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Friday, April 04, 2008

Hide Your Guns And Ammunition Boy's!

Please click onto the TITLE of this post for the video.


Blogger Bob said...

Hi All,

When I was 5 years old I got my first gun. It was a replica Wild Bill Cody nickel plated 30 30 BB gun. From Cody Wyoming. I was a perfect shooter, rarely missed anything. Hunting was a family tradition.

I would walk through the small town of Bay City Wisconsin where I lived and shoot birds with my BB gun. YES, in town. I only got into trouble once for doing this. An elderly lady who liked to watch birds had a big bird feeder and to me this was bait in the kill zone.

Well she complained to my Dad and I didn't shoot the birds anywhere near her home anymore. She didn't call the cops. Back then the cops probably would have said "well what do you want us to do about it"? That's how people were years ago. And EVERYONE down home has guns.

I got my first real firearm when I was 12. It was a 20 gauge Ithaca single shot shot gun. Before my Dad gave me the gun I had to join NRA and complete an NRA gun safety coarse. I had to learn to care for the firearm. I had to disassemble and assemble the firearm in a designated time period.

Then I went on to a bigger gun at age 15.. A 30-06. I could put a shell through the top of a Bufferin bottle cap at 225 yards.

I was a member of the NRA for over 15 years. I haven't hunted in years. I have aged and find it difficult to even step on an insect.

Over the years I have come to recognize the firearm as our ICON of freedom from an oppressive government. It's importance as a representation of our freedom is greater than the sport of hunting.

If the mentality of this video spreads through out the states. It will be time to forum citizen militias.

Until that time I suggest everyone who gives a damn send the NRA some cash.

10:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are citizens banned from owning tazers ?

10:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we use tazers to defend our self from the police?

12:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we taze Eric and Chuck?

10:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

tazers are legal. pepper spray is legal, in small packages, under 2oz I believe. (you can have several 2oz packages, just not one big one...)

I step on bugs, but dislike guns. it's my personal choice...

I think that your view of guns as an icon of freedom from an oppressive government is shortsighted. after all, our current prez (not to mention the "I forgot to yell "DUCK"" veep...) is a supporter of the NRA, but also responsible for more damage to the constitution than anyone in memory...

8:56 PM  
Blogger Nancy Lazaryan said...

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10:14 PM  
Blogger Bob said...

Nancy, there are very few citizens malitias that I know of. I could be wrong. I know Montana has one.

8:56 said; I think that your view of guns as an icon of freedom from an oppressive government is shortsighted

my response, let me put it this way, I feel great comfort in knowing the people of this country have the right to bare arms and a good percentage of our citizens do bare arms. The FACT we are a gun tooting nation gives cause for domestic and foreign enemies to think twice about invasions on our soil.

Imagine a foreign enity or our own government gone bad trying to win a door to door fight in this country. It would be a bloody mess.

7:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nancy, I didn't say that Bob was in bed with Bushco. I just find it hugely ironic that on the one hand we have the gun as an icon of freedom from an oppressive govt and on the other we have a gun-totin', quail-huntin', partner-shootin' veep who is doing everything in his power to undermine the constitution...

in other related news, Charlton Heston passed away yesterday. watching "The Ten Commandments" won't be the same...

forgot to ID myself in my last post...


7:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bob, it's a lot easier to bare arms now that it's spring...



7:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh, and I suppose it would be polite to introduce myself. I live in Maplewood, and found your blog here after doing a little googling... interesting place you have here...


8:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

know-it-all is different from a know-nothing. I do think you to be trapped in a prism of the latter.
What militia do we have that can and will 'protect' you from government infringement?

The Tenth Amendment that gives great powers to the states, have allowed a lot of the Bill of Rights to be weaker than read. Our state constitutions and local charters cannot ignore the Constitution but, are allowed to be MORE strict.

For instance, your Fourth Amendment is in place, unless there is suspicion or probable cause, or your premises are entered by Emergency Personnel.
You can also own arms but, with different restraints depending on what state you're in.

So, for this question alone, where is the militia you speak of? Over the years it morphed into the guard and the people have voted on state laws that give control of them to the state's CEO or official representative, unless the President federelizes them with a stroke of the pen.


9:28 AM  
Blogger Nancy Lazaryan said...

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9:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bob wrote:
"The FACT we are a gun tooting nation gives cause for domestic and foreign enemies to think twice about invasions on our soil."

Not so Bob. First, we are unique that we are separated for the most part by a vast Ocean and another continent. The countries to the north and south of us are friends.

There are several countries on the world that the gun ownership is higher. In Switzerland, every male is issued an assault rifle and ammunition from the government. That didn't stop the Nazi's from occupying them. In Israel, every citizen of 18 must serve in the military and the have the highest level of gun ownership and training. I wouldn't call it safe.
Neither one of those countries have a domestic force worth speaking of, which leads to some justification of that ownership.

There are lots of statistics that will show that gun control does not work. It so politically polluted now on both sides that it comes down to one thing- Do you feel better with a gun in your house?

The NRA is nothing but a partisan political arm. There are better Gun Owners organization that actually work with people to educate and train them on ownership without playing party politics.


9:49 AM  
Blogger Bob said...

BD, the only arms I "BARE" now, are my arms so I can get a darker complexion in the summer. :-)

Thoughtful and informative post Eric, Thanks.

10:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no matter how we some up our borders eric, security can and aways will be determined by who has the biggest guns or nukes.

north vietnam and iran are attempting to get a big gun.

11:15 AM  
Blogger Nancy Lazaryan said...

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12:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about givng us some examples from the 20th or even the 21st Century Nancy?

There were slaves abound and no such thing as a 'middle class' back on those days you run too. There was also zero professional police forces around at those times. Can you be more recent with support?

Or, better yet show us. We all know that true constitutional law enforcement only went to those elected by the people, ie the Sheriff. Yet, I don't see you telling local cops or the state patrol that they have no authority over you.

You talk a big game as if we still living in 1840. The constitution has been amended close to 18 times since then. Hundreds of Treaties have been signed sinced then (law of land only second to the constitution), we've doubled the number of states since then and thousands of cities have risen. Our population was only 17 million as opposed to 300 million today.

So, tell us something relevant to today, or go write a history book.

Oh yeah, none of those militias are recognized beyond the status of a club, like a rotary meeting. They are not part of the defense or enforcement of our laws and land.

Since you're currently having so much trouble arresting people with your 'constitutional power' and the national guard won't listen to you either, how about getting a militia to march into city hall and make your arrests? According to you, that's what they're for.

Go for it and be sure to let us know how it worked out. Why don't you arrest some of these judges you don't too?

You can own your guns, that's fine but, don't try to tell me its still for bringing our government in line. That's a fantasy.


1:53 PM  
Blogger Nancy Lazaryan said...

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2:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know Nancy, I'm starting to think the only way you can get attention from a handsome young man such as myself is to come here and provoke me. Well, whatever gives you your jollies babe.

Mentioning slavery is not the race card. Its what was happening in 1840 like everything else I listed (number of states, populations, etc) and what was happening under the times and cases you listed. Again, race obsession.

Playing the race card would be me saying "You people are just picking on me because I'm black and you are offended that someone you view as being below you, dare disagree with you!"

So, according to you, its the blacks who don't know how to be citizens and its the fault of 'good white folks' for not teaching us? (I just threw-up in my mouth a little bit).

You're having trouble in the legislative, judicial and executive branches of government at different levels and you beleive it to be because they don't understand 'soveriegn people'. Blacks don't control any part of that government on any level, or do we swing the electorate that elected them.

Its very Hitler-like of you to scapegoat us and tag us for the reason of your frustration, when in reality, your frustrated because you don't understand the world we live in. You preah to us about some forgotten time or newly discovered rights, and anyone who can't see it like you are part of the problem.

I got it right so far, Adolf?


3:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Virginia state miiltia is not what you proposed Nancy (though I'm not shocked that there is more to the story than you present), its much closer to what I said- its exactly what I said.

In 1971, the Virginia Bill of Rights under Article I, Section 13, was changed to the following:

"That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power."

The current Virginia Militia under Virginia Code 44-1 states "The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of all able-bodied citizens of this Commonwealth and all other able-bodied persons resident in this Commonwealth who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, who are at least sixteen years of age and, except as hereinafter provided, not more than fifty-five years of age.

The militia shall be divided into four classes, the National Guard, which includes the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard, the Virginia State Defense Force, the naval militia, and the unorganized militia."

The 'unorganized militia' has come to be interpreted as that- the same group of men who served in the other branches but are still of age to be called for service.

So, their militia is defined clearly as their guard. This is different what I said- how? The Governor makes the call on the gaurds (Army, Air and Navy) or the President.

This is what I mean by you being off your rocker or a crackpot. It clearly states one thing, there no evidence of anything else in recent times changing that language and you read it completely different.

I won't ask how this applies to Minnesota, since it doesn't even apply to your own fabrication.


3:54 PM  
Blogger Nancy Lazaryan said...

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5:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every damn post I educate you. Read them! You can lead a horse to water but, you can't make it drink.

You are repeating this 'pants hanging to their knees thing'. Does that excite you, dear?

Hey Bob, does Leslie (your friend who wrote the book about Ventura) have a wife? Nancy would be perfect for him. You shuld introduce them.

Nancy, I address your rants in every post. Like life, you only see and read what you want.

I'm going to watch Meet the Press, talk with you later.


5:08 PM  
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6:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the late eighteenth century as we and a few other places were strugling with the notion of having citizens run the government, the issue of the army was a sticking point.

Since all of the leaders of our fledgling country were revolutionists and had just fought with what had been their army (they were English citizens, it was their King, their parlement and their army), they were very much conserned about the notion of a standing army. Couldn't the new government's army cause as much mischief as the last?

So, the notion that liberty was tied to a citizen soldier made a lot of sense. To insure that there would be a citizen soldier then all citizens had to be able to own guns. Clearly it was their vision that when threatened by hostile forces all of us good citizens would grab our guns and join up with our leaders in the town square and go off together to fight.

The national guard is about the last remaining notion of that idea and once King George is done destroying them, they too may come to an end. (My sons friends who are in the guard have done more time in the war than his friend who signed up for the army and has already completed his stint.) My guess is the draft is coming soon kiddies.

So, from a constitutional stand point I think the reason for the second amendment is gone. But, that being said, I don't think it changes the fact that it exists. Which means even though one doesn't buy the gun with the intent of joining the militia, you still have the right to the gun... just not the reason (but that isn't required with a right).

So, I think the government can require registration, and gun safety classes (making you be a part of that well trained militia) but I don't think they can take them away.


Chuck Repke

9:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chuck, I agree there will be a draft if McCain or Clinton gets in there.

No war, NO draft if you vote for Obama


9:47 AM  
Blogger Nancy Lazaryan said...

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10:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes Nancy, we agree that the right still exists, we just disagree if the reason still exists.

You mention Flandrau and the Minnesota Volunteers my great, great, grandfather died in service in Capt. Belm's Company under Col. Flandrau at New Ulm.


Chuck Repke

11:18 AM  
Blogger Nancy Lazaryan said...

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11:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nancy - when the local government treats everyone the same (as I have been a witness/victom of), gives multiple extentions (4-5 years for most of these guys are not uncommon) is only accused at worst of stopping extensions which consequence is to bring the issue to sun shine and a public hearing, then I don't see the tyranny.

But, I will fight to my last breath to fight against the land barons who would take our rights as citizens from us.

The Mobile-Exxon's that fund the assault on the PUBLIC's RIGHT of Eminent Domain is one of those fights that I will always stand up against the wealthy and powerful that believe in their "Golden Rule": he who has the gold rules!

And yes locally those wealthy and powerful people who believe they have the power to destroy communitees in Saint Paul because their are unwilling to maintain their properties. Damn straight I will stand up to them and fight for the neighbors in Saint Paul who feel powerless against these bullies, that get go home to the burbs where the local laws wouldn't allow them to even operate.


Chuck Repke

10:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chuck said,"The Mobile-Exxon's that fund the assault on the PUBLIC's RIGHT of Eminent Domain is one of those fights that I will always stand up against the wealthy and powerful that believe in their "Golden Rule": he who has the gold rules!"

Ciani says,"Chuck do you speak of the land our local government fought for us,just to give to contractors who have built a ghost town.The buildings look great but Chuck its a failure like your condo project.So thank you local government for spending our taxes to support a failure.WAKE UP CHUCK!"

Tim Ciani

12:20 PM  
Blogger Nancy Lazaryan said...

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2:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chuck you refer to these "land barons" and spew all this good BS, but I never hear you say that people in America have civil rights. Did the government take away those rights in your mind. These lawsuits are not about people fixing houses up or maintaining them, landlords are fixing places up. It's about a government out of control who thinks they can do anything to anybody and get away with it. No one wants to destroy neighborhoods or watch their investments turns into nothing, are you nuts? Who are you talking about? Your beloved city government tried to play politics with the housing code inspections to advance their illegal agenda and they broke the law and they got caught at it. Where do you get all this stuff like these guys just want to spend all their money making the city miserable with lawsuits? Do you really believe this stuff. I know 2 of those people suing the city and I know for a fact that they wouldn't spend 5 cents unless the odds were 100 to 1 in their favor. Wise up Chuck, you're a reasonably smart guy but starting to look very stupid.

1:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1:20 - Let's try this. If someone in the code division tagged someone for something that wasn't wrong to, "play politics with the housing code inspections to advance their illegal agenda," then those people had the ability to appeal to district court and have the orders dismissed.

The problem is that in EVERYONE of these cases there actually was the code issues wrong with the properties that the inspectors wrote them up for. There was no "illegal agenda," and no distortion of the code and no relief in State court because what the City said was wrong with the property was wrong with the property.

That is why they are trying this insane RICO complaint. That somehow they were selectively targetted and if you can't inspect every property in the City all at once on the same day then you can't inspect any of them or that person is being "targeted."

Again, the entire case now is that no evidence has been found to support the alegations against the City, but not every email has been recovered so it must mean that the smoking gun is in a missing email. They have nothing except wild accusations but they want the judge to believe that if they had every email ever writen in the last ten years they would find something...



Chuck Repke

9:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're wrong Chuck. Yes there were some code vioaltions. There were also code violations that were fabricated. That menas the inspector lied Chuck. As far as appealing in court, the Ramsey County Court was rigged by the city and everyone seems to know it but you. Where you been? Haven't you been reading everything here?

7:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are right 7:52. I keep forgeting how big this conspiracy in Saint Paul is. Its 3 Mayors, all of the Council members all of the employees of the City of Saint Paul, its the entire Ramsey County bench, the state Supreme Court and George Bush... all out to get these dozen landlords in Saint Paul.

Tin foil, rolls and rolls of tin foil is what you all need.


Chuck Repke

12:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There goes Chuck with his conspiracy theory again. The people of St Paul are all against him and a few innocent inspectors.

7:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not the people against Chuck, its you and a dozen other landlords.
The people keep electing Chuck's friends and approving his projects.

It seems to me that you are the one having trouble getting people behind you. So, its you against the city, the people, the courts and Chuck (and me).

10:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 10:53 A.M.,

I'm not a landlord, and neither are the majority of people who are aghast at the city's actions. 15% voted in the last election. This is not representative.

1:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Only 15% Are you sure?

So, 85% chose not to vote? Then that was democracy at its best. People had a choice.

I'm sure if they felt like you, then they would have turned out in higher numbers.

5:55 PM  

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