daylight walking down the street. NONE of his newly found white friends in Frazee have ever been stopped like this. When my son told them what happened they thought it was outrageous and it shouldn't of happened. Also, I would never leave something out of a story just to suit my objectives. I have a reputation and credibility to uphold.
Further more, I have a super relationship with my son and when it comes to legal issues he has always been truthful with me because I offer advice and assistance and he knows I have to know the truth to be able to help him. My son wanted me to let this issue fly! I am so angry over this shit I can't and won't. There is citizens like you who think it is just fine these kinds of things are going on, until it starts happening to you.
I posted this publicly because this is how you STOP these kinds of civil rights violations. It is my RESPONSIBILITY as a citizen of a free country to inform and voice my opinion on these issues.
Thank you Eric for the information you provided and the advice.
One more thing! I notified Frazee city officials of the discussion here. I emailed all the city council members, the police, the fire department, other city staffers, the mayor and their local newspaper. DO ANY of you see a comment from a Frazee official here? No, of coarse not. my guess is they are stunned and EMBARRASSED.
Here's what they'll do:
A notice will go out to tell everyone to ignore this and not say a word. They will watch to see if your next move creates any kind of legal record (first reporting and filing the incident with the police management, forwarding a photo copy to the council- next, start the process with the state Human Rights Department, keep all the records, then go to the press both big and small).
Its important you take these steps because they are waiting to see how serious you are, or if you really can cause a problem for them.
Their words mean crap. Start the paper trail so that when Buddy's friends visit, or his in-laws, they are given the same respect as any other person living in that community deserves.
Eric
Thanks Eric.. I did call a friend of mine with Humane Rights. I am waiting for him to return my call.
I will follow through with the appropriate complaints because I do not want other people of color to be treated like this in Frazee.
It was embarrassing for my son to be standing on the street with a squad cars lights flashing while he was getting the illegal shake down. He did NOTHING WRONG. My son's charge, WWB! F..ing PIG!
Someone I know experienced a situation where he was a night cook
not far from where he lived.
He was walking home around midnight and a police car rolled up and asked him for identification. He replied why, have I done anything wrong ? The cop replied that there was a call of a person fitting his description running through the yards in that neighborhood.
He didn't have any ID so the cop put him in the back of the squad until he gave the cop some credible information to verify his identity and the cops could rule him out as a possible suspect in a prowling incident.
Whats wrong with this picture ?
Nothing that I can see.
" I do not want other people of color to be treated like this in Frazee "
Me to Bob ? I am a white guy.
Bob said,
It was embarrassing for my son to be standing on the street with a squad cars lights flashing while he was getting the illegal shake down. He did NOTHING WRONG. My son's charge, WWB! F..ing PIG!
Move Buddy. The cop has you marked a trouble maker to everyone who drove by. Bob, you are a true patriot, keep up the good work. Nice to see you posting again Eric. My wife (Elizabeth) missed you too.
Alex Wendt
"East Side Pride"
You know I am from Frazee and the police there are from from racist. You need to get your predjudice butt down here and see for yourself and talk to the members of the community that are black. What was your son doing? How was he harassed? Was he just simply asked what he was doing and that was it? What time of the day was the contact. Was he patted down and treated poorly or just talked to. When is talking to somone a bad thing? What is your definition of harassment. How many times have the police stopped him? Once? Wow that sounds like an epidemic. For you information there are no jobs in Frazee so if he is looking for one in Frazee he is going to be looking for a long time. Sounds to me you are the one that has the problem. If you have no more to do then to complain about a police officer talking to you son you better get a hobby. I be that officer now that he knows your son is a resident of the community will be nothing but helpful to him from now on as long as your son is the same way. At least in Frazee the police treat all the citizens well unless the citizen gives them a reason not to. So watch your threats and your ignorant statements until you know what really happened and why.
4:05 said,
You know I am from Frazee and the police there are from from racist.
You need to get your predjudice butt down here and see for yourself and talk to the members of the community that are black.
My response;
"The Police are from from racist". Well thank you for telling us something I already suspect. To start with I doubt highly you are a Frazee resident. There is only 2 other blacks besides my son in Frazee and I am waiting to hear from them. You are more likely the fella who has been losing the debate here.
4:05 said;
What was your son doing?
My response;
Like I said he was walking down the street in broad daylight. read the comments here and I won't have to repeat myself.
4:05 said;
How was he harassed?
My response;
A civi rights breaking PIG stopped him and gave him the 3rd degree like he was some gun slinging stranger in town.
4:05 said;
Was he just simply asked what he was doing and that was it?
My response;
NO, the PIG ran a warrant check on him after giving him the 3rd degree. Is this how the residence of Frazee greet new citizens to the community. If so you are a bunch of back woods hillbillies.
4:05 said;
What time of the day was the contact. BROAD DAY LIGHT..Like I said.
4:05 said;
Was he patted down and treated poorly or just talked to. When is talking to somone a bad thing? What is your definition of harassment. How many times have the police stopped him? Once? Wow that sounds like an epidemic.
My response;
The PIG had no right to even stop and question my son. NONE! NOT EVEN ONCE! He violated my son's constitutional rights PERIOD!
4:05 said;
For you information there are no jobs in Frazee so if he is looking for one in Frazee he is going to be looking for a long time.
My response;
This is another reason I know you aren't from Frazee. There is JOBS in that area. It's the damn TURKEY capitol.
4:05 said;
Sounds to me you are the one that has the problem. If you have no more to do then to complain about a police officer talking to you son you better get a hobby.
My response;
You bet I have a problem with police officers violating folks constitutional rights. As far as a hobby, read my profile I have many hobbies and defending civil rights is not a hobby it is a passion and I am happy to inform you I get "paid" to do it.
4:05 said;
At least in Frazee the police treat all the citizens well unless the citizen gives them a reason not to. So watch your threats and your ignorant statements until you know what really happened and why.
My response;
I know what happened and I expect this kind of thing to STOP in Frazee or ELSE! My statements aren't a threat, it's a PROMISE!
If you live in Frazee and feel your constitutional rights have been violated by the Frazee police call me. My number is 651-644-4589
Bob, Becker County isn't exactly giving away the turkey jobs. The county unemployment numbers aren't that pretty... although what looks weird to my untrained eye, the number of jobs is fairly steady, but in the last new months quite a few people have joined your son looking for work up there...
http://www.deed.state.mn.us/lmi/tools/laus/detail.aspx?geog=2704000005
by the way, I think it sucks what happened to your son. all the way back up in your first post, you said "Bigotry is alive and well in rural America!" unfortunately, you can just cross out "rural" and you'd be just as accurate. look what some other morons are doing out there:
http://www.nashvilleistalking.com/2009/06/sen-diane-blacks-r-gallatin-legislative-aid-circulates-racist-email
Thank you for the links Danno
Hey Bob,
Why haven't you called or emailed the chief over there your complaint so he/she can try to deal with it before blowing it all up like this? Or have your son go talk to him/her. Why haven't you given the chief the chance to take care of this before smearing the police department all over the place? I am sure given the chance the chief would take care of the issue at hand. Having the city officials have to find out about this through your blog is not the right way to start dealing with the issue. You never gave the chief a chance to address anything before posting this all over the place. How is that right? In a way you are doing the same thing that you are accusing one of their officers of doing. I still dont't think that the officer had the intention of harassing your son, at least I hope not. I have been in Frazee and I have seen more then two black people in that city so there is more then just two there. I think if you calmed down and had your adult son contact the chief there things would be addressed.
I didn't get the jest of who may of posted this yesterday.
10:44 said: In Bobs world, lets just exempt from questioning by the police, any person who doesn't have snow white skin. Better yet, lets ask the police to have their mouths duct taped whil on patrol. Hell, don't ask any questions!!
Is this you Chuck?
Chuck you were screaming like a little girl when the cops pulled your son over a little over a week ago to "check him out". Only difference between your son being pulled over and my son being stopped is, the cop covered his ass when he pulled your son over with a stinking lie they commonly have used for years.
This is really simple Chuck, there is a constitution and the police are SUPPOSE to respect it.
I doubt that 10:44 is Chuck. That post reads like the one above it, the same guy who puts two 'g's in bigotry. I'm thinking its someone who used to write here often and is angry at being restrained to civility so they post anonymously now.
Plus, Chuck is a fan of using his signature and moniker.
Eric
8:22, all of us are entitled to an opinion. However, this is how I deal with issues like this. It may not be pretty but it gets right to the point. As I stated earlier, I sent email invitations out to numerous city officials in Frazee, including the police chief.
In my opinion dealing with these issues without public exposure is not a good idea. This cop may of gotten a wink and a nod from his commander. I wasn't going to take that chance. None of us know the politics of Frazee and their perception of new comers to the area. For all I know the city council, mayor and others within local government there may have instigated these constitutional violations. As far as the population of blacks go in Frazee, I am waiting to see if there is more than 3. Right now my information from folks who have lived there for years is 3 counting my son.
The police chief of Frazee sent me this email.
Dear Mr. Johnson,
I have just read your postings on this subject. I would like for you son to come down to my office and meet with me to discuss this incident. I can assure you that if he was treated the way you claim he was it will be dealt with. After reading the postings, I can assure you that we have several other residents in our community that are black. There are not just two. Again, please have your son come speak with me so I can find out when this happened and find out which officer had contact with him and why. There are many reasons an officer may stop someone and talk to them. I whole heartedly agree that race should not be one of those reasons and if that is occurring here I will put a stop to it.
Sincerely,
Chief Mike Lorsung
Frazee Police Department
Thank you CHIEF! It is refreshing to know you are concerned.
How does the chief of police know how many blacks their are in his town ?
Why would he want to know ?
Did he count them or do his fellow officers or city administrators keep tabs ?
I happen to support Bobs concerns about his son. I have my views about illegal immigration and other opinions as you all know.
Sorry Eric, I am not the poster that is spreading the venom on this posting.
Consider me corrected Jeff.
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Bob,
Good job. Understand that this happened because of leverage and not out of the kindness of anyone's heart. I would still file an official report just in case when it happens again, its not treated as some isolated incident. When other people screw up on their job that could cost consumer confidence in the company, if they are not fired, they are reprimanded and its noted.
Have Buddy go in and talk to the Chief anyway- you go with him.
Eric
Too bad Eric doesn't feel the same way about other city employees and officials who break the law in St. Paul.
Bob, reading this thread i have some thoughts.
The anonymous poster Eric thought was Jeff, i'm guessing it is a Frazee police officer or resident.
it isn't WWB it maybe WWM walking while Mexican. i haven't met your son I guess he may have a complexsion simular to hispanics.
For every Mexican they send home there is a job vacancy for a local.
Read the anonymous post again. i think you may come to the same conculsion. Just my opinion.
1:57pm
Nice try. It doesn't matter whether you believe I feel the same way about St Paul employees or not. I have three years of posts on here that show me saying the same thing about racist city employees.
As a matter of fact, I recently wrote how the far fetched RICO suit weakens the ability to weed out the individuals who do their jobs with a temperament toward their personal prejudices.
I have asked over and over to name names and walk them through the process almost exactly like I suggested for Frazee.
I'm also the only one posting with regularity that have supported actions against city employees based on discrimination.
One day you'll realize the point of RICO was never to win their case but, to muddle the case up and attempt to extort a settlement from the city. If the landlords really cared about discrimination, they would have had their tenants of the protected classes living in below code accommodations. Start there. They all admit to having violations. ALL.
Eric
Ralph,
So they thought he was a Mexican and that makes it OK? WTF is wrong with you? The Constitution is not just a bunch of rights of for the citizens, its the handbook on how the government interacts and govern our citizens.
Stopping, questioning and running his name through the system searching for warrants is bullshit. The chief knows this and will try to cover the ass of his officer. Its not just not nice or inconvenient, its illegal.
You've been given the clear Constitutional language.
You've been given recent case study.
Yet, you still are angling for a reason why its OK?
Ralph, you're what's wrong with this country.
Eric
Unemployment rates soaring, that is a security threat. Get rid of em
If I was a frazee police officer I'd run plates everytime I suspected illegals. Traffic stops are easy to justify.
Ralph,
Security threat to what?
You've already decided that to keep you from hiding under some desk and keep the scary dark people away from you, you're willing to piss on an shred the constitution.
What's left?
I got a suggestion, how about you chicken idiots that know nothing about the country, or even care to learn anything about it, just leave? You're adding anything but fear and prejudice to national psych. Its an old schtick that has lost its step. Scram and start your own country.
Pat Buchanan can be your Furor.
Eric
Bob, you may feel your son was victimized by the officer that you believe harassed him, but is calling the officer a PIG really the way you deal with it ? It exposes the fact that you have a general disrespect for police officers by using the word.
Be a bigger man. Immature.
I am surprised Eric didn't say something about Bob calling the officer a PIG.
I suppose Eric doesn't care either because of course, Eric is black and a white officer is the supposed violator in this story.
Is calling the officer a PIG the right way to deal with the situation Eric ? Bob says it's a race thing so why not just say the bad white honky PIG harassed my son. Thats really what Bob is saying. Bob, your reaction could have been alot better. Can you admit that ?
7:43,
You have to pay attention if you are going to participate.
Look above and you'll see that I have been addressing this as a Constitutional issue, the race angle and bigotry have come from you and your ilk. You just can't see past race.
And with that, "Pig" is not a racial epithet. However, when you used it in the phrase "white honky pig"- you made it one. Congratulations.
Stick to the issue.
Are you going to try and make everything about me or create some false position I supposedly have within every story?
Your own prejudices prevent you from taking a stand with the basic premise of our justice system- innocent until proven guilty.
Some of you have labeled Buddy as being guilty of something including being black or Mexican and therefore, that's enough for the police to detain him, search his person, and run his name through the computer.
You're either too ignorant or too mired in your own racism to see that its the kind of police action that happens in countries we tend to blow up, look down on, or hold up as examples of oppressive and repressive regimes.
Eric
So let me ask all of you this. Instead of bashing the police and wasting all your money on lawsuits, why don't you step up and try lessen the issues in a positive way by like buying those car cameras for some of these departments so everything is recorded and then it isn't one person's word against another's. Why can't you find a positive constructive way to achieve your goals instead of name calling. You are doing the same thing that you are accusing the police of they way you are doing it here.
10:01am,
Are you talking to me?
If so, you need to again- pay some attention.
I have not addressed the racial aspect or resorted to police bashing. I have only taken the constitutional angle citing, you know, the Constitution and Judicial precedence.
What is your malfunction? You can type but cannot read? Kinda assbackwards but, fitting.
Bob is not anywere close to doing what the cop is accused of doing.
What part of ILLEGAL is unclear?
It is ILLEGAL to stop, search and run a check on a person for no specific reason directly related to a crime. ILLEGAL.
Cops are given extraordinary power over your Rights that are spelled out for you in the Constitution. In exchange for that power- they are held to higher standard. This is drilled in their heads through the academy and they swear through an oath to honor that standard and to uphold the Constitution.
Bob called him a name that is not racial or incites violence - its also protected by that same Constitution. Bob is not a cop or any kind of official that can terminate an individuals legal rights.
Its apples and rugby.
Eric
Depending on the time of day the police have a right to ask "what's up?". I am getting so sick of the blacks walking around with a chip on their shoulder just waiting for a chance to file a lawsuit. Pull up your sissy pants, tuck in your shirt and gain some respect! Trust me everybody in that little town is watched so stop your crying about it. We do not want crime in our town! Welcome to REAL America.
Justin,
I know growing up with no future may have left you bitter, but it didn't have to leave ignorant and illiterate.
Only your comrades from Frazee have suggested a lawsuit. THEY told Bob to sue or shut up. The only other advice came from me. I told Bob to use the process that's in place when citizens think they have been wronged by their government employees. I repeat- the process that's already in place. No lawsuits needed.
The only 'chip on the shoulder' seems to come from the idiots up your way who want to make this a racial issue. You know, with all of your exposure to blacks and such living in Frazee, you feel you have expertise to make sweeping statements about them.
This is a Constitutional issue. It doesn't matter that every single resident of Frazee thinks its OK for cops to act unconstitutional, its still wrong, unethical, and possibly illegal. (just like it doesn't matter that the legislature passed this new seatbelt law, it will be struck down the first time it goes to court).
Here's a clue:
"Real America" is not some closed off insular town. Its right here in St Paul and other surrounding cities where all kinds of people love, hate, work with, work against, communicate and interact with each other. Its where a kid can go to college, or trade school, or the work force right after high school and have options.
Not some one horse town with six cops, a fucking turkey plant and residents who depend on OUR tax dollars for their everyday convenience, like funding half of those cops, a sewer system, or subsidizing the turkey plant's expansion with tax dollars from the Cities.
Small brained, ignorant and 'chip on shoulder' is no way to make it in the real world Justin. It sounds like it may be just fine for Frazee.
Eric
Anonymous said...
Bob, you may feel your son was victimized by the officer that you believe harassed him, but is calling the officer a PIG really the way you deal with it ? It exposes the fact that you have a general disrespect for police officers by using the word.
Be a bigger man. Immature.
6:51 AM
My response;
I clearly stated, "any officer who would violate constitutional rights is a PIG"! I stand by it. As far as disrespect for all police officer that is an assumption from someone who needs a clue. I worked closely with law enforcement for many years investigating violent crimes.
The term PIG is a throw back from the 60's.
Bob, your reaction could have been alot better. Can you admit that ?
7:43 AM
My response;
My reaction, WAS PERFECT!!!
Hey Eric,
I can't find anywhere where it said that Bob's son was searched by the police. If a white person was stopped in the same circumstance would you be saying anything? Probably not. There is nothing illegal about the police contacting a person and asking some questions. It doesn't sound like the cops grabbed him and flung him on the hood of the car and searched him and said a bunch of bad things to him or anything of the sort. Now I will agree that no one should be harassed because of the color of their skin. But I also feel that the color of someone's skin should not be used as a defense or an automatic reason why the police talked to them. Except for being contacted by a police officer for whatever reason I haven't read in anyway how he was mistreated by the cop that talked to him. By looking at Frazee it seems to be a very small town and being the size that it is the police probably know most of the citizens regardless of color. None of us know what transpired there and you are just assuming there was not any reason for the cop contacting him except for his color. Is there some reason you can't admit that there is valid reasons for cops to contact a pedestrian and inquire to their name and such or are the cops only allowed to contact white people while they are walking but stay away from everyone else because of the color of their skin? What sense does that make. There are bad cops out there. But not every cop is a bad one. Not every contact by a cop of a person of any color is a racially motivated contact so why are you making it out to be? The point that 10:01 was trying to make, I think, about what you are doing as being the same is that you are being predjudice towards all police because of your negative contacts with them. You are assuming all cops are bad and are racially bias. Again, would you be saying a word if they stopped a white person in the same circumstance? No, being called a pig is not a racial slur but it is meant to be an insult to someone that at this point you don't have the right to insult because you don't know the full story. Again, I think that if a cop is harassing anyone only because of the color of the person's skin it is wrong and it should be dealt with. But should the cops now stop and say "Wait, I have a call about a suspicious person but I better not do my job because that person isn't white and might be offended if I stop and ask them for their name and what they are doing." It is stupid to make the cops have to do that. You need to be willing to admit that the offer made a valid contact or at least the contact was made because of skin color. It does happen that the cops do actually make contacts that are legal and they do have the right to stop someone so they can investigate something going on in that area. There are and were a lot of assumptions made by a lot of people here that seem to be motivated by hatred of the cops and not off of the facts and unbiased opinion. Any type of discrimination is bad but reverse discrimination is just as wrong and just as bad. So tell me why the name calling and hatred had to start right away? Why the jumping to conclusions? Why the slams to someone that doesn't agree with you? Why not just give your thoughts and opinions with out all the bias and hatred. It's not like Frazee is like LAPD or anything that bad or that they have a history of harassment of anyone.
Ralph, it is folks like you who will bring on the demise of the Constitution and our freedoms. Do you want to live in a police state? Are you OK with citizens fearing their government? What would you do if the tables were turned and you were the one having your rights violated?
The actions you are supporting breeds contempt toward our law enforcement officers and government.
Can't we all just get along?
It wouldn't matter if Buddy was white unless you know of a different constitution for white people, EVERYTHING I wrote still applies because for the SIXTH time now on the same thread I have to tell you-
I'm approaching this from the Constitutional angle only!!! Only you guys who defend it, are trying to make it about race.
Go back and read what I wrote, look up the case I cited, try to remember what country you live in. You are so blinded by your own bigotry you can't see past color and look objectively at this situation. You're perfect for a corrupt jury.
Oh yeah, stop trying to assign me positions when I have clearly staked mine out ya tiny minded jerk.
Why are you guys soooo obsessed with race?
Are all of you writing from China or North Korea or Russia 1986?
Eric
The race thing didn't come from you Eric, it came from Bob. Not very cool that you have accused some of the posters here of making a race issue out of it when clearly, Bob did.
However, I can assure you that police don't like being called PIGs anymore than someone being called, well, every dirty racists or derogatory name in the book.
You feel your rights are violated, then take it to court or work it out. We will be waiting to hear if Bobs son meets the chief, or Bob is just blowing smoke out his ass because he is disgruntled about life in general.
Work it out my ass. The only government wants to work out is what favors them and puts the unconnected people at a disadvantage. The only reason they want anyone to come in is to find out what they know and who else knows and what they can do to cover it up ro whitewash it or make the whistleblower or complainer look bad. Whoever it is a person is complaining about is likely to be promoted as a matter of fact.
Not very cool that you have accused some of the posters here of making a race issue out of it when clearly, Bob did.
Clearly just Bob? What about the following:
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Just be happy they don't lynch blacks anymore.
Try to look on the bright side.
Things are getting better.
I don't want those blacks in my neighborhood either. They weren't raised like us.
Froggy
there is a good chance Bobs sons wife is or has people close to her, that are illegal and living in this sanctuary city.
Ralph said:
it isn't WWB it maybe WWM walking while Mexican. i haven't met your son I guess he may have a complexsion simular to hispanics.
For every Mexican they send home there is a job vacancy for a local.
If I was a frazee police officer I'd run plates everytime I suspected illegals. Traffic stops are easy to justify.
I suppose Eric doesn't care either because of course, Eric is black and a white officer is the supposed violator in this story.
Is calling the officer a PIG the right way to deal with the situation Eric ? Bob says it's a race thing so why not just say the bad white honky PIG harassed my son.
I am getting so sick of the blacks walking around with a chip on their shoulder just waiting for a chance to file a lawsuit. Pull up your sissy pants, tuck in your shirt and gain some respect! Trust me everybody in that little town is watched so stop your crying about it. We do not want crime in our town! Welcome to REAL America.
If a white person was stopped in the same circumstance would you be saying anything? Probably not.
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None of those statements were put forth by Bob.
According to the Census, Frazee has a black population of .006 and out of 1,300 residents, that's about six people and a baby.
Its a town that is dependent on government as its biggest employer so if we (Twin City residents) are going to foot their bills, the least we can get is some common courtesy and not have our rights violated. I don't care if it was one of the these white teens over here on the East Side with the wife-beater shirt, baggy shorts and hat cocked to the side, you cannot do this targeted stop and question crap.
Eric
Bob is just blowing smoke out his ass because he is disgruntled about life in general.
4:51 PM
My response;
Listen DUDE! My dog is 13 years old and dying. My ole lady has 2 different kinds of cancer, a bad back and heart. 2 heart attacks in one year. However, I still go on with life and live everyday as if it were my last. And I will tell you why. I love life and I love people.
I donate countless hours to repairing homes of elderly and handicap folks who can not afford these repairs and I do it all for free with money out of my pocket. With the donations from a regular of this list I have helped feed hundreds of residents of Saint Paul. Disgruntled with life. I pray to the Lord I live to be 120 years old so I can continue to help others for as long as possible.
It isn't my choice as to whether my son will speak to the Chief or not. That is his choice. I have forwarded the information to him and suggested if he goes in to see the chief I will go with him and bring a video camera.
P.S.
Since the word PIG is offending Mr. Anonymous. I will appease you and call the cop what he is, "A CRIMNAL"! He broke the LAW!
This is a message to the criminal who stopped my son. When you get ready for work and you take that last look in the mirror to see if you are dressed appropriately, have this thought. Today on patrol will I be honorable, law abiding and up hold the law, or will I be a PIG and violate constitutional rights?
Eric, you have pointed out that several posters here have commented on race.
What do you expect when it's part of the issue ? Bob brought it up. These people are simply responding to it.
Just because some here don't care for blacks, hispanics, whoever, it's what we expected to see here because our constitution lets us speak our minds and Bob knows that in this truth seeking mission of a blog, the differences we have about everything that thats is integral within our society can only be worked out if people have a venue for wich to be informed and perhalps be educated about social issues, politics, and corruption.
You know that saying if everybody were rich, money would be worthless. Same thing applies Eric, if we didn't have democrats for you to support, you wouldn't have republicans to bash and you wouldn't be supporting the likes of Chris Coleman.
So this is why adversity is good.
Maybe we can resolve race issues by debating, not chasing off the racists. Confront them and give them a podium for which to throw eggs in their face.
Big words Bob. I bet your son isn't as angry as you are.
You have the right to file a complaint at the state level. You have the right to seek an internal affairs investigation as a concerned citizen. Even if your not a resident of Frazee.
Are you going to do this ? If not, I suggest you see someone before your anger gets the best of you. Better yet, why not confront the cop man to man ?
Big words Bob. I bet your son isn't as angry as you are.
You have the right to file a complaint at the state level. You have the right to seek an internal affairs investigation as a concerned citizen. Even if your not a resident of Frazee.
Are you going to do this ? If not, I suggest you see someone before your anger gets the best of you. Better yet, why not confront the cop man to man ?
8:01 PM
My response;
Listen PAL! I think it is very likely you are the ANGRY cop violating citizens rights posting here! Pissed off are you because your stinking crime is being talked about publicly? Are you the tough guy with a badge and gun who abuses his authority? I don't post here anonymously, you do. I use my name. I posted my phone number. Who is scared, you or I?
I don't fear anyone. And I use physical force only when defending myself.
This is a public invitation to the cop who stopped my son. Come here and tell us why you stopped him.
Anger.. I have healthy anger and I channel it in positive ways. :)
Look, you contacted the chief so work with him to resolve and clarify the issue. It is your sons issue and I have to wonder why he doesn't post here ?
Seems like your just interested in a powerplay with the department to advance a personal agenda.
My son doesn't post here because he doesn't have Internet access.
Personal Agenda?
Now that is ludicrous! Civil rights concerns everyone. How do I personally own concerns over civil rights violation and race issues? It is something that concerns us all.
Look, it is obvious you are a Frazee city employee because you find my aggressiveness on this issue unusual and of coarse I am sure very embarrassing for the Frazee police. All I can tell you is read through this blog. This is the way I deal with these issues. I have a passion for defending civil rights and it really gets personal when it effects a family member.
Soon, this story like the hundreds before it will fall off into the abyss of the archives. And hopeful someone out there will have learned lessons from this exchange.
The model of the A Democracy Town Hall is-
"We are on a truth seeking mission"
Eric, if we didn't have democrats for you to support, you wouldn't have republicans to bash and you wouldn't be supporting the likes of Chris Coleman.
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You forget one thing- I'm a democrat. Its the issues, not the individuals, most of them you can have. I would still be one if I was the only one around and lived in a town where most of them were ran out. I'd probably have more fun.
I don't bash republicans, I tell the truth and they think its bashing.
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So this is why adversity is good.
Maybe we can resolve race issues by debating, not chasing off the racists. Confront them and give them a podium for which to throw eggs in their face.
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I'm not trying to run racist off but, I'm not trying to pretend they stand on some equal platform either. The very fact that one is a racist would mean they would have to ignore simple logic and reason. Without reason, there can be no honest discussion. Its why everytime one of them speaks freely, they make an ass of themselves. The negative is that they also pick up one or two simple minds to join them.
I respond to that ignorance because for far to long we thought by ignoring them they would go away. They didn't.
However, in this case I'm sticking with the actions as reported and see some possible constitutional issues and that's something that applies to all citizens, no matter race or age.
Eric
Well low and behold the great Eric is able to see some constitutional issues! That's probably because they don't threaten his little pet city St. Paul.
"The negative is that they also pick up one or two simple minds to join them. "
So Eric......are you saying that the blog is populated with simple minds?
does not matter if he says it or not, its lots of evidence showing this blog is populated with simple minds.
The negative is that they also pick up one or two simple minds to join them. "
So Eric......are you saying that the blog is populated with simple minds?
6:15 AM
Anonymous said...
does not matter if he says it or not, its lots of evidence showing this blog is populated with simple minds.
7:47 AM
My response;
This blog is diversified with all walks of life. Poor, wealthy, educated, uneducated, multi cultural. And of coarse angry folks who get taken to the mat making negative comments like the ones above. Everyone is welcome here, I don't care who you are.
The important thing is, there is folks here who are concerned about our society and are willing to take action to address our issues.
And willing like you Bob, to get slammed to the mat yourself.
Hope your not to hurt.
Bob said...
Anonymous said...
And willing like you Bob, to get slammed to the mat yourself.
Hope your not to hurt.
9:36 AM
My response;
Willing to get slammed to the mat? You bet!
We have discussed some serious issues here over the years. Most the time I wish I was wrong and was taken to the mat. If I am taken to the mat it is a kind of truth that is easier to bare. That is usually not the case.
Hi All,
My use of the word "pig" was bigoted. I am not sorry for using it. I did it intentionally. Now this cop who stopped my son knows what it is like to be treated this way.
I have no disrespect for police officers. They have a tough job. I wish all the law enforcement officers reading here a long safe life.
Sure took you a hell of a long time to admit it.
You should delete your own posting.
Bob,
All these comments, it looks like you really struck a nerve regarding attitudes in outlying places.
What does this all mean!
Eric your advice at 2:21 is good but when should the signal for the Attornies go out to start hovering in a holding pattern waiting to scarf up the treats?
Bob says fight bigotry with bigotry. Wow. Is that how it's done Eric ?
Bob says fight bigotry with bigotry. Wow. Is that how it's done Eric ?
7:04 PM
I fight bigotry with public exposure. I am one who believes you treat folks the way you want to be treated. Therefore I feel absolutely justified in dishing out some of this cops medicine to him.
You don't like the way I deal with bullies, I could careless. Check your pants and see if you have any balls. You find some come back and post using your name.
What would you do if I posted my name. Find me and kick my ass ? You look like the type of guy I could knock over with one hand tied behind my back. Don't worry, I don't pick on little guys 1 third my size. Anyhow, fighting bigotry with bigotry is childish.
Name calling is your way of dealing with bullies. I just knock them out. Your not really giving this cop his medicine by calling him a bigot PIG when you can't be sure he is reading here.
Tell it to his face. You might think twice about it once you see that this cop is probably able to kick your ass. And after he does, call the cops.
12:22 said;
What would you do if I posted my name. Find me and kick my ass ?
My response;
No, I said earlier I only use force when defending myself. I will add I have had to use force to defend others. I just think you are a real chicken shit talking smack to me and not having the guts to put your name on it.
12.22 said;
You look like the type of guy I could knock over with one hand tied behind my back. Don't worry, I don't pick on little guys 1 third my size.
My response;
You are ignorant as hell. The photo you see of me. That is George Orwell. Do a internet search and educate yourself. I have rightfully knocked plenty of guys bigger than me on thier ass. I am strong as a bull and I have been trained to fight. Boxing use to be a hobbie.
12:22 said;
Anyhow, fighting bigotry with bigotry is childish.
Name calling is your way of dealing with bullies. I just knock them out.
My response;
Now "that" is childish and can get you in jail. You better wait until you get hit before you hit somebody. That is how I get away with knocking the shit out of assholes like you.
12;22 said;
not really giving this cop his medicine by calling him a bigot PIG when you can't be sure he is reading here.
Tell it to his face. You might think twice about it once you see that this cop is probably able to kick your ass. And after he does, call the cops.
My response;
I am 100% confident he is reading here. You maybe him.
He couldn't resist seeing what I am saying about him. Another thing, I'd call him a PIG right to his face. Anyone that knows me knows I wouldn't have a problem with that in the least. I have kicked ass on civil rights violating cops in the past. 4 of them doing a Rodney King style beating on a friend. They didn't find me as easy to beat on when I intervened! 2 of them were a lot bigger than me. There was a 5th cop who just stood by and watched the fight go on for more than 10 minutes. We busted up all the furniture lamps and everything else in the apartment. Even got the assault charges dismissed because of some obscure law saying citizens have a right to intervene in instances of police brutality.
Anytime you feel froggy, LEAP I posted my number here. I am listed!
Only one thing I like more than f**king that's fighting.
" You better wait until you get hit before you hit somebody ".
Is that a boxing thing or did your father tell you that ?
I tell you what, I would meet you face to face but I can see that a strategy like that would surely not give you a chance at all. I know how to knock you out on the first jab. But lets be civil now because really, it doesn't need to come down to that. You admitted to being an on call bigot when it serves your purpose. It sure doesn't jive with what your preaching here. I'll give you credit though. Your tough talk may have some truth to it. I am just not that worried.
I am not seeking to worry you.
Just letting you know I am not someone you can push around.
I find more dignity in being beaten down than cowering like a coward.
You can make erronious statements all you want. My words here are clear as a bell and I believe folks get the jest of the point I was making.
You have made your point and I have made mine. Good luck to your son while living in Frazee. I am gone.
9:58 It is more than likely you are the cop we are discussing here.
I wish you a long safe life and hope that in the future regardless of the politics of your area you have a respect for civil rights.
May God Bless you!
Interesting discussion.
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12.22 said;
You look like the type of guy I could knock over with one hand tied behind my back. Don't worry, I don't pick on little guys 1 third my size."
Don't under estimate those little guys. They've been scraping all their life. Start a fight with one and they're all over ya like a hurricane. They'll tear ya up!
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