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Hi All,
Today a lot of fine DFLers go to their caucus.
I will make an appearance at all of the locations. I will be informing citizens of what Mayor Coleman doesn't want them to know.
This is the beginning of a campaign to unseat Mayor Coleman for serving HIS interest and not the interest of the citizens.
See you all at the caucus.
Many citizens claim they do not have a voice in our district councils. Go to the link above and you decide.
There is many story's of women and children being condemned to the street with no place to go.
Take the time to go through the story's of this Town Hall and you will be shocked.
Do not forget Coleman was a city council member before he became the mayor. terrible things have been going on for many years.
The elderly have fallen victim to this city's preditory housing code enforcement.
Click above
Read a story of how the city was less than honest in demolishing a home.
And see evidence of theft by a city hired contractor done all in the presents of a city code enforcement officer.
Linked above is a story of a code enforcement officer who claims the Department of Safety and Inspections was stealing money from home owners.
This was breaking news here at A Democracy Town Hall. This forum is the site of numerous breaking news stories.
Code enforcement sent them to the grave.
Click above
Hi All,
On the front page to the right of the screen, scroll down to the image of our mayor. Beneath the image is the flier the volunteers passed out this evening.
We were busy tonight. We distribute thousands of fliers to citizens in the city.
I want to thank Bill Dahn, Mike Smith, my son, Cinnamon, Ralph, JP and all the volunteers who wish to remain anonymous. Thank you for your time and donations.
We can make a difference!
If we take the mayor down ( the election ), shouldn't the city council go to ?
If they donated money to your cause, they won't be anonymous for long Bob.
Unless, you're breaking the law, you'll have to file a committee and report your donors the moment you go over $100. Finally your blog is going to get looked at by government workers.
Oh, missed you on the East Side tonight Bob.
Eric
Sending folks to their grave the way they did is man slaughter at the very least.
Anyone ever seek prosecution ?
We should have asked Nancy Lazaryan to arrest em for man slaughter.
No kidding either !
Jeff Matiatos
So Bob. Did you make it to all of the caucuses? How about filling us in?? What and who did you see and hear? And where?
Eric said;
If they donated money to your cause, they won't be anonymous for long Bob.
My response;
You are one funny guy Eric. You DFLers will do whatever you can to circumvent the 1st. amendment.
These folks donated to THEIR CAUSE!
I received no money Eric. Should be your cause too, but you have your career to think about in the DFL party.
Bob, saw that you put notes on the cars in the parking lot at HUMBOLDT, but didn't see any of your folks come inside.
We had a good turnout of DFL'ers considering a Ward 2 all in one night, no one running against the Mayor convention.
We filled out all 77 delegates to the City Convention and had about 20 alternates. Must have had 125-150 people caucus.
Chris Coleman was there early and left before 7PM.
His wife and daughter and Mayor Latimer spoke for him during the convention.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Anonymous said...
So Bob. Did you make it to all of the caucuses? How about filling us in?? What and who did you see and hear? And where?
11:06 PM
My response;
Well, We hit every caucus and had left over fliers so we passed them out in a residential area. I personally handed a city attorney who I recognized sitting in her car a flier at Highland High school.
There was a large number of police at Harding. We gave them a flier too. They were real appreciative. There was also a large number of police at Humboldt and Como. What the heck does Lantry, Helgen and the Mayor fear. I guess if you screw enough citizens over like they have they are worried about some kook coming out of the wood work.
Chuck, I was to busy to shoot the breeze with all you fine citizens.
Oh, missed you on the East Side tonight Bob.
Eric
Your friends didn't miss us Eric
Bob - was at Humboldt from 5:45 until 9:00 and I never saw any police.
I have no idea where you would have seen them.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
3 squad cars at Harding.
2 squad cars at Como.
We all thought the police were there to defend the citizens from Councilman Helgen if he went bonkers, like he did on me, Haas and Bill Maughey of the Watchdog.
CORRECTION, just got a phone call, no squad cars at Humboltd. Chuck is right.
They didn't need security at Humbolt. They had Repke.
Well at Johnson High, no Bob, no fliers.
Bob, you need to talk to some of your attorney friends. If you engage in political activity and are raising money and organizing- as you freely admit here, you have a Political Action Committee at least.
Listen, no, don't listen to me. Just keep doing your organizing and telling us about it.
You don't know anything about this field and I do. Your First Amendment is not being touched, you just have some hoops to jump through, like with the Second, Third, Fourth (what's left of it) Fifth, and the others.
Being smart, know when you're being handed a gift. File your committee. Or pay the price for ignorance.
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You said that there were a large number of cops at Humboldt and Como, then when Chuck call you out, you say there were TWO squad cars. The Party has to pay for police security and for the facility. Not your tax dollars.
Who's your candidate?
Eric
That is the wonder of this Eric.. NO CANDIDATE.
Eric said;
Well at Johnson High, no Bob, no fliers.
My response;
Johnson was the last school we got to. There was less than fifty cars in the parking lot when we got there. We covered the rest of the caucuses very well. You will see Eric. Your area was a low priority. Didn't I promise you I would go easy on your ward Eric for participating here?
I corrected my error with Chuck, when I was notified of it Eric. I do not pull any cheap shots. 7 schools, it isn't hard for an old fart like me to forget who had cops where and how many. I wasn't driving.
I will take your advice and seek legal council. Thank you. Your knowledge is appreciated.
Bob were you delivering little posters that said anyone But Chris Csleman? If do, I wish you would have knocked on my door and I would have invited you in for coffee. I live by the high school and found one of these on my door. Good work. Keep it up. I'm going to add your blog to my read lsit from now on.
Bill Dahn was driving. I will have him give us a report on the squad cars tomarrow.
Eric, I wasn't making a point of the cost of security. Why did they feel they even need it is my point.
"The Party has to pay for police security and for the facility. Not your tax dollars."
So can ordinary citizens hire these licensed killers or is that reserved just for the DFL party? Are city squad cars included in the buy?
Its required by city ordinance.
We pay for the security and staff that cleans the place. Republicans and any political or for profit group does.
Those conferences/conventions/concerts at the hotel and River Center also pay for cops and clean up.
Eric
Vote Chris Coleman for mayor.
T.C.
Who is running Chris Colemans campaign? Can anyone work on it?
Bob Johnson said...
That is the wonder of this Eric.. NO CANDIDATE
I think you DFLers better scramble for a new candidate who walks the walk and talks the talk. No lip service please.
3 police cars at Harding.
2 parked to the east and north of the parking lot. And one near the front doors.
Bob is a 21st century hustler.
Mayor Coleman doesn't deserve this.
Anonymous said...
Who is running Chris Colemans campaign? Can anyone work on it?
12:42 AM
Who is it Eric?
This is a interesting conversation. I have a serious question tho. The title of this is "Anyone but Chris Coleman Campaign". Can anyone here who wants to get rid of Coleman tell us exactly who is going to run against him? Has anyone identified an opponent to run that can beat Coleman? I hate to say it but you can't lose an election if no one is running against you. Looks like Coleman has raised over $130,000 so far.
I'm just askin'
We are not supporting anyone. This attempt is solely to create pressure for change.
When I started A Democracy Town Hall I wanted it to be a site for all of us in the city to have a place we can come and talk. I prayed this would become a site for the average Joe to have a voice. I am proud of what we have accomplished here. The success of A Democracy doesn't go to a hand full of conservatives. A big part of the credit goes to many DFLers who post and work behind the scenes here.
I thought long and hard about this. I can not support a candidate as the host of this forum. It wouldn't be ethical.
Right, Left, Middle of the road, we don't care who brings us change. Just so it comes, or we will keep bumping these folks out of office one at a time.
SO, Chris better change his stripes real soon or you folks in the DFL better find yourself another candidate.
I'm sure there will be a viable option to Chris for voters to vote for.
On another note, to anyone reading here. The stories I have linked on this topic are just the tip of the ice berg.
Anonymous said...
Bob is a 21st century hustler.
Mayor Coleman doesn't deserve this.
1:10 AM
My response;
This is a sorry attempt at shooting the messenger. What I am is a 21st. century civil rights activist.
The model of A Democracy Town Hall is-
"We are on a truth seeking mission"
Most of the time the truth prevails here.
Interesting conversation over at Saint Paul Issues and Forums on whether Coleman should receive the DFL endorsement.
Sunday, February 1, 2009 4:11 PM
From: This sender is DomainKeys verified "Hope For Saint Paul"
hopeforsaintpaul@gmail.com
To: undisclosed-recipients
As a leader in your community, I am writing you today about a very important
and urgent issue. Please feel free to forward on this message!
With the caucuses leading to the City endorsing convention on Tuesday, it is
time for Progressive St.Paul DFL'ers to make it clear to Chris Coleman that
his leadership (or lack thereof) of the Republican National Convention, the
trampling of free speech rights and the whitewashing of the event by "his
committee" is NOT OKAY. In fact, it is shameful, embarrassing and a disgrace to
our city. It is shameful to our values as a democracy and as progressives!
Leaders like him have no place leading any further! While there may not
currently be any progressive challenger, this could change, and I encourage you
to deny Chris Coleman the DFL endorsement. It is very plausible, given the
rules and the amount of people who have expressed their lack of trust and shame
in having Chris Coleman as Mayor that WE CAN DENY HIM THE DFL ENDORSEMENT!
It only takes 40% of delegates to vote no endorsement! Show up to your caucus
and become a delegate, it's a very easy process.
In addition to his shameful handling of the RNC, Chris Coleman has been an
ineffective, distant and apathetic mayor. He has no MAJOR accomplishment to
show for his tenure (apart from the disaster of the RNC!). Even his 3
re-election campaign mailers last week didn't even list one
accomplishment?!?!?! We deserve progress - we deserve better! We decide who we
endorse - we decide the path of our city by who we pick.
Let's leave the race open for a true progressive to consider entering! Let's
make a clear statement about our values – let's make a clear statement about
free speech, human rights and democracy!
We need a real progressive Mayor, not the conservative Chris Coleman! With a
little time and a little effort we can restore St.Paul to it's progressive
foundations!
p.s. Some may take issue with the anonymity of this email. I know that many of
you will understand that in many instances, especially when dealing with
vindictive individuals, that some anonymity at the beginning of grassroots
campaigns when one is taking on an institutional force and challenging a
structure that has a lot to lose, anonymity can be an unfortunate necessity.
And to be clear, I am not someone, or anyone, who intends on running for Mayor!
Just someone who is disgusted..."
The anonymous dfler said,
p.s. Some may take issue with the anonymity of this email. I know that many of
you will understand that in many instances, especially when dealing with
vindictive individuals, that some anonymity at the beginning of grassroots
campaigns when one is taking on an institutional force and challenging a
structure that has a lot to lose, anonymity can be an unfortunate necessity.
And to be clear, I am not someone, or anyone, who intends on running for Mayor!
Just someone who is disgusted..."
My response;
All of us here at A Democracy are well aware of the low down dirty tactics pulled on folks who oppose this bunch. They will do nothing but open a can of ass whoop if they screw with the folks who oppose them here.
I hear St.Paul spends 65'000 on a bicycle czar !
Much like the story of the Emperor's New Clothing, the City of St. Paul doesn't have any leadership.
Hi All,
I have an announcement.
Thanks to Eric I was very concerned about breaking any law so I sought legal advice.
I can ask the campaign finance board for an "advisory opinion" as to whether what I want to do is legal or not. However, there is other similar examples where an issue like this has already been decided.
I intend to register pronto.
Political Action Committees
Bob,
I don't believe Coleman has the guts to cut police or fire in St.Paul. Let alone anyone working for the city.
Coleman and his administration has divided St.Paul and in order to win re-election, he must TALK about making tough choices like cutting overhead, but doesn't want to actually do it to appease those who will cry about losing one cop on the street.
Typical campaign strategy.
I hate to see people get layed off, but start by rebuilding the tax base in housing by cutting DSI inspectors from the payroll ( or issue a moratorium on illegal and excessive code enforcement ) and getting vacant homes back on line.
Then, cut city employee hours, cut wasteful spending, require neighborhood community service to clean up and maintain neighborhood
parks to cut city costs.
Raise parking meter fees, a special entertainment tax on sporting events in the city.
There are many creative less hurtful ways to gain revenue for the city cofers.
Jeff Matiatos
Lets do the latoffs first. The private sector has to deal with this every day. Why should we live to support the government? That's not what this country is about.
Jeff, I don't think you have any idea how much of your tax money the Governor has decided to not give back to the Cities.
The money we are talking about is enough to fund all of the libraries, the entire parks department and the City Attorney's office. The cuts that are coming are huge.
What is sad is that the Governor gets off of the hook by stealing the money from cities and small towns through out Minnesota.
The monies that he is taking from the cities is called local government aid (LGA). This is monies collect from your income taxes and sent back to the City you live in to help fund city services. The reason this is done is because there isn't a city income tax allowed in Minnesota. So, years and years ago taxes were raised to help keep property taxes down by collect these monies in income taxes and sending them back to the cities.
It gave cities access to your other pocket... the one where your paycheck is in, instead of your house payment money.
So, now the governor is saying, screw local governments we are going to use that money that has been raised for the purpose of keeping property taxes down and going back to local governments to help pay for the state programs that are good for the outstate Republicans that vote for me.
So, instead of that money going to keep a rec center or library open in Saint Paul, it will go to reduce corporate taxes on businesses in Moorehead and Worthington (a tax give away that the governor isn't going to cut). Or, the money will be available to build a road in Bovey or Bagley where the good Republicans live.
He isn't cutting taxes or tax rates he is simply redistributing the wealth to the communities to have more money than us.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
We had a 2 billion dollars surplus about two years ago in this state and what did we do with it ?
What ever happened to that saying you can't get blood from a turnip ?
Surely it applies to just about every city and state affected by the economy.
How can you raise taxes on the citizens of St.Paul or anywhere in the state when the income tax revenue just isn't there because of the economy ?
Without knowing exactly what the city budget is in dollar amounts, or what other projects and services St.Paul deals with on a yearly basis, including the budget for city employee payroll, I couldn't beging to even suggest where the cuts need to be, but we can't blame the Govenor for his proposals.
Doesn't the city have a rainy day fund ?
Most average citizens do.
This city government and its current administration is just as guilty as the legislature for mismanagement at the state level.
The state had a two billion dollar surplus and St.Paul put all its eggs in one basket thinking it could run a city waiting for handouts from the state. Its a shame St.Paul has no cash reserves for a rainy day.
How about re-directig some of that lottery money ?
How about all the millions the state gets from tabacco from the settlement ?
Oh, thats right, skip the dip Humphrey and his band of lawyer friends are still spending it.
Minnesota invests our tax dollars in the stock market.
How are those stocks doing ?
What a state we live in.
Jeff Matiatos
What Chuck objects to is predjudice against dipshits!
Bob and Jeff and other people want to force the dipshits out of St. Paul. Where are the dipshits to go? What about their dipshit spouses and children? There are only so many city jobs to go around. Dipshits have rights also, and they are only trying to create a chickenshit city where they will be welcome.
Well Jeff that was my point on the Governor's proposal to steal money from the cities.
When the state created LGA it raised your taxes for the purpose of giving that money to cities to keep property taxes down.
Now, the governor is saying forget that we need to keep the money for the things I am OK spending money on, not on City issues like cops or firefighters or parks.
The budget crunch for cities have been going on for at least sixteen years. There were no increases in the City's portion of the property tax levi in 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, or 2007 anything that would look like a rainy day fund was spend during a prior administration.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
The state always gave money to cities and counties without a special LGA fund.
LGA seemed to be a bailout fund for cities that mismanaged their budgets.
I think about the last 16 years of
budget crunches in St.Paul were under the rule of democrats.
Explain what you mean Chuck by the " citys portion of the property tax levi "
So your saying in those years, property owners in St.Paul NEVER had their taxes raised ?
Lets see, if you were running for mayor, what would you propose to fix our so called cash strapped city ?
Do you want the state to give more money to St.Paul ?
Where do you think it comes from ?
Minnesota is due to recieve a stimulus in the millions from the Feds.
I don't hear you suggesting that we use that money.
Jeff Matiatos
Chuck,
I've stopped trying to have rational debates with Jeff. He has proven to shoot from the hip without an iota research and then ask question later- after he's drawn a conclusion.
Looking over his last dozen or so posts, its clear that he really doesn't understand the basics of government.
Good luck but, you're do better reaching some of these guys if you paid for a late night infomercial right behind the get rich quick no money down real estate flippers.
Eric
Time after time I have noticed posters here like Swiftee laying waste to your facts and figures.
I've even caught you on a few things.
It's ok to say I'am a shoot from the hip poster, but I can live with that.
Can you live with being a liberal Democrat ?
Most people who vote, vote from the hip when you consider all they have to go on is the kind of crap politicians running for office are spewing. What other choices do they have ?
Ask the mayor to post here with all his budget problem stats.
Give us something Eric in the form of stats that support your candidates bettering of St.Paul.
Same ol lies and broken promises.
I can admit that you seem to be more educated than I on Government issues.
So what do you want, a medal or a chest to pin it on.
You really like to pick on the little guy don't you ?
Why don't you run for head street thug in some dangerous part of Detriot. How about all of Detriot.
Jeff Matiatos
The establishment thinking is described by Teddy Roosevelt.
"A man with no schooling may steal from a freight car. Give him a university education, and he may steal the whole railroad."
So Bob....
Do you plan on knocking Chris off at the endorsing convention, at the primary or the general election? Each requires a different strategy.
You likely missed the ability to knock him off at the endorsing convention, because I suspect Chris made sure his supporters became the delegates. Flyers might feel good, but insiders line up their people with power.
That leaves the primary or the general. What is your strategy?
A curious observer.
Curious observer,
You want to know what strategys are available, come up with a convincing plan to balance the city budget ( if possible ), reduce overhead without substancial cuts in public services, close facilities that have limited use, pass an entertainment / sports tax, clothing tax, raise parking meter fees, and ask city employees to pan handle for money on their lunch break.
Oh, and fire Susan Gaertner and a few other city attorneys that have their hands down the courts pants.
Jeff Matiatos
Oh, and implement a hiring freeze, cut city work hours, get volunteer police to fill in so some cops can work 35 hours a week, buy out those close to retirement.
Your turn !
Jeff Matiatos
I like your spirit Jeff, some like
10:00 p.m. , want us to think that you can simply win an election based on a popularity contest.
That Coleman has all these insiders.
If anyone is serious about running against Coleman, get all you can on the Coleman administration ( city council included ) and shred it to HELL.
Alot of St.Paul citizens are mad about everything and wouldn't mind
taking it out on a Coleman administration that has only added insult to injury.
Go get em !!!!
10:06 - Two things first the DFL does not have veto proof majorities. So, you have to deal with Pawlenty.
Actually you are wrong every City get's LGA. It is what I said it is. I was just out to dinner with a planner from Ritchfield and she was complaining about the ammount of LGA they were losing.
It is just bigger numbers in the City because there are more of you sending your money to the state that always was suppose to come back to you as City services.
...and Jeff didn't you read what I wrote? The LGA monies was always a proportion of the income tax going back to the cities. Where does it come from? Your pocket and now Pawlenty is saying I am keeping it instead of giving it back to the cities it came from.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Things are going to get real hot on this blog Bob, You better get ready to the St.Paul Fire Dept.
That is if we still have one.
I like your spirit Jeff, some like
10:00 p.m. , want us to think that you can simply win an election based on a popularity contest.
Go get em !!!!
10:33 PM
That's exactly what an election is. That's why they call it the 'popular vote.' The more popular one wins.
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Jeff, why would I go to Detroit? Why would I run for office?
Maybe you should move there. You're the one unemployed and trying to get over on the government. You'll be around like minds- oh wait, you were being the race baiting guy again, right? Detroit being a mostly black city and all. I get it.
fail.
Chuck, I told you, Jeff doesn't read. He shoots from the hip. He even posted before and after the points were laid out and still missed the main point- its OUR money!
Eric
I think that Pawlenty is doing what he needs to do to balance the budget.
Some cities and counties should be penalized for overdoing their budgets.
Only the State can do this and or the mayors and County Commissioners that approve everything in the county.
Make them fiscally responcible.
Doesn't the city do bonding anymore to raise money ?
We are in a financial crisis Chuck.
Remember when your parents were broke and couldn't afford to buy you that bike ?
It's no use crying about it my dad told me.
Well the state can't afford to give money to cities either.
Try to see Pawlenty as your father who has the last word on how the money is spent.
It's just no use crying about it.
I appreciate what your saying Chuck, you are so much of a more pleasant person than Eric.
Jeff Matiatos
Your right, I am not employed and I am a stay at home dad with custody of my children.
I am presently building up an inventory on a patented product of mine,so I stay busy with that also.
You might see it in the market once I have flooded it with my product.
It may be OUR money Eric, but I doubt you yourself have much to say
about how it gets spent.
You can call me the shootist if you want.
HIP HIP HIP HOORAY !!!!
Jeff Matiatos
Right Jeff.
Kind of when states can't get money from the Federal Government if they don't agree to pass certain laws like lowering the blood alchocol levels.
I'm afraid Bob is right Repke. Coleman's sorry ass is on the way out. He's been no good for St. Paul and the voters are going to see to it that's he's toast next November. Ya know what the menas Repke? Well let me tell you----with the Mayor in exile and someone responsible in his office that's not spending up a storm like he's a Republican, that means there's gonna be lot less money to go around and when the money dries up, we;;------that puts us at your front door my man. Your finished here Repke. No money, no Repke. There won't be any of these nitwit neighbors begging you to develop anything. You'll be too busy trying to get the basics pumped into Harriet Island cause that's where you'll be living. In a tent! I'm back Repke and I'm gonna be watching your posts pretty closely. You spin a lot of crap Repke and most of it's not true. Watch it Repke cause I'll be calling you on your BS form now on now that I'm back.
Well, this just might get a little interesting much sooner than any of you might expect!
According to an oversight committe, Bush gave away $ 78 BILLION in excess TARP subsidys to bailed out firms.
This is over and above the value of the troubled assets.
This has got to be crimminal theft of public money.
ALL legislators that voted for it are crooks.
Jeff Matiatos
Jeff said... "Well the state can't afford to give money to cities either."
Jeff that is my point, that is Pawlenty's big lie.
IT ISN'T HIS MONEY, IT ISN'T THE STATE'S MONEY - ITS OUR MONEY!!!
YOURS AND MINE THE TAXPAYERS.
The purpose of LGA is to have the state collect income taxes for the cities, because cities don't have the ability to do an income tax and the state doesn't want them to have an income tax. For over 35 years LGA has made sure that Minnesotan's don't pay as much in property taxes as people in Wisconsin do. We pay it in income taxes.
So, why does the state get to decide that they are going to keep YOUR money and not give it back to the city you live in to pay for local cops and parks and instead keeps the money to pay for state troopers and state parks?
Why isn't the pain at the state level?
Instead the Gov gets to say the crap like you said, that the state can't be bailing out the cities. ITS NOT THE STATE'S MONEY!!!
ITS OUR MONEY.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
You bet others are going after "Disbarred" Lawyer Mayor Chris Coleman former clerk for Judge Doris Huspeni
For Ratifying Assessments based on Theft,Trespass,Treason
http://sharonscra.blogspot.com
LGA misued will be estopped. PERIOD
Hate to say it Eric but your DFL "Qackery" is not cutting it here any lomger. You're no match for Jeff and you never will be despite your trumped up experience. You see, Jeff is a little rough around the edges and not as polished as you. He's got a good head on his shoulders and sees right and wrong as black and white and doesn't mind saying it like it is. I'm sure you educated types would talk down to him because of his sometimes lack of being able to manipulate the english vocabulary as you and Chuck do, but none the less, Jeff sees through your BS, knows it is worng and calls you out on it. You can spin all day long, but you change wrong into right and that's why Jeff will have you with your pants down every time. Rather than fighting with Jeff all the time, perhaps you could get together with him for lunch maybe (your treat of course) and he could teach you something about standing up for something (anything) that you profess to believe in rahter than just being a professional BSr.
Switee, I know somewhere in there you may be able to handle a thought, so try this.
In 1972 the liberal Democrats passed what was known as the "Minnesota Mirrical" that was the income tax being levied by the state to be given to the cities and school districts to keep property taxes down.
That tax increase is now the monies that Pawlenty is taking away to use on balancing the state budget.
So, explain to me how that is anything other than Pawlenty creating the problem for the cities and in effect raising state taxes since this was alway monies intended for local government.
People forget that municiple governments are a creation of the state. They can only do what states allow them to do. Cities can't raise money through an income tax, so the state did it for them.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Repke wrote: "Actually you are wrong every City get's LGA."
Nope -- your wrong. Click on the link above to see the facts. Many cities like Andover, Apple Valley, Arden Hills, Blaine, Bloomington, etc, etc get zero, zip, nada in state aid.
What cities get the most? Why Mpls and St. Paul of course. They rake in almost 30% of the state aid. Pretty good considering the cities combined population is only 12% of the state.
Can we be honest about the state budget? The problem is not LGA – that $500M is small compared the other segments and is barely (if at all) growing. The big growth sections are first: health and human services (by a BIG margin) and second: Education.
You big gov’t democrats grew the state budget by over 10% in one biennium and spent most of the dough on more health and human services. Click on the 2006 budget above to see it and the 2008 budget in my next post. You democrats grew the state budget to increase spending on HHS.
So, blame Pawlenty if that warms your partisan heart – but it is fundamentally dishonest. The honest question is: What should we do with ballooning health and human services costs? I see the options as: a) eliminate lower priority spending such as LGA, b) contain HHS increases, c) increase taxes in a high tax state or d) some combination of the above.
So other than “Pawlenty is evil”, what is your solution? I say we contain HHS increases.
2008 above.
Everyone needs to pay attention to what Repke is posting here. It is a mixture of twisted facts and 100% bullshit.
He thinks he talking to a room full of kool-aid drinkers....let's sober this asswipe up, shall we?
For instance, he's mixed up the "Minnesota Mirrical" (Caution! Public school scholar at work here) and LGA.
LGA was created to help small cities that don't have enough business tax keep their streets fixed, their cops paid and the lights on. It was never meant to be a slush fund for incompetent city managers.
Now we have St. Paul, one of the biggest cities in the state using it to fund their asinine moonbat programs, and their anti-business policy's without having to come clean to the citizens.
"Truth about LGA" has it just right. There are dozens and dozens of cities, large and small, that don't get a dime of LGA, and manage just fine.
That's because they are not burdened with a critical mass of liberals. They didn't put lefty assnozzles in office and expect competent management.
Liberals are always the first up on the soapbox touting "local control" until it comes time to pay for their mummers parade.
Here's a tip; if you have changed your mind, and now you are not "happy to pay more", you're wasting your time stamping around the state capital in a little puddle of piss.
We are lucky enough to have an adult in charge over there, and third grade temper tantrums don't sway him.
Go down to your city hall and tell the people you voted for that it is time to cut spending.
It really is just that simple.
It's also the only choice you have, because there is going to be a HUGE cut in LGA....get over it.
But Seiftee.....they don't want to cut anything. They want to pick everyone else's pockets for their insane spending. When they don't get their way then they assign themselves the victim status because they think someone cares.
Again dozens of cities don't get LGA and hundreds and hundreds do and your point is what?
My point was that LGA was a tax increase started for the cities and at the same time that we gave relief to the school distrcits and this is the income TAX money that Pawlenty is now stealing from the purpose it was created for and using to balance the budget after he has given tax cuts to the wealthy.
That fact nothing you have said has changed Swiftee. He isn't giving the money back. He is keeping it and using it to fill the gaps in the state budget.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
from the State of Minn His. So.
The Minnesota Miracle of 1971 resulted from a ten-year effort to restructure Minnesota's fiscal policy. Major contributors to the effort were Paul Gilje, then research director of the Citizens League; Representative Charles R. Weaver of Anoka; the Metropolitan Council; the 1967-1971 Republican legislatures; and state Senator Wendell Anderson, the 1970 Democratic gubernatorial candidate, elected governor, who campaigned on a pledge to make sweeping changes in the financing of schools and of local governments.
Rising public discontent with soaring property taxes created the ferment for needed reform of long-established policies: local governments and school districts were financed solely through autonomously levied property taxes; municipalities were forced to compete for commercial-industrial development to boost their tax base; and disparities in the quality of education between property-tax-rich and property-tax-poor districts were egregious. Reform laws enacted to resolve those issues, taken together, came to be known as the Minnesota Miracle of 1971.
Never forget last summer when 15-20cars were parked illegaly on Laurel Avenue next to Summit Avenue.
The illegal vehicles were attending a party for well to doers at one of the Summit mansions.
I called parking enforcement because they were clearly parked next to signs that said NO PARKING.
I watched for parking enforcement to drive by and after half an hour, he arrived, drove by past the vehicles slowly and didn't tag any of them.
I waited another half hour, called again and he came back and I walked out to meet him and pointed them out. He was not happy to see me.
He reluctantly tagged all the vehicles but two vehicles with out of state plates.
I am willing to bet the court dismissed every one of them.
What do you think ?
Way to go Coleman. Your so fair.
Sorry folks, that was two summers ago.
Chuck,
your right; LGA is given to most cities. However, your earlier statement "now Pawlenty is saying I am keeping it instead of giving it back to the cities it came from" is at best misleading. The cities did not pay the LGA and the redistribution to the cities is NOT based on what the people in the cities paid.
It is really a slush fund for Mpls and St. Paul who get 30% of the money with 12% of the population. Now your slush fund is going away and St. Paul must pay their own bills (like Bloomington, Andover and all the other cities with no LGA).
You never answered 11:35. I think that is the real question.
LGA was meant for cities and towns that do not have enough business activity to generate a self supporting sales tax to maintain minimum municipal services without taxing people out of their homes.
It was a way to "spread the wealth". Something I thought every lefty holds near and dear.
Saint Paul and Minneapolis are the largest cities in the state. LGA was never meant for them. If they cannot attract, and keep enough businesses to support themselves they are being criminally mismanaged.
Dozens of cities in this state are managed competently, and get by very nicely without LGA....they play by the rules.
Maybe it's time that the cities that makeup the economic engine of this state be turned over to people up to the task of managing them like adults.
Swiftee - read the damn article from the State Hist. Soc. LGA was created because of the ever increasing property taxes and the number of businesses that were moving into the burbs where there was little or no property taxes because there were no people.
Yes, dozens of communities with more industry than people (in proportion) are able to live off of the property tax and do not need income tax monies to pay for city services. And there are hundreds and hundreds of communities that get the income tax monies instead.
Whatever...
The point still is, cutting the payments to those hundreds of cities and using their money to balance the state's budget problem is still a new tax increase for the state coffer that comes from the property tax poor areas of the state.
So, how is this anything other than the governor balancing the budget by raising taxes on those areas least able to afford it?
...and 11:27 you have to be F'ing kidding me! Find me one rural community that has ever been able to pay for the roads that get people to them or the sheriff that patrols them or the state troopers or their water supply or for that matter even pay a fair price on the Xcel bill. Rural communities are the biggest subsidized parts of the state. It is true here and every where in the country.
Do you think a town of 500 can ever raise enough money to pay for a road to connect it to the next town of 1,000? You have to be out of your mind.
Look at every bonding bill that comes along and it is filled with special projects for rural areas paid for with my tax dollars.
Read a history book sometime about the TVA and the Federal government's push to get electricity to rural areas. They build the lines to the sticks and everybody in the metro pays for it. In true capitalism there would still be no power in most of northwestern Minnesota, because there isn't enough customers to ever (even 70 years later) pay for stringing the lines, but those damn liberals (people like me) took care of there rural neighbors and have allowed the power companies to pass those costs on to us in the cities.
Damn liberals...
Please somebody read a book.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
"The point still is, cutting the payments to those hundreds of cities and using their money to balance the state's budget problem is still a new tax increase for the state coffer that comes from the property tax poor areas of the state."
Forget those "hundreds of cities", we're talking about St. Paul. Are you saying that Saint Paul is "property tax poor"?
And if not, then I would submit that it is Saint Paul and Minneapolis that are forcing tax increases upon their smaller neighbors. If SP and MPLS had adults in charge, like all of these first ring suburbs do..
http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/lgahistout.asp?type=cluster&cluster=2&yr05=on&yr08=on&yr06=on&yr09=on&yr04=on&yr07=on&calc=amount&output=web
....there would be more money for the smaller towns this money was meant for in the first place!
This is liberal, urban assholes screwing the rest of the state...again!
Swiftee - you are still not addressing the issue, which is if this tax was created for the cities and towns (and it was) and Pawlenty is now keeping it (and he is)... he is raising taxes for State services on the backs of those communities that were getting this part of their income tax monies back as municipal services.
So, our GOP governor is still using the my tax moneys to pay for state troopers in Halleck and Canby that don't send in enough monies to pay for the bumper of a squad car and not letting those tax dollars come back to Saint Paul to pay for a cop.... and we send in millions and millions of dollars of state income taxes.
That's the point Swiftee. The state collect income tax monies. For thirty some years a part of the reason why the monies were collected were to go back out to pay for city services and to keep property taxes down.
Taxes were raised to do that.
Pawlenty is now saying paying for a squad car in Halleck is more important than a squad car in Saint Paul and I am going to take that money from the residents of Saint Paul and send a trooper out into the booneys instead of in the cities.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck, I think its fair for the govenor to send services and help build infrastructure anywhere in Minnesota.
Why should St.Paul get it all, it just wastes it on tearing down its tax base ( homes that pay property taxes ).
St.Paul Government doesn't spend the money wisley.
Anyone second the notion ?
Jeff Matiatos
Jeff is right Chuck. The Governor has to send that trooper to the boonies so you can be safe should you ever decide to go there. If he didn't, then you DFLrs would being suing to make sure he does. The message here Chuck is that St. Paul needs to manage their money wisely and they do not.
The state has limited dollars and must help communities that require them. I understand the state subsidizing rural communities -- but it is frustrating.
But, St. Paul is not small, impoverished or needy. They just spend a lot. St. Paul citizens shoudl fund their own big gov't dreams.
But, hey if you disagree, then point out what budget items should be cut or who should pay more taxes? The $6+ Billion must come from someone.
From now on, put every proposed St.Paul project up for referendum.
Let the voters decide how to spend the money.
But no, they tell us, you elected us city government liberals to do the spending.
Can city council members be fired or impeached ? I am serious, who knows the answer to this ?
Jeff Matiatos
Jeff, You could mount a recall campaign, but the problem with your idea is that you're surrounded by Repke clones.
These kooks, as you've seen here, are extremely capable of deluding themselves to whatever degree it takes to keep their socialist delusions intact; and they are the ones that go and vote.
We live in a Democracy. The majority rules and sometimes the only thing you can do is move.
I love St. Paul. It's no fun to watch it sink into the swamp. But until the residents with common sense start showing up to vote, the Repke's and the Coleman's and the Thune's have free reign.
Thanks swiftee, and I agree 100% that only the voters can purge the clones from their podiums and council chairs.
I am willing to assist Bob in handing out flyers in advance of the mayoral election this summer.
Do you get enough contributions to get bulk postage to send flyers to folks Bob ? You can respond
E-mail.
Get rid of judicial corruption in this town and we will be getting somewhere.
Jeff Matiatos
Chuck instead of bitching why doesn't you and your party start slashing their budget.Heres a hint start with least needed.Meaning if your putting fancy lamp post down a street that has lighting maybe put a hold on that till ya get the dough.
Boy!You guys are just crazy.Would you all just sit around and cry and spend moreif your pay was cut at work.No you'd tighten the belt.Figure it out its not tough.
Jim
Jim, but here is the problem... not all money is created the same.
Not putting in a street light on Rice Street saves the City $0 in property taxes and $0 from the LGA cuts, because that street light isn't paid for with monies that come from either the City's property tax monies or from the LGA that the Governor is cutting. It comes from a pot of money that the Sate divides out that is only to be used on major roads. So, if the City doesn't spend it, it can't use the money for a cop or a firefighter.
We get some Federal monies that can be used for redevelopment (CDBG) you can't use that to buy a cop either, but you can use it to knock down a vacant building.
I know ignorance is bliss and that explains why Swiftee is so happy, but ignorance of how City finances work just makes it easy to blame the level of government that has the least power to make choices and the most visibility when things go wrong.
Your property taxes and the LGA are the City's two main sources of "clean money" that is what they pay employees with (cops, firefighters, parks and libraries). Most of the City's budget comes from dedicated monies. License fees can only be used to pay DSI employees and lawyers. Road monies can be used to build roads and to pay the planners in public works. Federal and State housing and development dollars can pay for some of the staff in PED.
The City has no power to change that. Dedicated monies can only be used for the purpose given to them.
So, with the governor's LGA cuts, there will be cuts in cops, and firefighters, and parks and libraries...that is what the money was used for.
You can bitch about bicycle advisory board staff people, but if they are paid out of federal road monies, and I bet they are, then if you cut them you get to lay 6 more feet of concrete, you don't get a cop. And not having a bicycle advisory board might cost you millions of dollars of federal road monies if your competitive project loses to one in Fresno that some planner in DC liked because it had cute bike lanes.
The world is so much simpler on Swifties planet.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck said :
" It comes from a pot of money that the state divides out that is only to be used on magor roads. So, if the city doesn't spend it, it can't use the money for a cop or fire fighter " .
So with the governors LGA cuts, there will be cuts in cops and firefighters etc. right Chuck ?
Seems like whats going on if we are to believe what your saying, is that the city pretends to say that LGA isn't a fund for cops and firefighters, but when the governor says he is going to cut LGA, all of the sudden they are funds for cops and firefighters ie. your comment :
" ...... thats what the money was used for " ?
This is what you said Chuck ! Which is it ?
Jeff Matiatos
Chuck, the money to put in a fancy light post is from taxpayors no matter how you look at it.
Or maybe those folks in North Dakota and their budget SURPLUS, are using their tax dollars to pay our way here in Minnesota .
Move to North Dakota.
Jeff Matiatos
Jeff Matiatos
Jeff reread what I wrote, I said:
"Your property taxes and the LGA are the City's two main sources of "clean money" that is what they pay employees with (cops, firefighters, parks and libraries)."
Local Government Aid "LGA" is your income tax dollars that you send to the state, sent back to the Cities to run the cities, no restrictions on the use. Its clean.
State road monies are used for roads that meet certain conditions, lane width, etc... Your light pole on Rice Street would come from that pot of money, not from General revenue monies (property taxes, LGA). Yes it is from the tax payers, but once the state gives it to you to do road work you can't buy cops with it.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
A message from Mayor Coleman.
No Swiftie, they are the one's that do the planning work that allows them to write the fancy grants that gets us the millions of dollars of Federal road money in the first place.
Try getting a nickle out of the Fed's for road monies without having bike lanes and pedestrian treatment in the plan.
We are competing with other cities for those Federal Road dollars and there is a good chance the guy with the approve stamp use to be the staff person in DC for the bicycle advisory board...
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
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