Ramsey County Court Corrupted by St Paul City Officials
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Hi All,
Here is a motion for change of venue from Nancy Lazaryans case against the city. If you are new here you can find Nancys story a few topics down the list titled "Another Lawsuit Against code enforcement/more lies and skullduggery from the gestapo housing police force".
The motion is telling of what the RICO plaintiffs have been up against.
The courts are FIXED! There is no justice for the citizens of Saint Paul unless you can get into federal court.
STATE OF MINNESOTA DISTRICT COURT
COUNTY OF RAMSEY SECOND JUDICIAL DISTRICT
Nancy C. Lazaryan,
Victoria C. Marchetti, and
Evelyn C. Wallace,
and “Other Similarly Situated Persons”
all proceeding in propria persona, in summo jure
Plaintiffs,
v.
The City of St. Paul, a municipal corporation
Mike Kalis, individually and as a code enforcement officer
for the City of St. Paul,
Steve Magner, individually and as a supervisor for the
City of St. Paul department of
Neighborhood Housing and Improvement,
Robert (Bob) Kessler, individually and as director for
the City of St. Paul department of
Neighborhood Housing and Improvement,
ReMax Resources, of Stillwater, Minnesota,
Phad Rich, individually and as broker for ReMax Resources,
Thomas (Tom) Sawyer, individually and as agent for ReMax Resources,
Wells Fargo Mortgage, an Iowa corporation, doing business in the state of Minnesota,
Marcia Moermond, individually, and as Legislative Hearing officer for the City of St. Paul,
Defendants Case type: Civil
Court file #______________
______________________________________________________________________________
Plaintiffs hereby move the court for a CHANGE OF VENUE.
FACTS
Plaintiffs are in possession of certain evidence that has been used in the federal RICO
lawsuit against Defendant City of Saint Paul and the employees of said Defendant (also named in
this case).
MOTION
for
Change of Venue
2
Said evidence proves that Defendant City of Saint Paul manipulated the Ramsey County
district court by meeting and conspiring with former Chief Judge Mott of the Ramsey County
district court. In said meetings with Judge Mott, the City of Saint Paul convinced Judge Mott to
assign only a certain judge and certain alternate judges to cases that concerned the City of Saint
Paul. Judge Mott also agreed that a list of particular judges would never be assigned to hear
cases involving the City of Saint Paul.
The City of Saint Paul then conducted private “seminars” with the “selected” judges, and
instructed said judges on how the judges would rule in the cases brought before them.
This so-stated evidence is currently on the public record in the federal RICO case that has
been brought against the City of Saint Paul.
Given the fact that the City of Saint Paul has effectively manipulated the Ramsey County
district court, Plaintiffs’ right to a fair and impartial trial would be violated by having Plaintiffs’
case heard in the Ramsey County district court.
As such, Plaintiffs move for a Change of Venue…preferably at a location that is very far
away from Saint Paul, Minnesota.
In the alternative, Plaintiffs ask that they can “choose a judge” from the list of judges that
the City of Saint Paul had agreed with Judge Mott, “would never hear a case concerning the City
of Saint Paul.”
Plaintiffs rest.
August_____, 2007
11:29 AM
Bob said...
ALSO,
We have some hot topics going and I don't want them buried down the list. SO, I am saving the following topics as drafts for now because they aren't getting the hits these other topics are.
"Villiagers Gather Outside City Hall with Pitch Forks and Axes"
"A hot new apartment amenity"
"Hastings/Landlord to settle womans allegations of demands for sex"
We won't have issues like this with the new forum.
Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb; dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb; dumb, dumb dumb DAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHhh
We have now officially entered the twighlight zone....
This is some strange new demention where the laws of space, time and reality do not apply.
Information and knowledge are now curruption and skullduggery.
Dee, dee, dee, dee; dee, dee, dee, dee; dee, dee, dee; Daaaaaaaaaaaaa!
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Typical response I'd say. What can't the city do that you would have a problem with Chuck? Now they own the court and you think it's dumb? I think your dumb!
Come on 1:02 that was suppose to be the twighlight zone theme...
Its hard to write notes in English...
Chuck Repke
Right Chuck,
Now the city has entered a dementia-n where logic, truth, and humanity don't apply.
With Great respect for http://nancylazaryan.blogspot.com
White Woman putting her life on the line to expose major St. Paul Corruption.Her property located near Rice and Winnipeg, read the millions allocated in Helgens area, acting in concort with City Attorney and State Rep. John Lesch The validity of http://opinions-unpublished.blogspot.com victimizes the public TRUST
http://sharon4council.blogspot.com
1:30 pm, sadly you're very funny!!! Even before I scrolled down I knew that Repke would be the first poster. Sadly I was right. It's becoming very predictible when and what he will say and most people know why. Can't things be just what they are Repke? You try to take the truth of matters and twist and spin them into some lame excuse for greedy motives and mindless retaliations. Get a clue man! Buck up and start taking the high and narrow road. If I can see where you are on the posting board before I even get there, I can see you down the road in the future. You better start praying now as I see some major pot holes and cracks.
Repke is an honored member here and has been for some time now. He gets respect. He always gets to go first cause he paid his dues here!
Folks, I anticipate a response from Nancy Lazaryan before the day is over.
I happen to know she is meeting with a legislator today and isn't readily available for comment.
WOW! Chuck, I feel like I have taken a break from the front lines for a change with Nancy L.'s presence blessing this forum with another intelligent strong woman.
The sharp strong ladies numbers are growing. Nancy Osterman of coarse paving the way. Ladies if you are lurking here, chime in. We would love to hear from you! Your opinion is valued here...
This explains a lot to me. If you have ever had the misfortune of being in court with the city, they always lie, misquote the law, mis state the facts, twist everything around and most of the time seem to win. I always thought the court was just stupid. This is very troublesome to me. WOW, it just terrible.
and this is what the people like Eric Mitchell and Chuck Repke and all the stooges over at SPIF say we should put our trust in. HAH.....LOL. No wonder they want identities of people over at SPIF!
Bob,
Have you faxed this to the press yet?
Chuck...are you saying that the courts and other officials don't work together? I sure hope not, as you know I am studying criminal justice in college do you know some of the issues that are taught to you in college? Such as how law enforcement and other officials on a regular basis request certain judges, request that the first appearance for bail be extended as long as possible, the list goes one Chuck... Did you know that these request are typically honored Chuck? So for you to compare the latest allegations to the twighlight zone is your right of belief but if you were to look at reality you are wrong.
If the city were to atttempt what they had done to me today I think the final chapter of the story would of been written quite differently. Through my studies and communication with professors and other law students I have gained a much better knowledge of the proper procedures when it come to the law and its process.(by the way I have recieved my undergraduate level certificate for "Laws and the court process")
I also know what it takes to advocate for change, change takes time but you know what??? It can be accomplished with participation of angry citizens which we have. The next step is to get the publics knowledge of what has been taking place to violate the rights of citizens, such as the elderly and now with the latest attack of the death of a family member and the estate.
So for those of you that don't believe this is the way the city has been operating for many years just continue to live in your home and ignore the situation, but I would be willing to bet that it is only a matter of time before you will be recieving that knock on your door to have your rights violated and recieve an inspection that will include a code compliance on some technicality that the city comes up with to violate your rights.
We should consider ourselves lucky to have someone such as Nancy Lazaryn whom has cared enough about the rights of everyone of us to include us all with the option of joining her lawsuit.
I personally feel Magner and his associates felt that this latest property would be another easy target for $$ but I think this time they have chosen the wrong person to abuse their powers with, I feel bad for what has happened to Nancy L. and her daughter but at the same time in a selfish manner I am thankful, because I feel this may very well be what helps put an end to the misconduct and corruption that has cost many citizens thousands of dollars in loses.
Nancy O.
Well folks,
The moon is full, and it appears that Dr. Frankenthune has created a monster.
You know what to do. Get the torches and pitchforks.
Hello Everyone,
Today when I linked the forum I heard music. The tune gradually faded away. It bothered me some because I knew I had heard the tune before. It hit me when I read Chucks comments.
Nancy, I seen nothing here mentioned about exhibits. You know, do you expect the judge to mosey on over to the federal court house and research the information you talk about?
I think you should mosey on over to the law books some more. Chuck is making you look silly. I'm just trying to be nice and offer some friendly advice.:)
Hello folks,
I had a great discussion with my legislator (and others) about the BILL that was introduced that deals with how we, as Citizens can discipline and remove corrupt judges.
My legislator has the evidence that is referred to in my motion for change of venue.
The "other side" (St. Paul) gets to respond to my motion...and if they object...well the "whole house" will come down on them (and I will not give them a certificate of occupancy)
...ALL the evidence from the federal case can be brought in to this state case.
I left the motion without exhibits for a reason...the evidence is PUBLIC record...in the federal RICO case(s)...I only need to give the judge "Judicial Notice of the Public Record".
So, you might say my motion to change venue is a TEST..it is BAIT.
If the City objects to the change of venue, then they risk having all the evidence (Andy Dawkins notes of meetings with Judge Mott. etc. etc.) on the STATE court record.
Oh, and according to the Minnesota Judicial Canons...if this evidence goes before a judge in Ramsey County, and the judge that hears the motion for change of venue does not report Judge Mott for his unlawful actions...the judge that hears the motion to change venue can lose HIS job.
Now, St. Paul has done such a great job in setting up the Ramsey County district court to operate just the way they planned...do you really think that they will object to the change of venue....and risk getting all of the federal evidence against Judge Mott "on the record" in the state court?
I really hope that St. Paul objects to the change of venue.
Then I can even go for discovery ...and since there are people in the Minnesota Supreme Court that are watching this case...
I'm certain I'll get my subpoenas and/or court orders to produce documents.
In fact, the "change of venue" could be more fun than the actual trial...Imagine...deposing Judge Mott...and the two other weasels (oops, I mean judges) that conspired with Dawkins to manipulate the Ramsey COunty district court.
Chuck, I am disappointed...at least in your other postings you have made an effort to at least "sound" halfway intelligent.
How is it that you have been reduced to dribble?
Nancy Lazaryan
5:03, A Democracy is the press.
Don't expect the half steppin local media to cover this.
WOW! This is getting better every day! I see Repke has twisted the topic to fit his twighlight zone way of thinking again. Must really suck to have a female standing up to you and correcting you daily.
This is something that has long been suspected in the Ramsey County Court. A fair hearing is one thing, you win some and lose some, but when one constantly sees decisions and rulings one after the other that are very much opposite the weight of evidence, and the law interperted and applied as more of a social agenda rather than the application of the law itself, you can't help but wonder what is going on. I am very happy to see this finally brought to light.
OK - again all I know is what I read here and what I know about how the real world operates. Since I know no inside information about what in the world Nancy is alledging I can only assume this is the establishment of the housing court and the members of the bench who would hear those matters. That means in Nancy's view that all of the members of the bench who are not assigned to housing court are therefore not hearing city cases at the request of the City. Get it dee dee dee dee, dum, dee, dum, dee da!
Of course then any effort to educate the members of the bench to the issues involved in such matters such as the diference between a vacant building and a nuicence property (Chapter 43 and Chapter 45) are to Nancy and the "problem landlords" an effort to corrupt the bench. Information equals corruption... da de da da, da de da da dumb....
So if you think that having members of the bench educated about the City code and what the terms mean is curruption then your in the right place.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
I am not an attorney. just an average guy. What you are saying Chuck makes sense. But why would they not want certain judges at all?
Excuse me, but the place to make your case and educate the judge is during the trial, not some backroom meeting where you can put your own spin on things and thereby create a bias in the judge before the case is even heard. What's a matter with you people, are you nuts? How would any of you like to have your case in front of this court and after it was done, find out that the other side met with the judge in private to put their spin on the finer basics or whatever of the case, and then they have your court hearing. Who want to be the first to say they would eagarly walk into the courtroom thinking they were going to get a fair trial. How about if you were the loser of that case? How about if the judge decision was contrary to the weight of evidence presented and you were the loser? If you people think this is even close to anything OK, then you are a bunch of retards!
12:15 I doubt that has occured. I think what Bob and nancy are talking about that the entire idea of having a housing court limmits the number of judges that would hear their cases (so they can't judge shop) and therefore that means that the City already did the judge shopping by vertue of getting the Bench to agree to only have a few judges handle housing cases.
For the folks who actually care, think of it like the juvenille bench or family court. They were created for the same reason, because if a judge is dealing with a murder case and then hears a case of a kid who is hanging on the street after midnight, he tends to not take it very seriously.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
12:32 as you have seen on this forum very few people understand or are exposed to the City Codes. Few of the judges live in the neighborhoods that have problem properties and have no idea about victim impact in the community.
So, I am guessing the problem landlords don't want them to get that idea at all.
JONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
This discussion would not be complete with out bring out the fake hearings conducted by Legislative Hearing Officer Marsha Moronmond. She does not have the background necessary to make her decisions. The real decisions are made in the back rooms of the inspections department.
To Nancy Lazaryan:
Keep digging, you are on the right track.
When you talk about those “seminars” with the “selected” judges, it may intetest you to know that those "seminars" were not only attended by the St Paul City Attorney's, but members of the St Paul Police Dept. as well.
Someone that cares
One person says he's just an average guy and what Chuck says makes sense to him.
I hope this person is not the example of what "average" has become for people in this state or we are in a lot of trouble.
Nancy L. You are absolutely correct. I was on the wrong side of a Ramsey Court decision. What you are saying is absolutely true. I have the paperwork to prove it.
3:09 AM, I agree 100%. When the city council told Nancy they didn't have a file or any paperwork that could help them make a determination at the public hearing for Nancy I new they already had the cat in the bag.
These dirty thoughtless people make all these decisions under a veil of secrecy amongst themselves. There is no due process fore the citizen.
Sham hearings right from the time Marcia Moermond gets it all the way to the Ramsey county court.
These people on the council, Maria Moermond and the Ramsey county judges involved in this "SKULLDUGGERY" should be put on a public spitting post and spit upon for violating civil rights.
10:00 said- These people on the council, Maria Moermond and the Ramsey county judges involved in this "SKULLDUGGERY" should be put on a public spitting post and spit upon by passer byers for violating civil rights.
Nice one 10:00, shackle and chain them to post in front of the federal court house. I usually have a thick mucus greeney on Saturday morning I'd get lots of satisfaction lobbing my share on these commys.
Hi folks, If the City of St. Paul opposes my motion to change venue, I'm going to be asking the public, through this blog, to send me their cases, in which they were in front of one of the biased judges.
It may not be the justice that you hoped for, but at least we can make a public, court record of the misdeeds of these judges.
Judges are elected officials. Public officers. And letting the Citizens know, before they vote, of the criminal activities of the public officials, is, as Martha Stewart would say, a very good thing.
Chuck, as I said, judges are elected officials. They are required to be "learned in the law"...which means no "behind closed doors" seminars to teach them something they are already required to know.
If there was concern that the judges would not understand the "new law" why didn't the Citizens hold an OPEN meeting with ALL the judges and that the Citizens, explained their law? It is the Citizens who are the sovereigns (and thereby it is the Citizen's Law).
Nancy Lazaryan
Nancy
If you are smart you would leave your email address along with your name at the end of your postings here. There will be many people who will write and tell you experiences and things to check on if they can always get your email easily. This city has thousands of victims looking for some type of justice, even if it is only helping someone else take then down and dismantle this corruption machine they have built over the years.
Hi All,
I have thought for a long time we need to form a "safety net" to protect citizens of Saint Paul from the abuses of code enforcement and this city council.
Here is a good start. We need to stay on top of what is coming across the City Councils agenda.
We need to contact the citizens who have trouble with housing issues and investigate the allegations against them.
We all know what they are looking for. "The Vulnerable"..
I feel real bad about not dong enough. I see so much is slipping through the cracks and the civil rights violations continue.
We need a committee of volunteers to observe the City Council and investigate to make sure people are being treated fairly.
I know we all have busy personal lives on top of these important issues that concern us, however, we can organize and share the responsibility to protect our fellow man.
Please contact me if you can help.
Conscience is the light of the Soul that burns within the chambers of our psychological heart. It is as real as life is. It raises the voice in protest whenever anything is thought of or done contrary to the righteousness. Conscience is a form of truth that has been transferred through our genetic stock in the form of the knowledge of our own acts and feelings as right or wrong.
A virtuous and courageous person can alone use the instrument of conscience. He or she can alone hear the inner voice of the soul clearly. In a wicked person this faculty is absent. The sensitive nature of his / her conscience has been destroyed by sin or corruption. Hence he or she is unable to discriminate right from wrong. Those who are leading organizations, business enterprises, institutions and governments should develop this virtue of the ability to use their own conscience. This wisdom of using the clean conscience will enable them to enjoy the freedom. -
Dr APJ Kalam, President of India given during the inauguration of the seminar on “THE EFFECTS OF CORRUPTION ON GOOD GOVERNANCE AND HUMAN RIGHTS
Bob, your 11:15 comment explains everything.
These people in local government have no conscience they can not see right from wrong.
A conscience is like a square peg in a square hole. When you violate your conscience, it turns and it hurts. But it also wears easily. If you violate it enough it spins freely. But you've lost an important part of yourself.
Hi All,
I moved an off topic disagreement to the A Democracy Town Hall Meetings Back Yard.
You can click above for the disagreement.
Please folks try to stay on topic. And no personal attacks on other members here.
Bob
Bob,
In looking at this thread I can not understand why we have come to this point in the first place. What is needed here is a citizen's oversight committee like the one Minneapolis and St. Paul has for their police departments, but for the code inspection department. Then the code department would have to answer to the citizen's oversight committee.
Right now there are NO checks on their authority. We have seen Steve Manger and his buddy taking items out of the garage Nancy had. That concrete mixer looked expensive. I still remember that red truck they had. I was at a recent auction where a concrete mixer just like the Nancy had sold for $1,350.00. I know because I was the high bidder.
This last winter I asked an assistant St. Paul city attorney when the housing court was in session for St. Paul and I sat in the back row of the court and watched the proceedings. What I saw was really sad. There were a high number of elderly homeowners having to attend court with very little knowledge of the court proceedings. Some came in walkers and they did not have anyone with them to help them. This was very sad to watch. Many of these cases could have been avoided if the city was working with the elderly like they do with the graffiti removal program the city council has implemented. One individual was very fortunate to have some college kids give her a hand. When she came to court with pictures of her fixed up home, she was good to go, but the inspector was surprised at the progress she had made.
If the above claim is true that Nancy Lazaryans tells about the courts and the city, then St. Paul is in more of a mess than I had thought.
Using my new concrete mixer is fun and I can sleep at night knowing I purchased it with my own money. I did not have take my concrete mixer like Mr. Manger or his buddy did at Nancy Osterman’s house. I saw Tim C.’s pictures that were posted on the web. Bob, I wish you would post these of Steve Manger, maybe you did post them and I missed them. I am not sure how Steve Manger can sleep at night knowing he has profited on the backs of others like he has for so many years.
One other thing, why did they have to tear down Nancy Osterman’s garage when they tore down the house? There was nothing wrong with her garage, as it was in very good condition until they knocked it down.
They used to have a citizen oversight committee, but it was replaced with a hearing officer. In reality, the citizen oversight committee is Steve Mangner, and whoever he answers to.
I suspect there is a rat, or several rats in the woodwork, messing everything up. These people never expect to get caught.
Nancy at 10:28 AM
I have been saying that for years, all people are more worried about today and not others or yesterday.
I see that others are calling the working's in St.Paul "Rats".
That would mean that there is more then one of them.
When I was calling them that, some of you commenter's got mad.
Why are some of you believing that you can control free speech.
No one helped me with my fight with the city, I have as much proof of misconduct of city officials as anyone.
Have a nice day and get out and vote 9-11 FOR
Dave Thune you deserve him !
Bill Dahn
www.billdahn.com
There is a citizen over sight committee its called the City Council! Every citzen has the right to have their case heard by the City Council.
They are just average citizens like you and me. They listen to the people because they are elected by the people. They are not a self appointed group of people with an agenda. They go out to the public and listen to their concerns.
Heck at least two people on this list are running for the job.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
The St Paul City Council members are a group of pompass a-holes chuck! With the exception of 2 or 3 of them, they think they are something special. If you think they are average citizens, maybe you should tell them they should act like it. By the way chuck, what planet do you live on and what color is the sky in you and dave's world?
Chuck,
I was referring to a REAL oversight committee like the civilian review board that the police department has.
Chuck, you are correct, the city council is also an oversight committee, but we all have seen how ineffective and political they are. What is needed is an unbiased civilian review committee/board similar to a jury to review complaints or abuses in the code enforcement office, not an elected body like the city council where political payback is the norm.
Oversight needs to be done at many levels of city government. The code enforcement office is just one area that needs review from a citizen's committee. Many more city departments need review.
Chuck, as I read your response, I have to ask, what are you afraid of? Are you concerned your friend Steve Manger would have some real concern about an outside review of his job performance? Chuck, review is good, it cleans up the system.
If Nancy L. is correct here or Nancy O. is correct I do not know, but there have been too many complaints just like theirs to just dismiss this as a few landlords upset. Chuck, I have seen housing court first hand as an observer and I can tell you that the system is broken. You were able to come up with the $10,000.00 to paint your house, but what about the elderly couple who can just make their monthly bills. They are threatened with fines and possible jail time if they do not get their house up to code. Many times these elderly people do not understand the court process and its implications. Chuck, did I mention our immigrant community and the difficulty they have with English or our culture compared to where they came from?
Chuck, Bob shared with us a very tragic story of a friend of his whom was hounded by a city hall insider. It seems the city code enforcement director, Andy Dawkins directed a code enforcement officer to write her up to the max. This lady had to live the end of her life with this cloud over her head. That is simply wrong Chuck. That is one indication that our system is broken Chuck.
Too many people all saying basically the same thing for it to not be true in some way, shape or form. It sounds to me like the only thing left to do is out a dollar figure on the damages, and then the real fun will begin as everyone who has ever had these kinds of things happen to them will be wanting to sue. I'll bet people will not be afraid to leave their names when that day comes!
What ever happened to the St. Paul Board of Housing Appeals?
by Paul Demko
November 12,
Soon after St. Paul Mayor Randy Kelly took office two years ago, he dismissed former City Council president Dave Thune as the city's supervisor of the housing information office. Last week Thune exacted a measure of revenge, narrowly defeating the mayor's choice for the Second Ward seat on the St. Paul City Council. Running with the support of the DFL and Progressive Minnesota, Thune eked out an 84-vote victory over Christine Nelson, who, in addition to the mayor's blessing, was backed by the St. Paul Area Chamber of Commerce.
Those votes will likely mean a lot of headaches over the next two years for Kelly. Two of the three candidates in closely contested races that he threw his weight behind were defeated last week. This means that the City Council, which has largely acquiesced to the mayor's whims over the last two years, will be primed to challenge his agenda.
The loss of the Second Ward will have the most significant repercussions for Kelly. Just how important was the race to the mayor? Members of Kelly's administration, including planning director Martha Fuller and senior policy advisor Howard Orenstein, gave money to Nelson's campaign. And in the days preceding the election, voters received a recorded phone message from Kelly urging them to support Nelson.
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There are a couple of reasons why Kelly and the Chamber of Commerce committed so much energy to the Second Ward race. Because the district includes downtown, Kelly will pretty much be forced to work with the council member representing that area on any major development deals--a contentious hallmark of his predecessor Norm Coleman's tenure. In addition, the mayor has made it clear that wooing the Minnesota Twins to St. Paul is a high priority, and both potential ballpark sites are located in the returning council member's turf. Therefore, any stadium proposal requiring St. Paul tax dollars would also necessitate the cooperation of Thune.
Unfortunately for Kelly, Thune is unlikely to play ball. During the campaign, the candidate repeatedly questioned the wisdom of spending St. Paul tax dollars to build a Twins stadium, particularly given the city's perilous financial condition. There will now be a vocal majority on the seven-member council opposed to public financing for a stadium. "Depending upon the deal that gets brought to us I would guess that it's D.O.A.," surmises Seventh Ward City Council member Kathy Lantry, an opponent of a city-subsidized stadium.
The notion that he might need to kiss and make up with Thune, who previously served on the council from 1990 to 1998, was apparently not lost on Kelly. Late on election night, the mayor's entourage paid a visit to Mancini's Char House & Lounge, where Thune's supporters were celebrating. "He came over just to shake Thune's hand," says one observer. "He knew very well what the score was."
City inspection on the bridges in ward 2.
What if the Lafayette Bridge collapsed during rush hour.
How many people will die.
12:48 AM makes some very good points. What is the city afraid of from a citizen review committee if they have nothing to hide?
1:31 AM is correct. Once this is better known, the average Joe will come forward. Too many stories of Manger and his buddies abusing their positions to ignore anymore.
6:29 AM, what does this have to do with the price of eggs? We should be concerned that a new mayor wanted his people in place instead of Norm's people. Even Chuck can't disagree with that logic. If it has to do with Thune then it is the worst thing that could have happened to St. Paul and Chuck will tell you so. You see with Thune in charge of Housing there were NO problems, life was good. After he left the sun did not shine and St. Paul was left in darkness.
6:48 AM, what does bridge inspection have to do with this thread? This thread was about Ramsey County Court Corrupted by St. Paul Officials.
Chuck, 7:52 claims there was no problems in housing when Dave over seen this issue, is this a fact?
And if so, how come Dave is letting all these mishandled cases slip through the cracks now?
12:48, from everything I have learned the police civilian review board has been corrupted also.
I'd have confidence in a civilian housing review committee only if people like myself were on it. People who can't be CORRUPTED!
Bob, 7:52 AM here,
I posted a comment on 6:29 AM comments.
No, I do not think Thune wonderful or that he had no problems when he was in charge of housing for St. Paul. I do believe Chuck thinks Thune is larger than life though.
Bob, I was just being facetious with my statement, "If it has to do with Thune then it is the worst thing that could have happened to St. Paul according to Chuck and Chuck will tell you so. You see with Thune in charge of Housing there were NO problems, life was good. After he left the sun did not shine and St. Paul was left in darkness."
Bob, just trying to interject some humor here.
A couple of points on Thune, for full discloser, I was Dave's campaign manager in 1989, and was his aide from 1/1/90 to 12/31/97 when he decided not to run for reelection. When he made his come back in 2003 I worked on his campaign and I am supporting his reelection now.
So, if you all read the above story and believe 1. That Kelly had a negetive impact on how housing was handled in Saint Paul, 2. That Thune had worked against Kelly being elected 3. That Kelly dismissed Thune from being in charge of the office that assisted home owners in trouble with their mortgages and/or in finding a place to live, 4. That when Thune ran for the council that Kelly orchestrated a $100,000 campaign (most expensive in City Council history) to keep Thune out of office 5. That from when Thune took office to Kelly left office you can't find one example of some issue that they worked together on; THEN.....
How in the heck can people be claiming that Thune is a part of the world wide conspiracy to get your problem landlords to lose their property to benifit PHA????
And why is it that some a-hole keeps making reports on his g-- d--- HOUSE!!!
I don't understand how your logic works....
Anyway, as to Bob's question, the office Thune headed no longer exists, it is now a part of PED. Thune's office was in charge of getting short term mortgage assistance to home owners in trouble and would do work outs with them on their budgets, payments, those kind of things. They also were in charge of maintaining an updated list of where emergency shelters were available to people with out housing.
When we took office in 1990 the City Council was full time and Thune got the Council to create a committee that would hear all of the cases that were on appeal from the inspectors (there was no Marsha). It was Thune that was the first to require the inspectors to bring cameras with them to show what the property looked like before an abatement and then after the abatement. The point being that the problem would be on live TV and everybody could see if the inspectors were looking at a lot of junk or if it was as minor as the home owner said. Prior to that the issue would come to a regular council meeting with the inspectors word vs the home owner and a lot of other stuff on the agenda. Thune's committee made it so the council could take some time and discuss the issue. Dino G. chaired that committee when Thune became council president.
But, then the council became part time and they no longer have those kinds of committees. So, they created the legislative hearing officer to hear those cases (Marsha) and make a report to the council on her findings.
That is how we have gotten to where we are.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
The lack of justice is only the tip of the iceberg.
It has caused a rebellion, that will only grow. With the rebellion, all things become more unmaangable. St Paul throws money at the problems which doesn't work very well. As the unmanagability grows, and St Paul becomes more of a pariah, more bad things happen, such as eroding support from the legislature.
Simple denial and alibis are a major disservice. St Paul needs to do the right and difficult things, since it is on the same coarse as the Titanic.
So Repke.....you now admit to beong part of the conspiracy huh? I knew it wouldn't be long before you fessed up. I'm going to be studying this Repke and getting back to you, but in my honest opinion Chuck, things don't look good for you. You're all washed up Repke.....finsihed as in a taperecording that's run out of tape. You hear me Repke? Done....it's all over....no more feasting at the public troff for you pal. The spigot's getting turned off and your non profit money is going to be no more. You're done Rpeke. The taxpayers are on to you know buddy.
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Chuck,
I like how you avoid the question or an answer you do not like. In talking about a citizens oversight committee for code compliance I was referring to a REAL oversight committee like the civilian review board that the police department has and NOT the city council or Dave Thune.
The city council is also an oversight committee to some degree, but we all have seen how ineffective and political they are. Should we talk about Kathy Lantry, Jay Bennenav or Lee Helgen and their abuse of office in relation to code enforcement or I should say selective code enforcement. What is needed is an UNBIASED civilian review committee/board similar to a jury to review complaints or abuses in the code enforcement office, not an elected body like the city council where political payback is the norm (Jay, Kathy and Lee).
I say Bob Johnson should be chair of this citizens oversight committee on code enforcement and compliance issues.
Chuck, the citizens are DEMANDING this oversight review committee for code compliance and code enforcement to address individuals like Steve Manger and other complaints.
UNBIASED = BOB JOHNSON
Oh sure, that makes a lot of sense. Come on folks that is what they have elections for is to make sure that the citizens are heard.
The numerous boards and committees that deal with everything from parks to zoning to planning are all committees that are apointed by the Mayor and approved by the City Council and they are all ADVISORY to the Mayor and Council. They have the power that the Mayor and council gives them.
Please start your own housing code committee where you dispell the notion that there should be fire safety, that private parties should be able to do whatever whenever they want and that the average citizen should have no one to complain to when the garbage house or vacant building brings down their property values.
Please I am begging you, do it!
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
No one is saying Chuck nor have they ever said there should not be someone to complain to or that code enforcement should stop. The main bitch is that the city not break the law, not violate people's civil rights and that code enforcement gets back to having their focus on gettiong properties fixed up and not behavior issue agendas that have been politicized by the City Council members and the racist neighbors who seem to get their attention.
On Tuesday at 11:00AM I will be before Judge Joanne Smith with a Notice of Removal of Judge Smith for bias and/or mental disablility.
I will give my actual motion to Bob, and he can post it, if he would like.
There are "additional" pressures that I (and others) are putting on the corrupt judicial system....and as these "appear", I will let the Citizens know.
If ANYONE is a member of the Ramsey County grand jury, or knows a member of the Ramsey County grand jury...please contact me.
We have been attempting to bring evidence before the grand jury, but Chief Judge Greg Johnson has blocked us from getting the evidence to the grand jury.
My legislator even called and asked for the name of the grand jury foreperson (whose name is supposed to be PUBLIC)...even my legislature was denied.
We will be doing a series of TV programs, to be broadcast on channel 11 (9? 4? 5?)....just trying to work out the best deal to buy the TV time.
If anyone would like to help out, drop me an email at nancylazaryan@gmail.com
Nancy Lazaryan
Chuck said- Please start your own housing code committee where you dispel the notion that there should be fire safety, that private parties should be able to do whatever whenever they want and that the average citizen should have no one to complain to when the garbage house or vacant building brings down their property values.
Bob said-
Chuck I have never ever said I wanted to do away with code enforcement. PLEASE SHOW THE READERS HERE MY STATEMENT SAYING AS MUCH.. You can't it didn't happen.
My only concern is the under handed way this city violates citizens civil rights.
Let's get down to truth about housing code committees. The average citizen does not have the deep knowledge in law, realty, or construction processes and trades to make intelligent decisions. They would make many misteaks.
Some deep knowledge exists within code enforcement. However, it is subject to biases and politiks. Many within code enforcement do not have the deep knowledge of big issues or sensitivity.
We need a volunteer committee of good people who have the appropriate knowledges. It needs to be administered responsibly from the top also.
People in code enfrocement do not need deep knowledge or sensitivity because they just walk around like robots at the direction of the city council members.
There once was a inspector
Who gave St.Paul pain
He threw them in jail
He censored their mail
All for his personal gain
The ruler of all
Magner was his name
His thoughts were only
on tearing down homes
So he worked night and day
And never did play
Til the end
then he will pay!
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