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Kathy's Clowns
By John H. Hinderaker and Scott W. Johnson
{Appeared in the November/December 1999 edition of the The American Enterprise}
In the early 1970s, the Oakland, California school board hired Dr. Marcus Foster, an African-American from Philadelphia, as superintendent of its troubled school system. Dr. Foster initiated a number of reforms that began to yield promising results, but also aroused the anger of critics on the left. On November 6, 1973, as Dr. Foster was walking from his office to his car, three men stepped out from the shadows and opened fire. They shot Dr. Foster five times with bullets that had been dipped in cyanide. The next day, a previously-unknown organization called the Symbionese Liberation Army claimed responsibility for Dr. Foster's murder.
The SLA has occasionally been characterized in the media as a "leftist militia" and a "1970s revolutionary group." These descriptions are accurate enough; the SLA's manifesto declared "Revolutionary War Against the Fascist Capitalist Class," and described the organization as "socialistic." In reality, however, the SLA was nothing more or less than a criminal gang. Its principal activities were murder, bank robbery and kidnapping. It never had more than a dozen members, and is not known to have participated in any political activity. (While recent discussions of the SLA have generally viewed that organization in the context of the antiwar movement of the 1960s and early 1970s, most of the group's activities actually occurred after American involvement in Vietnam had substantially ended.) Like many other Marxist groups, the SLA advocated violence. What separated the SLA from most other radical organizations was the willingness of its members actually to commit murder.
In 1974, the SLA carried out its most notorious crime, the kidnapping of newspaper heiress Patricia Hearst, then 19 years old. The group imprisoned Hearst in a closet and repeatedly raped her over a period of weeks, until she agreed to join her captors.
This was the "army" that Kathy Soliah, age 27, joined in 1974 with full knowledge and approval of its criminal history. She did not have to wait long for her first SLA crime. In January 1975, the gang decided to rob the Guild Savings and Loan in Sacramento, California. According to Hearst's 1982 autobiography, Kathy Soliah was "eager to get on with her first real action." She was not, however, assigned an active role. She watched the bank robbery from a store across the street.
Elated by the success of the Guild job, the gang planned another bank robbery. This time they targeted the Crocker National Bank in Carmichael, California. This was the first time her SLA colleagues permitted Kathy Soliah to participate actively in a felony.
The Crocker bank robbery took place on April 21, 1975. The night before, according to Hearst, Soliah and two other SLA members stole license plates from cars at the University of California and put the stolen plates on two stolen cars that the gang intended to use in the robbery. Soliah was part of the four-person assault team that robbed the bank. Hearst's account describes Soliah as carrying a carbine and pistol during the robbery. Other SLA members waited in the stolen getaway cars.
The SLA's leader, Bill Harris, appointed his wife Emily to command the assault team inside the bank. Emily carried a shotgun and, like the other gang members, wore a ski mask and wig. The bank robbers burst into the Crocker Bank and ordered the bank customers to lie on the floor. According to news reports, they kicked and stomped on the customers, many of whom were elderly. While the robbery was in progress, a 42-year-old woman named Myrna Opsahl entered the bank. A mother of four, she was depositing the previous Sunday's collection of the Carmichael Seventh Day Adventist Church. Emily Harris ordered Mrs. Opsahl to lie down on the floor. Mrs. Opsahl, bewildered, failed to comply quickly enough to satisfy Harris. Harris shoved her shotgun into Mrs. Opsahl's stomach and pulled the trigger.
Not surprisingly, Emily Harris later claimed that the shotgun discharged "accidentally." But she showed no remorse over Mrs. Opsahl's murder. Hearst quotes her as saying, "Oh, she's dead, but it doesn't really matter. She was a bourgeois pig anyway. Her husband is a doctor." Dr. Opsahl was a surgeon, and he was working at the hospital where Mrs. Opsahl was taken after the shooting. He was summoned, too late. Dr. Opsahl found his wife dead on an operating table.
The Crocker Bank robbery and the murder of Myrna Opsahl caused the authorities to intensify their efforts to apprehend the SLA, and the members of the gang were forced even deeper underground. There is no evidence that Kathy Soliah regretted Opsahl's murder. She did not break with the SLA or the Harrises. On the contrary, she continued to live with the Harrises and supported Bill Harris in the gang's perpetual power struggles.
The SLA's next "revolutionary action" was to place pipe bombs under cars in San Francisco and Emeryville, California, in hopes of killing policemen and, presumably, passersby. Some of the bombs went off, but no one was killed.
In August 1975, the gang planned a more ambitious, two-pronged bomb attack. According to Hearst, Bill Harris divided the SLA into two groups. One group was assigned to bomb the Marin County Civic Center. This team succeeded in planting two bombs in the Civic Center; they went off, but fortunately no one was killed.
The SLA's plan was to strike simultaneously in the Bay area and in Los Angeles. Thus, while the Marin County bombers went about their work, Bill Harris, Kathy Soliah, and Soliah's SLA lover drove to Los Angeles, armed with pipe bombs, in search of a suitable target. Harris told Hearst that he had built a new kind of pipee bomb, twelve inches long an made from three-inch diameter pipe, filled with gunpowder and construction nails. These weapons, called "anti-personnel bombs" by Harris because of the nails, were to be used by the Los Angeles group.
Hearst relates that Harris, Soliah and their comrade cruised Los Angeles looking for a suitable site to bomb. They first settled on a hotel convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, where their "anti-personnel bombs" could have killed a large number of veterans. They brought the bombs into the VFW meeting in an attache case. However, they apparently aroused the suspicion of a guard. Fearful that they were being watched, they left the convention without planting their bombs.
The three gang members later reported that after driving around for a while, they decided to plant the bombs underneath police cars. They succeeded in planting their bombs under two police cars, primed to explode when the cars moved. Fortunately, however, when the first police vehicle later pulled away from the curb, the bomb failed to explode and remained lying in the street. Two children found the bomb and began playing with it. Still the bomb did not go off. Shortly thereafter, an adult recognized that the children's plaything was a bomb and called the police. The second bomb was quickly found and defused.
It was this attempted bombing for which Kathy Soliah was indicted in 1976. Not long after the bomb scheme, the SLA broke up for good and its members went their separate ways. Kathy Soliah, who stayed with the gang to the bitter end, forged a new identity, calling herself Sara Jane Olson, apparently as a tribute to Sara Jane Moore, who had recently tried unsuccessfully to assassinate President Ford. Soliah had her name legally changed to Sara Jane Olson this summer.
Kathy Soliah was arrested in St. Paul, Minnesota twenty-four years after the crime for which she was indicted, conspiracy to commit murder. The local response to her arrest was a vast outpouring of support. Democratic state legislators and former St. Paul mayoral candidates Andy Dawkins and Sandy Pappas were her most outspoken and visible defenders. Pappas, for whom Soliah had raised campaign funds, attacked the FBI for tracking her down and wondered aloud, "Don't they have any real crimes to fight?" It is difficult to imagine what crimes Ms. Pappas considers more "real" than murder, bank robbery, and attempted murder. Welfare reform, perhaps.
Dawkins' comments on the case were equally bizarre. He has invoked events from Selma, Alabama to Kent State in defense of Ms. Soliah, as though they could somehow explain why it was reasonable to rob banks, assault bank customers, kill Myrna Opsahl, and attempt to murder war veterans and policemen. Dawkins says that the allegations against Soliah, if true, represent "a momentary lapse in judgment."
It is perhaps not surprising that Soliah would receive support from Democratic officeholders of the flakier sort. What is more surprising is the undeniable grass-roots movement that has emerged on her behalf. Soliah's friends and allies have produced a cookbook containing her favorite recipes, held benefits to demonstrate their support, and raised $1 million to bail her out of jail. Local church groups and the "theater community," in which Soliah was active, have rallied to her defense.
No less interesting than the magnitude of Soliah's support are the virtues with which her advocates credit her. She is described as a "Democratic activist," "a true humanitarian," a "social activist, marathon runner, volunteer and soccer mom," an actress who hosts fund raisers for Democratic candidates, a gourmet cook who "is involved in every peace and justice issue that comes along." Peace and justice. Soliah's brother encapsulated her defense in these words: "There's not this dichotomy between what Kathy was and what she is now. She was doing the same things in the early '70's." Terrorist or soccer mom; there's not much difference, from a leftist point of view, as long as you're devoted to "peace and justice."
There is no comparable phenomenon on the right. It is impossible to imagine a murderer active in a right wing cause--say, an assassin of abortionists--arrested after twenty years on the run, enlisting comparable support among conservatives. The "hunting community" would not rally to his defense; his status as a "football dad" would not be advanced by anyone as a reason why he should escape punishment; and surely no newspaper would suggest that his activity on behalf of Republican candidates or his devotion to the causes of unborn children or lower taxes should mitigate the legal penalties otherwise awaiting him.
What awaits Kathy Soliah, regrettably, is something other than punishment for her crimes. The criminal case against her is weak. It is nearly twenty-five years old, key witnesses have died, and Patricia Hearst, the only witness who could definitely tie Soliah to the crimes she committed, has said that she wants to forget the entire era and will not willingly cooperate with her prosecution. Soliah might be tried and acquitted, but most likely she will plead guilty to a minor offense in exchange for a nominal penalty. Such an outcome will be hailed by Soliah and her supporters as a vindication. It will be seen by them, and by those who rely on the daily newspapers for their information, as proof that Soliah did nothing that was particularly blameworthy, or perhaps that Sara Jane Olson was not Kathy Soliah after all. The airbrushing of history will continue.
The reality, however, will be quite different. However modest its success may ultimately be, the prosecution of Kathy Soliah--who has never uttered a single word of public regret for her crimes with the SLA--demonstrates that some Americans and American institutions are still devoted to justice. Some refuse to forget Myrna Opsahl. Some still care about the veterans and police officers that Soliah tried her best to murder. Against a near-inexorable tide of muddleheadedness, political convenience and historical revisionism, justice hangs on by its fingernails.
John Hinderaker and Scott Johnson are Minneapolis attorneys and adjunct fellows of the Claremont Institute.
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Read this again!!!!
There is no comparable phenomenon on the right. It is impossible to imagine a murderer active in a right wing cause--say, an assassin of abortionists--arrested after twenty years on the run, enlisting comparable support among conservatives. The "hunting community" would not rally to his defense; his status as a "football dad" would not be advanced by anyone as a reason why he should escape punishment; and surely no newspaper would suggest that his activity on behalf of Republican candidates or his devotion to the causes of unborn children or lower taxes should mitigate the legal penalties otherwise awaiting him.
ARE YOU f'ING KIDDING ME???
The right wing nut cases right now are laughing their asses off about a Doctor being shot to death in his church! And a leader in the keep the woman barefoot and pregnant movement (jokingly refered to as pro-life) IS TRYING TO BUY THE DOCTOR'S NOW OUT OF BUSINESS CLINIC SO THAT THE GOOLS CAN CELEBRATE!!!
This is flat out the most stupid thing you have ever posted Bob.
Right now when those women haters are bathing in the blood of that brave doctor and for years they have had web sites congratulating those who attack and kill those who would protect the rights of women.
Poor taste Bob.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Face it Rpeke.....the DFL goes to bat for their own felons while they try to run other less connected ones out of town.
Chuck, as usual you have an opinion. This story is a request from a reader who has been reading the blog for years. They have a right to their opinion too and I agree with some of the statements made in this story.
I believe the statements made about Kathy are true. And I think Dawkins is a clown in more ways than one.
Dawkins is one of the fools who believe they can control crime through housing code enforcement. He doesn't care how many folks rights he violates as long as in his mind he can convince himself and others that these citizens lives he ruined were of less stature than he or them. That is "distasteful" and demented.
Questions for the readers
1. The Uni-Bomber, left or right wing kook?
2. The Oklahoma City Bomber, left or right wing kook?
My point, Nut's are Nut's no matter what party they affiliate themselves with.
Bob, you have alot of requests for storys to be posted by
" Anonymous " .
Whats up, they don't have a name ?
Are you sure it's not you ?
Chuck has made some very good points. Poor taste I agree.
Lewis
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"My point, Nut's are Nut's no matter what party they affiliate themselves with."
Rather than what party they affiliate themselves with I would think it more important to ask what party has claimed these nut jobs. What Republican went to bat for unibomber or the Oklahoma guy? Would none be too many?
In the case at hand, the DFL establishment clearly took ownership when their elite flakes went to bat for terrorism and the rest sat back and said nothing.
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Lewis, I have no reason to lie to anyone here about a request for a topic. What is your problem, haven't you been able to find my name on any controversial topics here? I think at least 85% of the controversial topics here have my name on them.
If you still don't believe this topic was a request, e mail me and I will forward you the email requesting this topic. Of coarse I will withhold the name.
You will not discredit this town hall by attempting to tarnish my name.
Folks the Una Bomber was a left wing kook.
So are you saying that left wing kooks are uni bombers?
My response;
The point I was making is, there is fanatics (kooks) in both the democrat and republican parties.
Most of us know the Oklahoma bomber was a right wing fanatic. I think citizens should take a closer look at joining the Libertarian Party. :) NO, fanatics there.
What set's this issue here apart from all these other high profile incidents is well known dfler's like Dawkins and company came out in support of Kathy S.. They embarrassed her instead of admonishing her. The things they did and said in support of Kathy is kooky. They could of shown Kathy support privately. To come out publicly the way Dawkins and Pappas did is an embarrassment to the DFL party and the citizens of Minnesota. Just shameful. But then what are we to expect from the kooks of the DFL party in Minnesota? Not only did they embrace a terrorist publicly, they turned Wellstones passing into a circus. These types of issues leave us folks who have the ability to reason shaking our heads in bewilderment. "What were you fools thinking"?
Bob here is the difference. The post falsely claims that the right would never rally around someone who had committed an act of violence.
The facts are that "Kathy's clowns" were saying that the woman had changed when she was on the run, and became a good person and to punish her for the past, was a punishment for the purpose of punishment, not to protect society, because she wasn't a violent nut job anymore. They were asking for what they saw as reasonableness. They believe that you lock people up to protect us from them, not to pay them back for their behavior. You may believe something else, and that is OK, but you should understand that some view jails as a place you put people that may hurt us, not to hurt them.
But what we see with the Doctor Killers is an entire section of society and many of them elected officials that cheer these deranged murders on. They don't want them punished they create monuments to them on the WEB rejoicing at there willingness to walk into a church and shoot a man down in cold blood.
The believe that women should be barefoot and pregnant. Their religious beliefs are from the 3rd century and they are as crazy as the religious nut jobs that flew planes into the world trade center.
There is no doubt that this doctor killer if given a chance would kill more people. He needs to be locked up to protect us.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
I question why Hearst was not jailed. I don't believe she was brainwashed.
But, the courts decided that her involvement with the SLA and her alleged circumstances is enough to let her walk.
The attorney general believed that after seeingvideo footage of hearst hold a carbine, that Hearst was a willing participant, not a victim . He swore out a warrant for her arrest.
Patty Hearst told authorities of the things that were done to her with no proof that they actually happened. ie. locked in closets, raped etc.
Pattey Hearst got off the hook because her father was famous and because of national sympathy, and unverified stories of brainwashing and torture.
Yet we refuse to acknowledge that Kathy Soliah has led a reformed life without the assistance of prison reform. Whatever that is.
Whoever believes that only the Department of Corrections can rehabilitate people needs to re-evalute that belief.
I don't condone Kathys actions, but I she deserves more attention for giving up that lifestyle.
Patty Hearst on the otherhand, was not held to the same standard.
Maybe a double standard.
Jeff Matiatos
Bob, think about it. Do we all really regret or feel remorse when we beat the tar out of someone for whatever reason,only to have a court of law tell us we were wrong for doing it ?
I am sure Kathy has her regrets, and some of the public is stil angry, but she, like most of us, still hold on to some justification for our actions.
I can tell you that alot of people at one time or another, have felt like killing someone.
Have you ? If so, you better be remorseful. Otherwise, turn yourself in to a psyc hospital for your murderous thoughts. I am with Chuck on this one.
Jeff Matiatos
Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff... I really do wonder what planet you live on? What color is the sky there? You know I like you but the facts are....
Hearst was convicted of bank robbery on March 20, 1976. She was sentenced to 35 years imprisonment, but her sentence was later commuted to seven years. Her prison term was also eventually commuted by President Jimmy Carter, and Hearst was released from prison on February 1, 1979, having served 22 months. She was granted a full pardon by President Bill Clinton on January 20, 2001.
This was a woman who was kidnapped, assaulted, raped and brainwashed. She paid dearly for the crime of having been a victim of these evil people.
It is amazing that she survived at all.
But since she participated in the bank robbery... even though any rational person would get that this young woman had been totally brain washed, she was sent off to PRISON and sat there for 2 years before Carter on his way out of office freed her.
Once she was out of her captors hands she was no threat to anyone. But we took our pound of flesh out of this young girl, whose safe and protected life had been destroyed by thes nut jobs.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Ya Chuck, I left out some magor details and screwed up on my facts.
The point that is important is that if Hearst can be found guilty at all, and she was, why should she be pardoned and commuted and folks like Bob, call anyone clowns because those alleged clowns understand what we do about moving on and making a better life ?
The authorities got their conviction and agreed that Kathy would do her time in California and be out.
It's not good enough for Bob but justice was served. The authorities arn't interested at this point, about remorse.
Jeff Matiatos
Did the people (a jury) convict Hearst because she committed a crime ? It appears so.
Was Hearst pardoned because the Government felt sorry for her ? It appears so.
If they felt sorry for her later, then why convict her at all ? Or I suppose all that prison time was to let her reflect on her torture and rape ?
What is this, a monkey house style of justice ?
Well one thing seems consistant, is that a parole board decided to cut Kathys 20 years to life sentence.
She earned it, but not out of sympathy.
One more thing Chuck, you kind of cut your nose to spite your face when you try to correct people here.
You don't need to insult people here to make your point.
Thats why people here have a common disliking for you. Eric does the same thing.
Jeff Matiatos
I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.
I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.
But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts.
I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.
In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.
All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.
If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot.
That's the Hippocratic oath.
It used to be sworn by physicians upon graduation, but in the 1970's, some med schools abandoned it....no doubt because they had started training the future Dr. Frankenstien's that spread out across the country to crush the skulls of unborn children and hoik them from the womb.
I don't condone murdering Dr. Frankenstein, but the world is a better place without him.
Jeff said speaking of Chuck;
Thats why people here have a common disliking for you. Eric does the same thing.
My response;
First of all Jeff, you are the one who doesn't like Chuck and Eric, most of us do. You don't like anyone who disagrees with you. Most people here commonly enjoy Chuck's and Eric's candor even though they do not agree with them. Every time they stop posting for a awhile folks at the blog are egging them on to come back and they email me asking me to try and get them back.
Jeff said;
I can tell you that alot of people at one time or another, have felt like killing someone.
Have you ? If so, you better be remorseful. Otherwise, turn yourself in to a psyc hospital for your murderous thoughts. I am with Chuck on this one.
My response;
Jeff, I have NEVER ever thought about killing someone. That is better left to disturbed angry minds. I can only ponder your thinking concerning this statement.
The point I am making here is DAWKINS AND OTHER CLOWNS in the city, have done a lot to run innocent folks from their homes using code compliance to circumvent civil rights. Folks they deemed bottom of the barrel.
One of those citizens deemed bottom of the barrel was a guy who had a felony record 5 years old. He hadn't committed any crime in over 5 years, was law abiding and yet Dawkins and company didn't want him in the neighborhood because of bigoted out cries from neighbors about this man. They went out of their way to deprive this man of housing and the home owner of her home just to appease their agenda and the bigoted neighbors. Then these same clowns defend a woman who has committed heinous crimes that far exceed anything this man had ever committed. The clowns have created policies that have made it almost impossible for an ex felon to get rental housing in the city. Hypocrites. But then again Kathy was raising $ for the DFL party and active in other ways.
It is good Kathy S. changed her life. It was a mockery of justice how the bitch reacted after she was caught. NO REMOARSE WHAT SO EVER! But she had her friends in the DFL comforting her, and she had her cook books to sell.
Jeff and Chuck, fortunately your opinions are of a minority. Many DFLers feel the clowns of the party should of kept thier nose out of this issue publically
Personally I could careless if this woman lived next door to me. The past is the past. I take issues with these hypocritical clowns of the city who pick and choose what citizens should be allowed to live here.
To all the ex-crooks living in Saint Paul, come and get sanctified, appease the dfl party and you have a home in Saint Paul. If you don't they will seek you out and condemn you from your home. :)
Well, a common dis-liking doesn't have to mean a total dis-liking.
Eric and Chuck really know alot about what they know respectivly.
And,we can agree to disagree.
I don't take offence against those who correct me. With me, it's how it's done.
It really wasn't hurtful the way Chuck corrected me because his corrections were correct and factual. He gets my drift.
Bob, the only remoarse you get out of catholics is in confession. Then, they are sinners the next day.
Call it pride whatever, but I believe Kathy is remoarseful within herself.
She doesn't owe you or I an explanation other than to serve her sentence.
With the family of her victims, thats another story in my opinion.
She was a criminal for what she did, she did her time and moves on.
She is not the only criminal ever released to not denounce their crimes.
She is doing things for the better and thats what counts.
I think your bullshitting when you say you have never thought of wanting to kill someone.
What idiot would come out and say it ?
These clowns you refer to, like em or not, have a right to speak out.
I take the view though that it's hypocritical for our Governor to oppose Kathy coming back to Minnesota.
As a lawyer, he should accept that the wheels of justice has turned on this case and Kathy is a free woman.
Jeff Matiatos
"Every time they stop posting for a awhile folks at the blog are egging them on to come back and they email me asking me to try and get them back."
Spesak fopr yourslef loudmouth! That damn Reepke makes my head hurt when I read his shit. I wish he'd go away and stay away.
Well, thanks 8:29 I thought I was on the wrong blog...
I got lured here by Bob because it is one of few places where there is a frank discussion about the rights of the landed gentry vs the public's right to govern the country.
I end up in these other fights because some of the people that are insulted here are friends of mine and I think they ought to at least get some comment as to what they may have been thinking.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
So, back to the debate...
Swiftee, a true believer in the woman should be barefoot and pregnant and that we ought to being the world back to the dark ages so that everyone can be happy in their hut, brings up the original Hippocratic Oath which proves my point.
"...will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion."
Know what a "pessary" is Swiftee me boy? A pessary would be best described as a contraceptive device. Something that was inserted into the vagina to make sure a woman didn't become pregnant.
Can have that can we Swiftee. Have to keep that old time religion, keep the women barefoot and pregnant, make sure everyone knows that the sun goes around the Earth or we will burn them at the stake.
Like I said... dancing in the blood of the murdered doctor and Bob posts this silly shit that a few DFL'ers were easy on someone who was on the run for twenty years and didn't even get a jay walking ticket in that time.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Like I said... dancing in the blood of the murdered doctor and Bob posts this silly shit that a few DFL'ers were easy on someone who was on the run for twenty years and didn't even get a jay walking ticket in that time.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
My response;
Fact is Dawkins and others are Hypocrites Chuck.
Handy Andy favors ex-criminals with Kathy S.'s social standing who have gone on a rampage of terrorism. After all she is his friend and helps raise money for the DFL party.
But when it comes to the average low income ex-con Andy doesn't want them living in the city. He went out of his way to condemn low income families suspected of behaviorial issue to the street. He even condemned terminally ill folks from their homes. None of these citizens committed the serious crimes Andy's friend did. Many of them committed no crime at all.
But yet Handy Andy was on a mission to rid the city of crime and bring up the value of the housing stock in the city. None of his objectives have been met. In fact crime has risen and we all know how hard it is to get rid of these vacant homes blighting the city. Handy Andy has been out of the publics eye for sometime, away from the critism he so rightfully deserves.
Any smart crook with cash, should get in touch with Handy Andy if they want any favoritism from the City of Saint Paul.
Yeah know, Dapper Dan would be proud of you Andy. I'm not so sure he would like that you hang out with someone known to plant car bombs. Nope don't think Dapper would like that.
It is time for you good DFLers to admonish the flakes of the party who have caused so much damaged to the integrity of this city.
Bob, try that again...
Andy supports people who have turned their life around. I assume Andy thought that a good punishment for Kathy would have been to do a million hours of volunteer service, maybe to seniors or those in hospitals as payment to her debt to society, instead of putting her behind bars to get our pound of flesh for a twenty year old crime.
What Andy would have issue with is the current drug dealer, or party house, or crack house or chop shop that springs up in the neighborhood. I am guessing that he would like them to STOP after the second arrest or third arrest or twentieth police call.
There is a difference and it has nothing to do with money or party affiliation it has to do with is the person actively hurting other people.
You're not that dumb Bob.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Bob,
I'm going to assume you were drunk when you wrote all of this crap.
Eric
Chuck said " You're not that dumb Bob ".
Really ? Maybe only a little huh ?
Nope, I wasn't drinking Eric. :)
I could be in a drunken stupor and make more sense than Andy Dawkins policies on housing. And I am sure a large percentage of this audience agrees with me.
Sara, if you are reading here. I take no offense of you. You served your time. You contribute to society in positive ways. You just happen to be the vehicle in which I am able to stress my point concerning Andy Dawkins. That's just the way it is. The mistakes of our past continually come back to haunt us only now we are older we use our anger in positive ways. These attorneys who wrote this story, had the same idea using you to make a point. I am guessing they done it for political reasons.
I have met your daughter and know some of her friends. My ole lady use to work with her at Perkins in Highland. You raised her well. May God Bless you!
Folks I just noticed a mistake in my 9:30 post
"They embarrassed her instead of admonishing her"
The word should have been "embraced" not embarrassed
:)
Chuck said;
Bob, try that again...
Andy supports people who have turned their life around.
My response;
Yeah right Chuck, only when it is Andy's friends.
Chuck if what you say is true, then why is there so much evidence in the Fair Housing Lawsuits that shows Andy would kick even a dying woman to the curb to get her out of her house?
Chuck said;
What Andy would have issue with is the current drug dealer, or party house, or crack house or chop shop that springs up in the neighborhood.
My response;
And who wouldn't have issues with this. Contrary to what you want folks to believe here Chuck, there isn't a landlord here who wants tenants with these kinds of issues.
The problem I have with Andy is he has used a back door to circumvent civil rights of the folks he suspects of these crimes. And most often that is all it is, a suspicion. No charges, no jail time for anyone and yet innocent folks were condemned to the street not once but hundreds of times over suspected behavioral issues.
It didn't stop with criminal behavioral issues. Andy and clowns condemned elderly sick folks from there homes. Handicap folks from their homes, innocent woman and children who's only fault was they may or may not of had a criminal inclined family member.
Anything to get inside and write code violations was Andy's objective. Andy is the ultimate gestapo officer.
Don't think for one minute you folks reading here that this is just an issue with renters and the proverbial slumlord. Many private home owners have been condemned to the street. Families who have inherited homes have lost them to the clowns of code enforcement.
Not just one home but several. It makes a fella wonder if Old Stevie Magner of code enforcement and Company aren't reading the obituaries and swooping in like vultures on deceased citizens homes.
Now Chuck and Eric, don't make me do my home work and post links to Andy's dastardly deeds.
You can always tell when you're dealing with Wikipedia wisemen....they're always wrong.
Repke, the pessary Hippocrates has in mind was a bundle of herbs that was inserted to cause an abortion...like it says.
It's kind of like using your head like an enema.
Swiftee, Swiftee Swiftee.... IUD's have been around since the dawn of time. Since women figured out what made them pregnant they have been trying to figure out how to have sex and not have babies. An IUD or pessary was way that women would insert something into them that would force a miscarriage be that the forerunner to the copper seven (which was used as early as ancient Egypt) or a mixture of one kind or another that would stimulate a miscarriage.
Also since the dawn of time there has been religion of one kind or another. And one of the basic premises of those religions is that the small and week must do what the big and powerful say. And a basic of that is that men dominate woman and that women are chattel to be owned by their men. One of their jobs is to produce babies for their men.
So, it isn't strange that the ancient Greeks would have in their morals that no MAN doctor should ever interfere with another man's domination over his woman and allow her a way to control her own body.
...and just how often do you make a sacrifice to Zeus Swiftee...?
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
"An IUD or pessary was way that women would insert something into them that would force a miscarriage .."
Are you drunk, or just incredibly stoopid Repke? No, really; go back and read what I wrote.
So, since you don't subscribe to any religion, you're good to go with infanticide.
Well, that's par for the course with you lefty mongrels, isn't it.
But for most rational human beings, when it comes to killing babies, we just know it's wrong without having to read it or have anyone explain why; if it needs to be explained, you wouldn't understand anyway.
But by all means, please encourage your whelps to hoik 'em out as fast as they can. I recommend they use a can opener.
Removing yourselves from the gene pool can't happen fast enough to put you Darwin throwbacks off planet for the rest of us.
The problem I have with Andy is he has used a back door to circumvent civil rights of the folks he suspects of these crimes. And most often that is all it is, a suspicion. No charges, no jail time for anyone and yet innocent folks were condemned to the street not once but hundreds of times over suspected behavioral issues.
It didn't stop with criminal behavioral issues. Andy and clowns condemned elderly sick folks from there homes. Handicap folks from their homes, innocent woman and children who's only fault was they may or may not of had a criminal inclined family member.
Anything to get inside and write code violations was Andy's objective. Andy is the ultimate gestapo officer.
Lies, lies, lies.
When you are ready to step in the real world Bob, let us know.
Eric
Eric, I know you feel a responsibility to defend these flaky politicians you pimp to the public.
I have posted one story after another here from citizens who make the same claims the city was malicious in their dealings with them over housing issues. And they don't even know each other. How can hundreds of folks who don't know each other all be lying? These citizens stories is my credibility.
What's up Eric.. Take a little bit of a beating from the social elites of SPIF and now you are here trying to win your way back into their good graces?
Those 'social elites' who's asses have been at he end of my foot- are some of the same 'anonymous' posters here. Same result there, new shoes for me, Preparation H for them.
I don't think I've pimped anything to public in the way of the names you've named. I defend Andy Dawkins because I can remembering following his legislative record for years. It was interesting to me to see how a white guy, who represents a majority of minorities (Asians and blacks)would not only vote but, what issues he would come out in front of. I didn't always agree with Dawkins but, he erred on the side of civil rights each and every time. You want to talk about taxes and such, that's something that may be debatable but, trying to paint a different picture of someone who has a 25 year plus public service record because your friends didn't live up to the agreement (city ordinances) that they went in with is,- well, its bullshite.
Once again, there are not hundreds of stories of people losing their homes to illegal code enforcement. In your next post, name a dozen with a sentence behind each one on how they lost their home to 'illegal' code enforcement. You've been saying it over and over. Name names. Be sure to tell us how Dawkins was involved.
The only one being pimped around here is you. I don't understand you, in one breath you claim the mantle to civil rights and you care about everyday people, on the other you come here and do the bidding for the slumlords who don't two damns about these people unless they can use their status to sue the city or accuse the city of wrongdoing.
Code enforcement does not kick people out. Property owners who refuse to keep their property up to code, I repeat, REFUSE to keep their property up to code are the reasons that some renters lose their home.
The other part of that is that its just not cheap trying to keep a home up. Some people cannot afford to keep up a house. Some couldn't afford to pay taxes on the property and some couldn't afford decent insulation, some could not make the plumbing and electrical repairs. When you buy a home, you agree to abide by all ordinances. The building and safety codes are all within the ordinances. These are normal across the country.
So, who's side are you really on Bob? Tell us a dozen people who were victims of Dawkins or code enforcement.
Eric
Code enforcement destroys elderly womans life.
Code enforcement out of control
Eric better yet, I will make a topic of this.
Titled- The victims of code enforcement.
I expect more and so far, Nancy seems to be the only victim.
As tragic as Betty's case is, her house was in heavy violation on the inside (and probably contributed to her bad health), she couldn't afford to keep it up.
Betty wasn't a victim.
With dozens of examples as you said, I'm sure you have more.
Eric
Eric said;
Those 'social elites' who's asses have been at he end of my foot- are some of the same 'anonymous' posters here. Same result there, new shoes for me, Preparation H for them.
*From the bowels of Saint Paul Issues and Forums.
From: Eric Mitchell Date: Jun 26 17:18 UTC Short link
http://tinyurl.com/nku95f
"A downtown St. Paul resident making her routine visit to a park with
her dog this morning was struck in an intersection by a garbage truck
and killed, police said.
The 70-year-old was hit about 5:30 a.m. at 5th and Sibley Sts. as
she was taking her dog to Mears Park, said police Sgt. Paul Schnell."
5:30am?
Maybe now some action?
How long has it been since garbage services were privatized?
Is it not time to examine making this a city function again?
I pay about $30/month for garbage removal service (some garbage). It seems that
we should be able to finance a waste division of public works on half of that
from each household. Maybe not.
What we gain for the most part is accountability. As we are able to call and
complain about other city services and move our representatives and the mayor
to action, we would be able to do the same with garbage services.
Just a thought.
Eric Mitchell
Phalen
From: Dave Thune Date: Jun 26 20:46 UTC Short link
This death was a tragedy.
I think it is not appropriate to use it as a discussion heading or a debate
about private collection vs municipal
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Eric, code enforcement munipulated their way into Betty's house. I will argue the points of this issue under the new topic "The victims of code enforcement.
Bob, you are so simple sometimes.
So, now you stand with E-Democracy? I know you're obsessed with the quality of debate over there versus here. That was not my last post by the way.
Next, its subjective on how they got it since legally, any emergency service (ie fire department) can enter your home without owners permission. Now hearing was held on the method used. I'm sure a representative from the Fire Department was there.
This is the main point, the house was not safe for habitation. No one is debating this.
Her sons should have kept better tabs on their mom living alone if they were going to support her living in the house.
As I said before, everyone is not fit to maintain a home. Some people can pay the monthly note, but not the maintenance. That's a problem. Some people lease, because they cannot keep up with maintenance, which is part of home ownership.
This is not against Betty, who my have been the nicest woman in St Paul. According to the law, the inside of her was not fit for habitation. She had to leave.
For those concerned, why would her kids leave her to live like that? WTF? When the son showed up to picket the condemnation, he should got his ass kicked for letting his mom live like that.
Where are your priorities?
Bob, you help strangers keep up their place, why can't relatives look out for their elderly relatives especially when they gave birth to you and raised you?
Anyway, according to the law, the house was uninhabitable, it was not brought up to code within the reasonable time and it was condemned.
There seems to be nothing here that makes this criminal on behalf of the city or discriminatory.
You can point out where I'm wrong.
Eric
"As tragic as Betty's case is, her house was in heavy violation on the inside (and probably contributed to her bad health), she couldn't afford to keep it up."
I remember seeing the inside of Betty's house. I took photos of it for the Watchdog paper.
The only thing that's lies Eric is what you try to make us believe. The house was in fine shape minus the few small violations every home in the city has.
Stop lying Eric.
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