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By Mara H. Gottfried
mgottfried@pioneerpress.com
Article Last Updated: 08/01/2008 11:35:46 PM CDT
The woman pleaded with the strangers wielding baseball bats: "I have cancer. What are you beating me for?" But they didn't say anything.
She said they tried smashing her head over and over, but she held up her hands for protection during the early Friday attack near Lake Phalen in St. Paul.
Her hands and arms took the brunt of the blows, and she was left with "too many broken bones to remember," said the woman, who asked to be identified only as Tammie because her attackers remain on the loose.
Tammie's middle finger was severed, and she has multiple fractures in both hands and a broken wrist. She had surgery at Regions Hospital to put pins in her left hand.
"I thought they wanted to kill me —the way they were trying to smash my head in," said Tammie, who is in her 40s.
The attack happened about 12:30 a.m. near Johnson Parkway and Lake Phalen, according to a police report. Afterward, a police dog tried to track the assailants but lost the scent at Earl Street and Ivy Avenue, the report said.
Peter Panos, police spokesman, said he wasn't aware of similar attacks in that area.
Tammie, who lives near Lake Phalen, said she walks around the lake as often as she has the energy. Her breast cancer has spread and she had chemotherapy Thursday. Her anti-nausea medicine makes her jittery, so a walk was welcome, she said.
The chemotherapy also makes Tammie sensitive to light, so she normally takes walks after sunset but stays on well-lit paths.
She usually takes her 110-pound Labrador retriever/ German shepherd mix along, though he didn't want to go this time because it was too hot, Tammie said.
Tammie was planning to walk with a friend, but there were dogs running loose, which frightened her friend, who decided not to come.
During the walk, Tammie said, she saw three people — two males and a person with longer hair, who could have been male or female — hiding in a tree's shadow. She said she didn't want to turn her back on them because she had a bad feeling.
As soon as she saw two of them holding wooden bats, Tammie said, she started running toward the street.
They caught up with her before she made it and two of them began beating her with the bats, she said. They were winding up before hitting her in the head, Tammie said.
"As determined as they were to hit me in the head, I was determined they wouldn't," Tammie said of trying to protect herself. "It seemed like it lasted forever. I was surprised they stopped because there were no cars coming."
After the attack, one of them ran back and stole her earphones. "I figured they wanted it as a souvenir," Tammie said. She hadn't been carrying a purse, and the radio she had was inexpensive.
Afterward, Tammie walked toward the street and shouted, "Help! Help!" to passing cars. No one stopped at first, which was disheartening, Tammie said, crying as she recalled the events.
Tammie started to walk home, but a man stopped and said he would call police. She said he waited until officers arrived.
Paramedics took Tammie to Regions. She was discharged later Friday.
The three attackers were Asian, and all were about 5 feet 5 inches tall and 135 pounds, Tammie said. The person whose gender she wasn't certain of had long hair, pulled back. They all wore dark clothes, and one of the males wore a striped shirt. Tammie said they appeared to be teenagers or young adults.
Witnesses or anyone with information about the attackers can call police at 651-291-1111.
Mara H. Gottfried can be reached at 651-228-5262.
This is one of the saddest things I've read on here. It makes me angry enough to beat the bastards within an inch of their lives. Let them spend a few months in pain while eating and crapping though a tube.
Eric
Hi All,
I had taken this comment down several times and seeing Eric's post made me feel like I was in good company. So here it is again for those of you who didn't see it.
I was wondering if any of you feel as I do. Occasionally I will see something in the news that just makes me wanna holler! This is one of those circumstances. I am MAD!
from article-
Afterward, Tammie walked toward the street and shouted, "Help! Help!" to passing cars. No one stopped at first, which was disheartening, Tammie said, crying as she recalled the events.
I say,
This PISSED me off as much as reading about the assault. I blame an attitude that has been instilled in society by government to not get involved. They tell you give the robbers the money, submit to a rape to avoid harm, call the cops. Jeeesh, this woman may of been one blow away from being killed! I don't know how many of you called the police lately, but it seems they take their ever loving time responding to a felony. Example, I reported a potential burglary in progress 2 weeks ago. It took the cops 35 minutes to respond.
Personally if I had seen this assault I know I would not have driven by. I have intervened in all kinds of crimes in the past and so has my son and any number of friends who have some BALLS. These thugs need to know citizens will gang up on them. So a few folks may get hurt along the way, big deal, this kind of citizens activism I speak of sends a message.
What happened to a time when citizens cared for one another and fought for the safety of all of us. Jesse James found out what I am talking about when he decided to rob a bank in Northfeild. The citizens shot his gangs ASS UP!
WE need to change what citizens have been taught about how they deal with crime. WHERE, in the hell was one of these permit to carry guys when this woman was being beaten? Probably drove right on by because he was afraid to use his gun to defend this woman. Remember the citizen who witnessed officer Ron Ryan being shot to death? He had a rifle in his hands and feared using it to defend officer Ryan against the piece of shit who killed our fine police officer. He feared the system that has demonized firearms.
I have news for you folks. This kind of assault is becoming more prevalent. Just last week a man was beaten severely by 3 young males behind the SA gas station at 1125 7th st. street. The victim was in the hospital for 3 days! I am told it is a gang initiation thing to go out and look for a victim to beat.
I have known many neighbors for years in the West 7th. street area. They tell me crime is on the rise in their neighborhoods. Criminals moving from Frogtown and the East side areas that have been targeted by the police and building inspectors. Unfortunately the neighbors blame blacks moving to the area. I had to remind them most criminals are young men 15 to 25 and they are of all races.
But Eric ...I thought things were getting so much beter on the East Side according to your posts in the past. What happened? Maybe your East Side is just a damn cesspool.
BREAKING NEWS-
Like I said, crime is on the rise on West 7th st.
The Subway on 7th. st. near Dave Thunes tea shop was just robbed a short while ago. The ass holes pistol whipped a woman attendant.
Do you still like the crime strategy you and your friends on the council have DAVE? Getting rid of the nest to get rid of the critter is NOT A CRIME STRATEGY!
HOODLUM BASTARDS EVERYWHERE!
Correction- my girl tells me the police took 25 minutes not 35 to respond to the burgalary report.
1:05
Are you such and heartless c*%#sucker that you can't for one minute feel some empathy toward this victim?
Are you such a small individual of shallow character that you must take every opportunity on this board to loose a tic for tac with me?
What is it in your past that has made you so unbelievably worthless, even in your own mind?
Find an appropriate thread to debate on.
Eric
Reminded me of the father beaten at Valley fair. These things are so sad; makes me wonder about society.
The problem starts with bad parenting, schools that are bureaucratic and political rather than moral and studious, to gov't programs that reward the unproductive and finally soft on crime tactics. I am sure I left some out, but there is no one solution.
In the end, we all lose. This is just heartbreaking. I hope they find the perps.
Bill Cullen.
First of all, I'm sorry a post was directed at you personally Eric. However, your name excluded, this is a very political issue since it deals with the safety of our communities.
Bill Cullen said;
The problem starts with bad parenting, schools that are bureaucratic and political rather than moral and studious, to gov't programs that reward the unproductive and finally soft on crime tactics. I am sure I left some out, but there is no one solution.
my response;
I agree Bill. I have echoed your sentiments here many times in the past.
A FACTOR, the public schools are currently considered part of the current crime strategy. The public schools PROFILE kids to determine which ones are considered at RISK and most likely to offend. The Saint Paul Police have officers assigned to the public schools just to help with this determination.
The deal with the kids in public school is, once they are determined "at RISK" (behind in academics, disruptive in class and other behavioral issues) they are put into special education classes with other kids who have similar problems.
For you folks who weren't angels as kids, what did your parents do when you got into trouble with a certain group of kids? I don't know about yours, but, my friends parents told them to stay away from me, I was a trouble maker. Most my friends who abandoned me in my youth went on to be successful without obtaining a criminal record. Our public school system breaks down parenting further and units troubled kids through special education. How bout that, FACT, the public schools are building relationships among kids likely to join gangs.
Believe it or not the best thing for a troubled kid is home school. It allows a parent time to bond with their kid. It gets the trouble maker out of school where he or she isn't disruptive to other class mates. Some of you are thinking some parents aren't qualified to teach their children. There is educational text that make home schooling easy. Even the parents will learn some academics. After all, these kids have issues over parenting and the best thing is to put these kids and parents together in a setting they can both learn about each other. A court order with teeth can provide the leverage.
We need to bring back the PAROLE BOARD. Prison now is a crime school with older cons looking for recruits to do their bidding for them when they hit the streets. We need to provide educational opportunities in prison. For the new bees here, take it from an ex-con, the parole board works!
I refused my parole years ago while in prison so I could complete the Rasmussen Business College coarse provided to me in Stillwater prison. I would have never graduated from a school like this on the streets in my drug induced coma. My "education" in prison didn't cost the tax payers a dime. The schooling was paid for by a grant I had to pay back after my release when I found employment.I wasn't an angel when I got out but I was well on my way to not being a threat to society.
(for the curious who don't already know, I was in prison in the early 80's for receiving stolen property, a crime folks rarely do time for now a days. My prison number was 109412 I've never forgotten it, I am ashamed of this part of my life but as a christian I am obligated to tell my story when ever appropriate in hopes others may learn from my experience and not make the same mistakes)
The landlords, the corner stores who sells papers and singles, the bars, aren't to blame for OUR social ills. We need to get away from the blame game of passing the buck onto innocent people and businesses and practice individual responsibility! People who commit crime should be held accountable at ALL cost. There is no price for tranquility in our city. We need to do what is right and spend the money to keep folks in prison until they show they will change for the better. The revolving door of the matrix sentencing guidelines does not work.
I want to clarify something.
I said;
After all, these kids have issues over parenting and the best thing is to put these kids and parents together in a setting they can both learn about each other. A court order with teeth can provide the leverage.
Clarification;
I thought I better offer up a solution to the "at risk youth crisis" in better detail.
We could put together a non-profit or use existing special ed programs to set up classrooms where parents bring their court ordered home school children to learn academics. A teacher could over see and assist up to 50 students and their parents or guardians. This puts some supervision in this deal so there isn't any parents letting their kids run the streets.
they beat the man behind sa with a big rock
sa employee
I agree with Bob. Bring back the parole board. Force parents of delinquent kids to be parents.
Alex Wendt
East Side Pride
The drug store on 7th. was robbed a while back too
why isn't the crime on 7th. st. being reported in the news?
j spores
Woman attacked with box cutter
Pioneer Press
Article Last Updated: 08/02/2008 07:36:11 PM CDT
A man was arrested today after he used a box cutter to slash a woman multiple times, St. Paul police said.
Officers responded to a domestic assault call in the 300 block of Birmingham Street in St. Paul shortly before 1 p.m.
They found a 24-year-old woman with severe cuts on her face, throat, neck and back. She was taken to the hospital.
Police said the suspect, Donovan Dejuan Brown, 24, turned himself in at police headquarters.
Brown fled the scene when the victim's mother responded to her daughter's screams and tried to enter the room, according to police.
The city is going to hell.
froggy
Going to hell quick Froggy cause people like you can't get your city to control your tenants on your block. They're too busy criminalizing the landlords
I don't know Bob. The schools already go beyond just teaching because of the deficit in halfway decent parents. When put students in front of teachers that have been held responsible, taught responsibility, respect or pride and expect these kids to take an interest in their education or not to disrupt others. When they don't, we blame the school and teachers. That's bs.
We have more mandatory sentencing and children being convicted as adults than ever before and yet, we still have heinous crimes committed by young people. The bureaucracy has tied its own hands behind its back when judges can't distribute creative sentencing because we have already mandated into law certain penalties for specific crimes.
Let's face it. Some of these people shouldn't be parents. Some are criminals, never understood how to take care off a child or see the kid as a bother instead of a responsibility. You can't be suggesting these people spend more time with their kids. We need to get these kids away from them asap.
As you know, I have friends who work as cops, attorneys and social service professionals. This problem goes back to the home and with the parents. Its more heartbreaking that I care to write about.
We need to revamp the way we approach our social problems in this country. We are in a reactionary mode now because that's the money and politics dictate. We don't do anything until the problem is out of hand. We need to move into a prevention mode.
Sorry to be dismissive of those with conservative views but if birth control is not made more available, then we are only at the beginning of the downward spiral. I would also take WIC and maintain an almost 'big brother' watch over its spending. Drug rehabilitation and job training over prison. Real probation, as in marking progress, over just baby-sitting and watching for trouble. When it comes to welfare in general, less straight out cash. Replace it with housing vouchers, must use medical vouchers, food cards (food only and only certain kinds), child care vouchers, job/skills training or education (GED, up to two years college).
And finally, no expectations of change for a few years.
Have at it.
Eric
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Eric said;
I don't know Bob. The schools already go beyond just teaching because of the deficit in halfway decent parents. When put students in front of teachers that have been held responsible, taught responsibility, respect or pride and expect these kids to take an interest in their education or not to disrupt others. When they don't, we blame the school and teachers. That's bs.
my response;
I agree teachers have their hands full with some of these kids. However, I do not agree with how the public schools attempt to control this situation. I won't get into it now. It is a subject of great length and we will have that discussion here someday.
Eric said;
As you know, I have friends who work as cops, attorneys and social service professionals. This problem goes back to the home and with the parents. Its more heartbreaking that I care to write about.
my response;
I agree with this and the rest of your comment Eric. I think many folks would agree, SO, is there anyone or groups advocating change?
And, if there is will you provide a link for others here to get involved?
Stronger sentences for criminals and harder time served.If you are a criminal and don't mind going back to jail then I say it wasn't tough enough.We also should get these criminals out cleaning our street and roads so they can pay their own way through the system.We should have the cleanest and well groomed roads around.We also need judges with a pair under their robes.
No tv,magazines,exercise or fun in jail.Its a punishment not school.Give those programs to them when they get out as probation.If they can't figure out how to live in society then they go back in until they think they can.Bill Clinton 3 strikes.
Jim
By the way Nancy, I know the neighbors on both sides of me. I also know many of the political activist who live within 2 blocks of me. (Grace Kelly, Jeanne Wigum and others)Gossip is the grape vine in this neighborhood.
I had NO IDEA I was the topic of discussion with the neighbors when I moved in here. I found out when I sold my Firebird to the hair dresser down the street and she filled me in on the neighborhood gossip.
I was told there is neighbors very grateful I moved in here. The previous renters had
behavioral issues and NONE of the neighbors informed my "good friend the landlord" of the problem until it was way out of hand. When a neighbor finally came forward with the news my landlord immediately evicted the tenants. I moved in!
My home was recently inspected and classified class A. I have the greatest landlord in town.
(Disclaimer-He is not a plaintiff in any lawsuit against the city and prefers not discussing these issues with me)
Some of the neighbors read the blog here and find me to be the type of neighbor they want in the neighborhood. Nice thing to know!
My next door neighbor was apprehensive and kind of rude until he seen my canoe and fishing equipment. Were pals now. I watch his home for him when he goes to the cabin.
There is a vacant PHA home across the street I keep an eye on that too. This is the home we seen intruders in and called the police.
I look out for my neighbors, even though the majority of them are pickeled in liberalism. I won't hold that against them. Everyone is entitle to one bad mistake in life.:-)
Nancy, I figured out the "secret ingredient" in your cookies that puts a smile on everyone's face and makes all these neighbors want to get along.
Cannabis! :-)
Life is good!
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Jim,
Maybe you didn't read that not only are penalties stiffer, you have to do the time now. People like you have gotten the politicians to support mandatory sentencing. In some cases, boot camp, drug rehab and job training would be better since these people will be full fledge citizens again. The punishment is removal from society, the rehabilitation should be as serious.
ps- You are basing your entire thought on criminals thinking things through - they don't. They never think they'll get caught so the punishment never enters in their mind- which is why stiffer penalties haven't lowered the nature of crime. Just watch NBC's 'To Catch A Predator' and see how many of those perverts are familiar with the show yet, show up to some teens house to abuse them.
Nancy,
Of course i know my neighbors. We look out for each other, even the ones I don't care for. Besides, I use to collect the money for the snow removal contract, I know them all by name.
Its easier when you have little kids because you and your neighbors are out with them and with the park a block away, many of them stop by on their way there or back.
I also sat on the district council as president for a couple of years and would invite them to public hearings, forums and bring their questions and concerns to our meetings.
Can't say that I've ever took anyone cookies. Jalapeño Hot Dish, beer, wine, cup of sugar, stick of butter, pet food, diapers but, no cookies.
Bob,
My wife is a teacher in one of the better suburban school districts. Family problems still spill over into the class and its left to teachers to figure out how to temporarily get these kids mentally and emotionally involved in their schooling. One of my neighbors is a para at an alternative school. Its criminal what some of these kids deal with at home. It would be nice if teachers could come to work and focus on their craft without becoming social workers, cops and shrinks. That's just not the case in a public school. Private schools have to option of not taking certain kids or kicking them out.
The parents are to blame. They send their kids to school expecting the system to pick up where they failed- and most of the time they do. Teachers get credit for that.
Eric
If you are a government entity, pony up with the public data. The new ceiling on possible awards for willful violation of the Data Practices Act is $15,000, and the new top fine for not complying with the act is $1,000.
Did you pay up that money Eric or just go ahead and pcket it?
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there was a shooting at the coffee shop
Nancy,
When I was the Chair or President, I reserved time for every single neighbor or interested party who wanted to talk.
As you've heard on here before, that didn't mean I didn't speak. We've had plenty of times where it was loud and bordering berating. Nobody can say they didn't get to go on the record with whatever they wanted.
My issues were not with the public, it was internal to the organization. Anyway, unlike the city council, the Chair gets a lot of leeway on how to proceed in meetings. That's the difference.
Anybody know what 9:49 is talking about?
Eric
is 9:49 Sharon. If so that explains it.
Anonymous said...
there was a shooting at the coffee shop
10:32 PM
Can anyone confirm this? I haven't heard about this one.
9:49 here Eric. You know damn well what I'm talking about. The money you collect form snowplowing. Did you pay it up or go to the bar with it?
You mean did I pay the man who plows our alley the money?
Really?
I would say that its not that hard to count 28.00 per neighbor (21 of them for a total of 588.00) at the beginning of the snow season. The plow guy doesn't drive down here from Anoka to be short changed. Besides we used checks. Maybe in your neighborhood no one has a checking account so you're use to cash only deals.
You know about as much as that guy that accused St Paul of being in some conspiracy by changing police cars to black and white. In other words, you don't know shit.
Your info on data privacy doesn't fit as I'm not a public official and we were not a public entity. Your buddy Norm privatized the plowing game and left it to the neighbors to decide what to do.
You done embarrassing yourself and what's left of your family?
Eric
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