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Tuesday, December 27, 2011

Saint Paul/ Deaf activist feels 'great relief' after he settles suit against Ramsey County jail for $230K

This lawsuit is not over! Please click onto the comments for some inside information.


Blogger Bob said...

Hi All,

A friend of mine and occasional reader of this town hall gave Douglas Bahl his attorney referral.

I am told the Saint Paul police maliciously beat Mr. Bahl because of his inability to communicate with them.

I hope the courts upon hearing Mr. Bahls appeal award him a sum of money that will deter these kinds of incidence in the future.

8:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is the real reason Ramsey County needs to raise your taxes !!!!

Jeff Matiatos

12:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First off I support once someone is in custody that every service should be offered to make sure that communication is clear and available.

On the City side, I have no idea what happened, but the court has already given rounds one and two to the City on this one.

Round 1 - He was found guilty of obstruction of justice.

Round 2 - Federal Court ruled against him on his complaint, which is why he is having to appeal.

Sounds like he wants to argue that the cops while pulling over someone, MUST allow that person a pencil or pen in their hand so that they can write their questions to the cop and that the cop should write what is going on to the person they have pulled over.... Not going to happen, and there is no way that any court is going to say that any police officer would have to allow someone to have a pencil or pen in their hand.

Try this next time you are pulled over... keep a long skinny sharp object like a pen or pencil in your hand and see what the cops do to you. When they tell you to put it down, shake your head "no." My nickle says in any jurisdiction in this country they will drag your ass out of the car and get that sharp object out of your hand.

Granted a deaf person may not be able to communicate as well without that tool to help them, but there are people with language issues that are pulled over all of the time, and not all of them end up in a fight with the cops.

So, I'm guessing he didn't like having his pen taken from him... just a guess.


Chuck Repke

12:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about when a police officer pulls over someone who doesn't understand english ? Your not commenting to much on the beating this guy took Chuck. Did he deserve that ?

8:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This was from WCCO at the time:

In the criminal complaint, the prosecutor wrote that Bahl "would not speak with the officers. He would shake his head and make a negative gesture" as if saying "no."

Then the prosecutor claims Bahl "grabbed the officer's jacket and pulled the officer to the car." Police said Bahl "punched the officer's left arm" and "bit the officer's thumb."

....and that was what he was found guilty of... obstruction of justice.

So, after he grabbed the cops arm and bit his thumb, the cops I am sure weren't considering this a "failure to communicate" issue.

I have no idea what the cops did or didn't do then, but they appear to have been dealing with someone who assaulted an officer that they needed to remove from the car and get in cuffs and in the squad.


Chuck Repke

9:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Grabbed his coat and bit him huh? I doubt it very much. Sounds more like embelishment to me on the part of the Police

2:22 AM  

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