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Article Last Updated: 04/04/2008 02:58:00 AM CDT
On the Senate floor Thursday, St. Paul Sen. Sandy Pappas apologized for comments St. Paul City Council Member Dave Thune made during council debate on whether the city should keep bars open until 4 a.m. during the Republican National Convention.
Thune, who represents downtown, said Wednesday he didn't want a bunch of "puking" Republican lobbyists on the streets. The City Council voted 4-3 not to back the later bar closing time.
The Legislature has considered letting cities near Xcel Energy Center, the site of the Sept. 1-4 convention, stay open two more hours during the Republican gathering.
Pappas, who, like Thune, is a Democrat, said she is excited her hometown will host the convention and that Thune's comments were inappropriate.
A message left with Thune was not immediately returned.
— Rachel E. Stassen-Berger
I think that City Council members and Mayors tend to be a little closer to the local folks and I am sure that the pressures on my friend David about how well the City is going to manage this convention is getting a little high. I am sure that he didn't appreciate the efforts of the legislature to cost the City more money on security while not offering any financial assistance.
As we have seen in other posts here and in news stories our police are going to have their hands full for that week. Why would anyone in their right mind want to make sure that the few squads that we have left on patrol are under any additional pressure from 3 AM until 5 AM? (streets take an hour to quiet after closing)
Every f'ing gin joint in town would be doing a late night happy hour special not for the convention guests that have meetings at 8 AM but for the local rowdies. Its a stupid idea.
You got a love the mouth on that guy though. Twenty years in being in public office and he's the same West Seventh Street guy that he was when he got there.
And if I hear another story from some whiney bar owner about the smoking ban get over it and welcome to the real world. You lost its over and it isn't coming back. Not here, not anywhere.
You don't like it, turn over the license. Nobody is forcing you to be in the business. Its the economy stupid. Business is down because people have less disposable income.
If your patrons are leaving you because they can't take two minutes to get up off of their ass to have a smoke, they didn't think that much of your joint in the first place.
Some bars are making pleanty of money. Some aint. Figure it out.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Sandy Pappas apologizing for another moonbat's poor launguage?
Sweet jumpin' baby Mohammad, ya just can't make shit like this up!
Hahaa!
Oh, and thank's for the succinct synopsis of the DFL's guide to small business, Repke:
"You don't like it, turn over the license."
With incentives like that it's no wonder why downtown is such a hot destination!
I'll add it to the chapter on Democrat taxation and politics that Cy Thao offered:
"When you guys win, you get to keep your money. When we win, we take your money"
...pfft.
"You got a love the mouth on that guy though. Twenty years in being in public office and he's the same West Seventh Street guy that he was when he got there."
Yeah, well you know what they say, Repke.
"Ya can take the trash out of the trailer, but ya can't take the trailer out of the trash"
Look Swifty you know as well as I that the point to the extention of hours is so that the local GOP political hack is going to be embarased that the party out here in "fly over land" has to end at 2 AM. How non-cosmopolitan of us...
He forgets that the fat cat lobbyist already thinks he is a rube and is going to still think he is a rube if he sells out and changes the hours.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Do democrats puke?
Just wondering...
Repke, I don't give a rip whether the bars stay open late or not. Given the bag of assholes they put in office, the citizens of Saint Paul should be thankful there are any bars and resturaunts still open at all.
I'm just commenting on this latest display of idiocy by Democrat politicians and, by extension, Bucky Thune's eagerness to put a stake through the heart of Saint Paul's commercial and entertainment viability.
Hell, if we were really worried about being embaressed, we'd demand that Bucky put a tarp over his house for the duration.
Tarp Thunes house for the convention.. Sounds like a great idea!
A couple of things Chuck.Thunes house looks the same today as it did 20 years ago-Like shit.You and Thune make me want to puke.
And please quit trying to make a case for Thune being something special.Downtown St.Paul is dead.More gandbangers walking around then ever and it were up to you and Thune government would run everyting.
Wake up you scum bucket!
You know, I'm no fan of Repke but...
I've read the excuses commenters have left here for needing to have to hide their identities, and although I really don't buy much of it I guess if someone is making cogent points it doesn't really matter.
But if your only mission is smack talk, well that's a different story. No one "needs" to talk shit but if you're *wanting* to, you really should put your name to it.
Otherwise you leave the impression that you're a nutless goof with a big mouth...just sayin'.
I deleted a comment here.
PLEASE DO NOT THREATEN OTHER POSTERS HERE WITH A CODE INSPECTION!
If Swiftee gets a code inspection I will be PISSED! I'll shut the blog down for a week.
Check out your windows for pigs flying- I agree with Swiftee.
I'm at a lost as to what to say next...
Eric
Since Swift doesn't live in Saint Paul, it may be kind of tough to get CI to his house.
Eric
Eric you can fool you buddies but not the ademo crowd.Why don't you go f yourself!
Swiftee is Tom Swift.
I'm in the book in case an inspector wants to stop by...LOL!
If any of you ever been on SPIF, you'd know that I disagree with Swift almost more than anyone on there (including Mitch). We are not anywhere near the same. He's a winger, I'm a mooner.
Thing is chickenshit, if you're not man enough to sign your crap and stand by it, you're nothing but background noise and don't even count enough to be shat upon.
Eric
Oh yeah, Swift also ran for School Board a couple of terms ago (to abolish it or something like that).
You're soooo right though, can't get over on adem.
You seem to have problems, if you can't get a anti-government, flag waving, winger like Swift to line up with you- then you really are effed up. I hope you're just an ignorant teeny-balled fan of the Rico suits and not one of the plantiffs.
Eric
2:38 said;
Sounds like swiftee is Eric.Welcome back.Bob quit protecting these assholes that love the code enforcement.If these jerks think landlords should have code free living so should they.
Maybe you should shut this blog down until you get your shit together.
2:38 PM
my response,
2:38,I have my sh*t together. I live a great life. I get paid to come here to this blog and speak my mind. If I were an anonymous poster I don't think I'd earn a dime.
Obviously you aren't an insider to local politics or you would know who Tom Swift is. He is not Eric.
I am not sure where Swiftee stands on code enforcement. I have been reading his blog on and off for over 2 years and I don't remember much of anything on code enforcement other than a story on Dave Thunes house.
For a good read go to Swiftees blog "Pair O Dice", it is linked to the right of the screen on the front page under the image of Saint Paul. Or, you can click onto his name here and get his profile and there is a link to his blog there.
Before you go making accusations ask some questions to inform yourself.
How can we have an interesting dialog here if we all agree with each other?
It may seem like I am "protecting" others at times. I admire underdogs and if I lost anyone of the blogs "underdogs" it would be a devastating blow to our truth seeking mission.
2:38, I value your opinion even when I don't agree with you.
Personally, I don't think lengthening the bar hours is a good idea. Do we really want MORE hours to fester the volatile combination of drunk GOPers and nutjob protesters? We might need riot cops all night!
Eventhough Thune's comment was unprofessional, it made me laugh. Sometimes we all need to lighten up.
Bill Cullen.
Anyone know when that new cub foods is supposed to open in the Phalen area ?
Thanks
I dont see why Pappas needs to apologize for Thunes remarks.
I agree with Bill and its hardly worth bringing up.
Next thread please.
How about mentioning that the city council agreed to pay off the pawn shop owners for property the cops seized and soled unlawfully ?
More RICO stuff right ?
How about that Bob.
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Nancy, I think we just discovered
a new drink.
Think I'll have a taser,
bar tender.
6:46 The new Cub foods just started construction and is targeted to open by the end of October this fall.
Chuck Repke
Some times its a good thing to say things bluntly to get people to pay attention.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Thank you Chuck.
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Pappas is State Senate over ward 2.
Does sandy Pappas own a bar in St.Paul.
The DFL didn't care about all the bars when they started the NO SMOKING band.
Does the DFL police force want to give out tickets for DWI's.
How about Jim Metsen DWI last year.
Slap the left hand please, so I can still use my right hand to drink.
DFL'ers.
DFL want to tear down St.Paul older homes and have union boys build new homes.
Putting carpenters, electricians, plumbers. brick layers and the rest of the union to work.
Where is Hoffa when we need him?
Hi All,
Sharon sent me this. I think it came from SPIF. I deleted the email addresses attached to this message. I feel Dave has a good argument concerning neighborhood bars and late hours.
DAVE THUNE-
I've been kind of quiet on this online cuz I have my hands full at
work,
but...
Here's the problem. We don't limit bar activities because we like
"blue
laws". One unique aspect of St. Paul is that many of our residential
neighborhoods are dotted with neighborhood bars - bars with peoples
homes
next door, beside or behind them.
The nature of bars and alchohol consumption being what it is, patrons
eventually go home and when they do they talk loud, they fight, they
squeal
tires, and generally are a pain in the ass on their block. And of
course on
the darker side, bars also have a tendancy to attract other patrons
who
deal drugs in their cars and ocassionaly shoot each other. Yes,
sometimes
they puke, too.
We've had them for years. We generally feel that the recreational
aspect of
say, Skinners bar or Mancinis are local color and in addition, have
great
food. They are also run by owners who put up with no, or little
misbehavior
by their patrons. Unfortunately these two are not in the majority when
it
comes to good citizenry. If you have the notion that bars should have
no
limits and be open til 4 or never close, then you obviously do not live
here, or perhaps in 3 or 4 smaller parts of the city that have no bars
at
all.
But even Downtown - not considered by some as a neighborhood - now has
abour
8000 residents. Most of them are fairly near or even above bars and
nightclubs. They chose downtown living because it is fun, convenient
and
unique. They did not choose it because they thought they would enjoy
bad
behavior and fighting outside their windows all night. Actually, like
most
of you, they'd prefer that intoxicated people not awaken them. In most
cases co-existence is wonderful. But as I said before, the nature of
bars
being bars, means that intoxicated patrons eventually leave. 1 or
2o'clock
in the evening is generally felt to be a reasonable time to conclude an
evening. We who live next to or near bars understand and don't mind a
bit of
commotion then... but stretch it out til 4 AM and I believe you are
asking
for unreasonable tolerance from neighbors.
Most of you who know me know that I have moderated my bar behavior over
the
years, but I started playing music in bars when I was 18. I know bars
inside and out. I've seen fights, stabbings, drug use, wrecked
marriages and
regurgitation, but I've also seen great musicians, fun times, good food
and
some cheerful silliness. Unfortunately this isn't a a TV sitcom like
Cheers.
You get both the good and the bad. Its a tough business to make a
living in.
Its hard work to be a good owner/neighbor, refereeing domestic disputes
and
picking up litter and hosing down sidewalks the next morning. I like
bars
(believe it or not) and I like bars to be on our commercial streets and
in
our neighborhoods, but I am no fool and I know that:
1. The adjacent homeowners and neighbors will hate the 4 AM close
time.
2. There is no way to rule that only a few "select" bars can be open
til 4.
You either let them all, or none. The law protects them all equally.
3. Limiting 4AM closing to downtown still puts them beside residences
who
pay as much taxes as you do and did not purchase a condo on Bourbon
Street -
they chose Wabasha, Minnesota or Wall Streets.
4. Limiting to downtown is in reality unworkable because you would be
leaving out the popular Mancinis, O'Gara's and Dixie's bars.
5. We've been told that the cost of law enforcement due to extended
hours is
upwards to half a million bucks - payable via your property taxes.
6. The test of a great city is not how long you can drink alchohol. To
hear
a legislator say that we just don't want to be a big city is insulting
and
obviously the words of a moron.
I also know that ocassionally I speak frankly and with a bit of
passion.
But I am angry that this is being suggested, to cater to a "special"
group
of conventioneers who will be judging us predominately by our bar
hours. I
am more than a little irritated that cities are being played off
against
each other ("we can't be at a competitive disadvantage").
Finally, I may have unfairly sullied the reputation of lobbyists. My
friend
Chuck pointed out that lobbyists don't puke, they're professionals who
have
experience holding their liquor. Its the amateurs who spew.
He may be right, but the particular lobbyists we'll have in town that
week
are the ones who have initiated this whole discussion.
And of course these are the lobbyists who brought us an illegal and
tragic
war, a recession, polluted water, expensive drugs, and even the
moralists
who preach family values but play "outside the box" themselves. They
are
enough to make me queasy without a snootful...
Sorry Sandy, I don't apologize.
dave thune
ward 2
The previous post is mine, sorry I forgot to sign it.
Your a good man Mr.Thune.
The democrat
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You know, I saw Bucky shambling around last weekend's Donny Smith bike show....all by his lonesome.
It occured to me then, that Repke may well be the only 'friend' Thune has.
Anyway, a few select thoughts.
Bucky said:
"Most of you who know me know that I have moderated my bar behavior over the years."
Pfft. Because he is not welcome in any bar within crawling distance from his shack.
"Its hard work to be a good owner/neighbor.."
This is rich, coming as it does from the owner of the most decrepit house in Irvine Park.
I happen to know a couple of people that live there and they are unanimous in their desire to have Bucky sell out to someone with a smidgeon of pride. I've seen hillbilly shacks in Apalachia in better shape.
Seriously.
"I also know that ocassionally I speak frankly and with a bit of
passion."
Not when he's standing anywhere near me he doesn't....but I digress.
Here is the crux of what has Bucky's thong in a wad:
"And of course these are the lobbyists who brought us an illegal and tragic war, a recession, polluted water, expensive drugs, and even the
moralists who preach family values but play "outside the box" themselves."
What Bucky is telling us is that his major problem is with the politics of the people who are assembling in St. Paul.
He's doing everything he can to make the GOP as uncomfortable as he can, despite the fact that a growing number of his constituents are Republican.
Never mind that he has rolled out the red carpet for a travelling bag of assholes that have made it perfectly clear that they plan chaos, violence and destruction; Bucky Tuune is going to spare the citizens of St. Paul the sight of Republican lobbyists puking on their tassels.
Well, it's probably just as well that the bars don't stay open all night.
That way everyone will be at home or in their hotel rooms in time to watch the footage of the cops clubbing Bucky and his filthy ilk to the pavement.
Personally, I'm keeping the popcorn at the ready.
To cater to a "special" group's of conventioneers who will be judging us predominately by our bar or the Boy's that they can pick up in the "rest-rooms".
Why not just open the streets to drug dealers and prostitution.
Then try to go back to what we work so hard to be.
A good city free from crime and murders.
Some people still remember how the city opened it doors to gangsters.
Al Capone, Ma Barker, John Dillinger was the first and only person to be ever called the Public Enemy No. 1.
Dose anyone remember how hard St.Paul tried to expose the MAFIA that ran our city.
It started as illegal booze and grew to drugs.
One of the big time "booze dealers" were the Kennedy Connection, then that money helped make Jack Kennedy President.
Hey Minnesota, just open the doors of our state to crime and corruption and we wont need all these crooked judges.
We wont need The Drunk Cops like Police Officer Vick protecting our Bars on duty, then our state can be the place that the Democrats
want to control like they did in the 1930's
Lets just keep all the bars in St.Paul open 24 hours a day.
Then we can start new AA groups, and then Ramsey County DETOX will have more customers.
St.Paul catering to drunks, like the dead cop and Senater Jim Metsen.
Let all bring our bottles to the Minnesta State Capital and have a sit in and get "drunk"!
Thune says,"The nature of bars and alchohol consumption being what it is, patrons
eventually go home and when they do they talk loud, they fight, they squeal
tires, and generally are a pain in the ass on their block. And of course on
the darker side, bars also have a tendancy to attract other patrons who
deal drugs in their cars and ocassionaly shoot each other."
Ciani says,"I wonder what Thune thinks of affordable housing?We all no that poverty and crime go hand and hand.So what has Thune done to limit affordable housing and to reduce the crime associated with it?Thunes remarks are very revaling,"
Also Thune said it wasn't fair to allow one bar to be open later then another.Where was this thinking when he constructed the smoking ban?I'm really starting to believe Chuck and Thune share a brain.And its brain dead!
Tim Ciani
Flash
Buy your taser's before you need them.
This sounds like a Democratic party.
Sandy Pappass is always' backing something that is not quit good for the goose, but if its good for the gander or the DFL'ers she will pull all punches to get things done.
Nancy is the only person that points out the cooks at the capital and films it so all crooks that do business here in St.Paul and Minnesota has a inside track.
Someone said how Jim Metzen got a DWI or Drunk Driving Ticket, was he and the boys drinking while they were passing laws for our state, maybe.
Sandy Pappass just might not get elected next time because of her friends like Thune and Repke, Sandy is a nice Jewish jewfish lady, that dose not care for the poor, disabled, minorities people in her area.
She is one person that will be at the bars till they close at 4 am in the morning.
One more for the road, right Metzen, right Sandy.
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