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27 Comments:
With the double digit tax increases for the last 2 or 3 years, I wonder if these residents will be so eager to persue demolition and remove these properties from the tax rolls? This particular District Council has always had a hostile agenda toward housing and the property rights of the people.
Rico guys are pretty quiet, did they lose ?
They're about to lose. They're all in exile in Worthington, MN. hiding from the city attorney.
Thanks you for removing the silly post that was on here earlier
This is the District Council that eric has ran for the last few years.
Nobody should be shocked.
Eric
OK Dipshit (8:35)
Either you are going to pretend to be me, or anonymously slam me. You can't do both, it kinda look retarded.
First, I am not 8:35am.
Second, I left the district council an longer am involved.
Third, I insisted that any plan for removal includes a plan for tenants right here on the East side if they choose to stay- not out Blaine. No one should be homeless for even a half of day because of their landlords problem. I'm almost sure with me gone, those kind of questions and concerns are not met or even asked.
Fourth, our district council was more concerned with people's rights, not a list of property rights. Property comes beneath people and protected by people's rights.
Eric <-------the real Eric
You are a good man Eric Mitchell.
Alex
Eric,
Property rights is the FOUNDATION of human rights. There is no way for humans to have rights if they are unable to control their own property.
Think this through, my friend.
Bill Cullen.
Bill my friend that explains why you are a Republican and Eric and I are Democrats.
We would say that one of the basic premisis of HUMAN RIGHTS and the reason for having an elected government is to protect the people from the land barrons and that people have the same rights to impact the government even if they can't afford to own property.
Property has no rights; people have rights. WE THE PEOPLE OWN THE COUNTRY. Your rights to be a land baron and each of our abilities acquire wealth occurs because we have a democratically elected government that continues to support a capialistic ecconomy.
It is the freely elected government of the people that give you those liberties Bill not your money or your land. The wealthy only are able to keep there wealth and property because the public continues to support the government that allows it.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck, I agree with most of what you wrote.
Except you skipped the obvious – “property rights” doesn’t just apply to land. It applies to everything you design, create or purchase. Ayn Rand once wrote “the right to life is the source of all rights – and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product is a slave.”
You are right, it is our government that grants us property rights and it is the democrats that are working very hard to erode property rights in favor of some socialistic belief that a government in control of property is a more fair system. Maybe what Ayn Rand should have written is that “the man who produces while others dispose of his product is a slave to a DFL government!” It appears you agree with that!
Even the UN human rights commission lists property rights as a fundamental element of human rights (article 17): http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html. The DFL is outside of the UN on human rights and property rights. Why would Chuck and Eric support this degradation of human rights? There is room in the GOP for you too! :)
Bill Cullen.
Well said Bill!
There are no property rights in St Paul. With the current council president and the other "sock puppets" who get led around by the nose, it's going to be a while before anything even starts to change in the city.
No Bill, what happens when property has more rights than people the wealthy maintain all of the control.
What we have seen in just the last eight years has been the almost complete distruction of the middle class from the protectionist tax policies designed to keep the 1% of this country that have 50% of the wealth in power.
It isn't the poor that have been crashing the party and bringing down the ecconomy it has been the wealthy who fail to relise that they need consumers in order to continue to create wealth.
"Labor creates all wealth all wealth must go to labor," was the ralling cry almost a hundred years ago the last time that the few the wealthy and the powerful had taken almost total control of all of the wealth in the nation.
It may not be long before we see that again.
We are witnessing the middle class losing their homes in forecloser in part because their mortgages aren't in the hands of a local bank that can renogosiate terms, their mortgage is a part of some unknown trust that no one has access to and when it says the balloon has come the balloon has come. How does one talk to Duetch Bank anyhow?
Democracies are fragile things and this one has been successful for two hundred years, but even the Roman's knew to keep the masses controled they would give them "circuses and bread." Your friends need to know the masses are running out of bread.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Let em run out of bread Repke. When that happens they can eat cake! That's the DFL goal. Keep em broke, stupid, misinformed and needy so the politicians have total comtrol.
"Labor creates all wealth all wealth must go to labor” is a PROPERTY RIGHTS statement. I strongly believe that labor should have the right to own and control the fruits of their labor. However, labor isn’t alone in creating wealth and honest DFLers know it. Everyone expects a financial return when they invest assets, creative design or labor.
What do you mean by “property has more rights than people?” You make it sound like garages across America are banding together and demanding something…. Property doesn’t have rights, but PEOPLE have a right to enjoy the fruits of their PROPERTY. Which is the point of my earlier post – if people don’t control their property, then they are slaves to those that do. And today, as you said, it is the DFL lead government that is attacking property rights.
Bill Cullen.
P.S. It is off topic, but I agree and I share your concern about losing the middle class. But why are you blaming “my friends?” The DFL controls congress, the state legislature and city government. The real question should be, what are YOUR friends doing about it? So far the DFL leadership has grown government, increased taxes and increased regulations. Do you believe that will that restore the middle class?
Choosing the right mix of stocks and bonds makes people wealthy.
When someone nose about a upcoming construction site that would need bonding, like the Excel building was defaulted on by the owner of the Wild and the city keep excusing they payment on the building.
Look at our political people of all U S Government, and then look at the stocks they hold and you will see why no one wants to go against these big companies.
I'll tell you what the dfL friends are doing about it. They're killing the desire to invest anything or even live in St. Paul. They've destroyed the rental market, plunged the city head over heels into debt we can't afford and now stand to pay out millions in judgements to the landlords they screwed over. This citys attack on property rights would make any communist or socialist green with envy.
Bill the basic tennent of the GOP for the last 28 years has been the goal of being elected is to put the government in enough debt that it can't possibly function so that no one will look for the government to solve problems. That was the goal of the Reagan revalution and it has been largely successful.
But for the Clinton invervention of the nineties that restimulated the ecconomy your friends would have been able to entirely dismantle government.
Let's see your guys removed the regulations on the air industry and it is now almost totally destroyed. They have dismantled almost all protections for organized labor and peoples average sallaries have been radically reduced, less people have health coverage and few have pensions. They unregulated the oil industry and we are now paying $4.00 a gallon for gas oh and yes their most successful endevour was to reduce the restrictions on the banking industry and look at that we now have the potential for the total collapse of the ecconomy and the total destruction of the middle class.
My party has only had the White House for eight of the last twenty eight years and for six of those years my president had his hands tied by a phoney scandal designed to reduce his ability to move legislation.
My party hasn't had the Governor of the State of Minnesota for eighteen years.
And having control of the city government is totally meaningless once the Fed's and the State have cut off all of the money.
That is the essence of Roveian politics no matter how red a state is the cities are all blue so screw the cities. It has now become the national policy of the Republican party to bleed the inner cities. We don't vote republican so they don't support the cities.
And never forget to continue to blame the democrats eventhough there hasn't been any liberal legislation passed since Lyndon Johnson was President and he was at the time considered a Southern Conservative at the time.
Dick Nixon's policies would be considered flaming liberal in the current political climate.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
"So far the DFL leadership has grown government, increased taxes and increased regulations. Do you believe that will that restore the middle class?"
-Bill Cullen
Well Bill, no one has grown the government bigger than Bush and the Republican Congress in the history of our country. No one has blown up the national deficit or the debt as big as the Republican Congress and Bush policies in the history of our country.
And, when it comes to taxes, you can say that you get more back from the government of paid less to federal government in taxes, but at what cost? Americans in the middle and lower working classes are paying waaay more for services and necessities that are caused by the tax breaks, loopholes, lax in regulations and complete failure of a domestic economic policy aimed at the middle class.
More regulation? You like having tainted beef in our food supply, or infected tomatoes? You don't mind the toys coming in from China having lead to the level of them poisonous for an adult? You don't mind our drugs like Vioxx being directly responsible for about 50,000 deaths because the regulatory body (FDA) gave them a pass and them offered them immunity from any wrongful death suits- based on the own drug companies investigation!
More regulation or better regulation i don't care, just start doing the damn job Brownie.
Democrats have been in charge of congress for less than a year and a half. Rethuglicans had it for 12 years and the Presidency for 7.
Own up to it.
Eric
Chuck said: "My party has only had the White House for eight of the last twenty eight years and for six of those years my president had his hands tied by a phoney scandal designed to reduce his ability to move legislation."
Clinton's troubles were brought on by Bill and Hillary not telling the truth.
Bill Clinton had a good economy because George H. W. Bush (41) left the economy in great shape when he left office.
11:08
What are you on? Or, what George H. Bush are you talking about?
Bush, like his son, was clueless on the economy. By his second year in office (Early 1990), Bush was told by his economic advisors to stop dealing with the economy, as they believed that he had done everything necessary to ensure his reelection.
During the second quarter of 1990 America entered into a recession. Many government programs, such as welfare, increased dramatically.
In 1991 unemployment climb up (see, it should go down with good economic policies), Bush signed a bill providing additional benefits for unemployed workers (instead of addressing the economic factors), corporations were laying off a substantial number of workers. Many of those unemployed were Republicans, Reagan Democrats and independents, who had believed that their jobs were secure in places like Ohio, Michigan, Inidana, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island (sound familiar or family-like?).
In 1992, the unemployment rate reached 7.8%, the highest since 1984. In September 1992, the Census Bureau reported that 14.2% of all Americans lived in poverty. In November, the country welcomed Bill Clinton as the winner of the election (Dr Dre also released "The Chronic").
Sometimes its just best that you Republicans admit you have no answers for working and middle class economic woes and you don't care about the poor.
President "Brownie" has been a miserable failure, just like his father, minus that fact that his father knew how to fight in the Mid-East.
Eric
Given that Eric and Chuck aren’t arguing the property rights questions anymore, does that mean we have agreement? Without strong property rights, the people become slaves to the gov’t ruling class and the DFL (as Chuck stated) are against strong property rights? That is the point which pulled me back into posting here.
Ok Chuck and Eric, you pose fair questions. I believe our economy is very complex and that there are many reasons (from both parties and beyond) as to why the economy is hurting. But, hell lets blame it all on the GOP; for this discussion I could care less.
My question was clear… The DFL currently controls most government I see and, if I read the tea leaves right, will control even more after Nov 2008. Other than “change” and “your better than Bush” how will your friends save the middle class and fix the economy? Since the decisive DFL victories in 2006, I have only seen bigger government, more taxes and more regulation. And the middle class continues to suffer. Am I missing the solutions you have put forward? Maybe they were vetoed?
Personally, I think the answer is less government, less taxes and less regulation, but I look forward to understanding your solution.
Bill Cullen.
Bill,
I've already shown where your smaller government has gotten us.
We are less safe (in terms of our food, health, and national security) and more in debt (Communist China damn near owns our ass) as a nation. Those are direct results of Republican policies. That's why its important to deconstruct your talk radio blurbs. Republican policies for smaller government and less taxes have been demonstrably a failure.
Its also been a pipe-dream fallacy. The Republicans have only truly lowered taxes for the top 1-2%, the cost of living for the rest of us has gone up astronomical. They've also decided to grow the government while talking out of the other side of their arse of shrinking it.
The Democrats took over Congress in January of last year and in the first 100 hours accomplished:
Cleaning up Congress, ending the link between lobbyists and legislation.
H.Res. 6, Title II, "Adopting the Rules of the House of Representatives for the One Hundred Tenth Congress." passed 430-1, Jan. 4th, 2007
Committed to pay-as-you-go, no new deficit spending.
H.Res. 6, Title IV, "Adopting the Rules of the House of Representatives for the One Hundred Tenth Congress." passed 280-152, Jan. 5th, 2007
Made our nation safer by implementing the recommendations of the independent, bipartisan 9/11 Commission.
H.R. 1, "Implementing the 9/11 Commission Recommendations Act of 2007." passed 299-128, Jan. 9th, 2007
Made the economy fairer, and started by raising the minimum wage. Unlike the Republicans, the Democrats refused a pay raise for Congress until there was an increase in the minimum wage.
H.R. 2, "Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007." passed 315-116, Jan. 10th, 2007
Promoted stem cell research to offer real hope to the millions of American families who suffer from devastating diseases. You know bringing science back into the picture.
H.R. 3, "Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act." passed 253-174, Jan. 11th, 2007
Fixed the Medicare prescription drug program and putting seniors first by negotiating lower drug prices.
H.R. 4, "Medicare Prescription Drug Price Negotiation Act." passed 255-170, Jan. 12th, 2007
Broadened college opportunity, and we will begin by cutting interest rates for student loans in half.
H.R. 5, "College Student Relief Act of 2007." passed 356-71, Jan. 17th, 2007
Worked toward energy independence, and begin by rolling back the multi-billion dollar subsidies for Big Oil.
H.R. 6, "Creating Long-Term Energy Alternatives for the Nation Act." passed 264-163, Jan. 18th, 2007
Guess what legacy President found his veto pen for some of the Democratic bills? The same one who defunded FEMA and Veteran Benefits but created two more cabinet level bureaucracies. George W. (worst ever) Bush.
If Barack Obama wins in November and it appears that he will, he will work toward:
Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.
* Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.
* Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.
Obama will encourage the deployment of the most modern communications infrastructure to reduce the costs of health care, help solve our energy crisis, create new jobs, and fuel our economic growth.
* Support Job Creation: Barack Obama believes we need to double federal funding for basic research and make the research and development tax credit permanent to help create high-paying, secure jobs. Obama will also make long-term investments in education, training, and workforce development so that Americans can leverage our strengths - our ingenuity and entrepreneurialism - to create new high-wage jobs and prosper in a world economy.
* Invest in U.S. Manufacturing: The Obama comprehensive energy independence and climate change plan will invest in America's highly-skilled manufacturing workforce and manufacturing centers to ensure that American workers have the skills and tools they need to pioneer the first wave of green technologies that will be in high demand throughout the world. Obama will also provide assistance to the domestic auto industry to ensure that new fuel-efficient vehicles are built by American workers.
* Create New Job Training Programs for Clean Technologies: The Obama plan will increase funding for federal workforce training programs and direct these programs to incorporate green technologies training, such as advanced manufacturing and weatherization training, into their efforts to help Americans find and retain stable, high-paying jobs. Obama will also create an energy-focused youth jobs program to invest in disconnected and disadvantaged youth.
* Boost the Renewable Energy Sector and Create New Jobs: The Obama plan will create new federal policies, and expand existing ones, that have been proven to create new American jobs. Obama will create a federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) that will require 25 percent of American electricity be derived from renewable sources by 2025, which has the potential to create hundreds of thousands of new jobs on its own. Obama will also extend the Production Tax Credit, a credit used successfully by American farmers and investors to increase renewable energy production and create new local jobs.
* Deploy Next-Generation Broadband: Obama believes we can get broadband to every community in America through a combination of reform of the Universal Service Fund, better use of the nation's wireless spectrum, promotion of next-generation facilities, technologies and applications, and new tax and loan incentives.
* Protect the Openness of the Internet: Obama supports the basic principle that network providers should not be allowed to charge fees to privilege the content or applications of some web sites and Internet applications over others. This principle will ensure that the new competitors, especially small or nonprofit speakers, have the same opportunity as big companies to innovate and reach large audiences.
* Invest in Rural Areas: Obama will invest in rural small businesses and fight to expand high-speed Internet access. He will improve rural schools and attract more doctors to rural areas.
There's a lot more and its in great detail for you who really want to know and are not regurgitating what you heard on am radio.
Oh, and McCain? Well, if you liked George W., you're gonna love Johnny Mac.
Eric
Hey Bill, Eric and Chuck you guys sure talk a lot - have you ever accomplished anything?
Jonathan
Done anything like what?
Chuck has been an operative for decades. Worked in government.
Cullen ran for office.
Eric is an operative and party officer.
You?
But what do you have to show for it? Is there any specific legislation or program that you can point to that benefits anyone? Can you produce a positive result or bring someone forward who would speak for your efforts as to how you have helped them? Without hurting someone? I mean being an "operative" (cute term-think you're a spy or something?) says you get people elected who will promote your agenda, your view point - not that you do anything that helps the overall public.
As for me, I try to feed my family and not actively annoy people with my opinions too much. Who says that is less than what you are doing? From the last few elections the people who seem to win are the ones that annoy people the least - not the ones that fight for their beliefs.
Jonathan
Jonathan, to answer your question- Yes. Next, relax, no one is putting you down.
I too take care of my family, politics paid for that for 10 years, I do something slightly different now.
I can point to legislation, elected officials, policies and younger people now involved that I have played an integral role in making happen. I know Chuck can do the same and Bill also can point to certain accomplishments.
Let's say for argument sake, that none of us had any political accomplishments, why should that matter about our political opinion?
Its your way to keep your opinions to yourself, other like to put it in the public arena and defend it. Who knows, one of us could be wrong and learn something. Not having your ideals challenged, makes for a weak set of beliefs in my opinion.
This whole blog is about a congruent set opinions (the city is corrupt) that are challenged everyday by Chuck and/or myself.
Eric
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