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Wednesday, August 24, 2011

Judge Judy - This Is Who We Are Supporting With Taxes

49 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Way to go DUANE !!!!! From the East Side you trash stealing
thug.

How about that Chuck !!!! Liberals at work !!!

12:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:37 Liberals at Work???? Are you freaking kidding me???

How about budget cutting right wing republicans at work?

Back in the days of the liberalism in the 1950's and 1960's the Welfare departments of the country use to get enough money to assign "Case Workers." And case workers actually went out into the neighborhood and checked up on people on welfare to see how they were doing.

This guy's case worker would have seen that he was fucking the system and cut him off.

But, we don't have case workers anymore because since the 1970's we have been getting "tough" on welfare and we got rid of all of those welfare case workers that went out into the field and worked with clients.

So, when are you right wingers going to admit that your policies have failed and that we should actually go back to liberalism?

JMONTOMEPPOF

Chuck Repke

9:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our hometown Mr.Duane here is obviousley a prime example of those who are scamming the system.

Even the woman in this video was scamming the court trying to get a judgment against another scammer. This woman wasn't even paying rent she was supposed to be paying.

But the point Chuck is that ever since the Johnson administration created welfare as we know it in 1964, unquestionably a Democratic
policy, the democrats have been pampering to the whims of the lazy welfare queens ( as Ronald Reagan described them )and kings without any oversight or sence of urgency that it's overburdening our Federal and States budgets.

We have more illegals on the dole than legitimate citizens with legitimate crisis.

These welfare programs are an evolutionary product of the democrats, who have failed year after year to implement oversight and create more stringent rules for applicants and illegals who come here to take advantage of the democrats safe haven protections .

Politicians in St.Paul that depend the latino and illegal vote to get elected.

But I have to say that blacks in general are the masters at welfare abuses. The origins of which evolves out of the sixties at the height of the civil rights movement that gave to that generation of blacks a sence of entitlement that has been passed on. This video is a perfect example that it exists in the present day.



Calvin

3:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THE RAMSEY COUNTY AID OFFICE !!!

Step right up and get your aid today !

4:04 PM  
Anonymous Whilms Dyter said...

Hey Calvin, you stupid worthless racist dick!!!
Two black men in the courtroom. One educated taxpayer- the bailiff, and one taker. Racist cowards like yourself only see one.

Whilms

8:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr.Whilms, it's not hard to see why you take such great offence to my comments about a serious budget busting problem that rightly is tied to a generation of blacks who have, and continue to feel this eternal sence of entitlement.

You think I am the only person that has ever believed this to be a fact ?

It's not racism to point out that a particular sector of people in this nation are primarily responcible for the drain on our Federal and State budgets .

I suppose you say it's racism for law enforcement ( police ) to ask relevant questions about citizenship ?

If statistics from the Government say that illegals ( who primarily are of Mexican decent ) are taxing the Federal and State budgets to death, do you agree that our Government is racists for simply stating this fact ?

Thats all I am doing and you call me a racists ?


I am simply repeating the obvious point of view and statistical evidence found everywhere you search on the internet and in books and government statistics.

Now stop being a white man hater.




Calvin

9:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well Mr.Editor of this blog, it seems you take a strong dis-liking to the First Amendment of the Constitution ?

You have few followers now because of your lack of respect for free speech.

If in fact you are a black man or know somebody close that is, I can only surmise this is your reason for deleting my last post.

Why ? Because it makes alot of sence and you can't handle it.

Wow, I guess my time and participation here has ended with a disappointing thought about your left leaning liberal patriotism for those who would help destroy the fabric of this country by taking advantage of it.

You Mr. Editor, simply use your own blog as a platform to convey only what is important to you.

Please then, remove all my posts .

And then get a new respect for the First Amendment.





Calvin

10:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bob,
This is your old nemesis Eric M. 11:07 is not me. I don't know what's going on but, I'm not biting the bait. You can delete it or not. Its not me.

Please delete this one too. I'll look through the posts over the last few months to be sure some loser is not trying to build a rep on the one I created.

Eric

8:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seems like you took the bait Eric if thats what it is. Otherwise you wouldn't even bother to go back over the last few months. Your reputation around here isn't as good as you say and even thats being generous.
You should have stayed hunkered down in your fox hole.

9:57 AM  
Blogger Bob said...

Eric, I am sorry you consider me your nemesis. I don't feel that way about you. I consider you a friend of this Town Hall. :)Although your statement tends to take the air out of Calvin's accusations.

You see Calvin Eric and others here have disagreed-ed with me on many issues for years and I have not deleted their comments. I have deleted off topic comments. I have deleted anonymous post that were inflammatory or libelous. I have deleted personal attacks when asked to. Folk's here like Eric who's identity is known can post just about anything because we know who they are, they "own" their words. I have allowed anonymous post exposing corruption when I had sufficient evidence to believe the accusations were true.

I found a comment in the spam folder of the Town Hall and I posted it.

Calvin, this forum was founded on the need for a public forum where everyone regardless of race or education is welcome. Free Speech at the top of the list.

As for lack of readers, I will admit it has been awhile since we had a hot topic here but with over 3000 topics in the archives and Internet searchers, this forum is alive and well. :)

I have not given this forum much attention in recent months I apologise for that, with elections coming up and my summer of fishing winding down I will get back into the swing of things.

11:36 AM  
Blogger Bob said...

This video is a request.

My first thought of this video. It is another example of racist whites using the video of this kid to oppress the larger majority of working class black's.

Secondly, I see this video furthering the impression among tax payers that their tax dollars are wasted on human services.

For you folk's information, in Ramsey County this aide program is widely known by the poor as a cash cow for the needy. The needy spans "all" races. Cash to those who really need it is drying up. It isn't easy to get a job.

For years now politicians have played on voter ignorance to get elected to office by attacking human service programs when in fact only 2% of the entire budget is spent on Human Services.

I won't get into a debate over race with you Calvin, I don't have the desire or time to rehash old debates that go no place.

1:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nemesis in a good way Bob.
Like two high school quarterbacks battling for the start, not like Batman and the Joker.

Anonymous- my reputation is exactly what I want it to be. Well-researched, to the Left, and owned by me.Watch my next post to see how it works.

Eric

1:29 PM  
Anonymous Eric said...

Mr.Whilms, it's not hard to see why you take such great offence to my comments about a serious budget busting problem that rightly is tied to a generation of blacks who have, and continue to feel this eternal sence of entitlement.

It'd 'offense' and 'since'. Even an illegal immigrant could get that right. Your concern is really not a budget concern. As Bob noted, its about 2% of the budget. How can you claim to be seriously concerned about the budget when you don't even know the budget? You're not.

You think I am the only person that has ever believed this to be a fact ?

Nope. Which is why these myths sustain. People like you rather stick with the myths then do the little work it takes to find out the truth.

It's not racism to point out that a particular sector of people in this nation are primarily responcible for the drain on our Federal and State budgets .

It's "responsible". So. 'A particular sector of people in this nation are primarily responsible for the drain on our federal and state budgets'?- Careful there Adolph. You're without facts or tact. Blacks make up a third of the individuals on welfare according to the Census. That means that two-thirds of welfare recipients are not black. Suck on that.


I suppose you say it's racism for law enforcement ( police ) to ask relevant questions about citizenship ?

Yes. If there is no other reason to question me except I look foreign- then it's weak. Even the police chiefs or America organization came out against this. Keep up.

If statistics from the Government say that illegals ( who primarily are of Mexican decent ) are taxing the Federal and State budgets to death, do you agree that our Government is racists for simply stating this fact ?

How are they doing that? You just said that it was black on welfare causing the serious budget concerns. Now its illegal Mexicans? Who's next, the Armenians? It's not racist if the facts say that, but since they don't, it makes you racist.

Thats all I am doing and you call me a racists ?

Actually your pushing misinformation that drum up hatred and distrust. Which is your main objective obviously.

I am simply repeating the obvious point of view and statistical evidence found everywhere you search on the internet and in books and government statistics.

BUZZ! Wrong!

Now stop being a white man hater.
Stop being a hateful white man.

Feels good to be back.

Eric

2:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11-12 million illegals in this country as of 2006 and growing 500K estimate per year and this is a low estimate.

I never inserted the budget figures into any of my posts and for the both of us, we'll be getting our info from internet sources and the like .

Spending in the Federal Budget in 2010 for health and human services was 84 billion dollars, by far the highest expenditure, excluding security / military spending.

I am not focused on the budget per se, just on this issue of illegal alien spending and the topic of how a sence of entitlement by blacks ( not all of them ) is alive and well today. Sure, there are Whites, Mexicans, Indians, and people from all races scamming the system but it's roots unquestionably started with blacks in the 60s when welfare was back in 1964. This is what I'am saying.

Blacks have always had a disadvantage when it comes to employment and education, therefore it is logical to conclude that their race will always be more prone to becoming welfare dependant and even though current statistics my show more whites currently on welfare than blacks, that is explained by the mere fact that blacks are less employable or employed

The present economic downturn has put whites out of work and into the welfare lines with blacks etc.

When the economy turns around, whites will be off welfare faster than blacks .

I have just provided you a reasonable and fairly accurate statistic and obvious point supporting my conclusion. No myth here.

Every part of the budget is a concern of mine and it just so happens the thread here draws attention to the health and human services part of the budget that happens to be the second highest expenditure. It's fair game to attack it with whatever we have to, to let congress know that it's not just a myth that people are STILL scamming the system. I hope Judy sent the tape to congress.

Also, you get pulled over for a traffic violation, your legal status needs to be embbeded on that little magnetic strip as a matter of National Security. It seems only to be a problem for you since perhalps you are in fact either a black man or some other minority.

No hatred or distrust here. Your kind ( who or whatever you claim to be ) seems to always inject hate and distrust upon white folks. You might possibly be a black person but to me that doesn't matter.

I have told the truth.



Calvin

3:55 PM  
Anonymous Eric said...

Spending in the Federal Budget in 2010 for health and human services was 84 billion dollars, by far the highest expenditure, excluding security / military spending.

84 billion? The Federal Budget is about 3.5 trillion. Like Bob said, that's about 2%. According to the CBO, the only official statistics, 20% is spent on Social Security, 23% is spent on Medicare and Medicaid and 20% on Defense. Perspective.

I am not focused on the budget per se, just on this issue of illegal alien spending and the topic of how a sence of entitlement by blacks ( not all of them ) is alive and well today. Sure, there are Whites, Mexicans, Indians, and people from all races scamming the system but it's roots unquestionably started with blacks in the 60s when welfare was back in 1964. This is what I'am saying.

The word is 'sense'. Is English your first language? Illegal immigrants are not collecting welfare. If you are aware of this, tell us all and then call ICE. Because you're checked for valid social security numbers and official birth certificates, its easier for illegals to get a job with fake papers and get paid under the table which is what they seem to be doing.

As far as blacks with a sense of entitlement- who cares? As long as the system is set up to weed out abusers (which gets harder ever year since the first thing conservatives like to do is cut social services budgets) and deliver temporary help for those who need it- which it does, what the hell do you care what people think? You're against the speech police, but for the thought police?

I don't think you know anything about what you're saying- welfare has been around since the beginning of the country when we separated those who can't work because of some ailment from those who can't find work. That's right- it goes back to the beginning of the 19th century. And, the welfare programs you're bitching about, started under Roosevelt in the 30's not Johnson in the 60's. Like I said previously, you're not terribly concerned with facts. You just have a point to try and push about blacks and Mexicans.



Eric

9:51 PM  
Anonymous Eric said...

Blacks have always had a disadvantage when it comes to employment and education,

Why is that?

therefore it is logical to conclude that their race will always be more prone to becoming welfare dependant and even though current statistics my show more whites currently on welfare than blacks, that is explained by the mere fact that blacks are less employable or employed

Current stats show that about one third of welfare recipients are black. That's an all time high. It's also an all time high for every group that's on welfare currently. You mention some statistics- where are they? The vast majority of all races on welfare are off within a few years. There is a small single digit percentage that remain dependent for life.

The present economic downturn has put whites out of work and into the welfare lines with blacks etc.

Thanks for the info Capt Obvious.

When the economy turns around, whites will be off welfare faster than blacks .

And you're proud of this because? It should be blacks and whites are able to find employment at the same rate.

I have just provided you a reasonable and fairly accurate statistic and obvious point supporting my conclusion. No myth here.

Before you write anything again, look up the definition for the following words- reasonable, accurate (putting 'fairly' in front of it kind of defeats the word), statistic and myth. You must think all of those words mean the exact opposite by the way you used them.

Every part of the budget is a concern of mine and it just so happens the thread here draws attention to the health and human services part of the budget that happens to be the second highest expenditure.

No, its not the second, third, fourth or fifth biggest part of the budget. This is silly to argue over- look at the damn budget. About two-thirds, 64%, is spent on Social Security, Medicare and Defense. A little over 2% is spent on Welfare.

It's fair game to attack it with whatever we have to, to let congress know that it's not just a myth that people are STILL scamming the system. I hope Judy sent the tape to congress.

People scam the system basically because they can. Stop cutting the damn budget and pay case workers a decent wage so that we can back to a decent ratio. Eliminating a good program because some asshat or a small percentage of asshats abuse it is just retarded.

Also, you get pulled over for a traffic violation, your legal status needs to be embbeded on that little magnetic strip as a matter of National Security.

You've got no idea bout the history and laws of this country do you? How do you proclaim to love it and know nothing of it?

It seems only to be a problem for you since perhalps you are in fact either a black man or some other minority.

I must be since I'm too stupid to see the fluidity in your logic. White men couldn't disagree with you, except they do. White men who happen to be police Chiefs came out against that idea. Why? Because cops on the street need people's cooperation to enforce the law. Questioning their status, like some federal agent, could hamper investigations that we actually pay them for.

No hatred or distrust here. Your kind ( who or whatever you claim to be ) seems to always inject hate and distrust upon white folks. You might possibly be a black person but to me that doesn't matter.
I have told the truth.


My 'kind'? Educated American that doesn't fall for the be scared of everyone bs? Anyway, your information goes against the facts which make it distrustful. Your focus is on blacks and Mexicans as problems to a budget (that you made up) and that makes it hateful. You being a race baiter, makes you hateful. But, its OK, you have a right to be stupid.

Eric

9:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, I'll refer you to google search terms in order to help you out. Whether a person want's to believe what they read is up to them.

" Why is there so much black unemployment "

" Why aren't blacks as smart as whites "

" Why are more blacks on welfare "

Of course you will call me a racists for asking these questions but I am not alone in my curiosity.

Our federal Government is as interested in these kinds of questions as are the tax payors supporting those on welfare and social security, just trying to find out how to solve the problems associated fraud and wasteful spending. To preserve the true intent of social security as a supplement to retirement and health care, we need to stop borrowing from this program to pay war debts.

The Federal budget surplus of 2000 quickly evaporated when Bush took office. Bush borrowed heavily from the Social security trust fund to pay for the wars and his tax cuts.

I said the Health and Human Services Budget as a whole is the second largest expenditure next to military and security. Welfare is just a portion of the Health and Human Services budget so your right, but we can focus specifically on that portion of it and single out those who would scam it . But going back to the google search terms, if you search these topics, one gets an overall confirmation that supports
the present day attitudes and apparent truths about blacks and minorities in relation to welfae and employment compared to whites.





Calvin

1:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He's right Eric. You shouldn't be afraid to do a google search to the questions and answers Calvin seeks.
It's to bad you can't accept the overwhelming consensus of the realities of differences that compare whites to minorities.

3:03 PM  
Anonymous LINK said...

Who Collects More welfare, Whites Or Blacks ?


WHITES DO!

6:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to U.S. Census Bureau, Whites not of spanish origin made up 63.7 % to 12.6 % blacks. Of course more whites might be on welfare given the current state of the economy of white unemployed to black unemployed.

The origins of welfare being abused is premised in part on the facts that black women were giving birth to many illegitimate children and the able bodied unemployed fathers of these children ( Poverty Pimps ) using the money from the AFDC to buy drugs .

Who is going to deny this ?

All the link at 6:33 p.m. does is note that whites collect more welfare than blacks and the reasons whites do is because of the white to black population difference compared to unemployment of employable persons of the two races.

But the link ignores that blacks are the biggest abusers of welfare historically and no one can deny that the poverty pimps are still alive and well.



Calvin

7:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The poverty pimps are alive and well isn't that right DUANE !!!!!

Hail to Judge Judy !!!!!!

7:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ronald Reagan said it right when he called them Welfare Queens.

8:07 PM  
Anonymous LINK said...

White privilage!

9:26 PM  
Anonymous Tim Wise said...

In this completely revised, “Remix” version of his highly-acclaimed memoir, White Like Me, Tim Wise explores how racial identity and whiteness influence the lives of white Americans, by examining how they have impacted his own life. Wise examines what it means to be white in a nation created for the benefit of those who are “white like him,” and how privilege seeps into every institutional arrangement, from education to employment to the justice system. Importantly, he also discusses the ways that white privilege can ultimately harm its recipients in the long run and make progressive social change less likely. Through personal storytelling and convincing analysis, Wise makes the case that racial inequity and white privilege are real and persistent threats to personal and collective well-being, but that resistance to white supremacy and racism is possible.

9:41 PM  
Anonymous video link said...

Tim Wise

9:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Calvin, you and Archy Bunker have a lot in common.

12:16 AM  
Anonymous Eric said...

One way to drag the truth out, is to stay on top of people and what they say. As they are confronted with the misinformation they try to push, you'll see them either changing the subject, or accidentally revealing their true point. Calvin's true point is one of white supremacy. His real issue is not the budget or even welfare abusers, it's blacks. This will probably take three posts, and since reading comprehension is not the strong point of most of you- I'll try to keep it brief.

Calvin starts off with these question:
" Why is there so much black unemployment "
" Why aren't blacks as smart as whites "
" Why are more blacks on welfare "
----

Since most are lower middle class and below, the easy answer is the lack of college degrees and specialized training. The next answer would be location. Lots of service jobs in the strip malls and new suburban developments but, very few in the core areas where they live. And finally, in the 70's the community colleges used to be not just for education but a place where you could learn a trade for very little money. That's not the case today with all of the cuts and again, the kind of programs that would support that are the first to go. Black are where white were in the 50's and 60's. You could get job at a factory like Whirlpool or 3M back then at 16 and by 25 you could raise a family and own a home on that income. Those jobs are constantly leaving the country for good.

As far as intelligence goes, studies show that there is no difference between young black children and young white children, the biggest factor that determine IQ comes in the schooling and follow-up. Since localizing the funding of public schools, the tax base of community decides the budgets for the schools. That's why affluent towns have great school systems. The kids who need the most help, come from poorer communities which mean a dip in the qualitative educational components. And we are speaking in broad strokes here. I'm from the South side of Chicago where most people in our neighborhood were home owners and going to college was normal. We were not one of the rich areas, just middle and working class people. I'm smarter than you Calvin, not on welfare, and not unemployed.

As far as the welfare thing, you already stated that more whites are on welfare so, re-adjust your hood and sheet and look at what you wrote.


Eric

11:05 AM  
Anonymous Eric said...

Calvin said:
The origins of welfare being abused is premised in part on the facts that black women were giving birth to many illegitimate children and the able bodied unemployed fathers of these children ( Poverty Pimps ) using the money from the AFDC to buy drugs .

Who is going to deny this ?
---

I will. The roots of illegitimacy goes back to slavery when men and women were separated and sold off to prevent strong family units. Reconstruction and the Great Migration brought on long separations due to men having to go several states over for work. Or say the wrong thing to a white person and you have to say goodbye to your family and take off. Or stay and be murdered. After WWII some that started to changed.

Oh, AFDC ENDED in 1996.

Calvin said:
But the link ignores that blacks are the biggest abusers of welfare historically and no one can deny that the poverty pimps are still alive and well.
---

Again, I can deny it. What proof do you have that one race is more abusive to the system than another? The fact that there are more whites on welfare will support stats that more white commit welfare fraud.

Poverty Pimps are still alive, they have morphed into the Republican Party. Keep cutting social program funding so that you can't hire case workers to stay on top of these people seeking out fraud. Keep cutting school budgets so that the poor loose out on the best way to end the cycle of poverty. Keep supporting big business and big banks so more good working class jobs can be sent overseas and faulty investments can be backed up by American tax dollars. Yes, not only do they pimp the crop of poor people, they want to grow it. But, don't listen to me, the Republicans in the last ten years have almost but that Republican Hoover for putting people in the poor house.


Eric

11:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you cross the North Korean border illegally, you get 12 yrs. hard labor. If you cross the Afghanistan border illegally, you get shot. Two Americans just got eight years for crossing the Iranian border. If you cross the U. S. border illegally you get a job, a drivers license, food stamps, a place to live, health care, housing & child benefits, education, & a tax free business for 7 yrs...No wonder we are a country in debt!

11:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So what? Another lie- illegals cannot obtain legal documents and services. Someone is selling fake identification papers.

Obama has sent more illegals back to Mexico than Bush, Clinton and Papa Bush combined. He's using drones and tripled the border agents.

You're suggesting we be more like the communists of North Korea? Or the Islamic Fascist of Iran or Afghanistan? This is America, almost all of us are immigrants in some kind of way. Immigration has been central to who we are. Idiot.


Eric

12:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Show us the numbers that Obama has sent more illegals back than clinton and bush !

You can't Eric can you : )

2:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just like Eric. He tells everyone to prove it and then he can't even back up his own !! LoL

6:59 PM  
Anonymous Eric said...

Sorry, I don't hang out on this blog. I just saw the request for proof. Of course I have it because I respect facts, not bs.

Obama has more border patrols than ever. Three times the number we had in 1997!

Deportations reach a record high! And this was almost a year ago. The new numbers for this year, expected to be even higher, will be out in the next two months.

Nice double standard of me having to prove myself while anonymous posters and the 'Calvins' of the blog get to post whatever racist, bigoted, uneducated crap that they can push out. It just reminds me of why I stopped posting here. You folks are comfortable in your ignorance and wary of any non confirming information. Enjoy.


Eric

8:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bob,

I've got a post in the que, can you get it and post for these knuckleheads?

Eric

10:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your not saying much more than we already knew Eric. To the contrary, you Democrats ( you must be one ) have been pandering to the whims of the poor and illegals for votes with promises of continued welfare since the dark ages.

Information sources on the internet and in Government suggest that although there is an increase in deportations, those numbers are insignifigant and do not keep pace with the numbers of illegals coming into this country.

Your grasping at straws trying to prove you point, and Democrats and the Obama administrations staunch
opposition to all of the states efforts to enact immigration reform laws, is proof that Obamas measley efforts to deport illegals is just grandstanding the issue .




Calvin

1:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your the Knucklehead Eric. Calvin just busted your ass !!!

3:52 PM  
Anonymous Eric said...

Calvin said: Your not saying much more than we already knew Eric. To the contrary, you Democrats ( you must be one ) have been pandering to the whims of the poor and illegals for votes with promises of continued welfare since the dark ages.

Do you know what 'to the contrary' means? Give one example of any Democrat anywhere promising continued welfare. It was a Democrat that ended lifetime welfare benefits and ended the AFDC program. While you're at it, show us where illegals are voting. When are you going to stop dealing in bs and try using facts to support racism?

Calvin said: Information sources on the internet and in Government suggest that although there is an increase in deportations, those numbers are insignifigant and do not keep pace with the numbers of illegals coming into this country.

Why can't you say they are facts? They are not suggestions on the internet. Those numbers are not insignificant. Do you have any facts to back up your claim on the increase number of illegals and what would be an acceptable ratio of deportation? You've been wrong every step of the way so far.

Calvin said: Your grasping at straws trying to prove you point, and Democrats and the Obama administrations staunch
opposition to all of the states efforts to enact immigration reform laws, is proof that Obamas measley efforts to deport illegals is just grandstanding the issue .

For a guy who hates illegals, you'd think he'd learn to use English grammar. It's "you're" not "your". Now, I'm not grasping at straws or anything. It's your points that have no proof or support. I've just been generous and kind enough to show you the err in your logic. You jumped on here with bs numbers (pulled from your ass no doubt) about welfare, the budget and illegals. You've been proven wrong on every single point and now you're trying to pivot off that.

Tell you what. Illegal immigration has been a problem for longer than the 30 months Obama has been in office. He came in and more than doubled the budget, tripled the border agents, utilized military grade tools like drones and helped the Mexican military with training and weapons. All of that is more than what was done the previous eight years under Bush when people like you were OK with it. If you call all of that grandstanding well, you have no idea about the issue or what you really want.



Eric

4:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"you're"
Oh the irony. Hahahahahahaha!
Eric

4:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for correcting me on my grammer. I mess up sometimes.

What fool in Congress would come right out and promise an illegal anything ? We know you Democrats are for amnesty and opposition to immigration reform.

No politician would come right out and say they agreed to continue any kind of welfare to any illegal, but when they vote on the Health and Human Services bill, the Democrats especially know that illegals are benefitting.

Of course I know AFDC ended and it's now called TANF.

The same types of people abusing AFDC continue to abuse TANF.

Even the Government has no specific verifiable number of illegals either in this country .

One thing is sure is that of the numbers we are deporting such as 387,790 in 2010, compared to over 500 K illegals who come in per year, does seem to suggest that signifigant gains are being made but the end result if these trends stay the same, we have a net gain of 112,210 illegals every year plus the 500K plus coming in as we speak, so it's a losing battle .

Not to mention the estimated 12-14million already here .

Illegals are voting and I will give you at least one example to shut you up.

In 2005, the Government Accountability Office found that 3% of individuals called to jury duty from voter registration roles were not U.S. citizens.

Illegals are voting because the Department of Justice is prosecuting them.

So, the ones that don't get caught have in fact had their votes count. So much for for the bullshit right ? Your wrong here also Eric.

I do not hate illegals. I am on the side of legal immigration for any race or creed that wants to come to this country to make a better life if they do it right.

Your Goose is cooked Eric. I provided you with all the proof you asked.



Calvin

11:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh yes, Obama helped the Mexican thugs kill our own people by putting guns in the hands of Mexican thugs in hopes that they could trace the guns to the big cheeses of the drug cartels.

WRONG !!!

Obama doubled the budget ? You bet he did and his massive bailouts haven't solved one dam thing.

8:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry Calvin, you have not provided proof. You said: "To the contrary, you Democrats ( you must be one ) have been pandering to the whims of the poor and illegals for votes with promises of continued welfare since the dark ages"....
I ask you for proof and you come up with:"No politician would come right out and say they agreed to continue any kind of welfare to any illegal, but when they vote on the Health and Human Services bill, the Democrats especially know that illegals are benefitting."


Well, which is it? We've already corrected you that only 2.3% of the economy is welfare. The vast majority of Health and Human Services is ate up by Social Security and Medicare. That would be seniors who votes more consistently than any other group. So, a promise to protect Social Security and Medicare can be seen as a promise for votes. Except its logical and lots of evidence that shows its seniors not illegals.

TANF has a five year limit on it too that is strongly enforced. Its why they changed to this system from AFDC.

Even Labor Unions provide information that undocumented workers are not able to get welfare benefits.

Any illegal getting any welfare is because of false documents, which is an easily solvable problem if the Republicans would stop cutting the budgets.

You didn't leave a link or anything for your jury duty thoughts. Where I used to live, there were a lot of Indians and Pakistanis who were here on work visas working in the technology sector and Silicon Valley. Several are given calls to show up for jury duty. Same thing in this area for Canadians on student visas. You must not have ever served on jury duty to not know the second question they ask you.

Don't get all puffy-chested because some anonymous posters say you're cleaning clocks. I am the second most hated person around here five years running now. This is a blog where bullshit rules as long as you're bitching about someone. Providing proof means you're a liberal and thus, hated. I'm used to it. These fools have never been able to amount to anything beyond bad spelling and grammar crucifying gutter snipes on a dying blog. Stand on your own and back up your hatred with some numbers and links. Impressing the retarded is no reason to pat yourself on the back.

Eric

9:28 AM  
Anonymous Eric said...

8:01- try reading the posts and clicking the links if your interested in educating yourself. By all means, remain anonymous, you're an idiot.

Calvin- you've provided no proof and more insinuations. That's OK, we've got an idea of your pattern and point. Take it from me, racism, like ignorance, falls apart at the seams when facts are presented. You find yourself revolving back to things that have already been addressed ignoring the facts already presented. See, 8:01.

Eric

10:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You've been schooled Eric. Now grab your pencils and paper and hurry on back to class you've still got alot to learn. reading for one .

12:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eric said :

" Give one example of any Democrat anywhere promising continued welfare " .

Calvin responded :

" but when they vote on the Health and Human Services Bill, the Democrats especially know that illegals are benefitting ".

Eric Said :

" While your at it, show me where illegals are voting "


Calvin said :

" Illegals are voting because The Department of Justice is prosecuting them "

Calvin says :

I think this means The Department of Justice knows what it's talking about when it's says they are prosecuting illegals who vote. How can you be so ignorant Eric ? Look it up Mr. prove it too me !!

And another thing, stop fretting that your probably a black man who's grudge seems to be that everyone who talks about the differences between blacks, and other minoritys compared to whites is racists.

Chew on that for awhile.



Calvin

3:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eric, the answers to your demands for proof were answered in full by Calvin.
99% of Americans with even half a brain can tell you that they know Democrats and Republicans in Congress are responcible for welfare appropriations.
They can also tell you that they know politicians are well aware illegals are on the dole same as they are aware that illegals are working in this country illegally.
Your asking Calvin to prove up the answers to your questions that only require common sence answers, reveals your true ignorance on the issues. I believe Calvins 3:15 post sets the record straight.
You truely are the idiot Eric. You have been beat down once again.

3:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stupid people like Eric need to be removed from the gene pool POOF!!!

5:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Big surprise, another bum has found his way to A Democracy. What's the matter? Pioneer Press start making people sign in for real?

As I've said before, when you got this crowd here supporting you, you've reached rock stupid bottom.

Its a gutter-snipe ghetto and they're seeking a new mayor. Calvin may just be the man for that.


Eric

8:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ya Eric. You were picked off all right. Right between the eyes !

10:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You just can't hack it Eric, so pack it.

12:53 PM  

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