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Minnehaha Lanes bowling alley closes after 50 years in St. Paul's Frogtown neighborhood
Property of 50-year Frogtown fixture will be redeveloped
By Jason Hoppin
jhoppin@pioneerpress.com
Article Last Updated: 05/28/2008 09:47:32 PM CDT
Pummeled by the defection of bowling leagues and facing the consequences of years of neglect, the 50-year-old Minnehaha Lanes in St. Paul's Frogtown neighborhood has closed.
The St. Paul Port Authority agreed this week on a $1.8 million deal to buy the building and the 4 acres it sits on near Minnehaha Avenue and Milton Street, viewing it as a key step toward redevelopment of the entire dilapidated Minnehaha Mall.
"Unfortunately, it's somewhat of a sad day," said Harvey Anderson, founder of a company that owned the bowling alley and several others in the east metro. "But its problems deteriorated. It would take a lot of investment from us."
The lanes were founded in 1958 by William Manion, a St. Paul native and well-known bowling advocate who died in 1997.
Anderson has owned the lanes for about a decade, but it was operated by Harry "Dutch" Erkenbrack, whose management company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection earlier this year.
Erkenbrack could not be reached for comment, but he had complained in the past that the smoking ban, which took effect in St. Paul more than a year before it reached the rest of the state, had driven a primary source of income — bowling leagues — away.
The site also was targeted for a failed effort to locate a $62.5 million Salvation Army-operated recreation center in St. Paul. When negotiations for the site became public, Erkenbrack said that was also making leagues wary of locating at Minnehaha Lanes.
With a reputation for turning aging industrial sites into productive job centers, the Port Authority hopes to tear down the bowling alley and build a 60,000- to 75,000-square-foot building, bringing an estimated 60 full-time jobs to one of the poorer regions of the city.
The Port Authority also has created an industrial development district for the 11-acre Minnehaha Mall site, a sign of its desire to redevelop the mall, which includes a restaurant, a dollar store and more. That move gives the Port Authority options on how to structure the financing of such a deal, including the use of tax-increment financing.
"We intend to take a look at those properties and negotiate a purchase, but if we're not successful, we intend to go ahead with a development of some kind" for the bowling alley, Port Authority spokesman Tom Collins said.
Prior to its use as a bowling alley, areas of the site were used as a dump. Environmental testing showed those areas need to be cleaned up before being redeveloped.
Collins said the Port Authority is not interested in an adjacent site just south of the bowling lanes, regarded as perhaps the prime swath of real estate in all of Frogtown — the hilltop Amherst H. Wilder campus.
The Ramsey County assessor values the land at more than $18 million, and the Wilder Foundation is believed to be interested in selling the property after moving to the corner of Lexington Parkway and University Avenue.
Hi All,
I wonder if the owner had any trouble with code enforcement prior to his decesion to sell.
"Pummeled by the defection of bowling leagues and facing the consequences of years of neglect, the 50-year-old Minnehaha Lanes in St. Paul's Frogtown neighborhood has closed."
Excuse Bob another casualty of the smoking ban??? You are kidding me?? The bowling leagues keep moving toward state of the art facilities. There isn't a bowling alley in the state you can smoke in. In fact many of the very successful suburban ones went smoke free in the alleys when there was no law to require it, just so they could attract leagues!
Once again 2 and 2 make six million eight hundred and thirty three!
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Code enforcement was trying to make them fix thier sign on the roof. Must have been too expensive and that was the final straw.
And CHuck.....people have been gravitating toward the suburbs for years for a lot more than bowling. Things like honest and fair governemnt.....Police that do their job rather than enforce political agendas, etc. always make a big hit with people.
Chuck, according to the owner the TITLE fits....
FROM THE ARTICLE-
Erkenbrack could not be reached for comment, but he had complained in the past that the smoking ban, which took effect in St. Paul more than a year before it reached the rest of the state, had driven a primary source of income — bowling leagues — away.
It seems like Chuck will defend his buddy Dave Thune to the hilt.
It seems Chuck does not remember that in St. Paul, the smoking ban was put into practice first, a whole year plus before the rest of the state had to.
These little facts are not important to Chuck, as he will defend his former boss, Dave Thune at all costs. Chuck will just twist the facts to suit the argument.
The facts are important Chuck, your glossing over them is just another sign of the state of the DFL Party in St. Paul. There needs to be a cleaning of the city council like the Highland District Council did a few years ago and found the currupt management. For over 40 years the DFL Party has been in control of city council in St. Paul and the time is ripe to clean house. I would start with Thune, Lantry and Helgen, but that is another post.
"consequences of years of neglect"
Yup, its always someone else's fault with you guys isn't it? It has to be the big bad government that causes the problem.
I watched the same thing happen with Hafner's on White Bear Avenue. The league bowlers are looking for the state of the art alleys and MOST OF THEM DIDN'T ALLOW SMOKE!!!
I am so sorry to tell you that it isn't 1950 anymore guys. There are as many woman bowling leagues as men and they are not filled with fat guys sucking on a White Owl.
Now, I know that there are many of you on this list that enjoyed the pleasure of going out and sucking on some phallic symbol in public. And I am sure that Sid enjoyed blowing smoke rings (and other things...) but in the real world if you don't keep up your property you lose customers.
That is just the facts of life kiddies. Just like we have seen the discussion of rental properties falling into disrepair and becoming unhabitable, the Minnehaha Lanes were as a "consequences of years of neglect" no longer somewhere where customers wanted to bowl.
But if it makes you feel better blame Thune and go out in the back yard and light some phallic symbol on fire and feel like a "real man" while you suck on it.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
... and Bob removed a real classy post from Sid that stimulated at least part of my remark...
Chuck
What would you know about being a "real man" Repke? You come here trying to disparage us with your comments about how we always want to blame someone else when your DFL shitbirds down at city hall make a regular practice out of blaming everyone except the "right one." You profess to know these landlors bringing the lawsuits so you can add your falsehoods to matter when the real facts are that you don't know any of those guys. Your arguments are just a bunch of hot air and lies designed to cause fear and mistrust so people look to your crooked government for help.
"Erkenbrack... had complained in the past that the smoking ban, which took effect in St. Paul more than a year before it reached the rest of the state, had driven a primary source of income — bowling leagues — away."
What does this guy know? His only qualification is having run a bowling alley for 50 frickin' years.
Repke, on the other hand, is a stinking leftist, which makes him a certified expert on anything and everything. You can trust him...'cause he said so.
"But if it makes you feel better blame Thune and go out in the back yard and light some phallic symbol on fire and feel like a "real man" while you suck on it."
That's an excellent idea, but I'd suggest we leave that phallic symbol in your ass and set it off in situ.
We could call the light it gives off "The Bucky Beam".
Swiftee said...
"Erkenbrack... had complained in the past that the smoking ban, which took effect in St. Paul more than a year before it reached the rest of the state, had driven a primary source of income — bowling leagues — away."
What does this guy know? His only qualification is having run a bowling alley for 50 frickin' years.
Repke, on the other hand, is a stinking leftist, which makes him a certified expert on anything and everything. You can trust him...'cause he said so.
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Of course the facts are:
"Anderson has owned the lanes for about a decade, but it was operated by Harry "Dutch" Erkenbrack, whose management company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection earlier this year"
and...
"facing the consequences of years of neglect,"
So, it sounds like once again we have someone who buys a business puts little or no money into it runs it into the ground goes bankrupt and it is Dave Thune's fault.
It's amazing. I never knew that Thune had such powers to make investors make the determination to milk the last dollar out of some asset and then sell it off. But, I guess he is that powerful because Swiftee says so.
That Swiftee never let the facts interfear with one's hostility towards elected officials that you just can't seem to take out.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck,
Why don't you tell the good folks here about Dave Thune banning smoking here in St. Paul and then lighting up in his office down at city hall?
These rules are good for the people, but not for Dave Thune.
Just like the city codes are good for the people and not Thune.
Chuck you are full of BS.
4:04 - Actually, you are wrong. Thune hasn't smoked indoors anywhere since he passed the smoking ban.
Thune's smoking in his office was a long, long, time ago...
That was back when Mayor Scheibel made all City offices smoke free and Thune said, he has no power over the legislative branch and smoked in his office anyway. That was in the 90's.
That is why everybody was a shocked as the were when Thune finally came over to the other side and said, nope, I was wrong my smoke ends up in everyone's nose and has supported bans on indoor smoking.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
There you go again Chuck....this Swiftee guy points out some facts and before you can even address it, you have to preface your remarks with the items about the management company going bankrupt and then throw in the part obout "years of neglect." This is typical DFL BULLSHIT where you guys have to preface every point you make with some slanderous or defamation remark about the other side so you can find an easier time making your side believeable because you have your audience already not liking the other side. maybe the place wasn't like a brand new place you think everyone has went to for bowling, but there's lots of people who are willing to bowl, eat and drink in a dive so your argument about lack of maintenance is a bunch of BS.
Chuck,
You are full of BS. I have first hand information of those who worked in the offices next to Dave. For over one year after the smoking ban was passed, Dave smoked in his office. Do you want to know where he kept the ashtray? You know the big one. I thought there was the Clean Indoor Air Act?
I guess you will say and do anything to protect your former boss.
By your last post, you really tipped your hand. You don't tell the truth, you can't handle the truth when you buddy is in the wrong.
Scoop Jackson
OK 9:34 the guy sold the business. The City didn't force him to close. He milked it for all it was worth without putting any money into it and then sold it at a big profit. That's capitalism there ain't nothing wrong with that! I am just saying the guy isn't a f'ing victom of the smoking ban. He made a smart business decision to milk all of the cash he could out of this old dog and then sell it to the Port Authority.
Well, "Scoop Jackson" you are just wrong. I was there when Thune was smoking in his office in the 90's I'm the guy that had the office next door you boob. The ash tray was in the lower right desk drawer! That was after the clean air act but before the smoking ban in bars and restaurants. Like I said that is why the smokers are so ticked at him. He went from a protester to a promoter.
7:55... I am sure that it is tough on you on public assistance, but I am confident that liberals like me will continue to support government programs to help you through your mental illness and help you to get some meaningful life experiences. It will be OK.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck,
After the smoking ban took effect in St. Paul, I happened to talk to the cleaning lady that cleans Dave's office. She showed me the cigarette butts from Dave's office.
Just ask the people who worked in Debbie's office that were right next to Dave's office, smoke came through the walls. I thought there was the Clean Indoor Air Act, but these rules do not apply to Dave.
Chuck you can try and blow smoke at us about Dave's behavior, but there are too many other people who see what Dave really does.
Scoop Jackson
I'd believe Chuck before I'd believe Stoop. Like a cleaning person would save butts? For what purpose? To show a some idiot that Thune was smoking. Why does it come up now - not when she found them?
Jonathan
Jonathan - Believe what you want. I saw with my own eyes and personally know people in the offices next to Thune that smoke was filtering through the walls coming from Thune's office. Thune was smoking in his city council office, as Thune was the only one in the office. Thune was violating the Clean Indoor Air Act in a public building. Thune wants to make the laws, but he has trouble following his own laws.
Like I said, the cleaning lady was coming out Thune's office about a year ago and I stopped her and asked if Thune wastebasket had cigarette butts in it and she showed them to me. Anyone standing in the hallway outside Thune's office could see the large ashtray that he had in his office with cigarette butts in it. The pink flamingo that Thune has in his office is neat.
Chuck it is sort of hard to defend Thune when the evidence is stacked against him, but you will find a way to twist the truth and protect your friend at all costs. I guess it all goes down to that sport on the blue dress or what the defination of the word "is" is.
Scoop Jackson
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