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The Outlaws say being banned from a bar in Hudson, Wis., was a violation of their rights. City officials see it differently.
By Kevin Giles, Star Tribune
Last update: July 20, 2007 – 9:47 PM
HUDSON, WIS. - Imagine the shock when three Outlaws Motorcycle Club members, wearing their gang "colors," walked into the middle of a Hudson City Council meeting packed with residents debating a sewer project.
And imagine the surprise when their leader, who identified himself to Mayor Jack Breault only as Jimmy, stood to complain that the city violated the Outlaws' constitutional rights by banning them from Dibbo's, a bar on Hudson's downtown thoroughfare.
"We didn't come into town to hurt anybody," the tall Outlaw said of a supposed hostile takeover of the bar in April by 40 or so club members. "We came into town to have some fun."
Hudson officials see it differently when it comes to the Outlaws, considered among the nation's largest motorcycle gangs.
A city agreement with the owners of Dibbo's -- aimed at pushing "a criminal enterprise" out of town -- has led to claims of discrimination and questions about First Amendment rights. The agreement states: If the bar serves Outlaws wearing colors, or allows any meetings or parties for private motorcycle groups, it will lose its liquor license.
"I think it's just outright discrimination," said Dave Anderson, a Hudson resident and treasurer of the 1,100-member St. Croix Valley Riders, which convened monthly at Dibbo's, when not touring America's highways on weekends. "I just think that this is kind of a blanket band-aid ... to keep motorcyclists out of Dibbo's. They're discriminating against all organizations and clubs for something that happened one night."
Motorcycle groups have a point, said Chris Ahmuty, executive director of American Civil Liberties Union of Wisconsin. Rights to assembly and speech might be at issue given the city's role in targeting a class of people for its dress, he said Friday.
The city could be justified, he said, if it had "a rational basis" for doing so, such as responding to a pattern of crimes. "Absent that, if people don't like the way they look, if some people in the community are scared, some don't like the loud noise, that's not a rational basis. It just can't be on the basis that we don't like people who wear black leather jackets or ride Harleys. ..."Whenever there's a presence, there's a concern," said City Attorney Catherine Munkittrick, who added that she knows of no similar arrangements with other Hudson bars. "We just want to make sure there's no illegal activity in Hudson." Munkittrick said she knows of no similar arrangements with other Hudson bars.
Munkittrick said she's unaware of any charges filed against Outlaws in Hudson. District Attorney Eric Johnson said none have been filed in St. Croix County.
At Dibbo's front door, a handwritten sign reads, "No club colors allowed." Dibbo's general manager, Chuck McGee, embraces the pact with the city.
"We don't need that rowdy kind of atmosphere," he said. "This is not a motorcycle club. We don't let anyone take us over and make us their hangout. We're a family business. It's been that way for 50 years."
The agreement between the bar and the city recounts the events in Dibbo's on April 14, when Outlaws wearing their "colors" kicked out patrons and refused to let anybody in, including police at first. Several Outlaws went to nearby Dick's Bar, where they got into a fight, "then fled back to Dibbo's, where they were hidden and protected by other members of the club," the agreement states. McGee told police that "he had lost control of the bar" to the Outlaws and was "not able to regain control."
Other downtown business owners told police since that incident that Outlaws had tried to intimidate them, and late in May two ranking club members came to Dibbo's to ask about using the bar as a club "meeting place." McGee said the men identified themselves only as "Lefty" and "Skinner."
The agreement also declares: "The presence of this motorcycle club at Dibbo's constitutes a threat to the Hudson downtown area and to public safety in the city of Hudson."
McGee acknowledged confusion about what the new policy covers as far as what clothing is prohibited. "My take on it is, leather vests with patches all over and large emblems," he said.
McGee and owner Bertha Fenner signed the pact, which requires Dibbo's management and employees to notify police if they hear anything about the Outlaws or their affiliates and to install security cameras.
The agreement prohibits Bertha Fenner's daughter, Vicki Fenner Wilcoxson, from working on the premises. McGee said she had invited the Outlaws to Dibbo's in April, unaware of the club's reputation. Wilcoxson has been the subject of several incident reports involving disturbances at the club in recent months, police said.
The purpose was to help Dibbo's "run in a manner so it wouldn't be a disorderly house," she said. "In this instance, the clientele were causing problems; so that's why the terms of the agreement related to that."
Ahmuty said that bar and restaurant owners set their own dress codes without infringing on individual rights but that a city's involvement is a different matter. He said Hudson should be targeting crime, rather than banning innocent people.
"It's not a crime to dress in a particular way or be part of a club," he said.
Anderson, of the St. Croix Valley Riders, said the city's decision hurts his group, a motorcycle rights organization of law-abiding people who live and work in the area.
"We're your weekend warriors. We don't wear colors."
Kevin Giles • 612-673-7707 • kgiles@startribune.com
"We retain the right to refuse service to anyone*" - We've all seen that sign in businesses, why can't Dibbo's have that right.
*except as protected by the constitution and laws of Los Ustados Unidos
Thune the show off and his
mini bike, go live in Hudson WI.
They need someone like you to run there town.
It's interesting that they mention if there is a pattern of crime, then these actions may be OK. If there is a "pattern of crime," why not respond to it with a law enforcement remedy instead of these chickenshit "make someone lese responsible" mentality? I jst love these so called "Leaders." They are about as gutless as the cops are.
12:50 AM
Stop saying Dave is one gutless leader.
Hang out with him, you will see how "arrogant" he is.
Most people feel that from him.
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