SAINT PAUL RICO UPDATE/ Plaintiffs determined to review Magners financial records.
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How can that be? I thought it was a slam dunk from what I have heard here. What happened?
Maybe now they will want to look at Repke tax returns!
So, what happened to the house of cards coming down?
BWAAAAHAHAHAHA
Too bad
So sad
Bill and Sharon to have a baby?
Catch the news at 10 pm...
A elderly woman was working on her home trying to comply with orders from housing code official Steve Magner when he appeared at her door and ordered a stop work order on her home informing her that her home would be demolished that she had not complied to meet his specifications. With superhuman strength borne of fury, she dragged him down the stairs, out the back door, and into the tool shed in the back yard and put his penis in a vice. She then secured it tightly and removed the handle.
Next she picked up a hacksaw. Magner screamed, he was terrified, as he screamed, "Stop! Stop! You're not going to cut it off, are you?"
The elderly woman, with a gleam of revenge in her eye, put the saw in Magners hand and said, "Nope. I'm going to set the shed on fire. You do whatever you have to." My home will stand!
The house of cards is starting to come down now. Get used to it landlords!
How ironic that Magners privacy is protected when he violated the privacy of so many others with his forced consent entrys.
There are a lot of people violated besides landlords.
Bob, do you have what the judge said? Because I would love to see it.
I'm guessing that the court is saying two things, one that the City doesn't have the ability to make Magner give his records... and two that Magner isn't who the plaintiffs have been saying is who benefits from the grand conspiracy.
Like I have said before, you can't keep changing who and what you are suing about, it is suppose to be a conspiracy by elected and appointed officials to put landlords out of business to benefit PHA or whatever landlords aren't out of business or somebody.
When you start asking for Magners records you are suggesting that the Mayor and Dawkins are all conspirering to make Magner money... no one in their right mind would make that case.
If it is a simple extortion case of Magner against Nancy, then it isn't a RICO case. Got it?
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
These court cases are the only hope for the City of St. Paul to change course.
You must not understand lawsuits very well Chuck. If the Discovery process leads to additional evidence of wrong doing, both sides are entitled to go after it. If looking at those tax records would have revealed additional wrong doing, the guy is a c ity employee. He was acting on behalf of the city, and thus the city would be responsible, just like when a cop beats someone up or a snowplow driver decides to drive throguh your living room. GOT IT REPKE?
Plaintiffs submit that Magistrate Nelson’s decision is erroneous, misplaced, and contrary to law.
How could this dumb bitch Nelson disregard four peoples sworn afidaviates attesting to Magners criminal behavior? The fuckin bastard Magner was caught red handed standing there with stolen goods from the gargage of 14 Jessamine.
I find it hard to believe the police haven't even questioned this crook Magner. This is what happens when you have a police dept. run by a city council.
Bob, you have your first volunteer for the distribution of the News Letter.
I'm no attorney, but I am smart enough to know there is enough there for him to be arrested right now. I challenge anyone on this blog to go engage in that type of activity described and see how long it is before you are arrested and charged woith a crime. Talk about governemnt favoristism, I guess the laws are only for the ordinary people now days.
Maybe this Magner should have been inspecting the bridge that fell rather than going after property owners. Unsafe bridges apparantly are OK, but watch out if you have a torn screen or your grass is too long. This city is nothing but a joke, and a bad one at that.
No big deal. Thats what appeals are for and I assume the plaintiff will.Anybody with common sense can understand theres enough evidence for the courts to rule for this Magner guy to give up his tax and bank records.
Also I've heard through the grapevine the city has been destroying evidence and is going to get smacked by the courts.
Hi All,
Please find a link to the appeal on the front page by clicking onto the TITLE of this post.
Sorry for any confusion.
Well after listening to months of crap from Repke about no one benifeting so there cannot be any rackteering, I am so glad to finally see what the definition of racketeering is. Wanna try again Chuck? From what I read, it deosn't look as though someone benifetting is a requirment.
If the government can get away with these kinds of acts and then they get a dirty court judge to protect them, we are up to our necks in shit and everyone should be more than just a little concerned. What about that loud mouth Eric who like to challenge and fight with everyone that'll talk to him....I suppose he thinks this stuff is OK cause it's his government doing it to someone else.
If it were the business records of a common person the state would just walk in take them while some shitbird cop is pointing a gun in your face.
Does anyone wonder if Kathy Lantry gets any complaints in her office about this?
Loudmouth here and present sir.
It doesn't bother me because I only see these do-nothing landlords complaining. It doesn't bother me because its impossible for a conspiracy to roll out like this. It doesn't bother me because every month more and more Eastsiders are voicing their anger over slumlords and lack of cops. It doesn't bother me because its nothing.
By the way, its your government too. You can control it.
Eric M.
If was accused of wrong doing I would be more than willing to give my records to prove that I was not breaking any laws and that I was honest.
That fact that Magner is running as fast as he can to not supply information has got to be there is some truth to his making money off home owners.
Also on a personal note why does the city not tell Marcia Morman to wash her hair...?
She is an embarrassment in her appearance to the city of St. Paul. I watched her on cable vision and she is appalling in her physical hygiene. WASH YOU HAIR!!!
All I can do is laugh about that last comment, do you really think washing her hair would help? Can you imagine what the inside of her home must look like if she doesn't even take pride to care about her personal appearance when shes at these council meetings? Maybe someone should look into it, she has no problem looking into the condition of the citizens homes.
Lets all donate shampoo to the Marcia Morman foundation!
Looks like ROMPER ROOM invaded A Dem.
9:10 Yes but... you have to be trying to discover something relative to the case.
The cases are listed on the side of this site they are all RICO cases and for RICO cases you need a conspiracy, a victim and someone who was to benefit from the damage done to the victim.
Read what the cases say. The plaintiffs say that the City (elected and appointed officials)conspired to put landlords out of business for the purpose of benefiting PHA or the landlords who weren't put out of business. So, if the judge let the plaintiffs look at Magners records and Magner was a billionaire what would that have to do with the above?
The judge won't let you go looking for something you aren't looking for.
Like I said from the begining there is nothing to these cases other than a bunch of wealthy property owners trying to intimidate City employees from doing their job.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
It may suprise you to know Chuck that there have been several city employees who have given the landlords all the evidence they need and told them all of the places to look in the hopes that the corruption finally gets flushed out and they can do their jobs. I know some of these people Chuck and what I have heard on the QT is going to relaly suprise you I think. I can't wait to hear your response when this goes to trial and some of these things start coming out.
Hey Repke you want to buy a tin foil hat? I think there's some magnetic waves or something that's scrabling your thoughts all up. Perhaps with some tin foil you could start responding coherently after a while. Just a thought buddy. You're starting to sound like your "out there" pretty far.
Repke just parrots the official line because, with enough repetitshun, some uninformed people will go along with it. He helps invent it, but doesn't believe it.
Back to Moreman, just think of all the dirt on her soul. She has provide rationalization and leadership for city employees to go along with this freak show. She is so busy lying to herself that she just doesn't have time to pay attention to her hair.
I just have one thing to say...politics is Hollywood for the ugly. Chuck? Have not seen him in years but he was red faced and porkie back then, I don't think time whould have changed anything. Now I have to really degress, has anyone seen Lantry's butt? My God, and the polyester suits...lime green?? Come on she takes dress for success to another level.
10:26 Some times I don't know why I try to explain these things but, one more time... These cases are in Federal Court as a RICO case, if somewhere along the way someone had evidence that Magner had killed someone and burried them in Lantry's backyard, it wouldn't have a thing to do with the RICO case, it would be a murder case and it would need to go to District Court not Federal court.
Same thing if someone was stealing something, that would have nothing to do with the Federal racketeering case. So, if the folks on here that claim that Magner stole crap from Nancy's garage were correct (but he is a billionaire from all the bribes he gets so one wonders why he needs to steal plywood...) it still wouldn't have anything to do with a racketeering case it would be theft and would need to go to District Court.
So, all this "inside info" you have if it doesn't help prove that there is a conspiracy of elected and appointed officials to try and shut certain landlords down for the benefit of PHA and/or other poperty owners its got nothing to do with tis case.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
I'm sorry, I don't believe this is a rico case either.
This case is silly! Ludicrous "laughably funny"...
Landlords, I believe the city has made some mistakes from what I read here, however, a conspiracy no! None of you have proved that to me.
I did learn Maria Moermond should possibly wash her hair and Lantry has a big butt. Actually, nobody has even proven this.
All of you have really impressed me with your proof. You have been provided with a space here to state your claims and the best you throw at us is personal attacks on Miss Moermond and council woman Lantry, and even those statements have nothing to do with the rico suit.
Your attorneys are the only ones walking away from this with any money. Oh, I can't forget Mr. Johnson filling his pockets too.
Nifty position you have put yourself in Mr. Johnson. I was wondering how many candidates for city council have given you money to throw dirt so they could keep their hands clean.
Hi All,
Amanda, I have not spent any money donated to this blog on anything other than building participation here. I have not spent a single DIME on myself. In "FACT", I have SPENT my own money building participation here!I spent money on the Watchdog newspaper also.
IF, a candidate for city council had donated money I wouldn't tell YOU or ANYONE else.
I don't do this for money. I know you would like to paint that picture for folks who read here to attempt to discredit me. The fact is, I wish I didn't have to be the host of this forum it can be very unpleasant at times. I hear from a lot of distressed people.
I feel a civic responsibility to provide this space for the citizens of Saint Paul to air their grievances against the city.
Amanda, stick around and learn something about me before you make wild accusations about me. Do a search of this blog using the word "Racketeering" and research the information about the RICO suits before making wild comments stating the RICOs have no merit.
Have you even read the suits? They are linked to the right of the screen under the scales of justice.
Question for you.. Are you really Gloria?
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"Willie!" he continued and "On The Road Again" came from the speakers.
Then he said, "Ray Charles!", and in an instant " Georgia On My Mind"
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I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I'd say,
Beethoven," I'd get beautiful classical music, and if I said,
"Beatles,"I'd get one of
their awesome songs.
Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new truck,
but
I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, "Idiots!"
Immediately the St.Paul Destruction Anthem began to play, sung by Marcia Moremond
with Randy Kelly on guitar, Andy Dawkins on drums, Lee Helgen on harmonica, Dave Thune on tambourine, Steve Magner on spoons, Lisa Martin on sax,
and Kathy Lantry on Scotch.
I LOVE this truck!!!
This Amanda is a fool and Repke is a flat out mistaken.
Both of them would do their credibility some good to actually read the lawsuits so they are a little better versed on what it is about before going over the cliff with their misinforamtion.
After looking at the link to the lawsuits, it appears the city is being sued for a whole lot more than Chcuk wants us to believe. The following is what the city is being sued for:
Count I
Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organiztions Act USC Section 1961
Count II
Conspiracy to Violate Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organiztions Act 19 USC Section 1961
Count III
Violation of The Civil RIghts Act of 1968 and Amendments - Federal Fair Housing Act 42 USC Sections 3601 ET SQ 3613 and 3617
Count IV
Civil RIghts Violations 42 USC Section 1981
Count V
Civil Rights Violations 42 USC Section 1982
Count VI
Civil Rights Violations 42 USC Section 1983
Count VII
Conspiracy to Interfere With Civil Rights
Count VIII
Abuse of Process
Count IX
Tortious Interference With Contract
Count X
Tortious Interference With Plaintiff Business Expectancy.
This looks to me like a whole lot more than just Reacketeering Chuck. In fact, given the way things look, if I were the city, I would be pretty happy if that's all it was about was Racketeering.
Where are you coming from Chuck? Your responses are very puzzling to me.
Lantry drinks beer not scotch!
As a non-landlord, I keep seeing Amadna referring to me as such. She should read the Reeko cases and other things, and find out what is going on.
I find it shocking that people are getting their rights vioalted and their businesses ruined and a certain poster articulates it with the following statement:
This case is silly! Ludicrous "laughably funny"...
I wonder if it would be so funny if it were this person's child who had to endure this type of treatment from the government?
Yes there were some mistakes allright, and you can bet your butt someone is going to pay.
"Silly" Statements with swear words demean the site:StPBernards
church bulletin says "Divas" will close 15Aug07 Bet a Buck Dawkins gets a Temporary Injunction
RICO cases are ongoing: Lawyers know how to Appeal, Vacate, Refute Magistrate Orders, which must be signed off by federal Judge's.RICO cases will go to 8th Circuit,and to US Supreme Court for Magners Criminal violations of State & Federal Laws.
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OK 10:59 Counts 1,2,8,9 and 10 are the RICO case that the City has a conspiracy to put people out of business for the benefit of someone. PHA in one of the counts and unkown in the rest.
Counts 3-7 are the Civil Rights violations, I forgot those because they are so insane. They suggest that the reason why the City is going after the worse slum lords in the City is because the City is trying to get rid of the poor people in the City. Get it, the people who exploit the poor the worse slum lords are accusing the City who is trying to force these guys to keep their properties safe of trying to get rid of the poor. Balls the size of watermellons these guys have...
So, yes there are "ten counts" but they boil down to two meaningless accusations.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
and Bob, Gloria was with me all day so she isn't Amanda, I must have one other person that can stand me...
I am not sure what is worse Chuck, the city doing this stuff to people or you trying to minimize it and dismiss it as meaningless and nothing. Government agents barging into private homes with no search warrant and against the wishes of the occupants is meaninless to you? The same government agents fabricating violations in order to carry out their agressions in insane to you?
Bringing false civil and criminal actions against people is insane? Sveral people making sworn statements that certain city officials are trying to shake them down for their property is insane? What the hell are you smoking man?
Who's exploiting who Repke? St Paul bends over backwards to get these renters to call up and complain so they can go out there and help them supposedly, but when they get there they always seem to conveniently condemn the house if there are behavior issues, which have nothing to do with the house by the way. Now the family is living under a bridge or in a car and then the city demands a code compliance on the place which cost ten of thousands of dollars and does not need to be done! After they do it to enough places and tear down enough of them because the owners don't have the money to do the bogus repairs, then there is a shortage of places for those low income people to live. And then BINGO....all of a sudden the neighborhood is nice and white and no more problems. It looks to me like the city are the ones doing the exploiting of the poor.
10:51 and 10:57 here is the insanity of your arguements about 40% of the properties in Saint Paul are rental. About that same percentage are communities of color.
What you accuse the City of doing doesn't happen to 99% of the landlords or 99% of the tenants, so maybe, just maybe what we have here are landlords who don't take care of their propery and the City legitimately enforcing the code and unsafe buildings being not allowed to be rented until they are brought up to code.
That is the other alternative here folks. Because most landlords don't have these things happen to them.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
No, I am not Gloria.
I use my real first name here. I'm not telling anyone my last name!
I know what some of you did to Chuck and Dave Thune. You people will not have the pleasure of creeping around my house and into my personal life. Sick!
Repke what are we going to do with you? You make our heads hurt!
Make sure Repke and Thune goes down without honor.
These DFL Crooks Run St.Paul.
I am not afraid to die for my rights.
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in this world.
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Thank You All
Bob, I just realized that the title of this thread was changed. Didn't this first say something about Plaintiffs motion to see Magners records were denied?
Did you spin this thing to make a loss look like a win?
First you don't post it for three weeks and then once you do post it and people comment on what a loser the suit is, you change the title of the thread to make it sound like the Plaintiffs are pushing ahead instead of the Plaintiffs just got a big spanking.
This is the judge that allowed the Plaintiffs attorneys the ability to depose the former Mayor, two City Council Members and Marcia M and then watches the attornies decide the realy don't have any questions to ask them and now the same judge is saying you can't go poking around someone's tax records just for the fun of it.
Time to get a new lawyer Bob.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
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No I didn't spin anything Chuck.
I was confusing people with the layout of the first post.
I originally posted a "link" to the latest motion in the comment section. People were missing it.
I changed the title and linked the new motion in the title.
Next time if a problem arises I will inform everyone of the changes.
Chuck, Nelson isn't a judge. She is a magistrate.
A real federal judge is reviewing the objections.
Chuck Says...Same thing if someone was stealing something,... So, if the folks on here that claim that Magner stole crap from Nancy's garage were correct...
Ok Up Chuck,
Tell me why Magner was allowed to steal from that garage? Why was he not prosecuted and punished. You don't want to really hear anyone except yourself.
Why haven't YOU went to the police and told them you have seen pictures or if you have not seen the pictures that they are available, of Magner stealing from a garage?
You have said many times if some wrong doing was done then he should be punished. Now do it.
Everyone knows this man has stolen goods from a garage. Now toddle off and act as a responsible citizen and find out why he has gotten away with this.
Stop with the smart mouth and give ME a reason Magner went into a garage and took anything that did not belong to him and drove off with it?
Why is it that he has not been punished and people like you just keep saying humida, humida,humida...
Chuck, you call the police and tell them you want him prosecuted and see what they tell you. As long as the city turns a blind eye to MAGNER it is enough proof to me that they condone his thievery.
A crime was committed that day, By Magner and people like you protect the scum bag. I am ashamed at the City Of St. Paul for acting like they condone Magners behaviors.
Your comment that "if he has all this money, than why would he need to steal from a garage" is deplorable. Greed Chuck. It was there for the taking and because Steve Magner has no one enforcing the rules he proclaimed himself God and took it.
I will never rest until Magner is punished. I will phone him in to the IRS hot line I will watch him at ever turn I will be a silent voice calling the media the government any one who will listen. I am not a member of this RICO suit. I am a citizen who saw the crime on film and I am disgusted as to why Magner got away with it.
He will in the end be punished by the courts. I and others will get him. I live for the day he is behind bars. You (Chuck) should hang your head in shame that you are not acting on behalf of this community and bring that Bastard Magner to justice.
He (Magner)should be fired and pay his fine to society for what he did that day.
He should never have been able to enjoy hiding under your coat as he has been all this time on
e-democracy and this blog. You look as dirty as he is.
And to MAGNER you will go to jail. Lube up your hole. They are lining up around the block for you boy.
12:08 Hmmm OK it was a big deal when the "Magistrate" ordered the Council be deposed, now its not a big deal that the "Magistrate" ruled against the plaintiffs...
12:48 All I have ever seen was a picture of a pick up truck with plywood on it. I have no idea whose truck, where it was and where the plywood came from I have never seen a picture of Magner, anywhere... If you witnessed a crime, call the cops. If you have been listening to bed time stories from this site or the Wet Puppy newspaper, I'll tuck you in and turn out the light.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck gets to the point again. Seriously who the hell cares about what Magner did? From all I have read, it sounds like he was doing his job. I doubt if he was making any serious money on the side. Whatever little he may took in, good for him. That's the way the world works best.
And those city workers who have given info to the landlords, pray for them. Hopefully they will get what they deserve for ratting out their co-workers. Butt surfing is too good for them - being dragged behind a city truck until what little is left can be dropped off at their next of kin's residence is a fitting end.
1:30 you're sick.
This thread has devolved past anything worth contributing to the debate. Lot of childish name calling and Bill Dahn's usual rant.
Hey Bill, why not post those in front of city hall?
Keep giving them hell Chuck. Looks like Saint Louis Park has come around to making life more difficult for slumlords too.
Eric M.
Once again we get the usual contingent of city loudmouths who support the misconduct and damage done by inspections. They applaud the lack of leadership.
The city has its defenders, but no defense.
Shame on you Eric. We have people thinking it is OK to drag people behind trucks just because they came forward and told the truth about a corrupt government, and all your sorry ass has to say is you hope Chuck keeps giving everyone hell. With the kind of corrupt governemnt you seem to support Eric, maybe some day you will have the pleasure of being draged down the road by a truck. because someone doesn't likie something you have done. You ought to be ashamed of yourself and your statements.
Eric,
Saint Louis Park has trained their Fire dept. to look for criminal activity when they enter a home for an inspection. Are you OK with this?
And if so would you be OK with it if you were a renter?
Government agents entering homes for one purpose and being trained to look for illegal activity, and citizens who think the honest ones left amoung us should be dragged in back of a truck for telling the truth. Other citizens who think it is OK to punish and prosecute 3rd parties for other peoples behavior. And all the government groupies with no mind or courage of their own who stick up for this.....all the while hoping they will be the last ones to be eaten.Is this America? Wasn't this the way Saddam Husien treated people? Didn't his people act the same way hoping to save themselves and their loved ones? So many questions to get answered, but by who?
Hey Chuck,
The pictures of Manger and buddy taking stuff from the garage were posted on SPIF along with Thune's house.
Eric thihks it's OK to oppress everyone and violate their rights as long as it's not him. Whata dick!
They plan this stuff in the 1996-99
to get landlord out of the city and
bring the house stock up to code.
To cut gas usage and bring the people back to the city. By
taking down two house and put one
house.
They wanting to get the money that
landlords were getting. And they still trying to be landlord by put
more low income house up, when there too many places now.
They (city council) are the ones screwing with house market.
cause the market to fall out. So,
no one can make money.
They want everyone to be poor. so,
you will do whatever they say.
We all need to call them. And tell them that this stuff needs STOP
NOW. THEY WILL COME AFTER YOU,
CHUCK.
Once they don't need you. Chuck
I know all this because I sit at many meeting in the late 90's,
all the people in lawsuite were
there. They plan it. Know that small chance that they would be in court over this stuff.
Stand up for your rights.
guest of the dfl.
5:47 the only picture I ever saw was of plywood in a truck. No idea who's truck, who's plywood, only someone claiming it was Magner's truck and someone elses plywood.
8:47 that's nuts or your stiff.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
MONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
9:04 PM
Ask "Magner" and the boys standing behind the garage at 14 Jesmine st. by the pickup?
Who pulled up in that car that had two men in it, they sat in the car for 5 minute watching them by the garage?
the two men in the car was talking about, how these people looks like they were stealing stuff from the garage .
HEY That's Nancy's Place.
That was the day The Watch Dog People, had people come and tour Nancy's home and the CH 5 News people were there.
Do city employees get to take
what they lick out of
a condemned home?
Sure They Do, They ARE Part of the "city government"!
Enemies are powerful things. I would not want to be Magner, not in this life or the next. Judgment day will come, if the courts can't get him, God will
Like I said, childish names.
4:25,
I don't think its ok for people to make money off the misery of others and thats what slumlords do.
On the note, I'm not worried about any of you Anonymous cowards pulling me behind a truck, I'd kick the shit out of 90% of you on an empty stomach. The others would have to wait until I get an energy bar and bourbon in me.
Where did the idea of dragging people behind trucks come from? Whatever, its not ok. Google James Byrd and Jasper Texas June 1998.
Isn't it interesting that Eric think it's important that he can kick the shit out of 90% of us that he doesn't agree with?
I've got some news for you Eric, wether or not I go to your neighborhood meetings or participate or even give a damn what you or the rest of my neighbors think, I have a right to an honest Government. All the bitching and detracting you want to do about slumlords doesn't change the fact that we don't have an honest Government here in St Paul. They have an agenda and they break the law to achieve that agenda. What is it you don't understand about that you idiot? No one is saying they want slumlords, no one is saying they don't want code enforcement or properties to be maintained. What people are saying is that they want the city to operate within the law and respect peoples constitutional rights. It's not even worth responding to you because you have much for brains.
I'm starting to see why some of you can't understand there is no conspiracy, you simply lack basic skills of comprehension.
For example 12:07.
So, I will try to address this half-twit knowing it shall bounce off the empty walls surrounding his brain space.
I never said its important to me that I can kick 90% of your asses on an empty stomach. Its important to the asshole who thinks who can drag me- or anyone for that matter, behind a truck.
I speak of slumlords because, if I was to believe everything I read here, I still have examples right here on the east side of slum lords bitching about code enforcement and putting money up to keep this RICO farce going on. So, the only conclusion that one can draw is that these slum lords are representative of the plaintiff.
If you are concerned about civil rights violations then we do have a city attorney and Human Rights Commission and Department.
If they are not your cup of tea, I happen to know a couple of attorneys at the US Department of Justice over at the Civil Rights Division. I assure you, they don't give a damn about local politicians (or federal ones for that matter). They don't fuck around either with phony claims. There is a Fair Housing Initiative they're working on now (Home Sweet Home or something like that).
If you really think there are overt or covert constitutional housing violations going on- call them. They have already taken on Pennsylvania, Las Vegas, Tennessee, New York, Illinois and North Carolina in the last two years and won.
Now, if you really got a case and want to do something for real, there you go.
We all know that this is not about justice but, about trying to protect slum lords from being forced to take care of their property and mind the people the rent to.
Eric M.
Eric said- If you are concerned about civil rights violations then we do have a city attorney and Human Rights Commission and Department.
Hi Eric. I have a long time friend who is a Human Rights Compliance Officer with the State of Minnesota.
When my son was beaten by the police I called him and asked him if I could file a complaint with his office.
He told me my son could file a complaint but, it would NOT go anywhere. He said the bureaucracy was in control. Then he went on to tell me exactly what the "Communities United Against Police Brutality" told me. Do not file a complaint with Internal Affairs of the police dept., or the Civilian Review Board. You know that board the NAACP sit on.
He said, your son could end up with a felony charge for filing a false complaint. Exactly the same advice I was given by CUAPB.
Eric, I am sorry your wonderful democrat system is seriously flawed from the state to the city.
Some people within power have taken great steps to minimize the voices of the people who most need our assistance.
We have people in power who feel they are going to do things their way no matter what. And the sorry thing about it is they are willing to violate citizens rights to achieve what they believe is good for all. They are well intended people who are destroying the fundamentals of our democracy.
They are ignorant to the effects they are having on the citizens of this city.
Their actions are breeding contempt, distrust, and anger to hundreds if not thousands of people. Leadership here is in a bubble hearing from a small segment of our society as the masses live their daily lives without in most cases any regards for the events transpiring around them.
But, when the masses hear these stories they are SHOCKED!
Who are you Eric and Chuck? To continually call me a slum lord? You both think you got me my the little toe here.
You think it is like calling blacks Ni****s and you enjoy the accusations you can title slum lord. It just gives you a thrill to call everyone here who owns rental property slum lords. How sick? You are a dick.
I am a woman who rents a couple of houses that I bought for investment.
They both have been went though and made beautiful, I would have lived there my self.
Wilder Foundation Called me off an add and said they had a woman with a daughter and that daughter has a small child. They told me she was home less.
I rented to these people taking 150 a month less that I was asking. I am getting 550 a month for a 3 bedroom home. My payment is 950 to the bank. I lose each and ever month. Thanks to the fact that the market is fucked in St. Paul and no one wants to live there I am stuck with this house.
The woman is 3 months behind on her rent. Has several people living there that are not to be living there and she is doing no general care of the house, grass or yard. I am cutting the grass.
The building looks bad already and I want her out. Wilder is begging me to keep her and work with her due to the baby living in the home.
Code enforcement has been out twice this summer and I scurry around to do the requested items. I work all day at a job. Then I go to that property to clean up after the renters.
I think actually what you are Eric, is jealous without cause. You see I am the one suffering. I am the one who cares about the baby being homeless. I am the one that is doing this at a loss. Do you ever consider that landlords are good people? No, you just trash mouth slum lord this slum lord that.
I am so offended by your lack of fairness in all of this. You don't know everyone on this blog. You have no right to attack any of us with your slum lord name calling.
When I read your input on this blog, I see someone who never did anything but punch a time clock and make an hourly wage. You have never taken a chance to be come wealthy and you fear those who have taken a chance to better not only themselves but to give an opportunity to a family that would be homeless.
I will have to put this family on the street. I have to make the payment. As badly as I have been treated, as hard as I have worked, I will be the one who can't sleep nights because this baby will be in a shelter.
You point fingers, and want to beat me up? What a small minded man, with no ability to see the greater picture.
I will bet you attend church each Sunday and polish your halo without even knowing what halo is. Go back to your time clock punch in and spend your paycheck at the local bar. Mine is helping a family and for that you call me slum lord. Shame on you.
This is not the days of Rob Roy and land lords on high. We are trying to hold on, for ourselves and our renters. Until you have walked a mile in my shoes please stop speaking of what you know nothing about.
I agree with 9:18 that the snide remarks that Eric and Chuck post referring to all posters here as slum lords or other names is uncalled for. If you think about it that form of behavior only reflects the real person they are and thats not saying much for them from the content of their posts lately.
Like I said over and over, there seems to be a lack of comprehension matched with a huge chip on the shoulders, add the ability to say what you want without having to claim it by putting your name to it.
Let's see, I walk into an arena here where the vast majority see things different than me. I debate, I argue and I stand by what I say by signing my name and where I live. Chuck does the same, as does Bill Dahn, Alex Wendt, Nancy Osterman and Bob Johnson. Amanda drops her first name too. So we have three who have enough integrity to stand up and be named and we're supposed to be the cowards?
Bob,
You'll notice that I referred to the Feds. Enough is enough. If there is corruption and discrimination in the housing area, then Justice has an entire division for you. They have taken on more corrupt cities like Chicago, Philadelphia, Vegas, etc- and won. OF course the city punish by lifting its ban and practices and having the feds oversee their policies and enforcement in relation to housing. In other words, you personally don't get your pockets fattened as you would say in a certain lawsuit pending.
Again, if you are serious, stop fucking around with a 'corrupt system' and rain on them from the top. Unless its as Chuck has pointed out over and over- much ado about nothing.
Bob, I'm a former civil rights commissioner and one of the things I learned is that there are people who enjoy the title, and other who are committed to the good. I am familiar with the current Human Rights Commission (not Department) and know that they are a committed group. For those who care, don't let the city or state remove more of their teeth from their findings (hence my suggestion that we all have a duty to stay informed and on top of what's going on beyond voting). A citizen commission with no power but to draw conclusions serve no one. CUAPB will agree with that.
And lastly, I have not threatened to beat anyone up who has not delivered the threat to me and even then, it wasn't a challenge on my part but an observation. Most of you on here sign 'Anonymous'. So will forgive those of us with names who tend to lump you all together. If you are not a slum lord- separate them from your group and then maybe more people will listen.
Sine this case is built on bullshit, maybe they won't.
Eric M.
Eric and Chuck call people names because that is all they have. No facts, no substance, no truth, just a big self serving mouth.
Hello Eric,
That guy "Anonymous", sure does post a lot here! He accuses you of calling names. Anonymous calls me idiot and whatever else comes to his mind.
The name Anonymous is just to good for him.
9:52 chicken said.
10:54 chicken said.
I have news for you in mature little boys. A mature woman looks for strong character traits in men. Hiding behind anonymity is cowardly.
Eric is a man!
You must not know Eric very well because whenever he doesn't agree with you he want to fight you. Is that your idea of a real man?
Nope.
A man says what he believes and stands behind it. A man also takes care of his family and tries to be an example in his community.
Check. Check. ...and Check.
Now for 'Anonymous'
A coward hides behind the words of others using no name. He is a back-fighter and true backstabber. Since he stands for nothing- he falls for anything. A meek, weak, little image of man is he. The world be better without them.
For anyone interested in truth. I always left my comments on the RICO posts to myself as I wasn't that familiar with them. Some 'Anon' ass brought my name up with insults. 14 or 15 RICO and I don't comment and some jerk calls me out. So, I come out.
Some other jerk, (or the same one who knows?) threatens to drag those who don't agree with his viewpoint behind a truck. Never mind the history and stupidity of that but, sheer idea to think that dissent is answered by a lynching- well your damn right I'm going to step up to an ass like that. That's anti-American and just plain ol' offense. Threaten me with bodily harm, I respond in-kind.
10:34
No facts?
Where have I or Chuck ever served up anything but? You folks want to take your opinion- uninformed as it may be and call it fact. When the city, county and courts disagree you call them corrupt. When the citizens vote their choice, you call them stupid. Chuck write at length and answers every argument with fact and you act like it was never there.
So is everybody stupid and corrupt except you?
Name calling?
Read any post by Bill Dahn.
Read any comment with the names Marcia Mourmond, Steve Magner, Kathy Lantry, Dave Thune, Eric, Chuck and now Amanda in it and try to find any without us being called names or worse.
Go cry your high road whine somewhere else. This blog took a turn from that long before I got here.
Good Night.
Eric said- When the citizens vote their choice, you call them stupid.
No eric this isn't true.. never heard that here before until now.
all that has been said is most people are not responsible in civic affairs due to jobs and family.
i forgot to say they don't vote. they should then you democrats wouldn't have jobs.
The reason we call our uniformed opinions fact is because of the many many people who are all saying the same things in sworn affidavits, lawsuits, sworn deposition testimony, Watchdog newspaper photographs, the 14 Jessmaine record, and testimony before the city council which a lot of us have watched with our own eyes and seen the results which were contrary to the weight of evidence presented.
We call the courts corrupt because there is evidence showing they are.
We call you stupid Eric because that is the way you talk with some of your logic. Wake up and see what's going on around you man. You can't really be this stupid, are you just pretending?
Here's logic for you.
There are almost 300,000 people living in this city.
About 135,000 are renters.
It would kill the city to be purging these people out or to be seen working against their interest.
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Here's more logic for you.
Every candidate running for council has publicly come out for tougher regulations on rental property owners- specific to duplexes and single family homes. They all seem to be doing well this year. Four years ago, they were elected with these views and worked to pass more strict codes with support from voters. So, one has to conclude that few people (I said there are a few)support these 'landlords'.
I've been to a lot of real town hall forums- the loudest applause comes from any statement talking about going after absentee landlords.
The only place in Saint Paul where you find opposition is right here- and the watchdog opinion mag. 300,000 residents and there are still only a couple of dozen at most, supporting your viewpoint. Oh, most of those have some skin in this game too.
Logic says its bullshit and every city employee can't be in cahoots to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. You'd have to believe the voters and citizens are stupid and you and your dozen friends are the only smart ones.
So which is it.
didn't sign my above post at 9:27am
Eric M.
I doubt very much if the politicians are going to enjoy the support of the voters when it comes time to raise the property tax to pay for the judgements. Eric will be the one squealing the lousdest.
My property taxes have already shot up and I know that in order to meet the budget and maintain services we have to be prepared to feel the pinch again.
Didn't we learn our lesson on asking for more services without paying for it? We need more cops. We need more after school programs to give the good kids something to do besides hang out with the not so good kids. The city should also sponsor rehabilitation program better. The city needs to invest in areas that can grow with young families and entrepreneurs instead of them laying barren and dangerous. And, as a city we have to maintain our Park and Library system.
I am aware that those things cost money and am willing to pay my share to live in one of the last great cities where you can raise a family without being rich.
Are you?
Eric M.
I also agree with Eric and I personally know about the lack of funding available for rehabilitation program from the meeting I had with the state department and my investors in regards to opening up a long term treatment facility that focused on female non-violent offenders with addiction and reuniting them with their children in a safe environment. We were told the program is exactly what is needed, but the funding to support programs of such was not available... so we are currently seeking other steps to proceed with our proposal for the facility.
Its a shame more people don't look at the future more rather than the present when it comes to the cost factor of rehabilitation.
Nancy O.
Eric said- About 135,000 are renters.
It would kill the city to be purging these people out or to be seen working against their interest.
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Hi Eric, They aren't going after all renters. The city is targeting low income renters. Mostly minorities, mostly black. Mostly with behaviorial issues. You know this!
And of coarse to get rid of this protected class from these neighborhoods the affordable housing provided by private rental investors has to be depleted. And the city is doing a real good job at gentrifying our neighborhoods displacing minority and low income people, and using less than honorable tactics to relieve home owners of their property.
Eric said- Every candidate running for council has publicly come out for tougher regulations on rental property owners- specific to duplexes and single family homes.
Eric, this is understandable. Most people who attend a block meeting or get involved in a neighborhood committee have issues with something that concerns them in their neighborhood. So they get involved. This is a very small segment of the population of the city. Most people do not have an interest or time to be civic-ally responsible. So what is left is a handful of citizens giving our elected officials input.
I say the input is swayed since at these neighborhood committees and block clubs issues of real crime prevention are not spoken about.
The direction citizens are shown is the blame game of shrugging responsibility from the city and police concerning social ills.
If people like me started attending these neighborhood meetings. The citizens would be asking WHY aren't the police doing their job. Jeeesh, we have citizens who fear calling the police for help. That is very telling of the climate that has been created by the policies you support Eric.
When Nancy said I too agree with Eric. She was responding to a post I had to delete to correct an error.
Just so nobody is confused, I agree with Eric on issues concerning youth.
That's right Eric.....you be a good little boy and fall right in line and prepeare to feel the pinch. The rest of us are sick and tired of feeling the pinch and getting nothing but more crime and worse government and loud mouths like you pretending you know it all and speak for everyone when you haven't even got the brains to figure out what is right in front of you. You're a godam fool.
Wow 5:42,
Do you kiss your boyfriend with that mouth? What are you going to do, continue to whine like a little girl?
At least Bob is working at getting his viewpoint out there.
Unlike many, I do have options. I can move my family out of the city anytime I want. I choose to stay. Saint Paul is a great city and can be better. I like to think that there is still hope for some of the things I listed above in my 10:33 post.
Unlike you, I understand the Libertarians battle cry that there is no free lunch.
You want to complain about crime- but don't want your taxes to increase to pay for the necessary cops and programs needed to bring the crime rate down.
You think government is bad? Get off your ass and do something to make it better.
You can't back to the 1950's and even then things weren't great for everyone. Get up, get out and get informed but, don't bitch about the lack of certain city services and then complain about taxes. You show yourself to be the ignorant fool you are.
You can now finish your tv dinner and Natural Light beer now.
Eric M.
Your right Eric, I don't want my taxes to go up to pay "scare tactic" like more Police. I would much prefer that the Police we have start enforcing the law instead of blaming everything on properties and landlords. I would much prefer that code inspectors start addressing code violations instead of behavior issues. That would be a good start. If you raised your children and never held them responsible for anything, do you think their behavior would get better or worse Eric? When we don't hold renters responsible for their behavior, isn't the same thing going to happen? Surely you are smart emough to figure this out, so why is it that you are always laying all the blame on the landlord who is usually more of a victim of the situation than a problem?
Hello All.
The anonymous signing is very acceptable on the Internet. It is no lack of bravery when you do not give your name and social security number.
I would like to know why Eric wants to know who I am so badly? He drinks, fights, and thinks about women kissing their boy friends.
Eric you show me yours and I will show you mine. E-mail picture of yourself to canbelieveu@aol.com
How long do you think it would be until NHPI would show up at my door if you knew who I am? About a second and a half. Besides you need to prove your not a tub of goooo.
Now come on I am calling you out. Post a picture of yourself. Please, pretty please???
All the girls want to see.
Who the hell would come to neighborhood meeting with Eric there? If you sid something he didn't like, he'd probbly want to fight you!
How many times do I have to tell you numbskulls?
I'm commenting on the RICO because I was insulted and brought into this. I was never involved in these discussions- why? Because I haven't read the depositions and am not as familiar with codes as say Chuck is. Now when Chuck brings evidence and backs up his posts AND refutes allegations with proof- yet he is still called a liar and tool. Someone even accused him of being on the taxpayers dole.
So as long as some see fit to call me names, assign motives to my ideas, once in a while threaten me, and just generally insult my common sense, I'm going to reply in-kind.
You can come to any of my meetings and say what you want. People do. I have heard the most racist, bigoted, ignorant, crazy stuff. I've also heard some of the most heartbreaking and hopelessness stories too. Its balanced with the good ideas, support, and unifying spirit that is present throughout the East Side. I have never worked to stifle discussion, debate of even arguments over here on the East side during our meetings. A little rowdy and raucous discussion is good for the forum sometimes. I also don't sit back like a lump and suffer fools well. So, yes, I am vocal and not one to back down. If the little old ladies can handle it, I'm sure you can. Many times than not, they handle me.
I do however, take every single request, complaint and inquiry and make sure it gets to the proper city reps, and bring back some kind of results or information the following month or as soon as possible. That's my record. Nobody can refute that factually.
As far what I look like? Why do you want to know? I'm married. My picture has been in a couple of papers recently. I assure you that I'm a tall dark handsome fellow with a captivating smile. I'm 6'2" 200lbs with a 35" inseam. You gonna buy me a suit too? I wear a size 12 shoes, just in case.
So, is this where I ask what do you look like and what are you wearing?
Forget it.
Eric M.
As far as who would come to a meeting that I lead, I'd say about thousands if you add it up over the years. I've talked to and listened to hundreds and hundreds of East Siders over the last few years.
That's why I'm confident that you all are on the wrong side of code enforcement. If you to talk about individual abuses, then you have an audience but, when you go on and on about a conspiracy that involves everyone who works for the city, county and judicial- then its bullshit.
Eric M.
If that's what I get, that what I bring back with full disclosure on who said what and when.
Then we take an alternative route until some kind of satisfaction or solution is met.
You sit and bitch from your computer and have never done anything to improve your area except sit and bitch from a computer.
Its a great example again of why none of this taken seriously by the greater population. Credibility.
Go back and hide behind your anonymous tag with the rest of the cowards. Your words fall on deaf ears and straight into waste pile with your other words.
Eric M.
ERIC SAID- Its a great example again of why none of this taken seriously by the greater population. Credibility.
***Come on Eric, the greater population sits on their butt and don't have a clue what is going on in local government. They just trust all is well. When people do find about this stuff they are shocked. What I see here is the story being told from the living rooms of peoples computers.
You are wrong Eric. My neighbors and I are part of the "greater population" you speak of and we think there is a quite a bit of credibility to what's being said here. You see we know what's going on in our neighborhood because we do know each other and we know the landlords too. We even talk to them. What's obvious to me Eric is that you are the one that is not aware of what's going on.
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