St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman orders ban on city travel to protest Arizona immigration law
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St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman today announced an order banning city-funded travel to the state of Arizona.
Reacting to that state's new immigration law, which has drawn national fire for giving police the right to ask possible illegal immigrants for proof of citizenship, Coleman also urges other cities and governments to ban travel to Arizona.
Few if any St. Paul officials or workers had any trips to Arizona planned that would have to be canceled.
The text of the announcement is below:
Mayor Coleman Orders Boycott of Publicly Funded Travel to State of Arizona
Coleman Bans Publicly Funded Travel in Response to Recently Passed Law Targeting Immigrants for Criminal Prosecution, Will Call for Boycott of Phoenix
Arizona travel boycott
Do you agree with the travel ban?
Yes, because Arizona's law is abhorrent.
No, because Arizona is doing the right thing.
I'm not sure.
for 2012 Political Conventions
(Saint Paul) - Saint Paul Mayor Chris Coleman took a stand today, ordering City departments to no longer travel to conferences in the State of Arizona. Coleman issued the order today in solidarity with other cities and organizations in boycotting the State of Arizona in protest of the recent signage of SB1070 by Governor Jan Brewer.
"This law sets a dangerous example for the rest of the country. It will create a culture where racial profiling is acceptable, and will create a dangerous wedge between police officers and the communities they serve. We've seen what can be done through partnering with immigrant communities and its effects on issues such as domestic violence rates, violent crime, and overall
community safety.
It would be immoral to not stand up in the face of a piece of legislation that is rooted in hate and fear. We are a country of immigrants - and SB 1070 is an affront to our constitution and the values we hold dear as Americans. It's not worthy of who we are as a people - and it's certainly not worthy of the investment of any city dollars being spent in Arizona.
I can't imagine what it would have been like for my grandmother had they passed a similar anti-Irish law. Today I choose to stand with the millions of immigrants in our City and across the country who should have access to the same level of safety and opportunity as everyone else."
Coleman also noted that he would write to the chairmen of both the DNC and the RNC to encourage them to not choose Phoenix, a contender for their national conventions, in 2012.
Nothing more than political posturing.
Bottom line Coleman is supporting criminals of his choice.
Dirtbag politicians. Arizona is under attack from drug delaers, illegals and this Mayor decides to stand with them while at the same time he sends out his housing inspectors to turn people's lives upside down over minor code violations and damage caused by renters who are manipulating the system so they can get one up on the lanldord in eviction court.
Bob, I am outraged that my Latino friends could be stopped on the streets of Tucson and thrown into jail if they don't have a passport on them. A Minnesota drivers license won't work, because it doesn't assure an official in Arizona that you are a legal resident of the country. They would have no idea if our state laws required it or not.
It is the most FUCKED UP, RACIST, LAW that has been passed in this country in more than 50 years.
I love Arizona, I have friends in Arizona. My better half's brother lives in Arizona. There is no way in Hell that I would step foot in that racist state with that law in effect.
Bob, pass that law here and I promise you I will find a cop to put your ass in jail for suspicion of being an illegal Canadian!
Don't doubt me. You will find you ass in Toronto before you know what hit you.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck said;
Bob, I am outraged that my Latino friends could be stopped on the streets of Tucson and thrown into jail if they don't have a passport on them.
My response;
No one will be stopped randomly by the police for the color of their skin. The only way someone will be stopped or investigated is if they violate a traffic law or are suspected of a crime.
If your friends are stopped Chuck for a CRIME they better know their english or they maybe suspected of another CRIME, being in Arizona illegally.
Chuck said;
It is the most FUCKED UP, RACIST, LAW that has been passed in this country in more than 50 years.
My response;
Has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with CRIME! It is a good law dealing with the problem of illegal immigrants who take our badly needed jobs, overwhelm our criminal courts, and health care cost.
Chuck said;
I love Arizona, I have friends in Arizona. My better half's brother lives in Arizona.
My response;
I lived in Phoenix & Scottsdale Arizona for over a year. I have friends there too. I also love Arizona. This law is what the overwhelming percentage of citizens in Arizona want to control a problem the federal government refuses to deal with.
I can't wait for the next elections. Democrats are going to be run out of Washington on a rail.
Bob, read the law. This has nothing to do with questioning someone who has committed a crime. Quit listening to Rush and Glen and think for yourself.
Even in sanctuary cities like Saint Paul anyone who has committed a crime is asked the citizenship status THAT IS A FACT.
And anyone who is illegal is turned over to the Feds.
What this law does is says that if a police officer or government employee SUSPECTS that someone is illegal they are REQUIRED to determine their immigration status. So if we pass this law in Saint Paul then STEVE MAGNER as a government employee SUSPECTS that Bee Vou may be an illegal immigrant then Steve is REQUIRED to determine his immigration status and if Bee doesn't have a passport on him Steve will call the COPS and Bee will be in jail.
And the law gives STEVE MAGNER total immunity to do that over and over and over again to anyone that he "SUSPECTS" might be an illegal.
That is the law in Arizona that you think is a good idea Bob.
So, bring it on in Minnesota all you fine Republicans because I'm sending your ass back to Canada on the first box car Bob. Teach you for sneeking across the border.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Don't forget the part Chuck about the right to suit.
If the neighbors of say, Frank Steinhauser, suspected him of being here from Canada or Germany and inform any city representative (cop, librarian, fireman, DSI rep, Parks and Rec employee, etc) and the city does nothing to prove his citizenship- then that citizen can sue the city.
Oh, a driver license or state ID is not good enough to prove citizenship. Real Seal Birth Certificate or Passport should do it.
Eric
An interview with the law professor who wrote the Arizona immigration law S.B. 1070
LINKED ABOVE
Hi All,
I read the Arizona bill regarding this law. Sounds reasonable to me.
Judge for yourselves.
LINK TO BILL HERE
Bob this is the section:
20 B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).
-snip
You tell me what you think that means. On my planet that means that you are giving a shit load of power to the Steve Magners of the world to lock people up...for "suspicion."
I am amazed.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
As most of you know, I lived in Japan for 2.5 years. While I was there, I was REQUIRED to carry my alien registration with me at all times.
And yes, the police would stop me and ask for it.
I didn't find it objectionable; I was a guest in their fine country.
Bill Cullen
Everyone has a right to disagree with a law... But I don't recall a St. Paul (or Mpls) Mayor ever before stopping State employee travel to another state to make a statement about their laws.
Does this mean Mayor Coleman approves of all other state laws? If not, why single out this law? Isn't this all political grandstanding?
Because its inherently racist. Not the idea but, the application.
In a multi-cultural society as the United States, its hard to distinguish who is illegal is who isn't. So when the power is given to any city employee to question and even detain anyone that appears to be an illegal immigrant, many Americans will be questioned and detained. That's a violation of the 14th Amendment.
Japan is almost a homogeneous society. They are also very close in proximity to North Korea and China. Japan does not have a Bill of Rights.
Your experience is both subjective and not relevant to the discussion.
Eric
Eric,
Great change of topic; you sure rule in that department. The question posed here is about Coleman's response to a different State law.
If no St. Paul employee can go on a State paid trip if the State has "racist" laws (in yours and his opinion) then why only Arizona? Why not all States and Countries? What is Coleman's standard?
It is ridiculous.
Principled boycotts and protests are not ridiculous. Its very American and has been effective since the 1760's.
Funny you comment on economic boycotts but have been dead silent when your side makes its calls to arms.
Violent uprising is OK with you? Peaceful protest is ridiculous?
You are ridiculous.
Eric
Blog is upgraded with links
Researching QuiTam Files re: Health Care Obama as Trial Lawyer,now Tom Emmers Trial Layer not a Dimes Difference re: Cook Co. v. PhD Janet Chandler The Continued Dumping and Subsidy Offset Act of 2000 (the "Byrd Amendment") provides for the distribution of antidumping duties collected by the United States to eligible "affected domestic producers" of the dumped goods. 19 U.S.C. § 1675c(a) (2000). An "affected domestic producer" must be "a petitioner or interested party in support of the petition with respect to which an antidumping duty order . . . has been entered." Id. § 1675c(b)(1)(A).
Sharon, Obama was never a Trial Lawyer. Never. He supported forms of tort reform which made the trial lawyers nervous.
Tom Emmer has been both a trial lawyer and lawyer for the insurance companies who dump people after they file a claim.
Your lawyer buddy (mis)handling this phony racketeering lawsuit against the city is dues paying member of Minnesota's Trial Lawyers (MnAJ). I'm sure you see some good in them.
Eric
Eric:
Funny you comment on economic boycotts but have been dead silent when your side makes its calls to arms.
Me:
Once again you change the topic when you cannot explain a DFL position. What is Coleman's principle regarding which State laws should force a boycott?
There is a reason I enjoy talking with Chuck and not you. Chuck will admit when something is odd (as will I). But you hold the DFL dogma even when it is ridiculous.
Bill, I'll answer your question.
When City employees travel out of the country, they ALL have to have their passports with them... no problem.
When City employees travel to Arizona under the new law, only those that look Latino have to have their passport on them... that is wrong.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Bill, you don't enjoy talking to me because I've call you out on your philosophical bs that you don't waiver from.
Now the reason this law is discriminatory is because it allows unequal protection which is a violation of the 14th Amendment.
A white person will still enjoy the same 4th Amendment rights, protection from unwarranted searched and seizures. This was previously allowed only with probable cause.
An American of hispanic background can be stopped, questioned and detained under this law. No 4th Amendment right. Stopped, questioned and detained without the burden of probably cause (that's been reduced to reasonable suspicion). That's unequal treatment under the law and violation of the 14th amendment.
Hope that's clear.
Eric
Chuck,
I was stopped frequently in Japan for my "alien registration." I didn't leave home without it. I was clearly profiled by the color of my skin.
If I, or anyone else traveled to Japan with John Choi (or any other city employee of Asian descent), I am far more likely to be randomly stopped than the person of Asian descent.
Coleman should state a principle to go with his declaration. But he won't because his principle would have to be applied to many countries and states he doesn't want to embarrass. I don't know if it is appropriate to call Coleman's actions jumping on the bandwagon or politics, but I find it silly.
Bill Cullen.
I was stopped frequently in Japan for my "alien registration." I didn't leave home without it. I was clearly profiled by the color of my skin.
If I, or anyone else traveled to Japan with John Choi (or any other city employee of Asian descent), I am far more likely to be randomly stopped than the person of Asian descent.
*sigh* There is no 14th Amendment protection in Japan Bill. You know, equal protection under law? So, without that individual protection, they can do what they want.
In America, we have a 14th Amendment. What is it with you?
Eric
Oh, its racist because it singles out one group of Americans and affect the adversely.
Chuck, can you copy and paste this so Bill can understand it?
Eric
Chuck and Eric go live and work with your DFL supporters in Mexico and please take Mayor Coleman with , please don't come back.
Chris Coleman's last term.
You are the dumbest St.Paul Mayor we had after Jim Scheible.
He never lasted long at Ramsey Action Program on his last hitch there.
That RAP sure tried to hide the bosses stealing from the warehouse to sell the stuff at a garage sale,CH 5 News ran the story.
I was getting more trash on all their past directors, Chris Coleman was my St.Paul City Councilman and like the Democrat he is help conceal that RAP was installing bad insulation.
Now like a Democrat he and the city council allow The New Sholom Nursing home at 740 East Kay Avenue in St.Paul to be built on polluted land, Chris never care about the 200,000 home that RAP installed formaldehyde soaked insulation with 1.51 PPM formaldehyde, that Sandy Pappas worker had tested and no one care because it wasn't put in their home.
I feel that the DFL better known as the Dumb F_cken Liars only care about money and not people that voted for them.
Keep your eye on that weevil mayor to see what he and Don Luna are pulling off, they made sure that Don Luna is setting on WSCO's Board as president.
Luna lied in the past about the THE BRIDGES Construction was voted past by the board.
One lie after another in St.Paul's DFL ran government.
Thank all the a holes that tried their best to shut Bill Dahn up about different chemical misshaps that they are having people live in.
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