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Hi All,
Lately there has been some controversy over Digidios "Hot Dago" sandwich. Well here we have a popular downtown store with a racial epithet in it's name.
The word "heimie" is a offensive Jewish epithet.
Something old, something new
Just when downtown retail seems old-fashioned, Heimie's Haberdashery is increasing sales and space. And it's doing it the old-fashioned way: with classic clothing and personal service.
BY GITA SITARAMIAH
Pioneer Press
Article Last Updated: 06/28/2007 12:26:43 AM CDT
Anthony Andler, owner of Heimie's Haberdashery, is moving his menswear store next month to a larger, neighboring space in downtown's Hamm Building. Andler attributes the shop's success to its personal touch. (RICHARD MARSHALL, Pioneer Press)
View a photo gallery from the haberdashery At Heimie's Haberdashery, a rite of passage unfolded on a recent weekday afternoon.
A scrawny teenage boy laughed nervously as he stood with arms spread wide and boxer shorts peeking over low-rise pants while a tape measure encircled his waist. All the while, he and his mother were lectured on how pants should fit.
"No matter how low they want them to go," an employee explained as he worked the measuring tape, "we don't go that low."
Owner Anthony Andler credits this personal touch and the store's classic menswear and array of services for his move next month into a much larger neighboring space in the Hamm Building, at St. Peter and Sixth streets.
In an era when retail success stories are rare in downtown St. Paul, Heimie's is an exception.
Heimie's is reopening July 9 in the 4,500-square-foot space that housed what once was another downtown retail success story. Bockstruck, the 123-year-old upscale jeweler, blamed its demise last year on increased competition, the economy and substantial costs of moving into the Hamm Building eight years earlier. Bockstruck's other locations also had closed.
Downtown St. Paul's civic boosters have watched much of the once-bustling retail traffic migrate to the suburbs, as it has in many cities. Most of the downtown shopping areas in Town Square, the former World Trade Center and Galtier Plaza have been converted into office space.
That makes the success of Heimie's all the more notable.
Sales have doubled since Heimie's opened its 1,600-square-foot storefront a few years ago, Andler says, though he won't disclose numbers.
How does the men's shop do it?
The store's classic niche, tuxedo rentals, fedoras, alterations, wet shaves, premium cigars and history in downtown draw repeat customers, he said.
Heimie's sells moderately priced, traditional menswear from small lines not found at department stores. It offers something for everyone, and the price range is designed the same way. The largest chunk of sales - about 40 percent - is suits in the $500 to $900 range. Fully tailored suits start at $325 and run to $2,200 for custom fittedversions. Even women have come in for custom-made pieces.
Another key to increasing sales, Andler said, is listening to his customers. He unveiled Heimie's as a suit shop but now offers more casual clothing.
"If you keep hearing: 'I wish you had chinos. I wish you had chinos. I wish you had chinos,' " he said, "then you buy chinos."
Eugene Monna is among those who've been won over. Retired from West Publishing, Monna is choosy about his slacks, sporty shirts and jackets. He also occasionally shops in Macy's men's department.
Andler, who doesn't advertise, considers Macy's both a competitor and an ally. He sometimes refers shoppers to Macy's and experiences the same courtesy in return.
Monna not only recommends Heimie's but also thinks a visit should be mandatory for all men downtown.
"Men dress so terribly nowadays in downtown St. Paul. It's just pathetic," Monna said. "It's a disgrace to see these guys. They all look crummy, and that's too good of an adjective."
Stepping inside the cramped store is a return to a time when wearing jeans on casual Fridays was unimaginable. Heimie's is furnished with antique walnut cases and brass hardware. Merchandise is displayed vertically on the 30-foot-high walls, with a rolling ladder to retrieve items. A couple of employees sport curled mustaches, including "Mustache Jim," who gives men wet shaves and haircuts at a station in back. A tailor is squeezed into a tiny space up a narrow staircase.
The store is named after Andler's great-grandfather. The original Heimie's operated for 75 years downtown until Andler's grandfather closed it in 1993 when he retired. Andler worked there. He later ventured into downtown St. Paul retail with Artist Mercantile before selling that business in 2002 to launch Heimie's once again.
The larger location will feature a three-station barbershop, a bigger shoe department, more display space for sportswear, more space for alterations and shoe-shining services. Landmark Jewelers, which is in the Bockstruck location, will take over the current Heimie's space.
Andler says Heimie's has an edge because classic clothing is always in style: "In order to survive in business nowadays, you have to have a niche."
Gita Sitaramiah can be reached at gsitaramiah@pioneerpress.com or 651-228-5472
From the article: "The store is named after Andler's great-grandfather. The original Heimie's operated for 75 years downtown until Andler's grandfather closed it in 1993 when he retired."
Dago isn't acceptable anywhere but apparently Minnesota.
Perhaps "the easily offended" Eric Mitchell would like to chime in here as he always does whenever there is even an innocent remark made that can twisted into something racial. Where are you Eric? Why is this not offensive to you?
Because its a proper name and I leave it to the group to define what's offensive to them, not what I think should be offensive to them.
I think the issue with Bob and I was sorted out. If you read anything he posted on the 'N' word, you'd know that a lot more people should have been offended until they heard an explanation.
Its people like you who sit back and say nothing that allow wrong doing to persist.
How's that for flying off the handle?
Eric M.
Heimies Dinner...
Sambo's Dinner...
What is the differance?
One group of people kick and scream racism louder than the other group. So, it becomes acceptabe to discriminate against a class of people because they do not object loud enough. What about the greater publics interest?
Is there a big sign in the window saying the name of the store isn't meant to be a racial epithet? No of coarse not. Does everybody driving by know this is the name of the propritor? No!
I don't like the idea of having a hot dago sandwich on the menu either, one thing though, the dago sandwich is on a menu and not displayed on the front of a building for all to see.
Which leads me to my last statement. I believe in the first amendment and if someone wants to name their store after a racial epithet so be it. I will not shop Heimies or Degidios and I encourage others to do the same.
Anonymous said...
Heimies Dinner...
Sambo's Dinner...
What is the differance?
Thee is no difference, and that is just the reason property owners and the city are in a world of shit right now. Eric is perfectly fine with the name because it does not offend him, but watch out if you mention a race he has a fondness for! So to sum it up, it appears Eric don't acre enough to take a stand unless it effects him personally, and such is the case with the landlords, and here again Eric is right "Johnny on The Spot" to think it's perfectly fine to violate the hell out of the landlords rights as long as Eric doesn't get his rights violated. Hell you can't even make an honest mistake and this guy is all over ya
for it.....and that brings me to the problem....your rights are only as safe as the rights of the guy that do or don't stick up for when their rights are going down the drain. It's not just Eric either in all fairness to him, this is what the American society has become, just a bunch of cowards who are to chickenshit to stand up for anything that doesn't effect them.....all the while hoping they will remain safe. Then we wonder why we have so many problems.
Does anyone remeber when Jesse Jackson called New York City Hymie Town? Eddie Murphy spoofed Jackson in a SNL sketch where he (doing an impression of Jackson) sand the song "Don't Let Me Down Hymie Town"?
9:40pm
Its ironic that you compare me to a chickenshit coward while using anonymous to do so.
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I'm black. Racial epithets towards blacks are offensive to me. I know the history behind many of those words and its not pretty. I took the 'N' word out of my language years ago. Its has the worst history of any word in the American English language. Bob had a post on it that was excellent (this would be a good time to re-post it Bob). I don't just step up to whites who use it, I do it to blacks too, which usually lead to bigger confrontation.
Its not that I don't care about other ones(offensive racial words), I do and do not use them or keep company with those who do. What I said dipshit is that I personally, have no right to say that's offensive to group 'x' or group 'z' if group 'x' or group 'z' have NOT found offense. Get it? I can not visit the place and choose to tae it out of my language but, I cant speak up for a group if they haven't established their position.
I know being a landlord you think you get to speak for everyone but, you don't. You also do not have a right to decide whats offensive to others. That's a colonial attitude. You do have a right to freedom of speech but, so do the people who disagree with you. So, say what you want but, depending on what it is, be prepared to hear more freedom of speech.
(that whole me, me, me attitude that was described above is a very conservative republican approach to life that I'm way on the other of).
Eric M.
So when did Eric become the champion of the rights of the people. This guy is the last one who shoulod be talking about anyones rights.
David, thanks for the link.
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I'm no champion of no one. I don't claim to be, not qualified to be.
Eric M.
Above is a link to a very a important history lesson.
Eric has been a big help here at A Democracy educating others about racism. I appreciate his input.
Please don't turn this into a personal attack on him.
Thank you,
Bob
Eric -
"I'm no champion of no one."
I think that should be: "I'm not a champion of anyone". ;)
J
my friends and i use to call each other nigga we don't do that anymore since my dad posted the history of the word. when i see my dad today i am going to ask him to post more stuff on other races of people too. I didn't know heimie was a racial epithet until today when i read this.
1st and foremost this Gypsy: slang for Bohemian met with Jason@degidios.com at www.degidios.com next door to Sharons Senior group at the Salvation Army. Jason hired a lawyer on the slang term dago, Bobby U or Buddy should run for school board as the site A-Dem has become educational Title 26 501(c)3,Thanks tyrone.terrill@ci.stpaul.mn.us citys HR Director has nothing else to do on this absurd Dago charge, another "Thune" chicanery Trick against bar owners. Further a birdie told me Cossetta's Bar charges $30.00 to park cars for events?? Who use's the disabled parking downtown without plugging meters? Have a Safe 4th, Please Fast for Freedom to Petition your Government 1July07 Thanks GypsyRose of Sharon Ministrys
The fact is that this country is confronted with an issue much larger than racism. It seems that now, more than ever, everyone has the right to be insulted by something which was done with no intention of harm or offense. Because of this crusade for each of us to have our feelings spared at the expense of everyone else we are losing one of the greatest benefits of living in this country, individuality. If someone chooses to sell a dago sandwich or himie suit it should make no difference to anyone else; it is their right as individuals to make these decisions and as long as they are quality products I wholeheartedly support them for taking the chance create better communities through their entrepreneurship. I have no horse in this race. I have never even visited either establishment. However, I think I will go and pick myself up a new suit at Himie’s and take my wife to dinner at Degidio’s; after all I have heard nothing but positive things about the service provided at both establishments and you can’t find that at McDonalds. But I’m sure we are supposed to be offended by the golden arches as well.
Good Luck.
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