The Great Minnesota Recount
Please click onto the COMMENTS for the story.
posted by Bob at Monday, November 24, 2008
Custom Search
Monday, November 24, 2008
A DEMOCRACY TOWN HALL HOME
Do you have a topic you want to discuss at the Town Hall? Email your request to A_Democracy@yahoo.com
“A DEMOCRACY” Disclaimer- While the administrators and moderators of this forum will attempt to remove or edit any generally objectionable material as quickly as possible, it is impossible to review every message. Therefore you acknowledge that all posts made to this forum express the views and opinions of the author and not the administrators, moderators (except for posts by these people) and hence will not be held liable.
You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned
THE ROOF GUYS
Mickey's Diner 1950 7th Street West, St Paul, MN
(651) 698-8387
AX-MAN SURPLUS
1639 University Ave.
St. Paul, MN 55104
Tel:(651)646-8653
LANDLORD.COM LINK HERE
SHHHH! While we listen to words of wisdom from a wise man.
Conscience is the light of the Soul that burns within the chambers of our psychological heart. It is as real as life is. It raises the voice in protest whenever anything is thought of or done contrary to the righteousness. Conscience is a form of truth that has been transferred through our genetic stock in the form of the knowledge of our own acts and feelings as right or wrong. A virtuous and courageous person can alone use the instrument of conscience. He or she can alone hear the inner voice of the soul clearly. In a wicked person this faculty is absent. The sensitive nature of his / her conscience has been destroyed by sin or corruption. Hence he or she is unable to discriminate right from wrong. Those who are leading organizations, business enterprises, institutions and governments should develop this virtue of the ability to use their own conscience. This wisdom of using the clean conscience will enable them to enjoy the freedom.
Dr APJ Kalam, President of India given during the inauguration of the seminar on “THE EFFECTS OF CORRUPTION ON GOOD GOVERNANCE AND HUMAN RIGHTS
Previous Posts
- A Honey for the guys!
- Apple Valley's rental registration program helps p...
- Who will save this old house?
- Property Tax's Push Highland Nursery Out Of Business
- Federal judge denies motion to dismiss lawsuit see...
- Is this the motive for the city's unreasonable, al...
- Moving soon to West 7th. St. Saint Paul, Next to M...
- Rude Encounter With The Saint Paul Police
- Terrorizing Dissent
- Larry Sinclair Exposes Murder of Obama's Alleged G...
20 Comments:
Dear Friend,
Day two of the recount is wrapping up and we here at the Coleman campaign are very pleased with the results so far, with only a few unexplained discrepancies that our team is keeping a close eye on.
The Coleman Campaign is very pleased that on a day when Al Franken's advantage in the recount process should have been two or three times what it was, they fell far short of what their clear expectations for success were going to be.
In the northern part of the state, where old "Eagle" ballot machines are located, the Franken Campaign must be extremely disappointed that the results were not what they had calculated - we believe that the vote advantage they expected that didn't materialize has created a serious dilemma for their campaign as they attempt to find ways to add more votes to the recount process.
In other words, the "big" Democrat advantage the Franken Campaign was looking for at in the first 48 hours of this recount is not the big Democrat advantage they have been telling their supporters around the country they were going to see.
The people of Minnesota know that the recount isn't a daily contest. The Franken Campaign's best counties have not produced the significant shifts they were hoping for, and that is evident by the beating of their chest and the celebration they seem to be launching at their campaign headquarters. The recount is a slow, methodical slog, and when all the votes that were legally cast and counted on election night are once again counted, we will emerge victorious again.
Now, over the next few weeks, you're going to hear a lot about challenged ballots. In fact, today the Franken campaign made the frivolous and silly claim that our supporters were making frivolous challenges of Franken ballots. While we dispute that claim, we thought it might be interesting for you to see the real frivolous claims that are being made by the Franken campaign against obvious votes for Norm Coleman:
Ballot A: Coleman vote challenged by Franken due to a stray mark on the reverse side of the ballot
Ballot B: Coleman vote challenged by Franken due to a faint mark on the ballot which they claim is an identification mark
Ballot C: Coleman vote challenged by Franken because they claim that voter intent isn't clear
Ballot D: Coleman vote challenged by Franken due to a distinguishing mark (careful, you'll have to squint to see it)
Ballot E: Coleman vote challenged by Franken due to an "X" drawn on the reverse side of the ballot, a mark they claim is an identifying mark, which would void the ballot
Ballot F: An over-vote ballot challenged by Franken, who contested that voter intent was clearly for Franken despite multiple circles having been filled in
If this trend continues and this is the caliber of "challenged" ballots that will be brought to the canvassing board by the Franken campaign, then we feel even more confident that the end result is going to be re-affirming the re-election of Senator Norm Coleman to the United States Senate.
Thank You
Norm Coleman
Team Coleman
Anonymous said...
Recount, Recount, Recount.
That all we have been hearing.
If we are having recounts on the Minnesota's United States Senate Race, let do all the votes over for the president race.
Fair is Fair.
4:55 PM
This email is being sent out to Norms supporters.
so Norm's people found six instances in which Franken's peoples' challenges may be lacking. whoop de doo.
As of today, the 24th, 3/4 of the ballots are recounted, Coleman holds a 172 vote lead. That commie bastard Franken has challenged 1401 ballots, completely wasting the time of the five member panel. Obviously Coleman's 1400 challenges are much more realistic...
and 4:55 or 5:00, enough with the sour grapes. your guy got beat rather handily. there's a slight bit of difference between a race decided by 1/10th of 1% like Coleman/Franken, compared to the presidential race, which came out at 53% to 46% nationwide. And let's not forget the electoral college, which went for Obama by a more than two to one ratio...
Franken supporters have been getting the same kind of things about the lame Coleman challanges.
One of their people in one county was challenging any vote for McCain and Franken saying that no one could have intended to do that!
The silly ones will be taken care of by the judges in less than 30 seconds when they get them.
This isn't going to be that painful.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Once again the DFL is trying to steal an election. Frankin needs to go home and stop being a sore loser.
Money talks, then the recount can be altered for Franken.
The Democratic party supplied Billions to get control of this country.
Money - Money - Money.
Union - Union - Money.
DFL - DFL - DFL.
= Franken
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
really amazing that anyone would waste our time and money with such challenges.
Chuck, I would be interested in seeing similar ballots Coleman supporters are challenging. Do you have some links?
These games make us question the validity of the process.
Bill Cullen
Happy Thanksgiving Bob
Bill I couldn't copy the link to here but the Pioneer Press 11/19 had this story:
WASHINGTON COUNTY: 'UNLESS IT STARTS TO GET FRIVOLOUS'
The Washington County Government Center in Stillwater on Wednesday was filled with the constant drone of conversation, punctuated with the tap-and-stack of ballots and the words "Coleman," "Franken" and "Other." The air smelled of coffee and county employees buzzed about with papers and boxes.
Elections official Kevin Corbid said the pace was good and they may be done by Friday.
At mid-morning, a Coleman observer challenged several ballots that were marked with an X or a check mark.
"So, you're challenging that because of the way it's marked?" recount official Carol Peterson asked the observer.
"Yes," said the man, whose nametag read: "Brian, Coleman."
"You don't think that's a vote for Franken?" Peterson asked.
"I think it's questionable," he replied.
Peterson pursed her lips into a smile and looked down at the challenged ballot stack.
After explaining to several tables that a challenge should be called only when the voter's intent is unclear, Corbid and Peterson called a few of the clipboard-carrying campaign folks into the hall for a chat.
When asked about the dispute, Peterson said observers can basically challenge ballots, "unless it starts to get frivolous."
She doesn't have to agree with the challenges, she said.
- snip -
They also show one of the ballots with a clear check mark for Franken that Coleman's people challenged.
And then 11/22/08 Ppress had this:
Franken recount attorney Marc Elias alleged that some Coleman recount watchers in two southeastern Minnesota counties have a "bizarre pattern" of challenging any ballot on which the voter appeared to vote for Republican presidential hopeful John McCain and not Coleman. The campaign provided 10 such ballots
to the media.
One ballot, on which the voter appeared to have voted for McCain and Franken, represented a "textbook example of how you fill out a ballot," Elias said.
-snip-
So, these have been going on on both sides. Again, nothing unusual and nothing that will take any time for the panel of judges to rule on. What happens is that the "campaigns" end up sending people out there that don't think about the negetive spin that silly challenges bring you. Remember all that silly challenges do is frustrate the judges.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
For educational purposes learn how to link Separation of Powers http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=530514&catid=2
Is the Courts losing Power You BetchaST. PAUL -- In a blow to Democrat Al Franken, absentee ballots that were rejected by poll workers won't be included in Minnesota's Senate recount.
Not a big surprise. Its a recount not a challenge to the election. If Franken wants those votes counted he would have to actually take it to court, not the recount judges. Their task is to rule on each one of the ballots that are challenged for voter intent. Its not their job to determine if the county properly handled an absentee ballot. Franken needs to take that to district court or the Supremes.
On the recount. I am stunned that there appears to be as many screwed up ballots helping Coleman as Franken. The people who don't get the instructions right tend to be new voters and seniors (seniors didn't fill in computer/dot cards in school). Both groups very good for the DFL.
I'm guessing Norm did better with seniors than the typical GOP candidate.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Maybe from now on we should have people also write in the name of the canfdidate they want to vote for in addition to filling in the dot. That way it's a lot simpler for the less educated of us to see who they were voting for.
What could be easier than filling in an oval?
Bill, the recount is state law. When its less 1% and computer error and human error combined may equal 2%, its statistically in the best interest of the VOTERS, to recount.
The point is not to give advantage to one candidate but, to be absolute in the will of the voters.
Other counties do it well all the time.
If you want to see what the other side- or Coleman is up to, just go to opposite sources Bob goes to to get his pro-Coleman information.
http://tinyurl.com/5lqt46
Eric
Eric, Chuck
Why Vote, if absentee ballot aren't counted.
Service man or women absentee votes do they count.
Why should anyone vote if one of the main parties can stop a voters vote from being counted.
I voted absentee this year and did it back in 2004.
The parties don't stop absentee votes. Nobody does. The law has a date that that those votes have to be in. If they are late, then they won't count.
A recount is to count the ballots cast on election day. That's it. There is a process for the absentee ballots if they weren't counted on election day but, that would be separate from the recount.
Eric
Eric,
Just for clarification, my comment was about the silly challenges, not the recount.
Bill Cullen.
Bill, since none of the challenged ballots have been examined and they're sitting in a locked box waiting for the recount to conclude, its tough to pre-judge if they are silly are not.
Some of you don't realize that you're arguing against Democracy. You're just running on and on about expediency and bias, and have no clue you're speaking in favor of under-minding the system.
Democracy wasn't created in a garage, therefore it can't be solved or improved on with logic from one.
Eric
Post a Comment
<< Home