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RESULT WAS PREDICTABLE – ABANDONMENT OF OLDER"
There is significant evidence of wholesale abandonment of inner city homes due to the increase in costs to own such homes to meet the City’s heightened standards. The City now has over 2,000 vacant homes compared to an average year of average 300-400. On March 31, 2003, there were 367 Vacant Buildings with Ward listed [Bates 0030167-176]; November 1, 2007 = 1466 . The City’s Mortgage Foreclosure Study in 2006 noted “foreclosed properties are or were disproportionately renter-occupied.”
The high number of vacant homes now unavailable for low-income housing, naturally results in fewer housing choices and more protected class on the waiting lists. Public Housing Director Jon Gutzmann stated that as of December 2006, there were over 6,000 households on
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the PHA waiting list with waits of three to five years for availability and if the Section 8 waiting list was open, there would be 10,000 households on the list. Gutzmann, 60-63.
Only one out of five people who are eligible are being provided with affordable housing. Id. Gutzmann looks at PHA’s waiting list and can see an affordable housing crisis in the City. Id.
That high number of vacant homes would be almost 3 times the number of vacants that Minneapolis has and they have 100,000 more people. That says something in it itself.
Chuck I think Tims alittle bit more ahead of the game than you.Tim it looks like you've done your homework and understand that the city tried to limit the houses the private side could offer.
Jim
Who's this Gutzmann guy?We have repke and he knows it all.Huh Chuck theres not an affordable housing crisis,lets ramp up the code even more.
Jon Gutzman is the St.Paul Public Housing chief.
Under his administration, he has employees, who target innocent, low income tenants in public housing who speak their minds for eviction.
He has people on the board of directors who serve the city of St.Pauls mafia establishment.
Thats what Jon Gutzman seems to stand for.
Any body that knows anything knows there is a severe shortage of affordable housing and for Chuck to have just a few days ago to say there isn't is a joke.
Again folks PHA has as many section 8 vouchers out there as they have units that they own, both in projects and scattered sights. It is in PHA's interests to KEEP private landlords in business. Anyone who would be trying to help PHA in its mission would be looking to KEEP PRIVATE LANDLORDS IN BUSINESS.
There is no logic in trying to say that the City was trying to pu landlords out of business to help PHA. Its pure nonsense.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
What they're saying Chuck is there were landlords that were treated very differently than PHA was treated. Have you ver heard of "Equal Protection?" As far as who's helping who, I would guess that PHA has been helped greatly when they don't have to follow the code and the private sector does. What is it about that you don't understand?
9:38 but this is a RICO case. It means somebody has to win if somebody is losing.
What is clear from this arguement is that PHA loses if private landlords go out of business.
So, they still don't have a winner and any RICO case needs a winner.
They don't have conspirators either but that's another story.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Ya, but they have Jon Gutzman !
Repke, your kidding right?What is this somebody has to win and somebody has to lose shit?These landlords lost because they are no longer in business and PHA won because they are in business.
Chuck I hope someday you eat crow-that day will be better then anything I could imagine.
The burbs way,
"Our main focus is to recognize the different people and different cultures now living in the city of Blaine," he said. "We want to celebrate that and celebrate the growing diversity in the city".
4:25 When you try to create a RICO case you need a conspiracy a victom and someone that benefits from the victoms loss. My point is that again they have no one that benefits if anything bad happened to anyone.
The case is dead its over.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
The case isn't about RICO you fool. It's about Fair Housing and a host of other things. Don't you read anything before you start motrmouthing? Even if it were about RICO, I don't think they have to show that someone or anyone benifeted. What they have to show is that they were damaged. Get a clue Chuck.
11:14 Well at some point the case has to be about something or it is going to be dismissed.
It started as a RICO case. Which is a Federal racketeering case. As I said to prove that you need those three elements that they don't have.
What is left to them now it appears is that they claim its a Fair Housing case. For it to be a Fair Housing case first I have no clue how they are the victims in a fair housing case but even if somehow they were they are going to have to show that the City was targeting minority members for discrimination.
The problem that they have in this as a fair housing case is that for all of the minority members that live in rentals where the city wrote up the building and the owners fixed it things got better, not worse. What these guys are somehow trying to say is that minority members want to live in bad housing and that the City is taking away their ability to live in bad housing.
I don't think that will fly.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Jon Gutzmann is a good guy. His PHA organization will grow or shrink depending on the funding from HUD. I suspect HUD’s allocation to St. Paul is likely more political than rational. However, the allocation of section 42 tax credits might increase and the local builders who know how to use those credits may benefit.
But, don’t miss the point of this section – St. Paul has a disproportionally bad vacant building problem. I believe part of the problem is the national housing crisis, but trust me folks – the reason St. Paul is worst than EVERY SURROUNDING CITY I KNOW is because the costs to bring a vacant building up to code is ridiculous. Heck, my recommendation to my investor clients is clear – do NOT buy in St. Paul right now. The rebuilds are costing $40K to $50K and the cost of St. Paul real estate does not justify that investment.
Mpls and all the burbs are much wiser investments. I have personally bid on 7 homes in the past 4 weeks – zero in St. Paul as the numbers do not work.
St. Paul’s problem will get worse before it gets better. I predict vacant buildings will exceed 3,000 soon and the value must fall more to make the investment worthwhile. Bad city policy to discourage investment; but St. Paul is doing it.
Bill Cullen.
One final thing before I go to bed.
Kudos to our gov't leaders, police, military and all others that worked to assure the GOP has a right to speak too. I participated some and the work they did was fantastic.
They did such a great job that attendess such as myself did not even know the protestors existed. I only read about them.
Bill Cullen.
The problem they had Reoke was that there's idiots on your level ruinning the city that don't knwo a violation of the law when they see it and that's why they're being sued, and that's why they're gonna lose.
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