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197 Comments:
CITY OF SAINT PAUL
INTERDEPARTMENTAL MEMORANDUM
DATE: January 6, 2007
TO: Sheila Williams, Human Resources
FROM: Bob Kessler, Director of LIEP/NHPI
Robert Humphrey, Administrative Assistant
RE: Answers to Questions Raised in December 28, 2006, E-Mail
Before we detail the answers to the questions that you posed in your recent memorandum
concerning the duties of Steve Magner and Dick Lippert of the Code Enforcement Division, we
want to step back for a moment and take a look at the big picture. We are concerned that we
might miss the forest for the trees by only focusing on specific individual job duties.
When the Ad Hoc Committee on the Future of Code Enforcement met last summer the
committee discussed the history of the City’s management of the Code Enforcement function
and noted that the function has not had a classified manager with subject matter expertise for
many years. The division has been headed by an unclassified appointee, and prior to 2001, there
was a succession of interim managers from the Police and Fire Departments who had no
experience in code enforcement.
The nature of enforcement, especially at the local level, is that it often involves a significant
amount of political pressure to achieve certain outcomes. The Ad Hoc Committee identified that
it is absolutely essential for the code enforcement function to be guided by a classified manager
so that he or she could have the civil service protection to withstand the pressure to bend the
rules to achieve a particular end that is inconsistent with the code and/or past practices.
Another reason why we need to establish professional classified management for code
enforcement is because there has been long history of undervaluing the personnel who have
managed the function and performed the inspections. In addition, certain inspectors as members
of the AFSCME Technical Bargaining unit have had the responsibility for division management
but were not compensated appropriately. This history of inequity has lead to poor morale and
needs to be addressed. And most importantly, addressing the inequities should not only be based
on applying the principles of the Q.E.S. system. We need to view code enforcement as a
function that is equal in value with the other divisions in the new Department of Safety and
Inspections and that it should have a management structure commensurate with the Construction
Division or Environmental Health.
EXHIBIT 4 STP 222851
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In conclusion, we urge you to consider the big picture, not just the specific details of a job
description. If there was ever a time to take a creative approach to addressing past inequities,
this is it. The following are the specific answers to your question.
Duties Performed by Magner:
1. What is the extent of supervisory authority delegated to and expected of this position? Is the
position acting as a project lead, lead worker for specific inspection functions, or a full
supervisor for a section of NHPI?
Mr. Magner has full supervisory authority of the vacant building, case management and
homeless enforcement sections of NHPI. In addition Mr. Magner fills in for the Supervisor of
Code Enforcement, on a daily basis when the manager is in meetings discussing the merger and
other relevant topics. Mr. Magner also assumes full management responsibility for the division
when the manager is gone on vacation and otherwise out of the office.
2. Besides budget responsibility and possible supervisory authority, what distinguishes the
new vacant building oversight from the ongoing role this position had for leading the vacant
building unit?
Mr. Magner, in his previous capacity, was a lead worker with a case load. Currently, Mr.
Manger is a full supervisor and has been relieved of his case load responsibility for supervisory
duties. In addition, the position is now responsible for case load design and management.
3. How does the inspection of homeless camps differ from housing and property inspections?
By their very nature, homeless individuals are violating some aspect of the law. The population
is generally suffering from multiple disorders including mental health and chemical dependency
issues. These issues make this population unpredictable. Issues raised in dealing with the
homeless tend to be more complicated than those raised when dealing with generally law
abiding property owners.
Duties Performed by Dick Lippert:
1. Which duties require the most time on a daily or weekly basis? The typical duties may be
numbered and referred to as such.
1. 20% -- Provides management leadership and day to day oversight of the Code
Enforcement Section of the Department of Safety and Inspections (DSI). Duties
include supervision of staff responsible for: the investigation of complaints, issuance
of correction orders, the inspection of all owner occupied dwelling units and exterior
condition of all residential and commercial properties.
EXHIBIT 4 STP 222852
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2. 20% -- Other duties supervised include: the registration and monitoring of all vacant
buildings, the administration of the case management (problem property) program,
the demolition of hazardous and/or dilapidated vacant buildings, the administration
of the truth in the sale of housing disclosure program, and the registration of all one
and tow unit non-owner occupied rental properties.
3. 20% -- Provides supervision of assigned code enforcement staff, to include work
assignment, project assignment, work scheduling, managing and coaching employee
performance assessment, training employees, recruiting, hiring, rewarding and
disciplining, and the resolution of grievances.
4. 10% -- Represents the Code Enforcement Section of DSI as the chief enforcement
officer in dealings with the Legislative hearing Officer, other City and outside
agencies, community groups, the court system and the media.
5. 10% -- Develops new strategies and programs that improve the delivery of services;
drafts new and revised legislation; deploys, as necessary, the resources of the unit in
order to better meet identified problems; modifies programs and services in order to
maintain and improve the City's existing housing stock.
6. 5% -- Assists in the planning and review of the annual budget for operation of the
section and special projects; reviews and approves expenditures within the approved
budget.
7. 5% -- Communicates program objectives, priorities, and progress to the Mayor, the
City Council, citizen groups, and the public; conducts surveys to solicit feedback in
evaluating programs and services.
8. 5% -- Provides expert testimony on behalf of the City in regard to legal actions and
legislative activities.
9. 5% -- Makes final enforcement decisions; facilitates conflict resolution in order to
obtain successful enforcement outcomes; ensures that decisions are consistent with
the laws covering housing and health code enforcement.
2. What types of research and analysis has been conducted to date? A list of a few topics should
suffice.
● Analysis of the efficacy of vacant buildings program and the problem property
program
● Analysis of the proposed fire certificate of occupancy program to cover one and two
unit rental structures
● Development and recommendation of the case management approach to problem
properties
● Development and recommendation of the overall conceptual structure, currently
being used, for the initial organization Department of Safety and Inspections
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3. What are two examples of final enforcement decisions made by this position? Distinguish
the decisions made independently and those made in concert with other DSI management
positions.
Mr. Lippert is the final enforcement authority on condemnations and summary abatements
including emergency and substantial summary abatements. Mr. Lippert makes these
decisions autonomously within in the Code Enforcement Division, without consultation with
any other managers in the department.
Mr. Lippert also has set the parameters of authority and actions exercised in the vacant
buildings program that is supervised directly by Mr. Magner.
Please let us know if you need any additional information regarding this matter.
C: Ann Mulholland
Angie Nalezney
LeeAnn Turchin
Dick Lippert
Steve Magner
Christine Rozek
EXHIBIT
"The nature of enforcement, especially at the local level, is that it often involves a significant
amount of political pressure to achieve certain outcomes."
To achieve certain outcomes? Would that be like white neighbors wanting the outcome of no black people living there?
Do you think that's what they mean Repke?
Spin that Repke!I thought code is a complaint based system that is followed by well trained inspectors making the calls on violations.You mean its not about code but what political heads want.Chuck stop when your ahead.You're beat.So is the city.Friendship to Dave is one thing but spinning out of control is just plan supid.Hey Bill Cullen how do you feel about this thread?Does it make you want to invest in St.Paul?
Sid
This city is just nothing ut a bunch of shit with shit people electing shit politicians to do their racist bidding for them. They don't even have someone running this department that is qualified or has experience? What's up with that? It's no wonder they are in the mess they are in. Inexperienced management taking orders from ass kissing politicians who lie through their teeth so they can please everyone and then odering the inspectors to go out advance the corrupt political agenda.
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St Paul treats renters like shit and they treat the people that rent to them like shit. All one has to do is look at the amount of regulation put onto both that the city would never dare to try and put upon the taxpayers who own their homes. Renters don't have the "roots" that the homeowners have for the most part. Absentee landlords can't vote like the people who own and live in thier homes can. The you have cowards like Kathy Lantry who want to make their career out of hurting the people who can't fight back in the voting booth. She keeps leading the crusade against landlords and she keeps getting reelected cause the stupid east siders thnk she's doing something good for them. Now we find out the people in charge of code enforcement have no experience? To make matters worse, they are bending the rules to get the desired outcome? Didn't I read something here a while back about how the city corrupted and rigged the courts so they could get a desired outcome? I can't believe the people of St. Paul think this is good leadership.
This just stunning! With what I have read here the last 3 or 4 months it looks pretty certain to me that this is going to be case that goes to the jury. The thing I find troubling is how any competent Attorney could have allowed this matter to negatively spin so far out of control. It sounds like it should have been settled long ago.
Guys wait a minute for Chucks side of the story.Usually when Chucks backed into a corner it takes him awhile to think of spin.He might need some guidence from Thune on this one.Well,what the heck I'll spin for him.
Chuck is going to say,"You guys have nothing.No one benefeted-no Rico.The mayor and the city council put the ad hoc commitee together to help NHPI and code enforcement.They reconized that they needed leadership in NHPI so they hired Kessler who has experiance.See folks just a bunch a wealthy slumlords trying to say that the city should break state law by keeping every little piece of paper.See.Dave Thune is a good man."
See guys anyone can spin.Try it its kind of fun.
I have no idea how the plaintiff attorneys find these docs but I'd have to say good job.These attorneys seem to have their stuff together and would rather have them on my team then this Seeba gal.I kind of feel sorry for her.She's fighting with her hands behind her back.
Sid
I am struggling to understand the federal law concerning RICO.
As Chuck stated here, I don't see the financial benefit to the city.
Who and how did they benefit?
Someone suggested the Rico-men have a case under the 1983 federal law statutes? Civil rights violations.
What do you think about this Chuck?
Alex Wendt
Bob lets stay on this thread.This Memorandum is very disturbing and also very important.Are people like Chuck the one that put pressure on the council to assert their power to gain certain outcomes inconsistent with the code?This is why Chuck is fighting tooth and nail.If these lawsuits prevail chuck may loose his influence on his elected officials to do what he wants.
Linda
This sounds like spin in epidemic proportions.
Kind of like when a Nazi plane has been hit, and it's spinning into the ground with a trail of smoke.
OK folks read this again...
"The Ad Hoc Committee identified that it is absolutely essential for the code enforcement function to be guided by a classified manager so that he or she could have the civil service protection to withstand the pressure to bend the rules to achieve a particular end that is inconsistent with the code and/or past practices."
Kessler the head of LIEP is informing the head of Human Resources that he wants the position to be a classified (permanent not appointed) job. He wants Magner's job to be his job until he retires. That is who you are arguing for folks. Got it?
Kessler is saying that Magner has valiently fought off all of those pollitical pressures that one would face from getting calls from angry neighbors to go after the vile land barrons and should be rewarded by having the job as a permanent civil service job. So that he can stay their until he retires.
So, it sounds like you all agree with this judgement by Kessler.
That's nice to hear.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Alex as to your question, that is the other part of the suit.
The arguement is that by going after these problem landlords that the City is actually trying to rid itself of people of color. That the civil rights of these people have been violated by the City attempting to make the owners bring the properties up to code.
To buy this arguement, you have to believe that the City has a desire to rid itself of people of color and that it has devised this plan to do it.
The assumption is that people of color desire to live in poorly maintained buildings. These selected landlords are offering a service by not maintaining their properties to attract people of color. They are the heros by not repairing their buildings they are creating the types of properties that they know people of color want and that if they repair their properties that would repell people of color.
It is the most vile racist arguement that I can imagine and I can't believe that anyone would attempt to do it with a straight face.
So, no I don't think there is a chance in hell that requiring these guys to bring their properties up to code violated anyone's civil rights.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Thanks Chuck,
How bout the fourth amendment. Isn't this a gray area?
Alex Wendt
Chuck civil service protection means not being fired for not black balling landlords to achieve a particular end inconsistent with the code.And political pressure is a council member not getting his way a firing the puppet.Chuck I hope the city doesn't think like you.You could spin a shit sandwich.
Chuck said,
Kessler is saying that Magner has valiently fought off all of those pollitical pressures that one would face from getting calls from angry neighbors to go after the vile land barrons and should be rewarded by having the job as a permanent civil service job. So that he can stay their until he retires.
Where does that say this Chuck I must have missed it.
Sid
Sid that is what this means...
"The Ad Hoc Committee identified that
it is absolutely essential for the code enforcement function to be guided by a classified manager
so that he or she could have the civil service protection to withstand the pressure to bend the
rules to achieve a particular end that is inconsistent with the code and/or past practices."
Kessler wants the City to recognize that Magner has done that and that the position should therefore have civil service protection.
Good job Steve!
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Alex - the fourth ammendment would only apply if you believe two things.
1. that cities can not regulate or monitor the business of renting real estate.
2. that cities can not enforce public health standards.
I think they can do both, but it would be grey if you think that they can't do either.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
No matter how you spin it Chuck the end comes out the same. The city is going down, and along with it will be most of the council members. Do you think what they've done to these poeple is right Chuck? Do you want to live in a society that uses politics rather than laws to go after people? How would you feel if someone were blaming and bankrupting you for the actions of others not under your control? I think you have some very serious issues with reality Chuck.
Chuck would retirement for Magner be prison also.Chuck you are scum and always will be.Why don't you take this stuff over to edemocracy and see if they have the same views as you.
I DARE YOU!!Your to much of a wimp that hides behind big government.I'm sure Bob would help you.
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More like a broken record.
TAMMANY HALL, right here in good ole St. Paul!
I'm with Nancy! Let r rip Chuck!
Where is Eric in light of these disturbing revelations? Nothing wrong in good ole St. Paul right Eric?
Chuck, Why then do the inspections involve only rental property and not homestead too?
I was wondering how does it help a tenant to condemn them from their home to the street. This isn't showing concern for the conditions someone is living in. Why not let them stay in the home until while the repairs are being made? It all seems so cruel.
I live in a mother in law apartment in my son in laws house. (by the way, my son in law is an attorney)I am thankful I do not need PHA housing especially after reading all the stories Bob has posted here about it. I am thankful my sons home is not required to have one of these inspection. My wifes and I's friends all feel the same way.
Something should be done about the burglaries Bob reported on here at the Episcopal homes. And this 93 year old lady. The law suit is very disturbing. We are talking about this among my family and friends and we do have some concerns. Frankly I don't care if this is RICO or not, Bob has proven there is serious problems with our city government.
I am a world war 2 veteran and it just doesn't seem too american to me to have a government agency snooping around in my home. I think citizens should be informed of their 4th amendment rights.
Alex Wendt
"east side best side"
I'm new here.Can someone tell me why there is a HUD standard and a city standard on code issues?Are they guidelines?And what does PHA follow?
-Brenda
Wow folks I just read what Bob posted and told you what it actually ment in the real world. It means that the guy that you blame for all of these evil things now has civil service protection because the City thinks he does good work.
I just read 'em folks I didn't write it.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
I'm going to take a back seat on this one folks.I think the documents speak for themselves.And Chuck is at his spinning games again.Chuck you better hope and I mean hope that this suit doesn't see the light of day in front of a jury in a courtroom.
I hope that the city is applauding Magners employment.Will they applauad and stand behind him when he is in cuffs.
You're a sick man Chuck!
Tim Ciani
They won't need no civil servant protection up there at that NHPI office for too much longer Chuck. In case you don't know it, there are many many criminal cases that develop as the result of a civil case, and this one looks like a "front runner" to me. Then they'll have some "Federal Protection" and guards looking out for them in their new career.
With all the bickering here for many months, and the constant denial that things are wrong, even in light of the proof being right there for people to examine,I hope the case does see the jury. It's the only thingn that's going to put the city in it's place and bring about change. I've never seen such a state of denial and disregard for reality.
1:42 - What's your point?
"St Paul treats renters like shit and they treat the people that rent to them like shit. "
That's exactly what we elect them to do.
J
Big Government huh Chuck?Government running everything and regulated the few things they don't.Sounds a lot like communism.
Sid
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OK - try this again. The City is trying to make the land owners maintain their property that they rent. They are protecting the renters.
You guys can spin it all you want that people WANT to live in substandard conditions, but the facts don't bare it out.
On every one of these cases the landlord gets extentions after extentions. At some point the City says enough is enough. The City tells the landlord that he must repair the property or he loses his C of O.
That is not treating the renters like shit that is stopping the land barons from exploiting the average person.
And Nancy I recall that we had a revolution to make sure that there weren't those kinds of princes in this country that could do what ever they wanted to the serfs on their land.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
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We had a revoloution to get rid of the kind of government you stick up for Chuck. It was the same arrogant fucks like you that thought everyone below them was shit, and even at one point told them to eat cake when they had nothing to eat. We've seen your brand of protecting people and we don't like it. You spin your BS about landlords thinking that people want to live in slums, but you forget to mention how they like the place until the don't have the rent. You don't mention that most if not all of the code violations are damage caused by the tenant for the express purpose of getting the upper hand on the landlord. With exceptions of course!! Did you leave this out on purpose Chuck?
Then you go on to say that landlords get extension after extension and I'm sure some do, but we all know of landlords who got no extension. In fact the city makes it impossible for you to get the repairs done (sometimes they fabricate violations) so they can railroad owners through their crooked and rigged court. Have you not seen the proof when Bob posted it here Chuck or are you being forgetful again? Then you go on to talk about how these guys lose their C of O cause they don't comply, but you're not telling us that the C og O was not in place when the illegal activities that brought these lawsuits down on the city took place. Are you just lying to us on purpose Chuck? I take exception with your remark:
"That is not treating the renters like shit that is stopping the land barons from exploiting the average person."
Who's exploiting who Chuck. The city perpetrates a fraud on the renter by making the renter think they are going to come out and help them extort money out of the landlord (when they don't have the rent) by writing up orders for the tenant to use as a litigation tool against the landlord when he's trying to evict them. Then they fabricate false violations to be able to condemn the place to get the tenant out of there because of the behavior issues with the neighbors. Now the tenant is on the street with nowhere to go but sleep in a car or under a bridge. The city is the one doing the exploiting and in the process they're an accessory and a co-conspirator to extortion at the least. Your no match for Nancy Chuck and the more of this corruption stuff that comes out, the more so your not even a match for the more common of us on this blog. We are finding out the truth, and your not telling it my man!
I guess the dirty underwear could have been a trippin hazard right ?
Nancy, you must live like a slob because they shouldnt be on the floor and I am sorry that you dont believe that keeping dirty laundry off the floor isnt part of good houskeeping.
PHA tenants get writ up for this kind of stuff everyday and can get evicted for poor housekeeping.
What if you were a landlord showing an apartment you would expect the same.
Your trying to cook Chuck for something every landlord should expect from their tenants, GOOD HOUSEKEEPING !!!~
You never were a landlord so I dont expect you to know better.
I sure wouldnt want to trip over yours.
Get a grip !
Harold S.
Oh, its all right to keep your thong on the floor though.
If your renting to a pervert.
Since when did housing codes start dictating where people keep their dirty laudry? Is there anyone here that really thinks that's an appropriate use of government power?
Maybe keeping the floor clear and clean is your idea of keeping your house in order, but it may not be my idea, or anyones elses and until this stops being America I am entitled to keep a different house than you. The government has no business being in my house looking at my dirty laudry.
Chuck said, speaking of Steve Magner.
Good job Steve!
I say, Steve should be tied to a public spitting post and spit on by people who pass by.
Ok dip, you seem to be the only one willing to be a self proclaimed slob so go ahead and live like one, but so long as landlords refuse to see that their tenants have good housekeeping standards, the city will get him on it and thats that.
Harold S.
Wow - I sure do stir the pot just by giving you some idea how the other side thinks.
When this thread started you were all cheering that the City had decided that having people appointed to be the head of code enforsement was a bad idea and that it was excellent that Kessler had informed Human resources that he wanted to make Magner's position a permenant civil service possition.
Just scan up and read what you all were writing. Asking me how I could spin this. Proclaiming what a major wrong the city had admitted to (by not making Magner's job civil service a long time ago).
Now you are beating me up for agreeing with you.
I just can't win with you guys. First you are in love with Magner and now...
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
I dont see how this Memo says anything signifigant. Whats the issue with this ?
HAROLD S. said:
and I am sorry that you dont believe that keeping dirty laundry off the floor isnt part of good houskeeping
PHA tenants get writ up for this kind of stuff everyday and can get evicted for poor housekeeping.
my guess it there's lots of underwear laying around the floor next to Chuck, Magner Kesler and Lantry's beds because of all the people that they slept with in this RICO.
anyway we get an inspection of their bedrooms?
For anybody interested, and maybe Bob can post, the Federal Racketeering Law is U.S.C. title 18part 1 chapter 96.
Read this then read the RICO complaints.
Jeff Matiatos
In 1984, the Key West Florida Police Department was declared a crimminal enterprise for dealing in cocaine and the police chief was involved.
Who ever says a city can't be declared one is kidding themselves.
Jeff Matiatos.
Just a simple question. Would someone in Magner's managerial position ordinarily not have Civil Service protection? If not why are they seeking extra protection for Magner?
Is this Chuck guy reading something else?I don't understand what he's saying.I'm reading what you put up Bob but i don't get this guy.
Charlie from the WestSide
Interesting reading on that Racketeering law Jeff. Thanks! From what I read, even if you're not part of the scam and are being used by the crooks you can be declared a aprt of the Racketeering Enterprise. There were many different "qualifiers" and each one I read made me think of St Paul and how they have done it with regard to what people say about their inspections. Better go back to the blackboard Chuck!
You guys ever wonder why Chuck keeps coming back time and time again to call these suits and its posters silly or stupid?If he really thought these suits were bogus why does he waste his time trying to explain?Chuck its not like were pulling your teeth to post here.And by the way,tell Dave to go F himself.
I know one thing for sure. If it were me facing the kind of evidence I've published here, I'd be very worried. I also would've tried to settle the damn thing before it got this far and I certainly wouldn't have destroyed evidence.
Chuck,
Steve Magner is trouble. I am a contractor in Mpls & St Paul and everyone knows how this guy operated with regaurds to his "friends" in the same line of work I am in. Follow the money, talk with the big "3" renovation contractors on the east side... They will tell you what has been going on for years. This has been a dirty little secret for years and years.
Charles Repke should be the last person posting the garbage he is. Charles Repke heads a non-profit, money wasting ES Dev. Corp. This is the biggest waste of our $$ around.
Charles, all government is good right? Government never makes big mistakes do they? Come on Charles, you know what happened back in the 80's with you and Dave..... do I need to enlighten you and remind you? Charles, you are a puppet of Daves. Dave just is afraid of saying the mindless things you spew.
This lawsuit has gone on for so long. It seems like we have been reading about it forever. With all the evidence that is coming out, I just can't wait until it goes to trial. It will be refreshing to see the city get what they have coming for the way they've acted and the people they have injured.
I sign my posts Just My Oppinion Not Those Of My Employers Past Present Or Future so that we don't have to go through this bull shit every day. It is funny every time we get a new clown in here that has this big news that he has to tell people that I work for several nonprofits. Go read City Hall Scoop today I am in there for one of my other jobs. Suprise, suprise there is someone who posts here that has a JOB.
Anyone wants to stop over at the shop and discuss what the business does I would be more than happy to sit down with you.
My most recent deal was to do the site assembly for the new Phalen Cub. The CDC did the community relations work, assisted in facilitating discussions with City agencies and departments.
The City didn't pay me a dime the transactions were between private buyers and sellers. So, you have no clue what I do for NENDC.
As to Thune and I in the 1980's from 1982 until 1989 I was an employee of a community corrections facility in Minneapolis working mostly with murders and sex offenders... were you one of my clients? I supervised the counciling staff and for a while I hired Thune to work the night shift. That was how we became friends, I supervised and watched him stand up under pressure and decided he had some guts. In 1989 I was his campaign manager.
So, go for it big guy let it rip.
What do think you have on me?
Unless your my Ex-wife you got nothing that bothers me...
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck, my opinion is that although your no fan of the RICO fan club, and I dont know what to make of the
other stuff people say about your
past and present contacts with St.Paul Government, you seem to have been around this town enough to know whats going on.
Maybe to much, but just the same I appreciate your service to the community.
Someone with an open mind.
Chucks interpretation of this memo is correct. I think some of you guys here are wishing beyond hope for evidence in the RICO cases.
Chuck, I think you're great!
Amanda, some of this stuff being posted is just a very small sample of what the evidence consists of.
I doubt that the plaintiffs attorneys would be so foolish as to show their hand and let everyone in on what the most impressive evidence is to date.
This memo here is no smoking gun and everyone here knows it, but it was posted to help us all understand the overall picture here.
That being said, it doesn't mean Chucks right .
However, reading some of your posts, it appears you could stand to follow this stuff more often than you do because every time you post, your simply cheerleading for Chuck when you could be offering more of a perspective and non biased opinion.
BREAKER BREAKER, need to cut in on this thread and tell you that PHA was sued in civil court by a pro se litigant (God help her), and a summary judgment is scheduled before Judge Mott on 5/21/08.
Didnt someone say that Judges were hand pick to hear PHA cases and dismiss them ? He was named as one of them and I know from personal experience. I will be there.
PHA has a new attorney handling civil matters and seems all she has done are evictions.
I am going to find out what its all about and get a report back tommorow.
Case file is 62-cv-08-1241.
Jeff Matiatos
So your divorced too Repke? Not exactly an admirable thing to have in your background! Were you married to a Republican?
Charles,
You consitantly stand up for this administration (and past) as if there is not a chance that things were done incorrectly. Do you really believe that public servants "do no wrong"? Open the paper Charles, everyday there is another story about public servants/government employee's stealing money, on the take, etc. You just have to come to the realization that some of you friends may have it in them to do wrongdoings. It is OK to admit that some government officials are not perfect. They may have it in them to push the limit on what should and shouldn't be in their power to do.
Charles, Our own President of the United States lied under oath about getting a few BJ's in the Oval office. Can you imagine what her really did in the Oval office? This President is probably an idol of yours too. Or have you jumped ship to Obama?
Charles, we are all human. We are in nature-- greedy, selfish people.
Your first step is to accept the possibility that bad things may of occured under the watchful eye of Andy Dawkins (come on, the guy is one of the biggest supporters of a homegrown TERRORIST). Andy Dawkins ran this dept, that is all that you have to think about. Nothing could have been done wrong with him at the helm, right?
Think about it CHARLES......
Didn't Wally Nelson the biggest vacant home buyer and rehaber build Magners Dads house for free?I looked at records and found no mortgage either.Didn't he try and give property owners purchase agreements for Wally.
Chuck Magners such a great guy I wouldn't even investigate to see if Magners crooked if I were the city.Just promote him and give him a lifelong job.
Sid
Look folks I don't even know that Magner and I have ever met. I am guessing during the eight years I worked at City Hall that I would have had to have.
If he is getting anything under the table I hope he fries and that is true times ten for any elected official that is or has held office in Saint Paul.
But, even if Magner had a warehouse full of goodies that he had gotten from kick backs from bad actors it wouldn't give me any reason to believe that Kelly or Dawkins or anyone else at City Hall would have had any reason to have been involved in a conspiracy to get Magner something! And it wouldn't show that any corrective action sought on anyone elses properties were done with the intent of making Magner any dough.
That is the insanity of that arguement. There is no rational reason to connect all of the unrelated dots into anything that looks like any kind of a pattern.
You guys harping on a link between Kelly, Dawkins and Magner, but Bob has posted info here where Magner was trying to get to be the head of housing inspections under Kelly and Kelly wouldn't give it to him. He wanted back in 03-04 from Kelly what he wasn't able to get until 07 under Kesler and Coleman.
If Kelly and Dawkins were pals with Magner and trying to make his life better wouldn't the first thing they would do is give him civil service protection? Make sure that he would be there forever...
People ask why I keep posting here. Three reasons...
1. I love a good arguement so being out numbered 100-3 makes the sides about even.
2. I have grown to like Bob, we have side conversations from time to time and to this point he has encouraged me to post, and
3. I firmly believe that "we the people" are the government and that we control our own fate. NOTHING pisses me off more than this constant harrang that you can't fix the government or it is the government out to get the people. I am totally convinced that it is nothing more than an effort of the rich and powerful to keep the average person from being involved in the democracy. Because if you don't participate the fat cats always win.
So, I don't give a F if you ever agree with me on anything if it keeps you active in the democracy. I learned at a young age that a west side poor boy without two nickles in his pocket could get access to the government if he was willing to show up and participate.
And no I haven't drunk the Obama kool-aide. Go to www.fec.gov and you can find out all you want on my politics.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Yes , it's true.. I have encouraged Chuck and Eric in private emails to post here.
We cannot seek the truth without differences of opinion.
I have infinite respect for Chuck and Eric. They come here in the face of over whelming odds and state their beliefs. "They have a lot of courage"!
They are well educated and versed in how city government functions. This is a benefit to this forum. I recognize them as a big part of the life blood of this forum. If I had the cash I'd put them on a salary here. :-)They sure enough deserve it with what they put up with.
Chuck is the kind of guy we all gravitate to in building relationships. He has courage, he's loyal and stands by his convictions.
I hope and pray for more folks like Chuck and Eric to start posting here.
I encourage my son and his friends to post here. And as many of you know they have posted from time to time. We need to hear more from young people.
I value ALL of you who post here greatly and I value the lurkers who come here for the show.
"We are on a truth seeking mission"
You people don't get it - this is not a representative government of the people. It just couldn't work. We would have to vote on every issue. We elect people to do that and the majority rules. The majority looks on the people who rent and renters as second class citizens - people either out to make a buck or not responsible enough to settle down and get a job and buy a home.
We (and I'm in that group) pretty much elect the officials that will enforce that belief and if they don't, we find people that will. Oh the people we elect give the goofballs lots of chances to fix things so we can look like we are trying to give them a fair chance and see that their rights aren't violated, but most of us would be happier if they fail and get the hell out of town.
Chuck is not so much an apologist for the city but living in another world where he really thinks most people care about each other and would like to see us all get along. It isn’t going to happen buddy. The landlords who are out to make money without taking care of their property and renters who were never taught to treat other's property respectfully will never change. The only solution will be to push them out some other city or state.
I'm not saying all landlords are useless - Bill Cullen is an example of someone who takes care of his property and works with his tenants. Not all renters are bad either but if the general public hears negatively about one - the others are screwed. Majority rules!
Chuck is right in one case - the litigants are just looking to harass the city - if they make a little money process, great - if it costs them some money to cost the city money to defend themselves - that not so bad either. Either way they are getting revenge on the majority and city.
Love ya Bob - keep listening to Grand Funk Railroad
J
10:02, so you think the Rico suits are staged for your personal entertainment ?
You also think that they exists to just harass the city ?
Well here is the deal, that its entertainment to you is your pleasure not theirs.
If it harasses the city thats just a natural consequence that occurs in every kind of legal warfare.
It appears these landlords are suing because their buisnesses were ruined in some aspect or another and your telling us the landlords are just litigants throwing away their money for kicks ?
Chuck is not right and either are you.
The landlords provide a service and the service costs money just like anything else.
Most landlords charge fair market value per sq ft.
Landlords who rent in certain parts of the city have unique challanges that the city simply doesnt want to put up with yet because they do, all of the sudden
when the crime rate is out of control in St.Paul, the landlords are to blame ?
The city acknowledges that homelesness is a magor disruption
to the tranquility of the city.
Its a fact of life so deal with it.
crime-homelessness ?
The landlords provide homes and PHA is pissed because these landlords are supposedly getting a to big of a slice ?
Sounds like the mobs of the 20s where everybodys cutting for a bigger slice only its the city that looks more like Al Capone not the other way around.
Harold S.
10:21 Nana Na Nana!
I'm not amused - more annoyed - after all, some of the money is mine. In the old days the litigants would have just disappeared. John O'Conner where are you?
Like PHA want's anymore headaches?
Nobody wants a "slice" - they just want everybody out.
J
Thats your problem, your living in the old days.
We have acorruption problem in the city even worse than it was then.
with your na nana na you seem pretty amused to me punk.
Thats what the RICO guys are saying fool, that PHA isnt just a long arm of HUD helping the poor, they are using their status and city affiliations to become THE sole primary landlord in the city and the city likes the idea because through ACOP they can control what scum their is in Public Housing and in the city.
How come ACOP isnt providing security for landlords then and just PHA ?
You wouldnt believe it but you should see all the evictions PHA has in court.
And they blame landlords for the problems in the city and want to shut them down through discriminatory code enforcement ?
You ever heard the term nuisance property ?
Find one PHA property thats been labled a nuisance property and tell us where it is !!
You dont have a clue.
Harold S.
WHEN RICO CHARGES: NOW PROVES A "PATTERENED ENTERPRISE" CITY OF ST. PAUL BY FORENSIC RECORDS AND LAW ARE GUILTY FOR YEARS.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=RICO+Statutes&btnG=Google+Search
USAM 9-110.000 ORGANIZED CRIME AND RACKETEERING - Mar 16Title IX of the Act is the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Statute (18 U.S.C. §§ 1961-1968), commonly referred to as the "RICO" statute. ...
www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/110mcrm.htm - 26k - Cached - Similar pages
I looked at that case involving the PHA suit by the pro-se litigant and it was very difficult
to understand what it was she wanted of the courts.
I think it ends there.
Jeff Matiatos
Looks like Sharons back.
See ya later Bob.I don't have great respect for spinners like you!See ya Later.I'll be watching the Ricomen from a distance.Good luck on April 14th.
Sid
I meant spinners like Chuck.I was frustrated for the fact you had to kiss Chuck arse.
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Nothng wrong with throwing Repke a bone once in a while Sid. He has to put up with a lot of crap here, he deserves it. Don't go. We need you.
Nancy, what could the National Guard do to help matters ???
Nancy, go back to school
"Democracy" from the webster dictionary.
1 a: government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
2: a political unit that has a democratic government
3capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the United States from emancipation Republicanism to New Deal Democracy— C. M. Roberts
4: the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority
5: the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges
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I'm afraid Nancy's right. Your city is screwed Repke. You may as well just go buy a bottle of "3 Buck Chuck" and just watch the "freefall!"
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National Guard ? Whats the authority under which the Guard is proceeding ie. law or rule citation?
well folks I think we found a potion for Chucks spinning.Its NANCY.Keep up the good work Nancy with Chucks spinning your the final one to screw him in the ground.
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Nancy, when Judge Johnson turned you down you should have applied for a writ of mandamus or writ of prohibition to the court of appeals.
Jeff Matiatos.
Sorry Nancy, I overlooked for a moment your last posting, good work.
Jeff Matiatos
I can see it now, the National Guard is arming their tanks and assault vehicles for a march on the capitol and city hall in Saint Paul. The troops are loading their M16's.
NANCY, has called them to arms!
Reading your shit is a trip to the twilight zone.
Nancy your a ding bat!
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Hey Nancy I don't come here for your BS history lessons and preaching. Either stay on the subject or go back to where you came form. Why don't you give her some help Bob......AGAIN.
Bob leave Nancy alone-If your going to stand up for the shit bag Repke who spins like a top leave the ding bat alone.Shes the only thing close to Repkes serial spinning!
Nancy can get too focused on reforming judges - something most of us don't understand the connection to inspections issues,
but she is a good counter to the Nazi propaganda machine.
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Nancy, the government is not trying to get rid of renters by using code compliance. The government is trying get the landlords to provide safe and healthy housing for renters.
It is the racist plaintiffs that argue that people of color desire substandard housing and that they are providing a special service by not bringing the housing up to code.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
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Chuck Repke you know where the Bodys are buried specifically Rosalie Butler, exposing Milt Rosen on Coruption of Tires, Frank Staffenson, The Bloat Bubble is Bursting. From the Graves of the Dead, the Records are pristine,perpetual,
Thune has not acted alone, Ciy Attorneys, Mayors regardless of Party, By the Grace,God,Google,Gates and now
www.krollontrack.com We the people will prevail. Forensic Records, Video's, Pic, Court Documents GO RICO
Nancy the dingbat wrote:
"I don't care how many of you f--g idiots think that you can "vote in" people to the city council or the state legislature that will do your "dirty work" of getting the renters and minorities out of St. Paul."
Nancy, I don't have anything against minorities - just renters and scumbag do nothing landlords. I don't care about your race, religion, or IQ. If you don't take care of the property you rent or the property you own, get the hell out and that's what I want my elected officials to do. As long as they follow due process and the laws they have created within the constitutional framework that better happen or we get new ones.
Even these pansy ass progressives seem to get that honey.
J
Nancy,
You need and boyfriend and a real education. Not this online university shit you regurgitate here.
You remind me of a sketch from in livnig color. Damon Watyins is in prison citing all of this random knowledge, peotry and scientific thery. None of it makes sense, and in the end the caption reads: "A mind is a terrible thing to waste"
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good news everyone. those pant sagging gang banging good for nothings moved off my block. the house is vacant now. I hope someone steals the copper and this damm building blows up.
froggy
Well I got as far as Sharon Anderson. First we get Nancy back so she can make everything about her and now we have Sharon. Get rid of them Bob or we'll be back to where we were before. I'm expecting Bill Dahn any minite now. We were doing so good without the 3 of them.
Good to hear from you froggy. Great to hear your problem has been solved. Now the only thing left to do is raise the taxes many many times on the wasteland neighborhood you now live in to pay the landlords for the party the city threw on you and your neighbors behalf.
Honey-
I don't think renters are evil - maybe one or two progressives are but that's another topic. I said the renter's who have never been taught to respect someone else's property even if they are renting it are the problem. I doubt these people even would take care of their own property and would probably be a blight on any place they live - rent or own.
The landlords I'm referring to are also not evil - just poor neighbors. When you go into the business of owning to rent you should damn well know the challenges and the fact that a small percentage of the renters are going to be a problem. Look at Billie Cullen - he is what I would believe is good landlord and even he has his share of poor tenants. A good landlord's problem is that we don't have an easy and simple way for him to get rid of these people due to people like you who continue to say we need more litigation to make sure a person's rights aren't violated while trampling over the good landlord's rights.
Love you baby!
J
Good job Froggy! Way to use the city to rid yourself of those who a different than you. You racist puke.
With everything you've written here, you think we forgot about your KKK-like rants?
Yes, having Nancy back is a pain. The woman never heard the term moderation as in use moderation when posting. This is a blog, not an activist class.
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Delete her posts and get rid of her. She's so stuck on her ego, she'll never add anything worthwhile other than changing the subject and fighting for her selfish cause. Remmeber Dahn? Get rid of her now or you'll have all three of them back here ding the same shit they did before
Babe-
Did you read what I wrote??????
Nancy wrote:"you said "A good landlord's problem is that we don't have an easy and simple way for him to get rid of these people
due to people like you
who continue to say we need more litigation to make sure a person's rights aren't violated while trampling over the good landlord's rights."
Not me - I believe in shoot first ask questions later. Landlords should be able to throw the renters out with minimal due process.
Nancy wrote: "Do you sleep with Chuck?"
I prefer long curly dark hair to the scruffy gray look of Chuck. He does clean up nicely for meetings though...
J
Here try this folks, landlords have always had the power to rent to law abiding decent, clean tenants and landlords have the ability to conduct background checks and it is they, not the city who decides where these people wil live.
Landlords may feel threatened and bullied by city code enforcement but if landlords would screen their tenants and maintain their properties, we wouldnt have RICO suits today.
Heres to you Chuck.
1:28 You need to read more. The process a landlord has to follow is cumbersome and lengthy. While they are going through the process their property is often trashed and the neighbors infuriated. I have lived near a rental home for years and the condition of the home is direct relationship to the renter. Background checks rarely frequently don't tell the landlord a person is slob or deadbeat who destroys property. 1:28 have you any experience with this - do you know what it takes to get rid of a tenant?
J
Yes, I am a landlord and I can tell you that while I feel for these RICO plaintiffs, Every landlord takes ultimate responcibility for what their renters.
Bad tenants, good tenants come in from everywhere and landlords must take measures to combat and deal with these folks when problems arise.
Landlords have mant options not discussed here.
How about that most landlords are required to keep money in escrow for building up keep.
How about that landlords can purchase insurance to protect from tenant damages and its insurance can sue on behalf of the landlord.
How about unlawful detainers ?
You want to be in the landlord buisness then accept everything that goes with the job.
If however an entity like code enforcement comes in and sticks its nose around its because nieghbors are fed up with the tenants living next to them and political and community pressure
causes code enforcement to step in
in the interests of the entire neighborhood.
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I would like to say to our friend J is landlords in St.Paul rent to the same tenant pool as PHA.
PHA gets a disproportionate share of the poor and recieves government subsidies for te rents not including the millions of dollars in building upgrade money for their properties.
Landlords dont get that extra money.
The city favors PHA because it knows HUD regulates PHA property maintenance and upkeep and has a firm grip on tenants because PHA can dispose of them and there are thousands to step right in and occupancy is not a problem.
If you cant make it in public housing as a tenant and get the boot, those folks are reduced to living in the private sector and the landlords end up with them.
2:19 don't forget about the 7,000-10,000 on the waiting list for PHA.Who's housing them?
That a good question. My guess is that those people are still in flight from the middle east or
in other countries deemed to be a threat to this country.
No really, some of them are constantly on the move and skipping out on rent buying their time until they get into subsidized housing.
PHA will take all sorts of tenants and you would be schocked to learn the types of people PHA takes in.
Lots of good senior citizens and disabled folks in public housing because of the rent and accomodations for them including the controlled enviornment that offers personal security and safety in some of their hi-rises not including the ones where people are pissing in the elevators.
Let me formally introduce my self,
my name is Lewis and it is I who have been posting within the last 35 minutes along with some others.
I am a landlord and I to have experienced many of problems so many other landlords have faced but I have a larger majority of good tanants than not so good.
It depends on where you rent and to whom.
Nancy you are right!
J
To 1:28
If St. Paul was not using code enforcement as a back door to violate people's civil right we would not have the rico suits.
As far as the following ststaement you make:
"Here try this folks, landlords have always had the power to rent to law abiding decent, clean tenants and landlords have the ability to conduct background checks and it is they, not the city who decides where these people wil live."
you don't know what you're talking about. How the heck are you going to predict someone's behavior by screening? Most of the problems are caused by boyfriends the tenants run into after they have rented! And as far as the landlord making the decision and not the city, well you just don't know what you're talking about. It's made to look like the landlord gets to make the decision, but it's a coerced decision with city threat in the background. Stop talking stupid.
Lets face the facts.If you own rental on Grand avenue you get better clietele and better rents.Which means Chuck you have more money to make repairs and to attract that top notch tenant at top dough.
Now if you own a property on the eastside you automatically are at a disadvantage.First the tenant base has less money and are unable to afford Grand avenue living.So what landlords do is follow Hud standards per say to offer safe affordable housing to his/her clientele.When landlords are faced with aggressive code enforcement above and beyond the Hud standard it forces landlords to raise rents-which they can't-which puts them out of business-like we've seen.
And the question I ask is why would St.Paul come in after a section 8 Hud inspection and be able to write up defeciency after defiency?Are the Hud inspections not good enough?No.There are Hud standards to preserve affordable housing.
So Chuck did you know that.
Bart
In the early days of Hitler, the first thing he went after was people's housing. He did it in the name of "saftey." All the chickenshit freeloaders and cowards in society went along with him. Anyone see any paralells?
You may be a landlord Lewis, but you don't rent to the "low income" tenant base and that fact us is very obvious by your stated outlook and "know it all" attitude about the rental business. If you didn't have the option of a good tenant, but rather just the best of the bad (which isn't much of an option) you wouldn't be posting such self rightous BS.
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I understand your frustration about not being able to predict the behaviors and actions of tenants and their guests but a good care taker working for you is worth its weight in gold.
I have one who manages very well for me and my leases are very strict and up front.
My leases are not year round and it gives me more options in anticipation of problems.
I require damage deposits and first and last months rent.
I cover my bases.
I am not a landlord in St.Paul so
I will only go so far in commenting on the rental issues going on there.
You are correct and I give you that much because I do not rent to low income tenants but I have in the past.
No BS here just the facts.
I understand the problems in your area thats why I dont rent there.
Understand ?
Yeah we understand completely Lewis. You don't rent here in this cesspool where you can't find a decent renter if your life depended on it and you get sued for discrimination if you refuse to rent to some, and then we have to put up with a city code inspection department that fabricates violations so they can close down your business and ruin you finanically and if that's not bad enough we get stuck listening to some dirtbag like you take pot shots at us from somewhere safe where you don't have these problems, but profess to know all about them. You've got a lot of nerve lecturing us about screening tenants you piece of shit. We're citizens and taxpayers too and we are entitled to just as much protection for the government as the lawbreakers you don't want us to rent to are. WE GET NONE! Instead we get blamed for the problem and I think I'm sick of being blamed for the problems of failed city leaders who are too cowardly to come up with an honest crime control plan other than blaming and bullying and fincially ruining people that can't fight back so they look good in the political arena to people like you who keep re-electing them. How about if we balme you Lewis? That makes about as much sense. How would you like to be blamed for the actions of others while the people we pay taxes to so they can deal with those issues sit on their ass and do nothing but play the blame game?
Like I said before friend, and all I seem to know about you is that your bitter at me because you choose to stay in the corrupt town of St.Paul when years ago I saw it all coming and got out.
Someone holding a gun to your head to stay ?
Dont tell me your sob story if you wont even acknowledge common
sence. Did you get sued for discrimination?
Thats a no no.
If your a landlord your a pretty shity one who doesnt know his ass from a hole in the wall, but hang in their friend.
You get blamed for the problem because you are the problem.
Better get out of St.Paul because things are not going to get any better.
No my friend, you and the others like you are the problem and you're going to pay for it when these landlords get done with city. Right or wrong, slum or not, the city has no right to be violating people's civil right and that's what those lawsuits and consequently the formation of this blog is all about....people standing up to bigots and punks like you who think it's OK to have cowardly leaders with no leadership ability at all other than bullying and breaking the law do your racist biding for them. You'll pay my friend and you're going to pay dearly and when it's over there will not be any more code enforcement in St Paul because the plan they have going is unconstitutional and the court should find it that way.
Don't get so uptight. Lewis is not a landlord and it shows in his theories. He's just another typical East Side racist trying to do what they do best. Blame the landlord. They want the pros of diversity so they can feel good, but want to shun the cons of diversity.
qnxmqbqaAll right person posting at 8:17, You must have been a victim of this RICO buisness so what are you doing about it ?
This gal Nancy seems pretty active so why dont you get on her wagon.
I do not think its ok for city government to push and bully anyone around, but your using me for a whipping post isnt going to solve your problems in St.Paul and you would have to get rid of your whole city council and mayor all at once to rid the problems in St.Paul.
Not going to happen.
To the poster at 8:21, you want to tackle the cons of diversity, run for office and when you clean up St.Paul maybe I will move back.
You have some real problems over there .
You two posters, I can just see you now, on a plane about to
crash and even though you have parachutes, you wont use them.
I tried landlording in St.Paul for 12 years and saw the shit that you do but now its worse.
Better pull the cord.
Lewis
Hi All,
There is a story at the Ron Paul website speaking of calling the National Guard to arms. Some of the same stuff Nancy L. was talking about here.
I don't know enough of the law to know if these guys are drinking koolaid or not.
click the link below for the story.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/45063
Thats right Bob, you better drink hot chocolate old man.
Uriah Heep .
Well I guess I have to give that Nancy L some credit. She can't get the dirty cops in town to make her arrests of these crooked officials so now she's working on having the National guard do it for her! I hope you make it honey. I'd love to see guardsmen with M16s going into the city hall and take some of these assholes to jail.
To the anonymous landlord fighting with Lewis:
You're an idiot. Lewis is one of you and testimony to what you've been bitching about, and you cut him at his knees. Same thing on another thread where some dipshit (probably you) went after Swiftee, who hates government.
You cornholes are cutting your own throats. This case, which never had a shot, will be defeated by its own supporters. Amazing.
Oh, everyone of these elected officials are acting within their power given to them by the people. The regulate, enforce and judge. There are elections every two years here, you can change it if you want.
However, with your persuasive skills and ability to win friends, you couldn't convince the public to come out of the rain.
I've got an idea, how about having Nancy represent you?
Bob, its Kool-Aid. Ron Paul raised some money and was on equal ground with four other candidates and he was blown off the map in every contest.
People who live in the neighborhoods of the shitty property also pay taxes, and rather not see your eyesore, add to the problems while you sit at home in Hastings.
Eric
Yeah real nice make fun of my name.Atleast I sign my name you wimp.
Bart
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I have a news flash for you Eric. In every other city in the country where landlords have sued the city for this behavior BS attached to the housing code, the cities have lost their ass. In Long Beach, 1 landlord alone got 26 26 million dollars!
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Thank you Eric, the two posters responding to my comments are cunfused and on the RICO band wagon
for reasons they are not even shure why.
I was simply attempting to opinion that the job of being a landlord comes with its risks .
Those two were complaining about
landlording in St.Paul and being picked on by code enforcement.
They dont have to tell me about the problems going on in St.Paul because I left years ago because I saw the writing on the wall going.
Really, were these RICO guys maintaining their properties or were they cited on a bunch of trumped up charges ?
You and Chuck seem to be the guys saying it was the lanlords not living up to city expectations.
If it was an issue of bad tenants making the landlords look bad isnt the blame to the landlord for making bad choices ?
Nobody is forced to rent where they dont want to.
It may sound like I am supporting code enforcement but I am not.
A landlord renting in St.Paul, especially on the East Side knows going in what there up against .
If these landlords haven't figured out by now that this city is going to clean this town up at all costs, even if its dirty, their in for one hell of a ride.
Lewis
I didnt mean to say that Landlords should be responcible for tenants who show their bad side once their in the door but I think I put it that way.
Sorry.
Lewis
OK Nancy,you want to play like the boys? Fine.
I didn't know that race determined ones innate ability to discern not only the law but, the law that affects them in particular. I disagree with you and you want to be like some of these dipshits and bring race into (how dare some black man disagree with me when I'm trying to help him/his people)? Well, fuck you Nancy (and, no thank you. you're too old and unattractive).
You're a woman who spends a lot of time writing about shit she has NO clue about. I mean c'mon, everybody is wrong except you? You, a high school dropout, discovered constitutional rights that have been invisible for 218 years? Whatever. You're a nutcase and the sooner you are jailed, the safer we'll all be.
You overblow your importance and influence. Oh- I've been at the capitol working pretty regularly and have never seen you there. I also checked the agendas and saw nothing about any of your issues in either the senate or the house. So when, or who were you testifying to? Or, have you read something in the constitution that says you don't have to recognize the legislators and just talk out loud in the state capitol and it will be official testimony?
If you shut your polluted trap for five minutes and read something someone writes on here, you'll see that I have been arguing against the RICO part of this case and leave the other conclusions for the facts. I have stated that the carrying out of code enforcement needs to be looked at to be sure its not a tool for racist agendas. That is the same position the ACLU and NAACP has taken. In doing so, there still needs to be a standard, a bottom standard for rental property. That is also a position of the NAACP and Urban League, being poor does not mean living without dignity. Heat, running hot water, asbestos-free, minimum mold, minimum pests, safe stairways, working elevators, smoke detectors, safe windows, minimum garbage pile-up and secured dangerous or caustic chemicals. That's not too much to ask for.
I understand the people give certain powers to ones they elect. One of those powers is to regulate businesses. Those standards are different city to city and county to county across the state. Regulating the rental industry is no different than the restaurant business or used car dealerships. its what they do, because we asked them to do it.
Last year, Council members who voted to tighten the regulations on single family and duplex rentals (which had different standards than multi-unit rentals), they were all re-elected handily. The people had an opportunity to 'correct' the government and chose not to.
Are you going over-turn the will of the people because you feel you're smarter than they are?
You know, Lewis and Swift (and you) decided to leave St Paul because it wasn't for them. That's fine. That's freedom. What you're doing is not only trying to force your views on people but condemn those who disagree. That's tyrannical, actually its a sociopath's way of thinking. If you were actually an elected or appointed official it would be tyrannical.
Eric
Oh Nancy, like 99% of the Republicans, I don't give two minks about Ron Paul. I can see why you would like him, old, crazy, good with his hands and all over the place on the constitution. Funny how half the bat-shit crazy things he preached were dropped from his presidential campaign.
I doubt if they find the time to give this guy any stage time, let alone even get in the XL center. He an his 22 supporters will have to protest over on the river bank with us lefties.
You've earned the ire of my temper with your 'if you cared about discrimination' crap. What have you, or any of you done to erase it that didn't have a direct affect on your pocketbooks? NOTHING.
If you are concerned about institutionalization of bigotry, let's start with the over-pricing of products in low-income grocery stores, or the credit killing rent-to-own places that you find in the 'hood, or the tax places that set up shop and prey on the poor and working classes offering quick rebates for exorbitant percentages, or the check cashing places that's another 'extra poor' tax? How about dealing with the landlord issues that some of them have?
I could go on but, you've been absent in fighting against discrimination except now when it affects you. I am absent in this fight, and have been and am present in the others.
Step one would be to understand that we are not a monolithic race. We can admire Barack, Condi, Colin and still disagree with Clarence. Grow up, you can't grow older.
Eric
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Eric aren't you called by your people as a uncle Tom?Thats just what I heard.Don't get mad and want to fight tough guy.
Steve
Man, you white people sure are obseesed with race as of late. Where the hell were you during the racial profile hearings at the state? Where are you in addressing the health and education disparities? Yeah- not your issue, huh?
No 'Steve', that's what white guys who think black means being dependent on whites or acting like a thug.
I don't have to come on a blog with some of the highest per capita of angry white men (and one crazy white woman) with computers on this side of Freepers to find out what blacks think of me. I live with 'em, go to church with 'em, eat with 'em, hang out with 'em and talk with with 'em about you guys.
We are not as stupid as you think. Even if the city's action result in adverse living conditions for some of us (as you say it did), your kind has NEVER been there for all of the problems we've dealt with daily- only to the extent that you were part of the problem.
There you have it Steve, from the horses mouth, to the horses ass.
Eric
can't we all just get along!
Let's not get too lost in rhetoric that mislead from the issue. RICO and the rest happened when the city council and officials decided to use housing enforcement for their own agendas.
The key is to get politics out of it.
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Eric said-
Last year, Council members who voted to tighten the regulations on single family and duplex rentals (which had different standards than multi-unit rentals), they were all re-elected handily. The people had an opportunity to 'correct' the government and chose not to.
*Now, now Eric, this isn't totaly true. Carter was concerned about deconcentrating people of color in frogtown.
Hase, and that fella who ran against Dave were in favor of tougher code compliance. Just want to keep you honest friend.
Wow Nancy,
'Your kind' refered to landlords.
What have my kind done? Some people like me went to school, got a degree and own our own stuff. I live on the east side and I see and interact with blacks who are teachers, principals, nurses, cops (including the Chief), business professional, lawyers and city workers.
We spend a lot of time working on problems that we could easily move away from. That's dedication. Where do you live again, Miss Citizen?
The only one whining about handouts is the crazy bitch that can't get anyone to listen here rants on her fantasy constitution.
Know who she is?
Eric
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You haven't done shit Nancy. You haven't fed anybody anything but your bs.
I forget that when I talk to people like you I have to be more clear than normal. I left Chicago because I went to a place called college. It where you set yourself up for life in a professional since. So, no, unless I wanted to be a fireman like my father or go to school in Chicago, I left to find my own way. I'd say I made a pretty good string of choices. Oh, I grew up on the South side and Barack Obama is not the only face of success to come from there. I grew up where the problem weren't black and white but of economics as we owned our businesses, stores and property. So, I can tell you from first hand knowledge shitty landlords and tenants come in all colors. So do providers and moochers. That's where I come from.
You were the one who came on this blog a while ago and confessed that you graduated from Tartan yet didn't even know there was a Minnesota Constitution (you live sixty years and never thought about where the authority of the state government or legislature comes from? You never thought about how we govern these colleges or what you were voting on when all of those ConAmends were on the ballot? Or the changes to the MNCon that affected important things like tax allocation, gambling, higher education, health care- and that's in the last 30 years!). You were the one who discovered how government works and decided that we all on here were as stupid as you have been for years.
We're not. Even the RICO men understand that there are three branches and each has a process. I think they'll loose but, they are taking their issues through the process. You come around and decided the process doesn't match what you read, so we are all idiots for working the process instead of challenging its legitimacy.
Now about 'my kind'. We are post civil rights era born citizens who understand we have opportunities that our parents or grandparents never had. So we branch out and achieve. Those who haven't started this path, needs encouragment from us, but to say we are of mindset is to put you in the category of child molesters and serial rapists. They tend to be white. As do meth dealers and so forth. What are you doing about your kind?
Ahh forget it, I can't match your stupidity. You're the queen. I quit.
Eric
One more thing, I don't whine about shit on here. This is a dumping board for everyone that thinks governemnt is corrupt and all of its employees. Those of us who say no its not- or even not everyone is corrupt are singled out.
I'm not whining about tenants, landlords, city council, mayors, judges, cops, code enforcement or even old crazy racists. Well, maybe I do bitch about racists and bigots.
Maybe I'm not smart enough to do it but, I have more success working for change from the inside. Or, working to change the process using the existing rules (such as the RICO men are attempting).
Until I'm smart enough to be like you, I'll just leave the crazy ranting, school marm preaching, acting like a twit on record and dishoveled appearance to you.
You own that world Nancy, we're just subjects in it.
Eric
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Nancy said:
"I need an old white boy to play with."
Amen to that.
Eric
Eric, dont be pushed around by the emancipated and liberated Nancy.
She's just throwing fudge around again.
You see someone downtown bending over collecting coins off the street its just Nancy.
Harold S.
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Read the RICO complaints to see if he is named as a defendant..
If not, he should be considered one and deposed.
Your welcome.
Harold S.
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Next time you want information regarding data practices, you need to request it from the governing body or in charge of the agency.
If they wont give it to you, the city attorney or attorney representing the agency should comment.
Then if no luck, the IPAd.
If no luck there, the courts can reverse the IPAD if you can cite compelling case law or other legitimate basis.
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The responcible authority has the right to consult with its legal council first, who can in turn respond to you with whatever it feels like. Even if their wrong.
Its not that your not right. Giving you what you want could be hurtful to the agency so the attorney sends you on a wild goose chase like the one your on now.
Your conversations with IPAD dont mean a hill of beans unless they issue an opinion.
Sometimes the IPAD doesnt know how to respond.
You can look at their many opinions already published for a situation similar to yours.
The District Court Judge was right.
They complied to your data request by saying no.
Since you dont have an opinion from IPAD ( conversations dont count ), you will have problems in the appellate court trying to justify your request.
No doubt you must have served Jersky and what was his responce ?
What exemption under data privacy does he cite for their denial ?
Your not playing with a full deck
in the appellate court.
That's not what happened. But without going into a litany of the facts surrounding the case, Maplewood did not respond to my request for data. They didn't say no, they just didn't respond.
I have a royal flush in the appellate court.
The St. Paul case is a different matter.
Let's just say I asked St. Paul for various PUBLIC DATA..and..I asked WHO established the procedures concerning the vacant buildings.
The question I posed on this blog has to do with Lippert...under what authority does he set the processes and procedures for vacant buildings?
When I asked the City for this info, there was NO RESPONSE.
Basically, lawyers and experts in the various fields of city engineering that think they know better write the codes. The city council just approves the drafting of the codes as put into writing by the attorney.
The codes are approved and published.
If thats the data you were seeking,
Eric or Chuck could have told you that.
I could be wrong but I think my hand is better than yours.
Your bluffing on the Royal Flush.
Expect the appellate court to call your hand.
They always have at least four of a kind.
I think a royal flush beats four of a kind.
The "other side" for Maplewood hasn't even responded.
I still want to know
...under what authority of law did Lippert control EVERYTHING with the vacant buildings?
Probably the person who hired him ?
The person that hired Lippert does not have the "authority of law" to define his powers. That only comes from legislation, like through the city council.
For the life of me, I cannot find the city council legislation that gives Lippert this authority to control the whole vancnt buildings scam.
So thats it, the data you want is the information on what gives Lippert his authority ?
Maybe its the Ramsey County Commissioners.
They have alot of authority.
Whats his official title?
So Eric....because some people hee habven't been there for all of your causes, that means that because we are here now for a certain cause that makes us less than honorable?
Just to counter something you've tried to spin, I don't think Nancy and the others are saying that it's the college grads like you who are making the problems, but what would that have to do with it? You stick up for their behavior anyways.
Also, I don't think this is a dumping board for people who think government is corrupt as much as it is a dumping board for the evidence that now shows it is corrupt, and corrupt as hell.
I just love all you corruption mongers.....for years you have tried to minimize our arguments about corrutpion by calling for proof. Now when the proof comes out and starts to get made public, you switch to some Bullshit arguement about how we haven't been there in the past. Your a joke my man!
Its called discretion Nancy.
This guy Lippert and the governing body with the backing of the Minnesota constitution are probably the only authoritys that have final say whether or not to act.
The Federal and State constitutions are the founding authorities that give the power to control, thats right I said control the people. We the people as you would say, gave them the discretion.
You may be right about that, but we DID NOT give them the authority to break the law and they've been doing it for so long they don't think anything of it!
You can file suit or appeal the guys decisions but he cannot be held accountable for discretionary acts unless his actions were crimminal,willful or malicious.
In that case, the agency will fight tooth and nail.
If the case is crimminal,good luck getting someone to prosecute it.
I dont know why the United States isn't prosecuting the RICO defendants but they should be.
8:06 means United States Attorney.
Nancy you forgot to post your name at 7:48.
Ciani, what about a code inspection on Lippert? He's part of this deal? Shouldn't bother Bob any Lippert doesn't post here.
For those who suspect something fishy is going on with the city, I think he was portrayed by Don Knotts in the movie 'The Incredible Mr. Lippert.'
Chief Judge Gregg Johnson is married to Susan Haigh. And Haigh was Ramsey County Attorney at the same time Gregg Johnson was/is a Ramsey county district court judge?
Sharon...did Haigh prosecute the case against you, in front of Gregg Johnson?
So what Nancy. The County Commissioners don't appoint the judges.
What's your crazy beef now?
Eric
Sounds like a conflict of interest and Johnson should not have presided over the prosecution.
The crazy beef Eric is that the city and county are up to their eyeballs in corruption and people like you think nothing's wrong with it.
Please point out the corruption. So, they are married, and what?
What corruption? What conflict?
Its the mantra around here and if you were held at half the standard Chuck or I were, you'd quit commenting here like Sid.
So back up your accusation and I'll support your cause (or bitching session).
Eric
There's been nothing but facts and evidence coming out here for the last few months here Eric and you're just too damn ignorant to comprehend it, so you pretend it doesn't exsit. Since you don't read and comprehend very well, maybe you should go to some of the court hearings for these lwsuits aginst the city. Maybe you'd get educated.
Eric,
Don't get so emotional. I asked a question.
Let's just play this out...
IF Judge Johnson presided over a case against Sharron, brought by his wife..or lover, Susan Haigh, you think that there is no conflict of interest?
GET REAL!!
It has already been proved BY EVIDENCE that the Ramsey County district court was manipulated and rigged by the City of St. Paul and Judge Mott.
Don't ypu find it the least bit interesting that the current chief judge of Ramsey count district court (Johnson) has been potentially involved in malfeasances himself? Chief Judge Johnson blocked the grand jury investigation into the corruption of the judges in Ramsey county.
Duh...Eric..how many dots do we have to connect for you?
I wonder if Eric would feel comfortable going into this court and having them pass judgement on him. I'll bet he'd be squealing like a pig, especially is the verdict was lopsided as it is with landlords most of the time. That menas completely opposite the wieght of evidence Eric in case you didn't get it.
Judge Motts having been directed to hear PHA cases is evidence that the courts are fixed.
While not stated anywhere I could find, it appears obvious due to my research on this issue.
The RICO men have other evidence.
Their is a public websight you can go to that is also the same as the program used at the courthouse to find case information.
Type in the name of PHA for example, the city attorneys name for PHA and see for yourself that those cases get assigned to Mott.
This is another form of bending the rules.
Judges can only preside in specific kinds of cases by special permission from the supreme court such as when the Supreme Court assigned Judge Mott to hear all asbestoes cases.
However, someone in the Ramsey District Court Judiciary has overidden the supreme Court and abused the authority only the Supreme Court has.
Their must be a violation of law or Judicial Cannon ( rules and code of conduct for Judges ) .
Mott will be hearing a case in May involving PHA brought by a a Section 8 tenant about to be evicted. The PHA filed a motion to dismiss.
The tenant speaks very little english it appears there is not much hope based upon my view of the file.
Jeff Matiatos
That's your evidence? That's it? I'm going to have to stamp you with a FAIL. I'll be sticking with our eastsider Johnson.
According to your twisted logic, Mary Pawlenty should step down from the bench because her husband is the governor of the state and the one who signs bills into statute.
Any DFLer, who can show they voted against Pawlenty or worked with Hatch, can cry bias and corruption then, right?
Nancy also pulled the following out of her buttocks:
"It has already been proved BY EVIDENCE that the Ramsey County district court was manipulated and rigged by the City of St. Paul and Judge Mott."
'Manipulation' and 'rigged' are not terms with a lot of meanings. You seem to be accusing someone or some entity of criminal activity to subvert the Constitution.
Who?
When?
Why are you, once again, the only one who sees this or knows this?
Eric
Eric, it appears Nancy was asking Sharon about Sharons court matter.
I dont know what your legal background is but according to the court rules of civil procedure, a litigant can request that a Judge be removed for bias ir interest.
It is common practice and happens all the time.
Your right that NOTHING has been proven to the extent that Judge Mott HAS fixed the courts but it appears to be the case FROM A LITIGANTS PERSPECTIVE.
You said Nancy has twisted logic because IN YOUR WORDS, Mary Pawlenty SHOULD STEP DOWN FROM THE BENCH ?
Those were your words not hers.
I believe Nancy knows what she is talking about concerning the bias and conflict issue with Sharon.
Why does Nancys question to Sharon bother you so much ?
Jeff Matiatos
The landlords have proof beyond a doubt the court was rigged. Bob had it posted here Eric. Conveinet to forget isn't it?
Nancy L also has the proof that Ramsey County Court is rigged for the city. Rigged by the white man Eric and designed to hurt the black man, but what the heck, as long as it doesn't hurt you there's no harm done right?
Human Rights Director
Human Rights Commissioner
Cheif of Police
Several County Prosecutors
Couple of Ramsey Cunty Judges
37 Black Church Pastors
St Paul NAACP
Minority Contractors Association
St Paul Urban League
4 anti-gang Nonprofite church related organizations
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All the above are being run by black leaders here in St Paul. I'm sure if it was shown what you say was true, you'd be able to name one of these people/groups who are involved. I mean I've seen them blow the city up on its hiring process and for small things like individual cases of racism by individual city/county employees. This is what some of them do. All of them are not bought by the city or county. Why won't they buy your bullshit?
To most of us black people those organizations and individuals have more credibility than a group of johnny-come-lately conspiracists.
So, I'll wait until I see those whom I trust analyze your cause and make a move, until then me- and apparently the majority of blacks- the vast, vast majority of blacks (and all citizens) will see this as SOME landlords trying to distort the issue of being forced to keep their property up to minimum standards.
Eric
You dont have a very good memory Eric .
Hasn't your reading here enlightened you to the many names of people within this wonderful city who are corrupt ?
You are speaking of job titles when we are mentioning names.
Every where on this Blog you can read about just who and what officials have been corrupt and what the proof is.
The fact that no one has been prosecuted leans in your favor for the moment.
Perhalps you no nothing about organized crime.
Your brain dead.
As far as I can tell, Eric sees nothing wrong with the abuse of power by the city honchos.
Really?
You've laid out some criminal 'accusations' but, even on here, you're weak with evidence outside of what you think.
Discrimination is too big of an issue to be thrown around for you to make a couple of bucks or to level personal vendettas.
You sound like a nut case calling every system corrupt but, in the next breath talking about how you're going break the city. How? Who's going to let you do that? The corrupt judicial system? The people that keep voting your enemies back into office? Who?
I may 'no' nothing about organized crime but, I do know that every crime has motive and potential beneficiary. You all have repeated the motive (to rid the city of blacks) but you are short on who would benefit.
Saying that I am somehow selling out because I call bullshit on your conspiracy accusations is retarded logic. Other black individuals in higher places that have better viewpoints on the city and discrimination, some who's job or mission it is to seek it out and expose it- are also calling bullshit on your accusations.
Some of these people and organizations, would actually benefit from exposing discrimination. So, why haven't they joined your cause- or even been informed of it?
Because for the most part, its B.(as in 'B') S.(as in 'S')
Since we're on a truth seeking mission here let's expose more, some of them have given landlords notice in the past for the way they've treated the very tenants some now claim to be protecting.
(to borrow a word from Swiftee)
Pffft.
Eric
1
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF MINNESOTA
Frank J. Steinhauser, III, et al., Civil No. 04-2632
JNE/SRN
Plaintiffs,
v. NOTICE OF MOTION
City of St. Paul, et al., FOR SANCTIONS
Defendants.
Sandra Harrilal, et al., Civil No. 05-461
JNE/SRN
Plaintiffs,
v.
Steve Magner, et al.,
Defendants.
Thomas J. Gallagher, et al., Civil No. 05-1348
JNE/SRN
Plaintiffs,
v.
Steve Magner, et al.,
Defendants.
PLEASE TAKE NOTICE, that on Monday, the 14th day of April, 2008, at 1:30 p.m., or as soon thereafter as counsel can be heard, in courtroom 8E, United States Courthouse, 300 South 4th Street, Minneapolis, MN 55104, a renewed motion for sanctions made by Plaintiffs
Chuck,
I wuold like to see you there.
And Erci too.
Leslie K. Lucht
Ciani should go if Chuck goes.
That would be something.
Swiftee should go.
A state can be a RICO enterprise. "We endorse the Sixth Circuit's call for caution. We also agree with the Sixth Circuit's ultimate conclusion that the prosecution's approach to this issue in cases such as Thompson and the case at hand may often not be absolutely necessary under RICO, but it is not forbidden. Some cases, however, are exceptional, and ours is one of them. In such a case, the prosecution may have no real alternative to naming the state as the RICO enterprise. (This of course does not mean that the state itself has violated any federal law; it may instead be a victim of the overall scheme, as are many RICO enterprises.) In such a case, the use of the state as the RICO enterprise in the indictment is analogous to the courts' treatment of the state as a market participant in a dormant commerce clause case. If the CEO of a major corporation, who ascended to that position from other senior executive positions, engaged in comparable activities, we would not only accept but expect a RICO conspiracy indictment with the corporation itself named as the RICO enterprise, even knowing that the overwhelming majority of employees, shareholders, and consumers of the corporation were innocent of wrongdoing. The situation here is the same. "In this case, the prosecution thought that it had identified an ongoing scheme to defraud the State of Illinois through the illegal use of two of the most significant executive branch offices of the state and of the state's electoral processes during Ryan's campaign for Governor in 1998. The scheme revolved around an elected official throughout his tenure in these two offices - Secretary of State and Governor - and during the time he was a candidate for the latter office. No legal rule prohibited the prosecution from concluding that there was no single entity or office that it could have identified, short of the state as a whole, that would have encompassed the enterprise that was used by the defendants. In these unusual circumstances, comity interests do not override the broad language of RICO, as interpreted in Turkette. The district court did not err by allowing the state to be the RICO enterprise in this RICO conspiracy prosecution." Affirmed.
Appeals from the United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois, Pallmeyer, J., Wood, J.
I know a number of people cannot understand until they see it firsthand.
However, most of the talk defending the city sounds like a giant sucking sound.
Like Chuck and Eric !
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