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Hi All,
The yard is a filthy mess.
I suppose this home owner is part of the chosen few who get a wink and a nod with the blind eye.
Hey, this is funny Bob!
Is this for real? You didn't set this up for effect did you?
Bob,
Hey 1:21 PM that is a property Dave Thune is in charge of.
That is Dave Thune's dad's place. Dave is taking care of his dad. Bob, when was this picture taken?
Shocking is if I say so myself. How can Dave take care of their father in this manner?
How can Dave sit in judgement of others when his place is in such a mess? You would think Dave would have wised up after last year when the city wrote up several properties Dave ownes.
Dave Home:
XX IRVINE PARK -- Property Information --
List of Activity...
Number Address Description Details Status
07 065587 EXT 00 CS XX IRVINE PARK
Siding rotten and bad Complaint Date: 04/23/2007
Initial Inspection: 04/26/2007
Next Inspection on or after: 09/06/2007
Inspector: 325
Inspection Results (most recent first):
08/06/2007: Maintenance - Exterior (Recheck)
04/26/2007: Maintenance - Exterior (Orders)
Under Review
06 116978 REM 00 B XX IRVINE PARK
08/01/2007: Automatically closed by system due to NO activity in one year.
Building Permit
Type: 2-Family/Duplex Remodel
Issued Date: 07/31/2006
Final Date: 08/01/2007
Contractor: David P Thune
State Valuation: $650.00
Activity (most recent first):
HPC Staff Review: 07/31/2006: Approved
Architectural (R) Review: 07/31/2006: Preliminary Plan Check
07/31/2006: Approved
Expired
04 141275 RPR 00 B XX IRVINE PARK
19-Sep-2006: Folder closed by system due to NO activity in one year 3/7/06 T. Riddering.
Completion deadline extended to 7/1/06. Building Permit
Type: Single Family Dwelling Repair
Issued Date: 09/02/2004
Final Date: 09/19/2006
Contractor: David P Thune
State Valuation: $10,000.00
Activity (most recent first):
Building Permit Inspection:
General - Clsd
Preliminary Inspection - Appd
Preliminary Inspection - Ordr
HPC Staff Review: 09/02/2004: Approved w/Conditions
Architectural (R) Review: 09/02/2004: Preliminary Plan Check
09/02/2004: Approved Closed
Source: City of St. Paul
Where are the Joesph McCarthys of the world when you need them?
It's NOT Daves dads house. PERIOD!
The Red Star that you have there is a sign of support for the Red Star mothers who have lost service members in Iraq. The gentleman who lives in the house keeps updated the number of our men and women who have died on the back of his van.
If that is a "communist" you are a sad, sad man Bob.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Another Dave Thune property:
XXX 7TH ST W -- Property Information --
Pin Number Zoning/Use HPC District
B2 / R-Single Family Dwelling
List of Activity...
Number Address Description Details Status
07 084533 000 00 RF XXX 7TH ST W
Follow up on C of O folder approved with corrections. Referral
Type: C of O
Entered on: 05/24/2007 In Process
07 084532 000 00 CO XXX 7TH ST W
Certificate of Occupancy
Type: Mixed (Res+Comm)
Occupancy Type: Mercantile Sales
Residential Units: 4
Renewal Due Date: May 25, 2009
Pending
06 047787 CSO 00 RF XXX 7TH ST W
Falling mortor and curling cedar shakes are unsafe. Mortor nearly hit pedestrian and in jumping away from that bumped against cedar. Referral
Type: Citizen Complaint
Entered on: 02/28/2006
Closed on: 07/31/2006 Closed
06 047784 000 00 RF XXX 7TH ST W
GOT HIT ON THE HEAD WITH MORTAR AND GARBAGE IN BACK OF PROPERTY INCLUDING AN OLD STOVE. COMPLAINANT WANTS TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS Referral
Type: Citizen Complaint
Entered on: 02/28/2006 Closed
06 046207 CSO 00 RF XXX 7TH ST W
mortar & brick falling, building materials but no permits visible, unfinished roof & unpainted wood, no trim on front door, siding falling off front & stove outside Referral
Type: Citizen Complaint
Entered on: 02/23/2006
Closed on: 04/27/2006 Closed
04 196331 000 00 CO XXX 7TH ST W
Certificate of Occupancy
Type: Mixed (Res+Comm)
Occupancy Type: Mercantile Sales
Residential Units: 4
Renewal Due Date: Nov 20, 2006
Inspection Results (most recent first):
05/24/2007: Approved w/Corrections
1. PICTURE FRAME SHOP: Discontinue Use of Extension Cords MSFC 605.5 (Deficiency - 1st inspection) - Severity 2
2. PICTURE FRAME SHOP: Fire Extinguisher Service MSFC 901.6 (Deficiency - 1st inspection) - Severity 4
3. Required Smoke Detector Affidavit SPLC 39.02(c) (Abated - 1st inspection) - Severity 9
4. Residential Occupancy Affidavit (Abated - 1st inspection) - Severity 9
5. Heating Equipment Maintenance SPLC 34.11 (6), 34.34 (Deficiency - 1st inspection) - Severity 5
Billing
03 402766 CSO 00 RF XXX 7TH ST W 4 unit,
unit #4 Skylite leaks,broken skylite boarded up,roof used to leak and now there is mold in the ceiling,mushrooms on the carpet Referral
Type: Citizen Complaint
Entered on: 11/24/2003
Closed on: 12/26/2003 Closed
03 382710 000 00 RF XXX 7TH ST W
Brewery Cafe 945 W. 7th Street Restaurant (A) Note: Possible change of occupancy or use. Assign to James Thomas Referral
Type: License Inspection
Entered on: 10/27/2003 Closed
03 369926 REM 00 B XXX 7TH ST W
Building Permit
Type: Commercial Remodel
Issued Date: 10/06/2003
Final Date: 12/23/2003
Contractor: Paul Skrbec
State Valuation: $2,500.00
Activity (most recent first):
Final Inspection: 12/23/2003: Final
Preliminary Inspection: 12/03/2003: Approved
Architectural (C) Review: 10/06/2003: Preliminary Plan Check
10/06/2003: Approved
Finaled
03 359087 PLR 00 RS XXX 7TH ST W
Restaurant Inspection
XX 7TH ST W - MAD HATTER'S TEA HOUSE
Type: Low Risk
Work Type: Plan Review Inspection
Entered on: 09/30/2003
Closed on: 01/08/2004 History
03 250487 PLR 00 RS XXX 7TH ST W
Restaurant Inspection
XXX 7TH ST W - MAD HATTER'S TEA HOUSE
Type: Low Risk
Work Type: Plan Review Inspection
Entered on: 01/21/2003
Closed on: 10/03/2003 History
03 247776 RTN 00 RS XXX 7TH ST W
RESTAURANT C. OPEN WED THRU SAT.
Restaurant Inspection
XXX 7TH ST W - MAD HATTER'S TEA HOUSE
Type: Low Risk
Work Type: Routine Inspection
Entered on: 01/06/2003
Closed on: 02/10/2003 History
03 018573 RTN 00 RS XXX 7TH ST W
Restaurant Inspection
XXX 7TH ST W - MAD HATTER'S TEA HOUSE
Type: Low Risk
Work Type: Routine Inspection
Entered on: 01/02/2003
Closed on: 01/18/2003 History
02 139702 NEW 00 B XXX 7TH ST W 19-Sep-2006:
Folder closed by system due to no activity in one year Folder Re-Opened per attempt made by Thomas Riddering Building Permit
Type: Accessory Structure New
Issued Date: 07/18/2002
Final Date: 09/19/2006
Contractor: David Thune
State Valuation: $13,600.00
Activity (most recent first):
Building Permit Inspection:
General - Clsd
Final Inspection - NoAct
Final Inspection - Appd
Final Inspection - NoAct
Architectural (R) Review: 07/18/2002: Preliminary Plan Check
07/18/2002: Approved
Closed
01 228952 000 00 CO XXX 7TH ST W
Certificate of Occupancy
Type: Mixed (Res+Comm)
Occupancy Type: Mercantile Sales
Residential Units: 4
Renewal Due Date: Aug 23, 2004
Inspection Results (most recent first):
11/19/2004: Approved
1. Required Smoke Detector Affidavit SPLC 39.02(c) (Abated - 1st inspection) - Severity 9
Certified
01 020564 000 00 CO XXX 7TH ST W
Certificate of Occupancy
Type: Mixed (Res+Comm)
Occupancy Type: Mercantile Sales
Residential Units: 4
Renewal Due Date: Mar 25, 2001
Inspection Results (most recent first):
10/11/2001: Approved
1. ALL AREAS: Fire Extinguisher Service MSFC 901.6 (Abated - 3rd reinspection) - Severity 4
2. ALL AREAS: Fire Extinguisher Location MSFC 906.1, MN Stat. 299F.361 (Abated - 3rd reinspection) - Severity 6
3. BACK CONSTRUTION EXIT: Unsafe Interior Stairway SPLC 34.10 (3), 34.33 (Abated - 3rd reinspection) - Severity 7
4. BACK STEPS ART SHOP: No Interior Handrail SPLC 34.10 (3), 34.33(2) (Abated - 3rd reinspection) - Severity 5
5. BASEMENT OUTLETS: Missing Elect.Cover Plate MSFC 605.6 (Abated - 3rd reinspection) - Severity 2
6. UNIT #3: Discontinue Use of Extension Cords MSFC 605.5 (Abated - 3rd reinspection) - Severity 2
7. UNITS #2 : Provide GFCI SPLC 34.14 (2) c (Abated - 3rd reinspection) - Severity 5
8. UNITS#2 : Unit Smoke Detector Required MN Stat. 299F.362 (Abated - 3rd reinspection) - Severity 9
9. UPPER BACK RAIL: Ext. Guardrail SPLC 34.09 (2) 34.32 (2) (Abated - 3rd reinspection) - Severity 5
10. Required Smoke Detector Affidavit SPLC 39.02(c) (Abated - 3rd reinspection) - Severity 9
09/24/2001: No Entry (fee)
08/22/2001: Correction Orders
Source: City of St. Paul
That is a GOLD Star for families with solders in Iraq, not Red star. That was Russia.
I see this is Dave's property and not his dad's. What a shame to let such a nice house go to waste.
I bet $10.00, Chuck and his crew will be out at Dave's house tonight, cutting the grass Dave was supposed to be cutting all along.
Nice anti war sign in the top window.
Hey Bob, That is Dave Thune's house.
Look at what I found from the City of St. Paul.
XXX COLBORNE ST
Property Information
List of Activity...
Number Address Description Details Status
07 019793 000 00 TH 327 COLBORNE ST
Truth In Sale of Housing Inspection (Most Recent)
Type: Single Family Dwelling
Report Date: Jan 19, 2007
Owner: David P Thune/Susan M Thune
Evaluator: Brice Staeheli American Central Inspections
Smoke Detector Hardwire: Y
Source: City of St. Paul
Bob,
Don'y cut this one, address number has been deleted.
SORRY
XXX COLBORNE ST
Property Information
List of Activity...
Number Address Description Details Status
07 019793 000 00 TH XXX COLBORNE ST
Truth In Sale of Housing Inspection (Most Recent)
Type: Single Family Dwelling
Report Date: Jan 19, 2007
Owner: David P Thune/Susan M Thune
Evaluator: Brice Staeheli American Central Inspections
Smoke Detector Hardwire: Y
Source: City of St. Paul
The red star is also the symbol for Red Star Yeast, so by your logic, Thune is a baker.
Did you see any black helicopters flying around the house?
Seriously, stop drinking the water at Bill Dahn's house.
Can you at least be clear Bob that the property in the photo isn't Thune's? And I hate "wild flower gardens" and "native praries," but then I am not in charge of the universe...
How many times are we going to go over the fact that you and/or your friends watch Thune's properties and call them in; and the City writes him up; and they make him do work just like every other citizen?
Now we are going to do a campaign of writing up his lawn sign locations?
And you don't see how sick this is?
You don't see what cheap bullying behavior this is?
The home in this photo didn't do anything to you. This guy just agreed to take a lawn sign. But, we are such bullies that we have to try and publicly embarass someone whose only crime is to agree to take a lawn sign.
Talk about you Nazi tactics.
Write all the shit you want about Thune, send the inspectors after him as much as you want. He ran for public office, he's a big boy he can take it. Give me your worst I don't care, but this shit is beneath what I would expect out of the scum that are involved in the law suits.
To go after someone for the crime of taking a lawn sign.
Absolutely discusting.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Repke: Now we are going to do a campaign of writing up his lawn sign locations?
Me: Isn't focusing on Unique residents the way things are done in St. Paul? I mean the city has held tenants and landlords to a higher standard for years.
Repke: Talk about you Nazi tactics.
Me: I agree. Too bad the city doesn't treat all housing equally. We all ought to be discusted at the lack of maintenance this house has -- not the method of how it was identified. I doubt any operating rental properties looks this bad (some of the boarded/vacant ones might).
Just me.
Chuck,
For as close of friend of Dave as you claim to be you sure do not know what you are talking about. In fact you are not telling the good people on this forum the truth at all here about this house and your veracity is really coming into question.
The house Bob posted a picture of one of David Thune’s other properties.
Please go to:
http://rrinfo.co.ramsey.mn.us/public/characteristic/TaxValueStmt.asp?pin=122823210083
*Note: Highlight the whole http line to bring this up.
Chuck, this is a copy of the property tax statement for this house with David Thune's name on it. Are you telling this forum that this is all a plan by the Ramsey County Assessors office to make Dave look bad? It is my understanding that Dave's father once owned this property, but Dave is now the absentee landlord. Since it was built in 1890, how about a code compliance on it to bring it up to code compliance standards of today. I had to, why is Dave exempt from this regulation. Is this home on the vacant house list if it is vacant and why not? I did not see the address listed, care to explain? This house should be torn down.
Is the fire department and code compliance office (DSI) going to give Dave Thune a break like they have done in the past? Before you answer this Chuck, it is no secret down at city hall that Dave gets more slack than anyone and his properties have been in disrepair for a very long time. Chuck do you want me to really spill the beans on Dave?
By the looks of it, Dave really has been an absentee landlord. Look at the size of those weeds and brush growing where there was once grass. That is not one weeks worth of growth to mow. You almost not see Dave’s campaign sign. Why would he place his campaign sign in front of such a dump?
Chuck, you really amaze me at your defense of Dave. Here Dave is caught with his pants down and you still try and justify the obvious. Chuck you have lost all credibility with you response to this picture of Dave Thune’s house. Chuck I am very disappointed in you, I thought you were better than this. Your behavior today on this thread in defense of Dave Thune is absolutely discusting in your own words.
I read this blog rgularily and I live on the block this house is on.
THIS IS NOT THE HOUSE DAVE'S DAD LIVED IN.
Don't believe it, drive over and look at the house on Colborne. One Dave's house, the front proch is bigger and the door faces our atreet, not the side yard.
Sorry........You are wrong.
Hi All,
I attended the federal RICO court hearings today, more on that tomorrow. And after that I had several meetings to attend so I wasnt aware what was transpiring here at the blog.
THIS IS NOT DAVE'S HOUSE!
It is a democrat who supports Dave. He or she, has a filthy yard and a house with a large communist symbol on it.
Many citizens in this city feel the Democrats in leadership here are communist with the way they use code enforcement to violate citizens rights, and to further decay trust in our government and fix the courts.
The home has a fitting symbol on it as a supporter of this administration.
If I was a dead soldier or his family, I don't think I'd want my name tarnished with symbols of communism.
Folks, I deleted personal private information on the following comment.
Ummm. This house is well known on the West side. The address is ** ****** and has an EXCELLENT view of the Mississippi river and downtown St. Paul. According to the tax records (it is public information), the owner is ***** *****. City pages had an interesting article about Mr. Berquist and his unique van: **********deleted**********
I don't think this has anything to do with Thune.
7:48 PM
Hey Repke,
Isn't it the city who finds out who owns rental property and where the protected class live to target for code infractions? I don't like Thune and other council members so I like your idea of targeting properties with lawn signs. Because when you get down to it, it is a behavioral problem to support Dave Thune!!
Anybody hear anything about the sanction hearing today?
I heard there were a lot of concerned citzens at the hearing today to support the plaintiffs and from the sounds of things the judge was also sounding supportive of the plaintiffs.
Dave, I am sorry about the mixup.
I see you were not involved in all of this except for your campaign sign was placed in front of this person's house.
Chuck, I also owe you an apology about the house being Dave's. As hard as it is to say this, you were correct. You are still incorrect about the red star being for families in the war. Gold is their color as it should be.
I am no longer going to post at this blog. As another poster says, I am through.
Dave, I am sorry again. A good lesson was learned here.
Have fun you all.
RICO UPDATE-
Here is a little tease.. The federal magistrate, isn't to happy with the City of Saint Paul.
I will do a story within a day or so on the hearing.
We have plenty of time no hurry.:-)
9:14, everyone makes mistakes..The important thing is you apologized.
Get over it.
"We are on a truth seeking mission here"!
Chuck does your buddy know what happened to the city today in court? I was there too. All I can say is, WOW.
Lets See What Thune is hiding?
I would like someone go get a list of all of Dave Thune's assets he had to declare. at the Office of Ramsey County Campaign. , His assets fact's sheet or Minnesota State Campaign Finance Office.
All candidates are required to list all real estate, buildings, land, stocks and bounds and so on.
Vote for Bill Dahn "Ward 2"
Wonder why Chuck is so quiet? Bob I can't wait for the update on the sanction hearing. From the sounds of it and Chuck being so quiet they must have got spanked!!A couple of friends and I are all waiting to hear. Can't wait till morning I'm sure you'll give us something good Bob.
2:09 said-
That is a GOLD Star for families with solders in Iraq, not Red star. That was Russia.
2:09, Chuck and his friends like RED STARS.. COMMY STARS!
Mr. Johnson, do you know anything about gardening? This is a beautiful garden in front of this home.
This family has no clue of the implications of a red star. Good intentions here and you weave straw into gold over this.
Shame on you. Chucks right you are a bully.
Amanda, how in the world do you know this man wasn't aware of the stigma that is attached to a red star? Are you friends with this guy?
And if this is what you call gardening, lady, you should see my watermelons. I'm a gardener!
Wild flower garden? Ya sure, it is a sorry excuse so they don't have to take care of their lawn. It looks like crap!
As for being a BULLY Amanda. Citizens of this city have been intimidated, and bullied by code enforcement for years. I don't like seeing vulnerable people taken advantage of. I get especially upset when I see civil rights intentionally being violated by officials of this city.
It bothers me to know people have been made homeless by this rogue code enforcement agency. It pains my heart to know marriages have dissolved and are in turmoil over financial burdens this city has put on families in destroying their livelihoods and housing.
My conscience will not allow me to turn my back on the transgressions of this city on it's citizens. You call me a bully. Others feel vastly different in assessing my character.
Interesting how Amanda calls people a "Bully" over a stupid "Red Star" and also calls everyone a slumlord who owns property, but she remains silent about a completely out of control city that violates people's civil rights, criminalizes and prosecutes people falsley, throws women, kids and the elderly into the streets even in the cold of winter, and then lies and destroys evidence to cover it up. I doesn't take a genious to figure out what political affiliation this little hottie is!
If its a younger person that lives there, the Red Star is associated with the band Rage Against the Machine. If its and older person of Eastern European heritage, one of the Serbians pride and joy is their Red Star Football (Soccer to you and me)teams.
Commies haven't been a threat since- well, the Cuban Missiles Crisis. Today the biggest nation on Earth (China) is ran by Communists and they just happen to be our biggest trade partner (fast tracked by GW Bush), they also have most of our debt. Let's hope they don't call in the receipts on us. They are as and more abusive to their people than any Middle East dictator has been. Yet, we try to defeat them with economics, not military actions.
You choose to ridicule one private citizen (who's not even a member of this forum) for your own pleasure then have the nerve to tell Bill Dahn to try and find a better way to communicate.
New title= "Proof Hypocrites Support Bob Johnson and A-Democracy."
(By the way if you want to see what Democrats yards look like, take a trip down Summit or through Crocus Hill or Mac-Groveland or by the river. Many of those beautiful homes are also owned by Democrats)
Eric M.
Figures:
(By the way if you want to see what Democrats yards look like, take a trip down Summit or through Crocus Hill or Mac-Groveland or by the river. Many of those beautiful homes are also owned by Democrats)
More rich people telling us what to do, great just great! What did Chuck say about those rich Republicans? Here Eric M. states that the rich are Democrats living on Summit and Crocus Hill. The myth has been broken. The rich are really Democrats who steal from the middle class with their progressive taxes to give to the poor. While the Rich Democrats earn their money off the backs of us hard working Republicans.
This place is full of 'tards.
Look at th qualifier 'ALSO' in that sentence. It indicates that not only do Democrats live in places with bad yards but ALSO in places with damn good yards. I know not all of those people are Democrats because the voter files and NCEC records show different.
Hard to have a forum when some refuse to comprehend English.
Eric M.
NOTHING changes the fact ERIC, your democrat friends are COMMIES.
They support a housing code enforcement policy that illegally searchs homes and uses backdoor methods of violating civil rights just to relieve people of their property. The elderly and the vulunerable are the victims of this city.
I will remind you ERIC the Germans went after the Jews housing before they ever ended up in gas chambers.
And one more thing Eric. This isn't a young kids home. It isn't a ruusian socker player. IT IS A MEMBER of the democrat indoctrination pool of Saint Paul Issues and Forums. A commy with a symbol of his beliefs on the house.
A supporter of Dave Thune and the democrat party. Your parties closet symbol.
My Democratic friends are all Americans part of the oldest continuing political party in the world. They are not Communists.
Get your story straight.
Are you equating Democrats with Communists or Nazis?
Serbs are not Russians. That alone would get you beat down over there. They hate the Russians.
I support Dave Thune. He's got a record of good public service and there is zero evidence of him personally gaining or benefiting from any legislation he's carried. Untouchable.
I don't know the party affiliation of the people enforcing the codes. Whatever it is, it appears that the majority of St Paul votes with them and will again in the Fall.
You seem to be the one out of touch.
You better stick with your RICO Conspiracies pal, you're in way over your head starting a political debate with me and there ain't enough years left in your life for you to catch up to me.
Eric M.
Eric do you deny code enforcement illegally searched homes? They DO!
Eric do you deny it is your democrat friends who are responsible for violating due process of hundreds of citizens over housing issues in this city?
They have!
Your commie friends have fixed the courts.
Eric,you do not care that there is gentrification of your people in this city. And when you speak of the people who voted these commies into office you speak of less than 10% of the population of the city.
The masses are to busy with there lives to pay attention to what you commies are doing and you people take advantage of this ignorance. All awhile a complicit local media sits by holding their red stars in their pockets.
Eric you and Chuck should have your stars displayed on your forehead.
Eric,
So I touched a nerve did I about rich Democrats?
So you say it is hard to have a forum when some refuse to comprehend English. You are now feeling what we had to go through when we used to participate on SPIF.
Bob, do you have a name of the commie from SPIF/DFL whose house this is?
Interesting fact here Eric. Back after the Civil War, when the Democrats were instituting the Black Codes to keep the black man down, it was the Republicans who fought for the black man to be free. These Republicans were called the Radical Republicans.
Eric, I have been to many Democratic meetings and I can tell you that if I did not know any better I would have thought I was in China, Cuba or Russia. Eric I have many good friends who are lifelong Democrats who are very concerned at the progressive left that has taken over the party.
By posting this picture, Bob was only stating a fact.
5:44 PM
WELL SAID!
Hi All,
Someone wanted to know who's house this is. PLEASE, do not post that information anyone.
Right now we are discussing a communist symbol on a house and the FACT a democrat owns it and they support Dave Thune.
I do not want some reader named Bubba with a 3rd. grade education, a pick-up truck and a gun rack in the back window out looking for the house with a red star on it.
Eric said-
You choose to ridicule one private citizen (who's not even a member of this forum) for your own pleasure then have the nerve to tell Bill Dahn to try and find a better way to communicate.
New title= "Proof Hypocrites Support Bob Johnson and A-Democracy."
Eric, A Democracy is the only place we can get news that is not printed any place else in the city.
Also, I think the post is not only humorous it is thought provoking!
Thank you for the humour Bob.. I really didn't think Chuck, Eric or any democrat would like this when I read it. SO WHAT, I bet they laugh at Big MOUTH Al Frankens lying humour.
*I bet the homeowner likes Red Star yeast. That's it I bet huh?
*Maybe he's giving his favorite soccer team recognition. Gotta be this right? NO I don't think so..
*Or maybe they like a commie rock band.
*Or, OR... they believe in the communist party!
Eric, you know Bill is a pest. I'm sure you appreciate him screwing up important dialog exposing corruption here. Heaven knows you wouldn't want the world to know what dirty scoundrels democrats are here.
7:45 PM
I have to buy you a beer.
A summit no less.
You are right on the money.
FUD
I think we are off track with the commie discussion. The red star can mean many things.
I know this house, it has been in disrepair for years. How can it continue while rental housing like 14 E. Jessimine -- which appears in better condition -- is bulldozed?
It is this (appearance of) unfair play and now vocal support of a local politician that is so frustrating. One cannot wonder if inspections are targeted against those disliked by St. Paul power brokers. How else does one explain that code enforcement ignores a supporter of the power structure while everyone else is aggressively regulated and penalized?
So... why is this owner allowed to be such a nuisance?
There once was a inspector
Who gave St.Paul pain
He threw them in jail
He censored their mail
All for his personal gain
The ruler of all
Magner was his name
His thoughts were only
on tearing down homes
So he worked night and day
And never did play
Til the end
then he will pay!
This would be a great case study on the code enforcement in St. Paul.
It would be fun to follow this house through the code enforcement process, from the first complaint to completion of code compliance or demolition.
We could all see just how the system works or doesn't work.
Why the Pioneer Press could do a special feature on this house and the code enforcement office, DSI.
I think we should appoint Steve Manger as the code enforcement officer for this house. He is well versed in the city code as he sees it.
Dave Thune could even add this house to the city council agenda for demolition.
FUD
Just so you know Eric, those "rico conspiracies" are on the verge of cleaning out the city treasury and doubling your property taxes to boot! I can't wait to see your reaction in the end when people like you are ordered to pay for the party you think has been so good.
Well you are in luck FUD because the landlords in the lawsuit did just what you are sugggesting. When Mayor Kelly was running for election, they went around to the houses that Kelly signs in the yard, and they photographed the code vioaltions.
It may interest Eric Mitchell to know that many many of those vioaltions were in Highland Park and Mac-Groveland.
They then called in complaints on those houses and followed the complaint process on line until the complaint was closed out.....usually within a week with no action taken.
They then went back and photographed the houses again with the violations remaining and the file closed.
I know this because I know one of the landlords involved. This certainly sounds like preferential treatment to me. In fact it sounds like the kind of preferential treatment that Eric and Chuck think does not exsit in the city.
9:21 PM
I would like to talk to you and personally shake the hand of this industrious individual.
FUD
Look at Minneapolis, is St.paul any different
Monday, July 30, 2007
Erase All Doubts, Release Zimmermann Tapes
Star Tribune LTE:
Nearly a year ago, former Minneapolis Councilmember Dean Zimmermann was convicted on three counts of bribery. To this day, many of Zimmermann's supporters claim he is innocent, even though audio and videotapes presented at the trial clearly showed him soliciting and accepting large amounts of cash.
The U.S. Department of Justice did not release those tapes to the media at the conclusion of the trial. The tapes were shown in open court and are part of the public record. Similar FBI tapes showing public officials accepting bribes have been released to the media.
Zimmermann's supporters have said that then-U.S. Attorney Tom Heffelfinger, Assistant U.S. Attorney John Docherty, the FBI, the judge and jury were part of a conspiracy to "frame" Zimmermann. Some supporters have even conjured a conspiracy that involved Zimmermann's opponent in the last election and even DFL Party officials.
Recent allegations that other federal investigations and prosecutions may have been politically motivated lend credence to those claims. Those allegations have eroded public confidence in the fairness and impartiality of the U.S. Department of Justice.
I believe allowing citizens to view the evidence that convicted Zimmermann would help restore some of that lost confidence. The anniversary of Zimmermann's conviction would be an opportune moment for the government to release those tapes.
KEN AVIDOR, MINNEAPOLIS
Well Ken A., the problem here in Saint Paul is there is hundreds of people with the same stories of civil rights violations and we can't get an investigation. The only trust lost here is in our local government.
I think that the city of St. Paul should use its political clout to hire the BTK Killer, who was a code compliance inspector.
He could be assigned to this house as a work release, and also serve as a role model for the city's inspectors. This is exactly what the city council is trying to accopmlish.
Most city council is not going to exist after the fall elections. They are going to get a "Randy Kelly" at the polls. The minority that does manage to stay in office will not have the influence they have now. Then the RICO trials will start and.........
Kinda looks like nothing happened at the sanctions did it Bobby Boy? Hey Repke since Bobs side won't say anything did you hear anything from the council?
Of course nothing happened. If it had, they would be squealing like pigs about it. Sometimes the silence says so much!
Hi All,
The City got their clock cleaned! I promise to have something up by tomorrow or very late tonight.
I would also be interested in wether Chuck has heard anything. If it was anything good for the landlords, I don't think they would be sitting on it for this long, they are too starved for attention.
I don't know anything about the suits other than what I read here. It is interesting at City Hall anyone I ask about it pretty much dismisses it. There realy seems to be little concern.
In one of the other threads here I explained that the issue that was before the judge was what emails were and weren't available to the plaintiffs. It sounds like the City had made over a million emails available to the plaintiffs but they weren't able to retreave all of the emails from all of the people at all of the times that the plaintiffs wanted retreaved.
So, we shall see what this judge says.
Someone the other day said a judge in another jurisdiction ruled that the government doesn't have to keep emails more than 90 days. So, it will be interesting.
The plaintiffs are asking for every email sent or received by the City of Saint Paul for the last Eight years.
The City appears to have has some dificulty getting their computers to pull out in usable form millions of emails and has ended up with gaps.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck it is obvious you are being informed. The only representive of the city at the hearing was SEEBA.
The magistrate scolded her for the destruction of evidence. I was there.
For the last 8 years????????????
That would be "Zillions" knowing how many emails come in every day to just one department.
8 years????
LOL
I was watching Discovery Channel "Dog Fights" this eveing.
They had a Japanese Zero on the program. Big RED stars on it.
This yard- If I let my yard go like that my neighbors would shit!
BRIBES FROM DEVELOPERS
How Much Is Bridges Paying The City Council?
.Did you hear the one about the Green Party pol who was convicted of bribery?
But Seriously, Folks
Volume 27 - Issue 1341 - News of CITY PAGES
Green Dean Zimmermann faces the media after being convicted of bribery
Image by Paul Demko
by Paul Demko
August 16, 2006
Perhaps Dean Zimmermann should consider a career in standup comedy.
The former Minneapolis City Council member put on a pretty good show prior to the announcement of the verdict in his trial on federal corruption charges last week. He lamented that his attempt to connect with jurors by pointing out that he'd played high school football for the same North Dakota team that later fielded Minnesota Vikings tight end Jimmy Kleinsasser had fallen flat. He queried reporters as to whether anyone was taking bets on the outcome of the trial. The Green Party activist even theorized that he had to drink water out of an environmentally unfriendly Styrofoam cup throughout the trial out of fear that he might attack the prosecutor with anything more potentially lethal.
But the verdict that was announced just moments later was no laughing matter. A 12-member jury found Zimmermann guilty on three counts of bribery. He faces a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine on each count—although the actual sentence will likely be considerably less severe. (The former City Council member was acquitted on a fourth charge—that he illegally solicited a retaining wall from a nonprofit developer.)
The case against the frumpy, bicycle-riding politician, who was narrowly voted out of office last November after being indicted, was quite simple. The U.S. Attorney's office alleged that he took $7,200 in bribes from developer Gary Carlson in return for help on zoning issues. Undoubtedly the most damning evidence was a videotape that showed Zimmermann nonchalantly shoving $5,000 of FBI-supplied dough into his pocket while he and Carlson dined on chicken wings and rum and cokes at an Ecuadorian restaurant on the West Bank.
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If you believe the government, Zimmermann utilized his Sixth Ward City Council post to prey on developers for his personal enrichment, demanding bribes in return for his support of projects. "The defendant has sold his office," prosecutor John Docherty told the jury in his closing argument.
If you believe Zimmermann, he was brought down by a massive conspiracy orchestrated by a government that feels threatened by his uncompromising radical beliefs. "I'm not the first activist that this government or any government has come after," Zimmermann told reporters after the verdict, invoking the names of Nelson Mandela, Leonard Peltier, and Martin Luther King Jr. "I don't think it's any accident that they singled me out as someone they wanted to shut up."
The truth undoubtedly lies somewhere in between and is a great deal more mundane. What the trial revealed was a politician whose chaotic personal finances compromised his ability to fulfill the duties of his job and left him vulnerable to enticements of cash. Zimmermann testified that by the end of last year he had accumulated roughly $35,000 in credit card debt—equal to more than half his City Council salary—and routinely shuffled these bills around to competing finance companies. He may not have consciously attempted to solicit a bribe, but when the money fell into his lap he apparently was more than happy to utilize it for personal ends.
It may even be true, as Zimmermann insisted throughout, that all of the money would have eventually been deposited in the appropriate bank accounts. But even if that's the case, he's still guilty of utilizing accounting practices that wouldn't be acceptable for a church bake sale, let alone a City Council campaign. Whatever one makes of Zimmermann's politics, Minneapolis taxpayers should be relieved that he's no longer minding the city till.
That said, there may be something to the notion that Zimmermann was set up. Not so much by the government, as he would grandly like to believe, but by Carlson. As the story unfolded at trial, the developer seemingly went about his self-appointed task of luring Zimmermann into the scheme with all the ardor of a late-night TV diet guru, practically begging the City Council member to accept his money. "If Dean was a corrupt official who was out looking for bribes," Zimmermann's attorney, Dan Scott, wondered during his closing argument, "then why was it always Carlson who was the aggressor?" Aside from that, Carlson's braggadocio over purportedly raising $28,000 for Republican U.S. Sen. Norm Coleman was sufficient to cast Zimmermann in a sympathetic light.
Zimmermann also makes a valid point in arguing that he wasn't truly tried by a jury of his peers. Because the case was brought in federal court, the jury was tapped from throughout the state. "There was nobody on there from Minneapolis," Zimmermann noted after the verdict. "No person of color. Most of the people in my ward are people of color."
But in the end, it comes down to this: Zimmermann took the money. He accepted $7,200 in illegal, campaign-related contributions from a developer and spent the money like it had been dispensed from an ATM machine.
Jenny Heiser seemed to take the jury's verdict considerably harder than her husband. She largely declined to speak with reporters afterward, saying simply that Zimmermann remained her "hero." But riding the elevator down from the 13th floor of the federal courthouse across the street from Minneapolis City Hall, she blamed his actions on the rigors of holding public office and simultaneously running a campaign. "He was not himself that whole summer," Heiser noted. "He was exhausted. He was running on three or four hours of sleep a night. Chronic sleep deprivation."
Zimmermann will undoubtedly have plenty of time to sleep in prison. It's not clear if he will appeal his conviction, but the veteran Green Party activist already seemed resigned to his fate. "Life goes on," he mused moments after the verdict was read, wearing the same tattered tweed jacket and baggy black pants that he'd sported throughout the two-week trial. "I guess I'll go home and finish my jigsaw puzzle."
Let's see who the real anti-Americans are.
What's defines us? The Constitution. What defines it?
The Preamble: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
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To form a more perfect Union. - The Libertarians hate that line. Why? Because it clearly establishes that the limited Federal government we had and strong individual state rights governing us was a failure. This line 'commies' us up.
The failures of the Libertarian viewpoint are addressed further in the purpose "establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty". Common defense everyone agrees with but, promoting everyones general welfare (well-being) and insuring tranquility is a killer.
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Why I think Democratic legislation reflects the above better than Republicans.
(Taken straight from policies of today)
1. Dems passed lobbying reform which helps put the people's interest (promote general welfare) back in control over the moneyed interest. Republicans, did nothing but open the doors to lobbyists until they were not only involved in crafting legislation but sat on Presidential advisory boards that should have been regulating the industries they were from.
Republicans get caught in scandals and some go to jail for corruption- they blame the media.
2. Dems passed pay as you go so that we don't grow the deficit for our grandchildren and republicans refused it for six years. Republicans overspent our budget and the next one after being handed a surplus.
3. Republicans supported reduced civil liberties under the Patriot Act, Eavesdropping scandal and Dems fought to retain civil liberties while proposing security measures (for our ports, chemical plants, water supply, and Emergency Personnel Communications). Yes, if your neighbor accuses you of being a supporter of of terrorist org you can be arrested and locked up without trail, jury or hearing. Anyone today can still be held without being explained why indefinitely.
4. Dems froze the Congressional pay raises until they passed a minimum wage increase- and support for small businesses who may be hurt by the increase. Republicans rejected raising the min wage for years but, voted for increase after increase in their own pay.
5. Dems voted to allow Medicare to negotiate lower prescription drug prices for seniors. Republicans enacted a prescription drug plan that confused seniors and cost taxpayers more.
6. Dems voted to cut student loans for college down under 5%, Republicans were maintaining the status quo of double digits in some cases.
7. Dems begin rolling back subsidies to Oil Companies (who posted the all-time profits in 2006) and use some of that money to invest in alternative energy development and Republicans let the oil companies craft legislation that benifitted only the Oil companies.
I gotta go to a meeting. I'll finish this later but coming in my next post I'll walk through the Bill of Rights of the Constitution and remind people the freedoms of association (like if one is willing to be a communist party member), religion, speech (like displaying a red star or Buck Fush t-shirt, or a picture of an aborted fetus on a billboard)and the right one has to face their accusers in court and present their case. Then we'll look at what party seems to be embracing our BofR and which party is scarring the shit out of people and allowing themselves to give up rights for some weak promise of safety.
Last two things:
1.I would have been a Republican for the most part(FDR may have won me over in the 30s) up until the 1950's when they took on Civil Rights as a platform. Most of the vocal racists and Southern Dems left the party for the Republicans.
2. If these cases were really about civil rights and discrimination, you would have gotten DeptJustice involved and let them take over. Of course if they do that (providing there is a basis) you guys only get justice in the since that policies and practices will change but, you will see no money. We all know that that won't be enough.
This is about the money and its a farce and insult to pose it as a anti-minority civil rights case. You don't Justice looking into this because the condition of some of these- SOME, of these units are deplorable and should be condemned.
Eric M.
Hi Eric,
WOW, your fingers must be tired. My eyes are tired reading just reading your post.
Please explain how your post is related at all to the topic thread, "Proof Communist Support Councilman Dave Thune."
Eric, I can find lots of things Democrats and Republicans have done wrong in the past, but as I talk to my fellow Republicans here we find your post interesting at best, but how is it related to the topic thread. This was a Commie supporting Dave Thune.
Interesting fact here Eric, after the Civil War, when the Democrats were instituting the Black Codes to keep the black man down, it was the Republicans who fought for the black man to be free. These Republicans were called the Radical Republicans. This was the first REAL civil rights test for America and most of these courageous Radical Republicans lost their office due to their support of civil rights for the African Americans. I believe the Radical Republicans were right for working to free the African Americans and the Democrats were wrong for trying to keep a policy of enslaving the African American population after the Civil War.
FYI
Possible session agenda so far (sorry off topic here):
- A dedicated account to finance bridge inspections, repairs, improvements and replacements
- Inclusion of a trunk highway bonding plan to accelerate priority road projects around the state
- Dedication of the current sales tax on leased vehicles to roads and transit
- A bonding bill that focuses mainly on road and bridge projects
- Statutory changes allowing greater authority for highway and freeway lane additions funded through tolls
- Expedited authority to cut through red tape relating to road and bridge inspection and improvement
Also the Governor has made it clear to legislative leaders that he would like to see this gas tax increase as only temporary and offset by an income tax cut.
Just a Radical Republican vegetating down at in the Capitol wondering how the special session will go.
You didn't read my entire post 11:21, because I stated that I would have been a Republican up until FDR but, no later than the 50s.
Republicans you speak of in the mid and late 1800s did NOT fight for equality, but for the abolition of slavery. The same black codes and Jim Crow norms were accepted and legislatively protected by Republicans along side Democrats. It was a deal made during Reconstruction. Yes we had a 14th Amendment but, enforcing it was a different story and no party stepped up to do that until almost 100 years later and that's when the Democrats adopted a Civil Rights platform and begin using the federal government to enforce the laws.
Communism thrived under a state sanctioned propaganda machine that labeled anyone presenting a different front a threat. You ever hear anyone dismiss anything by saying 'liberal media'? Same thing. Discredit them and you don't have to worry about people believing them. How the high number of Americans that think Iraq and Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11? They didn't draw that conclusion themselves. (For you republicans out there, Iraq and SH had nothing to do with 9/11 but, our Saudi 'friends' have their fingerprints and people all over it)
Religion was also a trait of Communism- or lack of and suppression of religion. In the last six months alone, we got three Republican Congressmen commenting negatively on Keith Ellison being a follower of Islam. Only a short search you'll see all kinds of religious intolerance going on by those who profess to be conservative. Even Catholics aren't spared from this.
Scarring the shit out citizens so that you can control their constitutional given rights is another trait of the oppressive Soviet regime. Now, who brings up 9/11 and Al Queida in order to allow them to pass laws and do things to protect us- Republicans. Yet, the Al Quieda threat is back and stronger than before. We know this to be true in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and several nations in Africa but, where are we? Iraq.
And finally, the policies of Communism bankrupted the Soviets. Who presented the country with a surplus? Clinton. Who spent it up and sold much of debt to the Communist Chinese? Republicans.
Is that a little more clear for you on who is more like communists?
Eric M.
And, in a one party winnable town, the Democrat versus Republican thing doesn't work. Everybody runs as a Democrat and many are as different as a conservative republican and progressive democrat.
Debbie Montgomery, Dan Bostrom and Lee Helgen are all Democrats that very on the political scale, yet, all are being challenged by other Democrats( Melvin Carter III, David Haas and Pakou Hang respectively) who very in other ways on the political scale.
You and the rest of A-Democracy puts all of them in the same neat little box when some of the policy differences and road to politics are as different as night and day.
If enough voters thought Republican policies were good for the city, they would vote for at least one or two. The Democrats don't control that thought process. You guys need to look inside see why you don't appeal to urban dwellers, minorities and seniors for the most part. Of course you can say we're all stupid and duped into voting for Democrats. That probably makes you feel better.
Eric M.
Eric,
You stated, "Who presented the country with a surplus? Clinton."
When Bill Clinton took office he benefited from the economic policies set forth by George H. W. Bush (41). Bill Clinton had some very poor economic policies if I do say so myself.
When Tim Plawenty took office, he was faced with a shortfall of over $1.2 billion dollars. Is that Tim's fault, no it was Ventura's fault. I will not go into the light rail (the DFL's Peoples Train) stuff when we are talking about commies and the DFL party.
Say Eric, since you are so well versed, Please explain how much the Indian tribes give to the DFL party to ensure their right to this. It would be nice to have a casino at the Mall of America for school and road funding. It sure would be nice to use this Minnesota Lottery money for roads and bridges as well. We should do what Wisconsin does with their lottery money, property tax relief and schools funding. They do things differently in Wisconsin and South Dakota; maybe they are onto something.
Oh I had a great idea, how about a wheel tax, NOT.
Oh what was the topic again, commies and Dave Thune that’s right.
Just a Radical Republican vegetating down at in the Capitol, trying to let the people keep their money for a change. Fighting the DFL who thought the $1.2 Billion dollar surplus was not enough to spend and they wanted to tax our citizens more due to their mad spending spree.
Very interesting forum.
Eric and an anonymous poster make some really good points. Thank you for taking the time to be so informative.
I'd like to comment on this topic myself I just don't have time. I will be back.
Thank you for leaving a link at twincities.com Mr. Johnson. I am sure others will find this forum just as interesting as I have.
Good day everyone!
Tom G. Saint Paul
Hi All,
I find this thread interesting myself.
I don't think the thread tracked off topic much, and besides the content is informative. Thank you Eric and the anonymous poster.
Something the city council should consider is banning these wild flower gardens, or having them meet certain requirements.
Some wild flower gardens are gorgeous and others like the example here look like weeds because they don't use the right mixture of flowering plants that bloom at different times of the summer. The gardens get over grown with weeds because the owner doesn't take care of them.
I was told a permit was required to have this type of landscape. How does a permit define the scheme of such wild flower gardens or is there requirements at all?
I have seen many of these around the city some look nice and it is obvious the home owner put a lot of effort into them. Then there is examples like this house were the home owner didn't plan for a consistent flowering scheme throughout the summer, and the weeding has been neglected.
I find it very disturbing that homes are allowed to look like this and other homes with just 8 inches of grass are subject to enforcement. Who thought this up?
1:25
You're not too bad, not too bad at all.
You'll have to be more specific that Clinton's Economic policy was bad. What in particular was bad? Why is it that all of the good things under Clinton were because of Bush and Reagan and the bad things under Bush are because of Clinton. Any of the good things that happened that can't be given to Bush or Reagan are said to be because of the Republican Congress under Clinton. Well, under BushII, we are less safe, more in depth and the most divided this country has been in a long time. I guess since we also had a Republican Congress, its all of Clinton's fault back in 90s.
BTW Stop vegetating at work. If you're at the Capitol, you're on my dime. get your ass in gear!
Here's sme points for you to address directly:
1. The light rail was mostly federal money. The North Star line has a lot of state money but, it has the support of all of those North suburban and central Minnesota republicans, chambers and county boards. Clearly the people want this choo-choo.
2. Indian Treaties are the Law of the Land. They have that Right under certain treaties to do as they want on their property. You don't like it? Check with the Constitution and change Art VI. Article Six establishes the Constitution, and the laws and treaties of the United States made in accordance with it, to be the supreme law of the land, and that "the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, any thing in the laws or constitutions of any state notwithstanding." It also validates national debt created under the Articles of Confederation and requires that all legislators, federal officers, and judges take oaths or affirmations to "support" the Constitution. This means that the states' constitutions and laws should not conflict with the laws of the federal constitution—and that in case of a conflict, state judges are legally bound to honor the federal laws and constitution over those of any state. Article Six also states that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States".
2a. Many DFLers did support a casino down here in the Twin Cities. I know that Keith Ellison and others worked with the Red Lake and White Earth tribe to establish a joint casino down this way.
2b. A little history on the Lottery- in short there is already an amount dedicated to the programs you'd like to see BUT, the Republican zeal for tax cuts has put a lot more into the General Fund (because someone has to pay you to vegetate) and less in the Trust Fund:
* November 1988: Fifty-seven percent of Minnesota voters approve a constitutional amendment to authorize a state lottery.
* May 1989: The Minnesota Legislature passes legislation to start a lottery and splits the proceeds evenly between the Environment and Natural Resources Trust Fund and the Greater Minnesota Corporation (GMC).
* April 17, 1990: Minnesota State Lottery starts selling instant tickets.
* May 1990: The Legislature changes the way Lottery proceeds are distributed: 40 % for the trust fund, 35 % for the Infrastructure Development Fund and 25 % for the GMC.
* Aug. 13, 1990: The Lottery reaches $100 million in sales, distributing about half in prizes.
* November 1990: With 75 % of the vote, Minnesotans dedicate 40 % of Lottery proceeds to the trust fund until 2001.
* June 1991: The Legislature changes how Lottery proceeds are divided up: 40 % for the trust fund and 60 % for the state General Fund.
* June 18, 1993: The Lottery reaches $1 billion in total sales.
* July 1, 1995: The Lottery board is abolished by the state Legislature.
* May 6, 1996: The Lottery surpasses $2 billion in total sales.
* June 30, 1996: The Lottery celebrates the end of its sixth fiscal year with record sales of $375.6 million.
* June 30, 1998: The state Legislature increases the retailer commission from 5 % to 5.5 % and adds a 1 % bonus for cashing tickets.
* March 11, 2002: Over $1 billion for the state of Minnesota has been generated by the Minnesota State Lottery.
* July 17, 2004: The Lottery announces a record contribution of $100 million to the State of Minnesota during fiscal year 2004.
(note that only from 1988 to 1990 was there a DFL Governor to sign all of this. Its been Republican politicians robbing peter to pay saul with DFL compliance).
3. There was a budget surplus when Pawlenty walked into office. Even after we got our Jesse checks AND the GOP tax cuts, there was money there. The republicans short changed government and then cried about it. Pawlenty's no new taxes has been a great way to raise fees (which affect the working class and poor much more), and ignore some basic maintenance around the state. Oh yeah, it really hurt our cities, suburbs and small rural towns across the state under his LGA cuts. Social program dollars for education, trainings and rehabilitation were almost cut to the bone and beyond- yet we build more jails.
Its after 5 and I'm sure you've gone home now and won't be able to respond until you come to work tomorrow. I'll be waiting.
Eric M.
Eric,
Eric, you are ok as well. At least you do your homework, but today you are going to have to stay after school and finish your homework.
Eric you stated, “There was a budget surplus when Pawlenty walked into office. Even after we got our Jesse checks AND the GOP tax cuts, there was money there.”
This Radical Republican disagrees.
Tim Pawlenty was first elected governor in 2002, with the state facing a $4.5 billion budget deficit—the largest in state history. Just months after Pawlenty took office, the legislature adopted his plan to eliminate the deficit without raising taxes. In 2005, Governor Pawlenty balanced the state budget again without raising taxes. At the end of 2006, it was announced that under Pawlenty’s leadership, Minnesota’s $4.5 billion deficit had been transformed into a $2.2 billion surplus.
Source – State on Minnesota, Biography on Governor Tim Pawlenty
Eric this was also this was reported in all major newspapers in Minnesota including the St. Paul Pioneer Press and Minneapolis Star Tribune.
Indian contributions to the DFL Party in Minnesota:
Let’s take one year (2004) because they are all very similar, Minnesota tribes contributed $356,520 to Democrats in state races, and only $11,000 to Republicans.
Source - Minnesota Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board
Eric here is some additional “History” on gaming in Minnesota complements of the Minnesota House. I have enclosed the web address at the bottom of the section.
How is Indian gaming authorized nationally?
Nationally, Indian gambling is authorized by the federal Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (IGRA) of 1988.
IGRA generally allows Indian tribes in any state to conduct on Indian land those types of gambling that the state allows for non-Indians. Instead of being bound by state law in these operations, Indian gambling is subject to either federally approved tribal ordinances or negotiated tribal-state compacts, depending on the types of gambling involved.
The 1988 federal law was not a radical change in policy but rather an attempt to regularize and codify a series of federal court decisions in the 1970s and 1980s that recognized the rights of Indian tribes to conduct gambling free of state regulation.
Where can Indian gaming be conducted?
Under the federal law gambling can be conducted on "Indian land." Federal law defines "Indian land" as land that is either:
-part of a federally recognized Indian reservation, or
-off a reservation but held in trust for an Indian tribe by the federal government, or under the jurisdiction of an Indian governing body.
As this definition points out, it is not necessary for land to be actually part of a reservation for gambling to be conducted on it. In theory, an Indian tribe could buy land anywhere in a state and operate a casino on it, by having it declared Indian trust land by the U.S. Secretary of the Interior. However, such a designation of Indian trust land for gambling purposes also requires the concurrence of the governor of the state. This latter requirement has been a significant factor in limiting the growth of off-reservation Indian gambling.
What types of gambling on Indian land does federal law regulate?
Federal law regulates two distinct types of gambling on Indian land. Under IGRA there are two major kinds of gambling, each with its own regulatory mechanism. (IGRA also recognizes a third form of Indian gaming, class I (meaning traditional tribal ceremonial games) but exempts it from both federal and state jurisdiction.)
Class II gambling consists of bingo, keno, pull-tabs, punchboards, and nonbanking card games (games where players play against each other rather than against the house). Class II gambling is governed by a tribal ordinance that must meet federal guidelines and be approved by the National Indian Gaming Commission.
Class III gambling consists of common casino games such as roulette, craps, chemin de fer, baccarat, and banking card games such as blackjack. The term also includes all mechanical or electronic gambling machines such as slot machines and video poker devices. Class III gambling is conducted under a compact that each tribe negotiates with the government of the state in which it is located. Compacts can specify which party has civil and criminal jurisdiction over gambling enforcement. The compacts can apply those state laws to class III gambling that each party believes necessary for regulation.
An Indian tribe does not have complete authority to conduct any type of gambling it wishes. The state must already permit a type of gambling for any non-Indian before it can be conducted on Indian land. The non-Indian gambling need not be commercial or profit-making; gambling by nonprofit organizations for charitable purposes, or even private social betting, can provide a basis for Indians to claim the right to conduct comparable forms of gambling.
What are states' rights to regulate Indian gaming?
States have limited rights to regulate or prohibit Indian gambling. A state cannot prohibit Indian gambling if it is a type of gambling that the state allows for non-Indians. The states' right to control Indian gambling is sharply limited under federal law.
The states have no role in regulating bingo and other class II games. If a state allows blackjack, slot machines, and other class III games for non-Indians, the state cannot refuse to negotiate a compact with an Indian tribe that requests it. Under the federal law, a state's refusal to negotiate gives the tribe the right to go to federal court to seek a court order requiring further negotiations. If further negotiations still fail to result in a compact each side must submit a proposal to a court-appointed mediator who selects the proposal that is the more consistent with the federal law.
A state that objects to the mediator's decision may appeal to the Secretary of the Interior. At that point the secretary prescribes the compact, taking into consideration the mediator's decision, state law, and federal law. Thus a state's refusal to negotiate in good faith does not prevent a compact from being written, but can result in the state's being eliminated from the process of writing the compact.
A 1998 U.S. Supreme Court decision (Seminole Tribe of Florida v. Florida, 517 U.S. 44) ruled that IGRA's provision that allows tribes to sue states in federal court for failure to negotiate in good faith was unconstitutional. The court cited the 11th amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which restricts lawsuits against states in federal courts.
Who can negotiate gaming compacts with Indian tribes?
Minnesota law allows the governor to negotiate gaming compacts with tribes. In 1989, the legislature gave the governor specific authority to negotiate compacts with Minnesota's Indian tribes for class III gambling (Minn. Stat., sec. 3.9221). Governors Perpich and Carlson both used this authority to appoint negotiating teams to work out compacts with Minnesota's 11 Indian tribes. The governors signed these compacts over a 31-month period from March 1990 to September 1992.
Do Minnesota's tribal state compacts allow other types of gambling?
Minnesota's tribal-state compacts allow blackjack and slot machines. There are a total of 22 tribal-state compacts, with each of the 11 tribes signing identical compacts for two distinct types of class II gaming, video games of chance, and blackjack.
The compacts provide for inspection and approval of machines by the state Public Safety Department, licensing of casino employees, standards for employees (no prior felony convictions, etc.), and regulation of the play of blackjack. Machines that depend to some extent on player skill, such as video poker, are required to pay out between 83 percent and 98 percent of total wagers. For nonskill video games the payout range is 80 percent to 95 percent.
The compacts require the casinos to enforce a minimum age of 18 to participate in casino gambling.
The blackjack compact provides that if off-track betting on horse racing is ever permitted in Minnesota there could be one Indian off-track betting establishment for each non-Indian establishment in the state.
The blackjack compacts were made possible by a federal court ruling that held that the state's legalization of "private social bets" on card games was a sufficient basis for allowing these games to be conducted without state-imposed betting limits at tribal casinos. However, in the compacts the tribes gave up their right to seek compacts for other kinds of gambling based on the "private social bet" exemption. Any future legalization of gambling by the legislature for anything other than private social bets, whether for commercial, governmental, or charitable purposes, would allow the tribes to seek compacts to allow that type of gambling at tribal casinos.
How long are these compacts in effect?
These compacts are in effect until renegotiation. Both types of compacts (video games and blackjack) provide that they remain in effect until the two parties renegotiate them. Either party can request a renegotiation at any time. Neither party can unilaterally terminate a compact.
What is the total volume of gambling at Indian casinos?
The annual volume of gambling at Minnesota's casinos were estimated in a September 2004 report from the Minnesota State Lottery as being "in excess of $10 billion." This would put the gross revenues from those casinos at a minimum of $1 billion. These estimates have been disputed by Indian by Indian gaming leaders, but more accurate figures are unavailable because they are not publicly disclosed by the tribes.
Source: State of Minnesota http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/issinfo/gambind.htm
So Eric, I will get back to my big fat cigar that a fellow Democrat gave me and I will pour some brandy and put in an old episode of 24. I just love watching Jack Bauer save the day.
Just a Radical Republican vegetating at home enjoying life’s simple pleasures.
Thanks for the info on gaming.
I can speak for me and say that gaming has brought in huge resources for the bands and Tribes that have gone a long way to educate, house and train their members. They even have some of the best social service programs for addiction funded by their proceeds.
Knowing how little opportunity there was before this money, I am less than supportive of any idea that will dilute these proceeds.
Gambling was not seen as the way for our state until we saw Indians making money off of it. Pawlenty tried to push for the Racino to balance the budget. This idea was strongly opposed by Indians, some DFLers and some social conservatives who objected to an expansion of gambling on the grounds of immorality, and by others fearful of the social costs of gambling addiction. The idea was not defeated by the DFLers alone but a coalition across the spectrum.
Now you are correct about the shortfall when Pawlenty took office but you kind skip a lot of stuff with the info you give us from the very unbiased Pawlenty bio.
Students' share of the cost of tuition increased by double-digit percentages in 2003 and the years following.
He reduced the rate of funding increases for state services, including funding for transportation, and cuts in areas such as local government aid (LGA).
The reduction in state governmental aid to cities pressured many cities to increase local property taxes in addition to the expected reductions in local services. So, we ended up paying more taxes anyway. but, he got his political just dues.
Good to see your kicking up dust at home too. I've seen every episode of 24, which season are you watching? It phony but entertaining.
Eric M.
I wanted to comment on the bribery conviction of Zimmermann,at this time Minneapolis Council Member's are pushing the Twins stadium that will bring out about the pollution from the garbage burner.
Why do these council members worry more about the money factor, instead of the health of the Twins fans?
when the heat raise and the city has a Public attention alert for the people with chronic respiratory problems that are going to be outside for more then a certain time, what do the fans and the ball players do then?
People with asthma know what I am talking about.
The heat factor down in that hole where the new ball park will be built, as a parking lot those cars must have gotten mighty hot.
But as long as the MPLS. Council Members get there kick backs from the developers, peoples health means nothing.
Remember the Bridges Development in St.Paul West Side Flats, Don Luna is "President" of WSCO aka West Side Citizens Organization witch votes on this matter.
Luna was part of city management for years,
so some of these council members have a insider do their campaigning for this big DFL Union workers that will vote for the DFL backed Dave Thune.
Now is Dave Thune and Dean Zimmermann
different in anyway?
Apparently Just the name are different, the goal is the same.
Help those, who will help YOU.
The people of the flats that were told to sell their property to the City of St.Paul after the 1965 flood, were told that no one would ever live in those area again because of it being a flood plain.
Why are they building a flood wall at the airport, incase of a flood the might back up in these new development areas.
The bottom line is "Development".
Vote For Bill Dahn Ward 2
Are we back to this again? I got excited to see there is a new post and when I get there it's just this babbling fool. Please Bob?
5:19 - thank you, thank you very much...
On the SPIF list I get attacked by the lefties and not be liberal enough - thanks for the support
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Hi All,
I know Chuck gives many of us hell here. Look beyond the issues who wouldn't want a guy like Chuck for a friend?
He is loyal, courageous and dogmatic in defending his beliefs and friends.
I really appreciate Chucks contributions here, even though I don't agree with him most of the time.
Thanks for being a Trooper Chuck!
Does Thune ever represent his constituents?
5:19 PM here,
Chuck, you are welcome.
Anything else I can do for you?
Chuck some of your old friends from Humboldt High are going to start posting at Ademocracy.
They said what a "guy" you thought you were.
They would like to pick on you.
If they were friends of mine from Humboldt then they have to be "old." I'll watch for them...
Chuck
Nope, that's a Christmas decoration -- Proof Christians Support Thune!!!
4:35 sounds like Repke to me!!!
Thune
You said to park how many motor cycles in one parking spot?
You know that would cost the insurance companies more in claims.
if one bike fell, they all tumble.
You as a bike owner would not like your bike scratched.
The law would have to give ticket out for illegal parking on side walks, or on the grass.
Wake up you smoke free idiot, you caused bars to go out of business.
Then the city paid for a few smoking patio's, that is not legal unless the city pays for all bars to have patio's.
Then Thune would like to have city funding pay for upkeep of historical homes, that would mean Thune's ragged old house with rotten wood gets paid for.
If something doesn't benefit Thune and his friends, Thune doesn't care for it.
Get to know your city council, Google Search them and see what you find out.
7:02 there are other Cities that have created smaller motorcycle parking spaces. The bikes wheel in towards the curb. The potential exist to be able to chain to the meter. Its a smart move and will create addition parking spaces and be safer for the bikes.
Name me a bar that closed in Saint Paul because of the smoking ban.
I did one of the deals with a bar that used sales tax monies to assist in doing a patio. You tell any bar that wants to do it to call me.
Thune has never proposed that all historic houses be paid for with City money.
What are you smoking???
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck,
Honkey Mikes by the SPPD headquarters.
Smoking Ban killed this one.
Talk to Tim Nelson about this as he reported it in City Hall Scoop.
Hmmm... Honky Mike's the best place to buy stolen goods in the State of Minnesota started to lose customers when a gigantic new police station and county jail facility was built a block away.
Sounds like it was the smoking ban that killed that one... sure, if you say so.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
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