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108 Comments:
Wow! I read the story and this is just outrageous. First the landlords, then the convenience stores and now this. These city leaders must really hate the poor with a passion.
Snatching the food right out of babys mouth is not in step with "Minnesota Nice!"
Looks like they learned a thing or two from St. Paul.
Hey Bob, I asked you to look into the possibility of St.Paul shutting down the Dorthy Day during the RNC.
You never got back or followed up.
What are you, a Republican ?
Jeff Matiatos
This is another one of those where City after City doesn't have enough cops on the street. The issue is that the place has bad actors that show up and cause problems. What we need to be able to do is actually provide police protection for the place. Its extremely frustrating.
They aren't going to close her down but there needs to be pressure on the City to provide that police coverage for her because she sure isn't going to be able to afford it on her own.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Well I think the media took care of the pressure on the city bit by covering it.
There will be a back lash if the city continues threats to shut it down.
Its a fact that the city has known for years that the drug and nuisance activity has been there for years.
I believe its the stadium construction contributing to the pressure on the city to close it down.
Its not her job to stop crime in the neighbor hood.
The calls coming from the center are for drug transactions etc. happening on the sidewalks and area around the center, not necessarily on the property.
Thats a police issue not the fault of the center.
She has done everything she can to comply with the city codes and thats what is being ignored about this.
Jeff Matiatos.
I can't believe Chuck said this but here it is again:"This is another one of those where City after City doesn't have enough cops on the street. The issue is that the place has bad actors that show up and cause problems. What we need to be able to do is actually provide police protection for the place. Its extremely frustrating.
They aren't going to close her down but there needs to be pressure on the City to provide that police coverage for her because she sure isn't going to be able to afford it on her own."
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
*Then why doesn't Bucky Thune get off his ass and fight for more police and a justice system that puts these bad actors in jail.You constantly nag on landlords and pat the city on the back for the treatment of the landlords.You beg for the city to use code enforcement to address behavior issues.But in this case(Copeland)you plea for more cops to protect her the business that lures these actors.So why is it so hard to see that the landlords are in desperate need for more cops in the city to protect their business from the behavior of bad actors.
Chuck you are now on the record of setting a double standard.Good work.What makes her any different then a landlord providing affordable housing and paying taxes unlike Copeland for police services.
Spin for me Chuck would ya.
I can agree with your statement.Put the bad actors in jail!Shes doing a wonderful thing just like many landlords.Finially Chuckk you might be seeing the light.
And how come Chuck these cities never want to shut their government PHA properties the own because of bad actors?
Tim Ciani
I spoke with the director of the Dorthy Day Center and confirmed that the rumor was that the City has asked them to relocate for the RNC.
I asked for specifics and he said he couldnt comment.
I asked him if he was concerned and he would only tell me that it was to early for any specifics.
This guy sounded to me like he had inside information about the relocate and wasn't willing to give facts.
He didnt seem concerned either like it was no big deal.
Hell ya its a big deal !
Why should they have to move because of the RNC ?
Security could be one of them but whats going on there now is no different than the poverty issues in others cities.
I don't think the Republicans give a shit about poverty so they don't want to look at it.
They ( Mayors office city council ) don't want the move announced until close to the convention so nobody an do anything about it.
Jeff Matiatos
Jeff why are you lumping conservatives in with your logic.The problems here and in Minneapolis were created by the liberal left wing democrats.
Conservatives believe in jail and more cops.We also believe in helping people down and out.Helping them get on their feet and be a product of society and to give back without taking all their life.
Linda
Sound like Jeff doesn't knoow the difference between a republican and a democrat. Come to think of it, there isn't much difference any more, but St Paul and Minneapolis have been run by democrats for decades and all this NAZI - violate your rights - get rid of the poor - do what we want - stuff is the direct doing of democrats.
What program have Republicans supported that help people? The only time one or two of them do, its to stick their finger in a Democrat's eye, its never the platform of their party. That goes back to McKinnley(1901)
They vote against any kind of health care help, even for poor children who didn't ask to be born.
They vote against any food assistance, because poor people don't need to eat (children and women make up the biggest group of those recipents).
They vote against health and job training programs for our veterans.
They voted against the program that would have providing direct funds for more cops.
They voted against low interest loans and grants for poor families sending their kids to college.
They voted against investing in job training and creation in America (at the same time supporting policies that have brought BILLIONS and Hundreds of Thousands jobs to Europe, India and China).
They vote against any kind help for these centers and homeless shelters. Time and time again.
Recently, they supported a bailout of billions of dollars to a Wall Street investment firm but, quickly said that they would do nothing about the mortgage crisis and Americans losing their homes on main street.
Now to vote against something, someone has to bring it up for a vote. Each and every time it was democrat who brought it to a vote.
Linda and the other, tell us what Republicans have done at any time in the last 107 years to assist poor people.
Even in Saint Paul, we have county and city programs for people who are down on their luck or dealing with addictions. So, aside from assessment of their issues with landlords, their is a record of trying to help the poor the Republicans don't have because its not in their interest.
Republicans preach a philosophy of smaller government (unless its for corporations) and people don't need government (again, unless you're a corporation). If they were to support programs that help people, then it would kill their argument of the government being the problem.
Eric
They also didn't support funding for abuse shelters or victims of torture. Those too are Democratic led issues and programs provided by Dorothy Day.
Dorothy Day herself was a radical bordering on communist (small 'c'), promoting anti-war activity and communal living arrangments in the city and on farms back in the 20's and 30's.
Who's policies were set in place to match Catholic Charities so that there could be a Dorothy Day Center?
Not your GOP conservatives.
During the Democratic Conventions in 1996 and 2000 (Chicago and LA) there were homeless people panhandling all over. Its like and reality. If the Republicans don't like to look at it, they can start focusing on eradicating it with programs like they've been able to do to rich people or out-sourcing corporations who use to have to pay taxes.
Eric
While I agree with most of what you've said Eric, it is the democrats who run both cities and they hate the poor with a passion. It's the democrats who want to snatch the food right out of these peoples mouths Eric. In St Paul it's the democrats who took action to rid the neighborhoods and eventually the city of the poor, but it backfired on them, and when they got sued, it was democrats who gave the orders to shred inspection reports, destroy emails, violate court orders and generally sweep it all under the rug in a masive cover up......NOT REPUBLICANS!
And another thing Eric. God is a Republican and he's going to send you to hell if you keep spinning like you do. Shape up man, you'll be rewarded.
Fantastic. It takes Mary Jo Copeland to get the truth out.
We can close every for-profit and non-profit provider down and it will have little affect on crime. As Chuck said, we need more cops because one entity cannot afford it on their own.
Eric is somewhat right. Republicans do not promise to solve all of the poor’s problems. The difference is that republicans offer smaller government and more freedoms while the democrats offer more services and less freedom. Personally, I will take freedom. I think the poor prefer it too.
If our St. Paul gov't defenders have any consistency in their thinking, they would declare Sharing and Caring hands a drug landlord and demand they are shut down. Any other argument displays the bias which is at the root of these lawsuits.
Come on… We are waiting…
Bill Cullen.
Linda, my comment and message of awareness is directed at the Idea and possible reality that the poor, hungry, and homeless would have to move on count of the RNC.
I think it shameful for any entity of Government to even suggest that the poor and homeless of all people, need to be further indignified having to move on count of a private party.
If this was the democrats convention, I would be saying the same for them.
Is the city council mostly democratic ?
It doesnt matter to me what the affiliation is, its the idea that we have to relocate the poor so a bunch of party goers having a convention might be able to drink until four in the morning while the homeless are cast aside.
Its shameful.
How about if our current City Council leaders who are always so worried about the poor peoples safety whenever they can beat up on a landlord offer to put up some these poor and homeless people they find so charming at their homes till the convention is over.
How about the inspectors who like to invent non existent violations and then trash talk the landlord about the deplorable living conditions? Would any of you like a house guest for a few days. The poor could watch your children while you work! Their kids could play with your kids....become friends even.
You government officials might even grow to like the poor people and since they have much higher morals and ethics than you do, you may even learn some life skills from them.
Whatta ya think Kathy? Wanna be first? Bostrom? You look like you could use something new in your life. Helgen? Comeon boy.....you can use the chance to address some of their issues and you don't even have to condemn the house to so it.
Well Bill, it is in Minneapolis so you can't blame it on the Saint Paul government that there is the inconsistancy, but you are making the land lord arguement in the suit. That is the arguement that once the City has had it with a problem property they MUST DO NOTHING! No choices no options. The government must do nothing. Sit there take it and encourage the people who have invested all of their wealth in their one house they are just shit out of luck because some ass hole won't manage his property.
So, that is why you see this push on Copeland. Ass holes like the ones in the suit here make the same arguement in Minneapolis that you can't cut her a break if you put the pressure on other property owners. So, it sucks for the cities both ways.
Timmy, Thune has had the police federation endorsement in every campaign and has consistantly supported getting as many cops on the street as we can.
If you would ever come out of hiding, I would sit down with you and explain some of the off duty police work we have done in the East Side neighborhood I work in. We have from time to time pooled land lord, small business and nonprofit resources to buy off duty police patrols.
So, you don't know anything about what I do or stand for.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF MINNESOTA
Frank J. Steinhauser, III, et al., Civil No. 04-2632
JNE/SRN
Plaintiffs,
v. NOTICE OF MOTION
City of St. Paul, et al., FOR SANCTIONS
Defendants.
Sandra Harrilal, et al., Civil No. 05-461
JNE/SRN
Plaintiffs,
v.
Steve Magner, et al.,
Defendants.
Thomas J. Gallagher, et al., Civil No. 05-1348
JNE/SRN
Plaintiffs,
v.
Steve Magner, et al.,
Defendants.
PLEASE TAKE NOTICE, that on Monday, the 14th day of April, 2008, at 1:30 p.m., or as soon thereafter as counsel can be heard, in courtroom 8E, United States Courthouse, 300 South 4th Street, Minneapolis, MN 55104, a renewed motion for sanctions made by Plaintiffs
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Chuck,
I would like to see you there.
You too Erci.
Leslie K. Lucht
Thanks for putting the effort into researching the Dorthy Day issue Jeff.
Really appreciate it!
Chuck you make it seem as if the city would want to help Mary Jo but cannot because of the landlord suit. I'm assuming you're thinking if they treat Mary different then the landlords would be after them for that. The city made their bed and now they have to sleep in it. If they treated everyone the same without any of this targeting business and then had an effective crime strategy rather than "black code" and back door code enforcement, then they could help out when things like this arise. But your making the assumption they want to help Chuck and they don't. City leaders just want to have the apprearance of helping, but deep down they hate the poor and to be quite honest with you Chuck.....they see the poor as an eyesore. They don't even want to have to look at them. They think they're disgusting, something to be used as pawns to get federal money they then spend on something else. The poor can "eat cake" as far as city leaders are concerned and their actions, or maybe better said.....lack of action proves the point. WHy don't you join our side Chuck? We're going to be right in the end and then you won't have anything to be ashamed about.
Your welcome Bob.
Jeff Matiatos
Wait a minute, Chuck. I never said the city should do nothing with “problem properties.” I believe that if a property is not maintained well, the owner ought to be held accountable. I think occupants ought to be held accountable for their actions. Where I strongly disagree with St. Paul (and Mpls) is that they are holding property owners accountable for the actions of their customers. I have been VERY consistent with my statements.
So… My question remains. If private entities should be blamed for the actions of their customers, why not do the same with Sharing and Caring Hands? What is the standard?
Bill Cullen.
Let me take an honest stab at this.
Its not ideal to have a shelter, no matter how nice it looks on the outside, downtown around the most expensive real estate in the state.
I have no proof of this but, it hasn't stop anyone else from drawing conclusions.
Its the same story with the bus stations and the old weekly rate hotels. Its all bad for business and ascetics. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with it.
Mary Jo is good with what she does but, she is known to be crass, cold to her own adult children, and as tough to get into compliance as some of you landlords.
I knew of her work too while living in Minneapolis and found places like the Domestic Abuse Project and the homeless teen programs ran by the General Mills Foundation to be better for their clients, and easier to work with.
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Leslie, where is it you want to see me?
Bill, it doesn't matter what you said, only what they SAY you said. I could tear that comment about smaller government apart by comparing the size of government when the Republicans walked into the white house and today. Or, thhe cost of government between now and then. Or the cost of living compared to before they took over. Ironically, its because of their push for smaller government that we need some many of these programs that Democrats support.
And Freedom? You ever hear of the War on Drugs, Patriot Act, Domestic Wire-Tapping, ATF expanded powers and list. These 'Republicans' have done more to take your freedoms than any other administration in our lifetime. But, they scare you with 9/11 and promise you safety. So, its OK.
Eric
Eric
Bill, I agree with you that there should be an equal standard however, Eric, does that include strong arm tactics with code enforcement and arm twisting by the city to get the shelter to relocate for the benifit of the RNC ?
Remember Nancy who claimed she was being strong armed into selling her property to magners buddys ?
Right now it appears someone is twisting the arm of the Dorthy Day
to relocate.
If the Dorthy Day relocates for the benefit of the RNC, everyone had better question why the Dorthy Day would agree to this and who is twisting their arm.
Mary Jo has taken a stand so what gives at the Dorthy Day ?
I disagree with you Eric that its not ideal as you say, for any city to have a shelter anywhere in the vicinity of the most expensive realestate.
There was a time in this country where we had soup lines in magor cities a mile long.
We still do but its more controlled and looks different.
Someone like you who laments the republicans for not helping the poor and then you turn around and bash these shelters for existing in the presence of expensive realestate.
It was the city who agreed to have the shelter there in the first place.
Jeff Matiatos
eric,
At the hearing on monday at 1:30 P.M. Federal courthouse.
OK. See you there.
Leslie K. Lucht
Eric is to much of a coward to face the truth so he wont be at the Federal Courthouse.
He is a city pet and he shows up at city hall for daily underwear changing.
Jeff Matiatos
I think that everyone that wrote
on this blog should go. And see
what the judge have to say about
the charge against the city of St.Paul.
If there is any merit to the landlord claims.
I have take off a day from work .To go and hear and see what is going to say about the landlords claims.
Leslie K. Lucht
People, read Erics comment at 10:34a.m.
Then read Erics comment at 5:39 p.m.
So he bashes the republicans for ignoring the poor, then Eric bashes the poor himself by believing that shelters shouldnt exist in the name of EXPENSIVE REALESTATE !
You said that Chuck not me.
You therefore must believe in it.
Remember, the city agreed to put it there.
Thats right, go hide for the rest of the day you shameful prik.
Jeff Matiatos
can't we all just get along?
Jeff, you really are an idiot and a bad speller. English must be your second language shit-for brains.
Everyone is wondering why Minneapolis would do this, I gave a possibility. An observation based on the evidence presented including history, stated priorities and economics. I saw when many of the cities across the country decided to take a chance at renewing their downtowns. Bus stations, seedy hotels and homeless shelters were always the first to be relocated. That's a statement of my observation, I have yet to indicate if I think its right or wrong.
Given the cost of real estate downtown, the proximity of the new ballpark, I'm not surprised. And, its exactly what you conspiracy theorists are thinking too. You said yourself the city doesn't care about these people. So what's your disagreement? I can't help your two moms raised you as an idiot, I can only lead you to the well, can't make you drink.
Personally, as I've said before, I don't care for Mary Jo. However, when I served on the Downtown neighborhood council over there, she never got any problems from me from hours she wanted to serve, to the stupid sign war that broke out in 1999 over her lighted sign.
You see little boy, making an observation is not a position. Its just where the points lead you. You can decide if you like it or not after you discover what it is.
I know your head is hurting now and you've got one hand down your pants and the other one scratching that balding mellon of yours. So, I'll let you go nap.
Eric
I and Les have attended most of the RICO hearings. I will be at this one.
It would be nice to see some of you folks from A Democracy. IF, you are a fan of COURT TV you will like this hearing.
When you are in the court room it is not hard to read where this is all going. So far,,, in my opinion, this RICO case is on it's way to a jury.
WILL THERE BE SANCTIONS? This is the BIG question.
Folks, the outcome of this case will have a "BIG" impact across the country pertaining to the "do's and don't" of housing code enforcement.
I have a TON of information I haven't posted on this case yet. I will get around to posting it.
Eric I feel for you.What has the democratic party done for the black community?Is the black community better off today?
If we look at the incarceration rate of blacks,the pverty rate among blacks,the crime rate among blacks,children out of wedlock among blacks,the distruction of property among blacks and so on would it be fair to say we should not let the black community live around such valuable real estate?
Your statement like mine above are ignorant and discrimination.
Linda
First Eric what is your job?Do you have one brother?
Second isn't it the republicans that put the end to slavery?
Third making fun of 2 Moms raising a child goes against your partys support of gay marriage.
Four 2 Moms are better then one mother that is usually stuck raising 4 kids in the black race.
Five picking on someones spelling is grade school?Did you graduate?
Six your a big talker that needs to be taught a couple things.
Eddy Brandt
Eric would prefer that all blacks be exported back to Africa in the name of expensive down town real estate.
Why does the dialog consistantly turn to race when debating Eric?
I think economic class is the real issue at hand.
Those that have, and those that have not, and those who find it easy to fall for the status quo of feeling there is a bunch of "bottom of the barrel undeserving leeches" sucking at their tax dollar. It is easy to say the poverty stricken citizens have created their circumstances and therefore deserve the crisis they are in and we shouldn't have to look at it. After all it is embarrassing isn't it?
We will always have this economic under class. Do to much for needy folks and they become dependant. Do to little or nothing at all and they become desperate and it cost us big time in higher crime rates and health care cost.
The way things are going my mythical "Hell Town" is becoming a reality.
Hell Town- 500 acre concrete security village
Managed by Volunteers of America
Are you down and out and living under a bridge? Well you don't have to dream of affordable housing any longer. Hell Town will provide housing, health care, day care, vocational and educational opportunities.
Work your way back into genral society of greater America with the helping hand of Hell Town.
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Interdepartmental memo-
Due to the large population of derelict looking citizens roaming our streets the state of Minnesota in cooperation with the City of Saint Paul and Minneapolis (and a number of select well liked developers)bring you the Hell Town work community.
A gated community within 1 hour of the metro area(surrounded by a 12' cement wall with barb wire strung along the top. One way in and one way out. Reinforced cement micro housing with 350 sq. ft. to 500 sq. foot concrete homes all situated on a 25' by 35' lots.
Persons entering Hell Town are subject to seach for contraband(guns, drugs etc.)enhancing security.
Citizens of the lowest economic class welcome. No back ground checks. No credit checks. Come as you are.
Farming and municipal jobs available.
On site armed security force.
2 bus trips a day to the metro area.
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Sorry Chuck, I made an error by posting your name on my 1:02 posting.
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I still haven't said anything about my viewpoint. Now, I not going to say jack about what I really think. All you harping seals have never dealt with this center(with the exception of Nancy), I have, and supported their efforts. So bugger off.
I have also worked with a shelter for abused woman and another housing program for homeless teens. I'd ask some of you to lay out your cred or any history you have with these populations aside from taking rent money but, we all know you'd just lie.
Eddy Brandt, I graduated twice since I graduated from high school. I have a career not just a 'job'.
Mary Jo owns the property, she's not black.
The people that utilize her services are not owners and enjoy none of the benefits of ownership. They need services and that's what they get- if they pass Mary Jo's criteria. Don't try to make this into your RICO case.
I'm about ownership and believe the more people we can bring into that category and out of the dependency on some you ass wipes for basic services, the better.
Yes, the Republican party led the charge against slavery and Jim Crow(140 years ago.). If you could read you'd see that I said they haven't done much since President McKinnley. That was when the party decided to focus on the those with wealth in the country and...oh nevermind, you're probably still wondering who was McKinnley.
This has nothing to do with blacks, IF the reason is true, I just threw out a reason based on what I've seen in other cities across the country. If you yokels kept up with anything you'd know this and wouldn't be so shocked that the value of the land and future plans could be a possible reason.
I do know the state of the black community too well. I know that every single tool we use, from job training to subsidized college tuition, to housing and food programs are all Democratic policies. Oh, they work.
The War on Drugs is a Reagan/Bush gift to us. Its done nothing but grow the prison population and peel off the Fourth Amendment.
Look at the incarceration rate that has to do with petty drug issues. How much is wasted on the catch and release system we have now. You know what works? Rehabilitation programs. Programs that help them finish high school and obtain some skills training. Its not 100% but, its better than what we have going on now.
So Linda, guess what Party overall supports those kinds of programs and what Party (republican) stands in opposition.
Eric
Nancy, why don't you and Jeff go to Dorthy Day and get the whole story? Names, dates, what was said.
Jeff made a phone call to Dorthy Day and received little information, what are we suppose to comment on?
Give the story to Bob to post.
Maybe then we will have something to talk about.
Alex Wendt
"east side best side"
Thanks Nancy for throwing another possibility out there. I don't like that one any more than the one I thought of.
So what tax are you proposing we eliminate.
Eric
Leslie Davis is a fly in the ball park issue and he will be swatted like a bug.
I see in all his efforts the ball park is still being constructed. He couldn't even get them to halt construction.
More stuff from the funny farm!
Leslie Davis is a nut job. Don't believe anything he says.
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I know nothing about moving Dorothy Day, but I suspect it is due to security or the city wants a different image. I would be amazed if the RNC weighed in.
Eric, we could debate the GOP/DFL forever. I align with the GOP because I see more hope for my limited gov’t goals than I do with the DFL.
I didn’t see any gov’t advocates address the obvious question: If private entities should be blamed for the actions of their customers, why not do the same with Sharing and Caring Hands? What is the standard?
Bill Cullen.
Bill,
You have a valid argument that needs to be addressed, it is known as DISPARITY.
There is something known as "state's compelling interst". In order for the government to take an action against a secured right, the government must show proof of the "state's compelling interest".
In the case of the landlords, as well as with Mary Jo, the state has not shown a "compelling interest". Accordingly, they have acted shown this and the government has to pay damages.
Nancy,
There appears evidence of disparity.
- PHA doesn’t have to follow St. Paul’s code.
- I predict that soon Sharing and Caring hands will be released of Mpls’ same “blame owners for the actions of their customer’s.”
Private industries like landlords, bars and convenience stores are held accountable by the city. WHY is this unequal application of city enforcement acceptable? I find it outrageous. I am still looking for the gov’t advocates to explain it.
Bill Cullen.
Mary Jo doesn't take the governments "dirty money" so they don't like her because she can't be controlled.
If what Jeffs saying is true and the Dorthy Day relocates, one should ask why they decided to relocate when the law cannot require them to.
It sounded like the Dorthy Day management is contemplating a move but at whos request and for how much.
Good post 10:27.
Well Cullen, you can forget the governemnt advocates. They'll never explain it, so I will. It's all about the money! It's cheaper for St. Paul to go after landlords and fine them and make money on building permits than it is to spend money on the old fashioned emforcement and incarceration with the added cost of shelter, food, medical, etc. Especially when they are running a 17 million dollar deficit and still spending like Rpublicans. No mystery here, just follow the money.
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10:27,
If that's the case then Bill Cullen wouldn't be asking his question. It appears that she is getting a pass from the government.
It puts your assessment on its head. If they hated her, she'd be shut down already since she has similar code issues that others SAY they had and were run out of business.
Again, half of you are saying one thing, the other half saying the other and Chuck and myself points this out and are called everything under the sun.
If you think Mary Jo doesn't accept government support you're out of your mind. Bill, can you or someone else explain the special status her center recieves and how that turns into tax breaks, and special status from other government agencies (like Nancy pointed out).
How many of you who use to house poor would like to do it tax-free and be able to get your people to the front of the lines for more services, so that they can continue to stay and pay you?
I'm all for it, and other non-profits that do this but, you guys have been the ones bitching about non-profits.
Eric
A couple facts your missing Eric is they won't shut her down like a regular landlord and also the fact that PHA has the same criminal problems and not once have I seen a code compliance or a condemnation.Shit PHA has gangs living in their housing.Come on Eric how many private landlords would be in business with gangs living in their units?
Sid
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Sid,
The Citizens need to file a complaint with the state and the federal authorities that the PHA is derelict in its duty to the People by not upholding the terms of the FEDERAL lease..IE: if there is criminal activity at OR AROUND the unit, the tenant is evicted.
If the authorities do not respond and evict the tenants, then it is a SIMPLE federal lawsuit seeking ONLY injuctive relief...to require the PHA to do their job and evict.
And, if the authorities do not respond, it is further proof of the DISPARITY between the private landlords and the PHA.
Here's a MN Supreme court case on the issue:
http://www.lawlibrary.state.mn.us/archive/supct/9904/c2971756.htm
Eric,
You are right. If Mpls does shut down Sharing and Caring hands, then the application of city law appears equal. The city has taken the first step and notified Mary Jo that she will lose her restaurant license.
However, I believe the city will not finish it and that is not equal application of the law. Time will tell. It is St. Paul/Mpls openly unjust application of the law that drives me nuts.
Bill Cullen.
Nancy thats what the RICO guys are saying about PHA in the suit.
They can show that PHA in fact has never had a condemnation or shut down of any kind .
The records that I have looked at down at St.Paul Fire Department does indicate that in the usual course of inspections for PHA properties, they are threatened with certificate of occupancy revocation.
Jeff Matiatos
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Got any specifics Nancy? You've already said bringing lawsuits is not the answer, people bitch and it gets them nowhere, people vote and it gets them nowhere, people try to appeal with legislative hearings and they get nowhere, people make phone calls and write letters and emails to council members and they get nowhere, hell, these landlords sue the city and the city just flips off the court and the landlords get nowhere even with the proof. What have you got other than your preaching and crazy talk about about citizens with contracts? Where have you gotten? Every time we hear from you you're involved in a different deal somewhere. At the rate your going you'll never have time in your life to finsih all the things you've started!
1:01 A.M. EVERYTHING YOU SAID SEEMS LIKE WHATS REALLY GOING ON.
UNLESS GOVERNMENT IS CAUGHT RED HANDED, AND I MEAN REALLY CAUGHT RED HANDED, THEY JUST DRAG IT OUT AT TAXPAYOR EXPENCE UNTIL THE LITTLE GUY AND HIS WITNESSES DIE OR RUNS OUT OF DOUGH.
RENOUNCING YOUR CITIZENSHIP AND MOVING TO ANOTHER WORLD SEEMS LIKE ALL YOU CAN DO.
Wouldn't suprise me if they'd have one of their dirty cops just kill you if you didn't die soon enough. Don't even try to tell me it's not possible. These cops will do anythng their told to do by the politicians.
Communities United Against Police Brutality
URGENT ACTION ALERT
April 13, 2008
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HOMELESS PEOPLE UNDER ATTACK! TIME TO FIGHT BACK!
EMERGENCY PLANNING MEETING:
Saturday, April 19
12:00 noon
Walker Church
3100 16th Ave S, Minneapolis
Minneapolis is seeking a quick way to push homeless people out of the area of the new stadium and they're using the License Division to do the hatchet job. A hearing is scheduled on April 25th on renewal of permits for facilities that serve homeless in the area.
The city claims there are problems with "security" but what we've seen from over a year of concentrated copwatch in that area is that police routinely rough up, search and arrest people on false charges. If there's any kind of a security issue, it's that homeless and poor people are not secure from police brutality!
Join CUAPB and others at an emergency meeting to develop plans to stop the routing of homeless out of the new stadium area.
We understand that people have issues with some of the shelter providers and how some have made their money off the backs of the homeless. This is not an effort to support particular providers. It is an effort to demand that space currently being used to serve the needs of homeless people not be taken over as "prime real estate" for bars, parking and other "stadium needs."
Let's make it clear to the city: THE PROBLEM IS HOMELESSNESS, NOT THE HOMELESS!
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SHELTER FOUNDER: HOMERS VS. HOMELESS?
By STEVE BRANDT, Star Tribune
April 11, 2008
http://www.startribune.com/local/17460274.html?page=2&c=y
Saying God is on her side, Sharing and Caring Hands founder Mary Jo Copeland said Thursday that Minneapolis officials are trying to drive the homeless people she serves away from the Twins ballpark rising nearby.
But city licensing officials say they've held up the license Copeland needs to serve meals because she has resisted their entreaties to put in place a security plan to reduce drug dealing and other problems.
Copeland runs a family housing shelter and drop-in meals and other programs virtually across N. 7th Street from the new ballpark. The facility's license is one of thousands up for renewal by the city; an April 25 meeting is scheduled.
She launched a pre-emptive strike with a Bible-quoting news conference Thursday to denounce the city. She said she's willing to abide by reasonable requirements.
"I don't go into people's meetings if I know they're going to harass me," she said, before ending the conference with the "Hail Mary."
The city takes the issue seriously enough that Mayor R.T. Rybak met with Copeland a year ago, but did not resolve the issue.
"They were having trouble getting through to her," said Rybak spokesman Jeremy Hanson. "She once told him that when he's going against her, he's going against God."
"They came in almost like Gestapo," said Dick Copeland, Mary Jo's husband.
"The truth is they don't want us here."
The need for land near transportation and people has drawn both sports and homeless facilities to the fringes of downtown. People Serving People's family shelter sits two blocks from the Metrodome, and a cluster of shelters and more permanent housing for the homeless sit as close as a block from the Target Center. In St. Paul, Catholic Charities operates Dorothy Day Center for homeless people across from Xcel Center.
None of the others reported problems with the city. "Absolutely not," said Rebecca Lentz, spokeswoman for Catholic Charities, which runs a 250-mat shelter a block from Target Center on Currie Avenue.
"We have a good working relationship with Target Center and the Timberwolves," said Bill Miller, who runs Salvation Army's Harbor Light, which offers programs for homeless people, also on Currie.
At People Serving People, two blocks from the Metrodome, the Twins donate tickets for an annual fundraiser, and for kids to attend games.
But there are "serious security issues" at Sharing and Caring Hands, reported Ricardo Cervantes, the city's deputy director for licenses and consumer services.
"Sharing and Caring hands has been on my radar since I walked in the door," said Cervantes, who has held his post for three years. Problems include illicit drugs, disorderly conduct, loitering and public nuisance infractions, he said.
Police made 17 arrests at Sharing and Caring Hands for drug offenses in 2006 after making undercover buys of marijuana and crack cocaine. Cervantes told of watching one young man go in and out of the center, then roll a marijuana joint; when questioned by an accompanying officer, he pulled out an ID and sex offender papers.
The city is holding people accountable for their behavior, said Don Samuels, the area's council member. "Should a place that serves the poor and homeless be guaranteed an exemption?" he asked. "I don't think we should do that because these strategies were designed to keep people safe, and who should be kept more safe than the vulnerable?"
Dick Copeland showed off the 17 cameras at Sharing and Caring Hands that are monitored by one of three security workers. He said the facility has a security plan; it's just not written. The family shelter has a controlled entrance.
He said the city didn't give the Copelands much help after his wife began operations nearby in 1985. He said that city pressure stepped up in spring 2007, just before ballpark construction began. "All of the sudden the city's concerned we're not doing this right," Copeland said.
But Cervantes said that the city took action only after years of having Copeland ignore requests.
The Copelands don't blame the Twins. The team has donated posters and also clothing collected from players and their families as they pack up after the season, according to Kevin Smith, the Twins' executive director of public affairs.
"Mary's Place and Sharing and Caring Hands are as much a part of Twins Territory as any place," he said, using a team marketing term.
The team also has talked to Salvation Army representatives about employing some of its residents in concession and other ballpark jobs, said team official Bryan Donaldson, who serves on the advisory board for Harbor Light. "We know the neighborhood we're moving into," he said.
Copeland said her facility is the safest place in the city and said she's praying for a change of heart by city officials. But she claimed a trump card: "The power of almighty God runs this city."
Steve Brandt • 612-673-4438
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Communities United Against Police Brutality
3100 16th Avenue S
Minneapolis, MN 55407
Hotline 612-874-STOP (7867)
Meetings: Every Saturday at 1:30 p.m. at Walker Church, 3104 16th Avenue South
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Eric and Chuck you coming to the sanction hearing today?
Put your money where your mouth is and come see the what happens and listen to some evidence.
I doubt you will will.Its easier to spin when you don't have all the facts.
Haven't the landlords been doing "gods work" by giving some of these people a second chance? Do they deserve a second chance Chuck and Eric?
word on the street is the whole city council is going to the hearing today and the mayor is going too.
Some of code enforcement officers are going too.
Somunds like it going to full at the hearing. Maybe newspapers will be there too.
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF MINNESOTA
Frank J. Steinhauser, III, et al., Civil No. 04-2632
JNE/SRN
Plaintiffs,
v. NOTICE OF MOTION
City of St. Paul, et al., FOR SANCTIONS
Defendants.
Sandra Harrilal, et al., Civil No. 05-461
JNE/SRN
Plaintiffs,
v.
Steve Magner, et al.,
Defendants.
Thomas J. Gallagher, et al., Civil No. 05-1348
JNE/SRN
Plaintiffs,
v.
Steve Magner, et al.,
Defendants.
PLEASE TAKE NOTICE, that on Monday, the 14th day of April, 2008, at 1:30 p.m., or as soon thereafter as counsel can be heard, in courtroom 8E, United States Courthouse, 300 South 4th Street, Minneapolis, MN 55104, a renewed motion for sanctions made by Plaintiffs
I am planning on going and have to
told half of frogtown about it.
I also, told all the non profit In frogtown about it too.
Leslie K. Lucht
Bob, tell us how many murders there were on the streets of Minneapolis and how many murders there were on Mary Jos property or around it for that matter and then we will know just where the security issue lies.
I regretfully can't make the hearing due to a funeral. I've become convinced our rights are being threatened, and if not stopped, the threat will grow.
9:41, why don't you tell us?
So, I'm taking hell for saying EXACTLY what this article said, its about the economics. Steve Brandt writes exactly what I said so I guess he's a tool of the government too.
Folks, I was just informing you of what the underlying reason could be. I can't stay at this hearing today, but I work downtown so a walk through the skywalk for a few blocks just so some of you can think of some other reason to call me a prick and misspell sounds like fun to me.
As far as the next point I made on the pass the city has been giving Mary Jo---------
"Problems include illicit drugs, disorderly conduct, loitering and public nuisance infractions, he said.
Police made 17 arrests at Sharing and Caring Hands for drug offenses in 2006 after making undercover buys of marijuana and crack cocaine. Cervantes told of watching one young man go in and out of the center, then roll a marijuana joint; when questioned by an accompanying officer, he pulled out an ID and sex offender papers.
The city is holding people accountable for their behavior, said Don Samuels, the area's council member. "Should a place that serves the poor and homeless be guaranteed an exemption?" he asked. "I don't think we should do that because these strategies were designed to keep people safe, and who should be kept more safe than the vulnerable"--------------
PsP is down the street and don't have these problems and neither does Dorothy Day. So don't give me that its because there are poor people involved. What if this was one of your properties? Would you get this much leeway? Of course not.
So what do you suggest Minneapolis do?
I don't have an opinion that not tainted from my personal viewpoint of Dick and Mary Jo. There is another part of me that says, don't try any retro-active sanction against CSHands now that that particular property is of value.
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9:32:
How exactly do you suck an ass? That's a career move that I am unaware of. Enlighten us all on your knowledge of this trade.
Eric
Eric informed: "You ever hear of the War on Drugs, Patriot Act, Domestic Wire-Tapping, ATF expanded powers and list. These 'Republicans' have done more to take your freedoms than any other administration in our lifetime."
Eric, you better do some research...again.
During the Clinton years, our civil liberties took a beating under the guise of the "war on drugs". Our constitutional rights against illegal search and seizure were shredded into confetti.
Clinton also took the idea of "wire tapping" to new heights when he allowed law enforcement to use military technology while driving down the streets peering into our homes using thermal imaging equipment.
Oh, and we can't forget to what heights Clinton's Attorney General, Janet Reno brought the ATF's powers.
Her tenure issued in the era of genocide at ATF...
I won't argue that it wasn't done under Clinton Swiftee. I was careful to frame it as who pushed for it, not who used it the most (War on D).
Wiretapping has been taking to a new level with Bush which leads me to this, maybe if Bush wasn't so bad, we wouldn't be as concerned with some of this.
Afterall, its been going on for over 20 years in some cases and only now, have the ranks constitutional freedom patriots have grown. I remember as a youth seeing Nancy Reagan on Different Strokes- Just saying NO. Little did I know that it was part of the overall war on the pesky Fourth Amendment.
What do you want me to say?
Eric
I won't argue that it wasn't done under Clinton Swiftee. I was careful to frame it as who pushed for it, not who used it the most (War on D).
Wiretapping has been taking to a new level with Bush which leads me to this, maybe if Bush wasn't so bad, we wouldn't be as concerned with some of this.
Afterall, its been going on for over 20 years in some cases and only now, have the ranks constitutional freedom patriots have grown. I remember as a youth seeing Nancy Reagan on Different Strokes- Just saying NO. Little did I know that it was part of the overall war on the pesky Fourth Amendment.
What do you want me to say?
Eric
I left the courthouse at 2:25 and have a few honest observations. First, you shit-talkers can still kiss my arse.
Second, after hearing the case of the plantiffs, and talking to my old friend Johnny Howard, there are points of concern in which I want further info.
Looking over at all of the plantiffs, only one look like a slumlord and one a nut (Bill McGauhey). Most look like my neighbors and were just tired of the BS. I still can't give in to the idea that there is RICO corruption going on, I'm ready to err on the side of mis-communications to incompetence.
I brought a friend of mine who is a policy aide with experience in public document trails and spoke with her about what we heard.
At this point, there seems to be a lack of enforcement or communications on the policy of saving and dumping emails as well as TISH info.
I didn't hear Seeba's response to Engels or Shoemaucher, if anyone would summarize it, I'd appreciate it.
So there you have it. You all got to see me, and I got to hear the case from you attorneys (Engels, much better than Shoe).
More later, got to get back to work
Eric
I see you took spelling lessons from Jeff Eric. ( arse ).
Expect an order from the Judge in favor of sanctions.
Then you will be convinced.
Better get back to ass kissing and blowing Eric.
eric,
I eould like to thank you for coming to hearing today.
I hope that you will change you view on the case.
But I think the judge will go with
landlords issures. The city will pay for lawyer fee and other forms
too.
Leslie K. Lucht
Leslie, thank you for your curteous
way of addressing some folks here in spite of the fact that I think Eric is an Ass.
I read you case involving PHA and was wondering if you got a settlement to your satisfaction ?
You mean the tax payors will pay.
No skin off their backs.
Coleman get out the check book.
Leslie,
What I was trying to say is that showing up there today gave me the perspective that I did not get from the racial insults and co-conspirator accusations I weave through on here.
If the city is found to be stonewalling, then attorney's fees should be covered as well as lost wages for people who had to show up.
I got to hear the plaintiff's case and see them in person. made a big difference. I'm not ready to jump on the RICO wagon yet because I do know people on the other side who work for the city and they are decent people too. Not all, as is not all of the landlords are decent.
Nonetheless, I wait for more information to come forth. At this point I can say with comfort that the city needs to review and/or enforce the record keeping policies. That would answer a lot f questions.
As to those who can't stand me, if I knew you, the feeling would be mutual but, I don't so, you don't matter.
Eric
Spelling lessons from Jeff? Right after my ethical lesson from Elliot Spitzer.
Arse is an informal English term referring to the buttocks, first recorded around 1400 (in arce-hoole) and is commonly used in English speaking countries such as the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia and New Zealand, parts of Canada and former parts of the British Empire. In the United States and other parts of Canada the variant form ass is used.
I was just trying not to be so profane laced since I already used the word 'sh!t'. So, I went medieval on his 'arse'.
Eric
I think Eric saw Jesus, praise God.
We are are not impressed Eric.
Keep praying.
Eric,
Learned today that Dave Thund
wanting to takes Houses away
landlord for behavior problems
from the tenant or the landlord.
I have knowing that the city wanting to be ONLY landlord in this city since 1998.
I have keep learning that that is just trying to put me out of business.
Not because of bad landlord. Just
that because they want to be ONLY
landlord in town. And get the poor out of town.
I glad that you are so what changing your mind.
Leslie K. Lucht
Hey 4:31, re-read the second sentence of my 3:18 post, its just for you.
Leslie, what you heard today was an accusation of some uneven enforcement in the city codes between PHA and a group of landlords who lease to the same people that would utilize PHA. Not every landlord. Therefore you can't say St Paul wants to be the ONLY landlord. Saying that seg-ways into a different argument.
Right now you're doing fine with the examples of uneven enforcement, and some stalling on the document retrieval. Those two things look bad for the city. Where you loose your average Joe like myself is when you assign 'intent' and 'motive'. Saying they want to rid the city of landlords, or blacks is a huge leap. 97% of the landlords are still renting without this issue and most blacks aren't involved in this. You're making a different argument requiring a bigger burden of proof than that presented here or what I heard in court today. Much bigger.
Chuck's question of who benefited still stands. Who benefited with the decision to rid the city of landlords or blacks? That's using the two arguments I heard there today.
I know Thune and Lantry. The characterization assigned to them no more equals the reality than SpongeBob Squarepants (who lives in a pineapple under the sea?). I also know a couple of people in DSI, known them for years. These are people I've seen and interact with when the 'public persona' is dropped and they are acting themselves. Nothing has led me to think or mark them as being elitist, racist or just plain ol assholes. Nothing. I have a history of not being quiet about calling some of these MN Nice people out on their condescending behavior. Thune and Lantry have not been part of that group.
In saying the above, I can still say that I do see something as fishy as a hunting trip with Dick Cheney and RT Rybak, in the way some of this information has not found its way into the hands of the plantiff attorneys.
That's why I'm reserving some conclusions on this.
So, who were all of those people over there? Which one was you? Was Bob there? Were you guy in the back row with the long hair, no hair, or the ponytail.
I was the black guy in the black suit sitting on the lonely side of the courtroom.
Eric
I also thank you for coming Eric. I wish you could have stayed longer so I could have introduced myself to you. I think there are a lot of things about this lawsuit that have not been made public by the plaintiffs and some of them I believe would have raised your eyebrows a little. I know one of the landlords personally Eric and I think you're really going to be suprised when the whole story comes out. Thanks again......your kind of a classy guy.
I've never agreed with you Eric but I respaect you an awful lot after your remarks. I think you went to those hearing with an open mind and at the least were influenced by them in some way. Thats' a lot more than I can say for some of the mentality I've witnessed here, and a true showing of character as far as I'm concerned because I think we're starting to see that you call em as you see em. How refreshing and at the same time absoloutly disgusting since I have to now change my opinion of you. Hope to see you more here Eric.
Eric,
When pha tell tenant they need to
move out of the house that they
live in. Outside the city limits.
The email that reads in the record today. From Dave Thune to
Andy D..
To inspect property that have behavior problems from the tenant or Landlord.
There are other email are damages
to the city.
I have Sat on meetings that discuss same thing other plans.
I was second row the big guy wearing tan shirt.
Let say that are more questions for the city. Their behavior is
questionable. When it come the landlord.
If the city was the ONLY landlord .
They would more control over who lives in the city.
Take care
Leslie K. Lucht
Eric and posters,
I read this blog a lot but don't get involved due to litigation.I will post once and save the rest for another day.All the landlords in these cases are good men and women that were trying to make a living and also provide low income housing.These suits are tiring.But must be fought for future tenants and landlords.The city over stepped the bounds and must be punished.These cases have the potential to change the way this whole country uses code enforcement for other means than safety.
Thanks to all.Eric you do have balls to show up.And we all appreciate your open mind.
Hi Eric,
I am sorry I missed meeting you today. Thank you for coming!
I was in the back row. I am the guy with the long reddish colored hair in a pony tail. My friend Jim Swartwood of the Watchdog News was to the right of me. My long time friend who wishes to be anonymous was to the left of me. Correct me if I am wrong anyone, I believe the Asian man on the end of the back row to my left was VUE. Johnny Howard's Minister was directly in front of me. I am not sure who the woman was with him to his left. Les Lucht was to the ministers left. Bill M. of the Watchdog was sitting to the right of the minister. Bill Cullen was among us also. I don't remember where he was sitting. Most the plaintiffs were in the front row.
Tim Kinley of Kids R Us Minnesota was present and asked me if I would go on his t.v. show and tell the RICO story. I'm thinking about it.
As for all those other folks in front of me, well I don't have a clue who they were. Sorry.
Eric, if anything there is a grudging respect for you. You would have been among friends Eric. Maybe not your idea of friends but don't we all feel we have come to know each other here?
Some of us met at the Little Wagon for food and drinks after court. It would have been great if you could have joined us. It would have been an oppurtunity to hear things you won't hear in court.
Once again thank you for coming and taking an interest in the case Eric.
Thank ALL of you for coming. It means a lot to us who give a damn.
I will be posting a summary of the hearing, tomorrow.
Eric, I told a number of folks you would be there. :-) I was hoping Chuck would come too.
He's got a lot of guts. Walks right into the foxes den and shits on the floor and then to top it off, runs back home and what amounts to calling us up on the phone to tell he was there. What a prick!
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Thats just like Eric to miss the part where his best opprotunity to see some of the truth comes out.
He is a spinner and he spun around and walked out the door in the face of truth.
Shits going to start hitting the fan and when it does, Bob will post it here where Eric cannot escape it.
Its not that she couldnt answer, she didnt want to.
The city knows its got everything to lose and isn't about to make matters worse or give ammo to the otherside on the record.
Was the Mayor there ?
The Mayor is in hiding and riding out the rest of his term.
7:28,
It's 'just like me' huh?
I took an hour from work to come over to the courthouse and got to hear what I haven't heard before, and that's the plaintiffs side of the story from their attorneys.
If I would have arrived late and only listened to city attorney, you'd be beating me over the head with the same 'ol crap. "Eric only showed up to support his beloved city and had no time to hear the other side of the story".
I came and stayed to hear the other side of the story. What more do you want? Were you there? Have you tried to listen to opposing views without name calling or assigning intent?
Me showing up when I knew that the room would be full of people who don't like me or what I have to say, and to listen and open my mind up to a different perspective, IS just like me.
You haven't been paying attention.
Eric
Eric, who are you to talk about name calling.
Bob gives you free run to shoot your mouth off.
You ever been to Bobs backyard ?
Not at his house either.
Now you want a sympathy card from us because you took an hour of your precious time for a hearing you needed anyways, so we didnt have to listen to your one sided bullheaded denials.
You were probably on your lunch anyway.
You ask what more do we want ?
When all this RICO buisness is said and done, you will be drumming to a different beat and thats MISSION ACCOMPLISHED !
You be a good little Bhundist now.
7:28
That goes for you to Chuck.
7:28
Your tiny Bhundist Eric.
7:28
7:28,
Don't you mean 'You're' a tiny Bhundist?
Since you're kind of semi-retarded, I'll assume by bhundist, you're playing on the Pakistani version of Hindu street slang Bhund, which means vagina.
Clever by half means nothing if you throw your own special spice ignorance in as you did with this. Putting 'ist' at the end is in effect calling me the equivalent of gynecologist.
Thanks but I'm not a doctor- I only play one with your sister-LOL! I couldn't resist.
Seriously, knock it off. This is getting old.
Eric
Sorry Eric, I meant Bhund.
7:28
A Buhndist is not a gynecologist Eric.
Her Bob, how come you let these nitwits pick on Eric. The guy goes to the court hearing and comes back and say he might have to reconsider his position on some things and this is what he gets for being open minded is put through the wringer with names from someone with the inteligence of a cat? get rid of him!
Because Eric can dish it out so he can take it, right ?
6:36 your a wimp.
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