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Hi All,
I posted this yesturday and the phone number was wrong. I am waiting for the correct phone number.
Ronald Lydon age 69 and resident at 856 James avenue of 40 yrs.
He has a assessed value on his house of 158,500 with ramsey county tax records. The issue is the city has been charging him as res. non-homestead since at least 2004.
As far back as I can see. He has claimed he has tried to change the status to homestead to lower his yearly taxes but has had no success.
Ron has had non stop pressure with city inspectors for awhile with no help being offered as should being elderly and living on a fixed income.
In March Ron noticed 4 people in his yard. He said one was Lisa Martin code enforcement,Dean Keenen (big intimidating cop Lisa brings around),Maureen Dolan City attorney,and someone else not identified.They were telling him to get rid of this and that. Soon they were to the door of his house and ask can we take a look inside?
Ron said with the size of this cop (Dean) he felt pressured and scared. Not long after inside they said he couldn't live in his house of 40 years and he had to move. Confused Ron asked what he was going to do. They responded, "to the Winslow".
They said they would have it all set up for him and all he would have to do is show up at the Winslow.
He showed up at the Winslow and like the 4 said the were waiting for him. The staff was very eager to get him on a lease for April but Ron wanted May or June to tie up lose ends.(Sell house and to absorb the fact he was being kicked out of his own house)The staff said they may be full in those months. Once again Ron being pressured, he signed up for April for the Winslow but he wouldn't move in until May or June.
30 days after the lease was signed guess what happens? St.Paul Inspectors put Ron's house on the vacant list, immediately dropping the houses value and making it harder to market because the fact it now needs a code compliance and be brought to todays building standards.They said he was registered at the Winslow and it was vacant.
Ron ended up calling Delisle and got a low ball offer of 112,000.He took it being backed into a corner and because of the continued pressure of inspectors. Remember the house was assessed at 158,500. This was Ron's memories and life savings.
Another thing of interest is the fact that the building the Winslow commons is in received a 37.8% decrease for 2006.Tax records indicate that the market value stayed the same for 2005 and 2006 but 2005 went from 78,901.86 to 49,082 in 2006.
How many properties has this happened to in St.Paul and how many property owners would love it? Oh and another thing Ron only pays $130.00 a month and the government pays the rest.Surprise Surprise.Very sell able politically. But Ron lost his home, his memories and his dreams.This is not what he wanted.
Did Ron have the best looking house on the block?No. Did it need repairs,yes. I asked Ron if they would have been offered a reverse mortgage to do repairs payable upon death. He said he would have taken it.The fact is he was kicked out of his house and forced into a government backed Winslow commons.He sits on a triple lot that could generate much more money than Ron can match.The city wants new blood.
The day I talked to Ron he received a letter once again from the city.This time pressuring him and Delisle to tear down the garage before on or before 6-26-06 or the city will.Ron closes on 6-21-06 but what scares me is the fact Delisle might back out of the sale because of this expense and pressure.
To bad for Ron. I'm human and I feel for him.When I look at Ron he's like my grandpa,yours or anyone else's.But what the city sees in Ron is dollar signs.
This is happening over and over in St.Paul and the general public needs to hear these stories.Give Ron a call on his cell at 651-***-****.He has more information then I can write here.
Thanks Jason.
sincerly,
very concerned what St.Paul is doing.
11:56 AM
Bob said...
The city and county both send low income elderly to places like the Winslow and EPISCOPAL HOMES.
Do you all remember the recent stories I have told of the burglaries at Episcopal Homes. Folks the burglaries have CONTINUED! This is what our government officials consider a safe clean environment for our low income elderly.
I hope Ron doesn't come here with stories of burglaries over at the Winslow.
12:05 PM
Anonymous said...
Ya see Repke....there's the conspiracy you keep belly aching about. City officials conspiring with non profits to fill up thier vacancies while the property goes to favorite developers, and when Ron dies, they'll slid him in to his grave with tears in his eyes and just call it another day. Probably a welfare funeral to boot because they will have taken all his money and with nothing left left to go to his kids, well that only means one thing. Ever seen a welfare funeral Repke? They bury them in a cardboard box and put in a vault that's full of holes. No graveside service Repke.....when ya pull into the cemetery the vault is up on top of the ground and they just throw the box inside, say a prayer and push it inot the hole while they listen to tunes on their ipod. Kinda like they're working a landlfill operation. City leaders are disicable. Are these the folks and tactics you really want to stick up for Chuck?
12:29 PM
Anonymous said...
the cell Number is wrong..
4:22 PM
Henry said...
Stories like this should just make your blood boil. I would recommend anyone who has had this happen or who knows someone who this has happened to, to call the US Attorney, the FBI and the Justice Dept. Enough squeaky wheels and they might just step in and take over the City and throw the crooked officials and inspectors in jail.
4:35 PM
Anonymous said...
Bob. Perhaps you could furnish the phone numbers and addresses of the Justice Dept., FBI Public Corruption, and US Attorney
4:37 PM
Anonymous said...
The city's primma donnas are at it again. The sooner we can get rid of them the better.
This kind of thing makes Repke proud.
4:47
The property rights group in Minnneapolis had the new Attorney General for this district speak at their last meeting, and when told of the problems in St Paul he said they knew about it, were interested in it and encouraged ANYONE with information to contact the FBI. I will try and get the number that was given out and post it.
This story happened about a year or so ago and was sent to jason Hoppin of the Pioneer Press.Imagine that the PP won't do a story.We should be appauled with this city and the PP.The city should be protecting us and the PP is full of lazy reporters.
How could the attorney representing the City go home a sleep at night knowing the employees of the city are taking advantage of peoples rights?
I can't wait to read emails of the city when they come public.
I can't believe this story.If its true than I think St.Paul is going to far.
Black or white, what kinda crime or problems can a 69 year old man cause?
Shame on you St.Paul if you are gaining access into places uses intimidation of an officer.
George
Right I try file a report with the fbi. And thet said hire a lawyer and go to court. They do not handle this kind os stuff.
And contract U.S. senator and U.S.Rep. and they said contract the fbi. And told them what they
said and they so what.
No one wants to help with the city problems. You just stuck with it.
Because you a landlord or homeowner.
You pay taxes for for help but noone will help you.
Leslie K. Lucht
They don't help you Leslie because you are known slumlord. They want you out.
to 9:41
They sleep just fine at night because #1 they think they are right and #2 the ends justify the means as far as they are concerned. Just like Hitler! The first thing he went after was the Jews housing and just like St Paul, it was all in the name of public saftey.
Dear 11:38 AM,
Yes you are correct. Having two relatives in Nazi Germany during WWII I can attest to what you are saying.
The progressive DFL feels they have a right to your property. They use code compliance and particular bans to control the population into their way of thinking.
Repke and his bunch even took the state to court and forced the speed limit to be only 45MPH on 35E in order to get it built. This DFL crowd is spreading their brand of how society should be on us at an alarming rate.
Soon the DFL controlling city, county and state will have control of all of our property and then they will TELL you how to live your life. They are already doing this now, but soon they will have total control over you. When are you all going to see what they are doing. You only have to look at Minneapolis and St. Paul and see how the DFL has ruined the Twin Cities.
It's always darkest before the dawn. In this case, the sheer number of vultures circling overhead are blotting out the sun as they wait for judgment day and to pick over the carcasses of Magner, Repke, and the rest.
St Paul should have followed their better judgment like they did in the past. Now they will still have aging housing stock, but also have prohibitive civil rights and racketeering bills to pay.
Repke is one of the people behind the 35E speed limit of 45 MPH.
Thanks Repke, another burden you have put on the people's backs.
Wow, I don't know what you guys read, but what I read sounded like someone who was having a hard time managing his afairs, has no family to help him and someone at least tride to find him somewhere safe to live.
The City has no relationship financially with Winslow and it is an excellent Senior housing location with great staff.
I will try to find some facts on this he lives just a block from my old house and I still know a lot of the neighbors.
Chuck Repke
Yeah and while your at it Repke, find out about how they wouldn't let him split off his lot, but as soon as they had him out and the place sold, one of the favorites got it split off and built something. Just another city conspiracy.
Bob did this happen two years ago? I looked up the address and it looks like it is had a bunch of work done to it.
Don't see any write ups.
Chuck Repke
12:45 said... "Repke and his bunch even took the state to court and forced the speed limit to be only 45MPH on 35E in order to get it built."
Actually, I was the "property rights" guy in that arguement. The EIS showed that there would be considerable loss of value in the properties along a new freeway (as there always is) the people who lived in the area challenged if 35E met the federal needs test to be built in that location. The basic arguement being that the Feds were taking the land to build a freeway from Cananda to Mexico, since 35W was already completed the needs test was met and mediation would be to not run a freeway through the middle of Saint Paul.
The State was who we were fighting and they got the judge to require that all of the parties of the law suit be property owners in the effected area and that our properties had to be available to the state as compensation for any losses they had if they won the case. All of us who signed the suit believed that our case was strong enough that we'd bet our house on it.
Ultimately the State offered the settlement. They offered to build a parkway instead, no trucks, 45MPH speed limit. We agreed to let them build the road with those conditions.
So, we didn't sue to get 45 MPH we sued to stop the morons who run the government from creating more urban sprawl and destroying the cites. Those boobs said the freeway would bring jobs to the city... on the day they cut the ribbon opening 35E West Publishing announced they were moving to the burbs (freeway made it easy for people to get to Eagan).
I'm also one of the guys who fought them from putting up a 40 foot high exit ramp on Sheppard Road at Chestnut. Because of that we have the new Science Museum on the River instead.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
you are a good man Chuck.
Don't hold your breath Chuck for these folks to correct themselves on their accusations. See, that how they operate. They accuse with no evidence or support, just a hatred for whomever is not barking their 'company line'.
The story that Bob relays is horrible. I too am curious on when, why and how it happened.
Leslie, you can archive back and find it, but I posted the direct number to Dept. Justice in DC and their Housing attorneys. These guys have taken on Philadelphia, Chicago and Las Vegas and won. I have friends (lightly used term) who are civil rights attorneys there. No one called. A year or so ago, they were contacted but no one followed through with evidence. <---- That's why I don't give the benefit of doubt to the landlords in this particular RICO suit.
Now back to having evidence behind the accusations. I see a lot of blame going to the DFL which is easy. Its a faceless entity. However what's forgotten is that while the DFL held power in the city, the Republicans have been in control at the state and national level. You're posing that the city was able to force through purposly discriminatory policies but, could not hold on to it Local Government Aid that the state cut by billions?
It doesn't add up.
Eric
Clarification:
LGA cut by 'millions' to Saint Paul.
Eric
Bob,
thanks for taking the term 'Nazi' out of the title.
While you certainly have a case for the term 'strong arm' and maybe even 'bully' but, I'm a believer that the Nazis are in a special class in the bowels of history and unless their is some genocidal policy in effect (not symbolic- real), it cheapens the horror of the holocaust.
Eric
NAZIs started out with the same atitude the city council has now. They went after a certain groups housing, just as they are now. It was even in the name of public saftey as is the case now. Go figure, if the name fits......just because they haven't gotten around to rolling people into furnaces yet doesn't mean they are not NAZIs.
Repke, Ron also was a neighbor to Betty Moran of the West End Federation.I'm sure you know her.She was the main influence in the targeting of Ron Lydon.Ron was a pack rat due to the fact he grew up with nothing and when he aquired something he kept it.
So lets leave it in the citys hands to decide when someone needs to move.The city can't even balance the budget.
Chuck why did they need a 6'7" 270+ pound cop with them to make the determination Ron needed to live at Winslow?Ah I guess 69 year old men can still throw down.
By the way this story came from mid 06.
Louise Seeba keep defending these crooks.I believe she is the attorney defending these CROOKS.Is she?
Hi All,
Let's make something perfectly clear. The state, county, city, voters republicans and democrats are all responsible for the current housing code issues. This stuff has gone as far as the legislature.
The voters who think it is perfectly OK to violate the little guys rights in the name of public safety are responsible for this mess.
A large bureaucracy has been built around code enforcement. When they are through with the little guy, we all will be stuck with this big bureaucracy in the DSI that finds themselves with nothing to do.
NEXT, they will be knocking on the private residential home owners doors to have a look inside. Then the very people who were OK with OTHERS rights being violated in the name of decreased tax's and public safety, will be offend and demand a change.
Hopefully, LAWSUITS will bring about change before this day comes.
This housing issue is complex. It involves a failed crime strategy of weeding out the criminal element within our neighborhoods. "Get Rid Of The Nest Get Rid Of the Critter". It involves a strategy to deconcentrate poverty within the inner city to lessen the tax burden on working class citizens.
The dfl is not solely responsible for the crisis we are having over housing issues.
Praise the Lord I am a LIBERTARIAN!
I'm an Attorney watching this blog and the 3 lawsuits and believe these types of stories are going to leave the city exposed to enormous judgements.
Dan
Milwaukee
Look folks Betty is pretty much an angel on West Seventh Street. She has been working for the community for more than 25 years. If Betty was the one trying to help Ron out, then I am guessing he was probably in pretty rough shape and needed some assistance.
Leaving senior citizens alone in houses filling with trash is not doing them a favor.
I am guessing that Mr Lydon must have been having some "issues" if Betty felt that he needed to consider some place safer to live.
I guess you guys would have been happier if he would have died in the house.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck lets get something straight,you are now assuming something you know nothing about.
I in fact took the interview from Ron himself and he looked pretty healthy.Also Betty Moran had an axe to grind with Mr.Lyden.The house was not filled with trash and his house didn't look any different than Thunes.
You guys and in the name of safety.Bull!!I love how Chuck cries for evidence, gets it and then puts his Government spin on it without knowing a damn thing.
Did you notice how Chuck just swept the fact of a 6'7" 275+ cop named Dean under the rug.Was he there to carry Ron because he was so elderly that he couldn't walk?No to gain access through force so they could condemn.Ron was scared of how big Koenen was.They forced Ron to sell through condemnation and the vacant code.Dropping the value of his estate.
Chuck, Ron would have been happier leaving dead out of his home than the Winslow.
Everybody just read the story again.
Tim Ciani
Eric,
Just so you know, the amount of LGA was changed way back in 2003. The city knew way back in 2003 that St. Paul would be getting less money. What does Chris Coleman do, he increases spending by $17 million and tries to blame the governor for cutting LGA. Eric it was cut back in 2003 by the state leg, not the governor.
I am tired of the DFL line about the governor cutting LGA. The stse leg changed the formula back in 2003.
Next, if you or Chuck says anything about the 0% property budgets for St. Paul for the last 12 years is the cause of our budget woes, Chris Coleman and Kathy Lantry voted for these 0% property tax budgets.I have copies of the votes. So you can't use that lame old line that they did not approve of them.
I would like to once for our current office holders to take responsibility for their actions instead of passing the buck.
OK and now a pretend person says he was the one that posted this thing in the first place and wrote the story.
Tim - come out of the closet, and give some credibility to this.
On the City's site there isn't anything other than all of the work the new owner has done. Was there ever any council action on this, or is what we are saying is that the inspectors showed up and this guy moved to Wislow and then you found him there and determined there must have been an injustice?
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
No Chuck I'm a real person with real questions and facts.
Ron was forced to move and his house was blue tagged vacant.I'm sorry you can't find it on the cities web site.Why don't you call Magner I'm sure he'd let you knows.I talked to Ron in his back yard when he was packing his belongings.Sad Chuck,real sad!!
Chuck I now know you are a hitman for St.Paul.You try to spin all evidence.This story is as real as the pictures of Thunes properties.
I will not come out of the closet until justice is served.I'm working hard to expose corruption.I do much better work in the dark.Chuck someday you will know who I am and be surprised.
Lets see folks Chuck has still not addressed the 6'7" 275+ cop that the inspectors bring around with them to strong arm tenants and homeowners.
I'm calling any inspector with an ounce of dignity please come out and tell the people of this fine City why Dean Keonen is in NHPI.
Chuck just think if the city treated Thunes Dad like this.I remember I pulled the pictures of his Dads run down shack off of my photo bucket out of respect for him.I guess I have more dignity the the likes of people like you.
Tim Ciani
No Chuck I'm a real person with real questions and facts.
Ron was forced to move and his house was blue tagged vacant.I'm sorry you can't find it on the cities web site.Why don't you call Magner I'm sure he'd let you knows.I talked to Ron in his back yard when he was packing his belongings.Sad Chuck,real sad!!
Chuck I now know you are a hitman for St.Paul.You try to spin all evidence.This story is as real as the pictures of Thunes properties.
I will not come out of the closet until justice is served.I'm working hard to expose corruption.I do much better work in the dark.Chuck someday you will know who I am and be surprised.
Lets see folks Chuck has still not addressed the 6'7" 275+ cop that the inspectors bring around with them to strong arm tenants and homeowners.
I'm calling any inspector with an ounce of dignity please come out and tell the people of this fine City why Dean Keonen is in NHPI.
Chuck just think if the city treated Thunes Dad like this.I remember I pulled the pictures of his Dads run down shack off of my photo bucket out of respect for him.I guess I have more dignity the the likes of people like you.
Tim Ciani
Better yet Chuck do you see a problem if the city is using a 6'7" 275+ cop to intimidate tenants,home owners or landlords to get into properties?
Simple question.
Tin Ciani
I think that other than words, Chuck just doesn't care.
2:28
You can get tired all you want. The 2003 cuts in LGA was in the budget approved by the Governor after refuting the budgets with LGA cuts- not so deep. He sent the budget back. At the time the DFL had a two of three seat majority in the Senate and were in the minority in the house. The governor signed the House budget version. They only needed a couple of DFLers in the senate to go their way.
Last year, the governor sent bills back with some kind of LGA restoration and vetoed increases. He refused to hold session this Fall unless he was assured that local government aid was not included on the agenda.
In 2003 our mayor was Randy Kelly. You're the only one calling the Norm Coleman supporting, George Bush endorsing, fee raising, public service privatizing, short-term budgeting mayor a DFLer.
You also have some idea that LGA is some socialist tool. We pay the taxes, yet, we aren't getting the bang for our buck. That socialist tool, LGA, supports socialist programs like a police department, fire department and public works to maintain our roads.
Eric
Eric,
You said, "You also have some idea that LGA is some socialist tool. We pay the taxes, yet, we aren't getting the bang for our buck. That socialist tool, LGA, supports socialist programs like a police department, fire department and public works to maintain our roads."
I think I hit a nerve, as I did not say Socialist or Socialism in my post about LGA.
Now that we are on the topic of LGA, where does this money come from? Answer, it came from other taxpayers across Minnesota. This what you call redistribution of wealth a basic principle of Socialism.
Another tenant of Socialism is knowing what is "better" for the people. The Germans, Russians and Chinese practiced this. Locally in St. Paul this is known as the smoking ban, housing codes that is oppressive to the lower class and the list goes on.
The DFL's party platform could be taken right out of the socialist platform.
If the progressive DFL party of today has their way the people will have no rights and the government will own all property, in other words socialism. Everyone is equal, meaning too bad for the individual who uses his talents to get ahead, the state will just take away his property and give it to someone who is refuses to get off their duff. The government will control all for your own good. It is happening in England and many other western countries as I write this.
Eric, so now that you brought it up, yes, the current DFL Party of today is pure socialism, and does not represent the DFL of yesteryear.
Look at what is going on with Clinton and Obama. It sure looks like racism to me.
Chuck go ahead and answer Tim.he must not be able to get a hold of Thune so he can see what to say.
Keep at him Tim.What you do is great.No lies just facts.
Kevin
you can bet your whole fortune that the big cop was strictly for intimidation. I'm told he's not all that bright.
I also wouldn't be as concerned with the state's cutting the funds for the City as I would be concerned with the $100 million dollar judgement the City gets slapped with when the plaintiff's get through court. Not to mention the lawsuits to follow. You council people and City officials think this is a joke or a low estimate? And the City Atty. certainly isn't doing much of a job protecting the Citizens from the criminal acts of people working within our City. WAKE UP
Hi my name is Linda and I was steered here to read the story about Ronald Lyndon.The same thing happened to one of my family members using a big cop.We have beeen thinking about hiring an attorney.This story really backs the fact that we should.
Thanks to who ever posted this story.
Linda
Bob,
While it might not be possible, it would be nice if A Democracy could place a sticker describing the blog next to the blue city stickers on the houses.
Hey Bob......maybe you could get the city to put up your blog address when they post the propeties vacant!
Now for the more serious side:
To Linda
You need to contact an Attorney and go after the city. Find the landlords Attorney and talk to him. They have the proof and then some that's needed to prove these cases. There are a couple of city employees that contacted that Attorney and told him where and what to look for regarding the city's corruption practices.
Chuck,
Still no response to Tim's question of why the NHPI needs a
6'7" 300+ lb cop with them on their inspections???
Is your tail between your legs chuck? Or does Gloria have it?
You are as full of SH_T as your buddy Mr Thune!
Andy
8:20, soon I will be following the city council agenda closely concerning housing issues.
I am formatting literature now for distribution at public meetings and for citizens who have administrative court hearings.
SO,, I will be spending a great deal of time at city hall.
Sorry folks, I only know what I read here. I have never met (to my knowledge) the cop in question and wouldn't know how much he weighs.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
How about if we send him over to sit on you?
Mr. Lydon 651-298-1497
Keep up the good work Tim.
Chuck do you see a problem if the city is using a 6'7" 275+ cop to intimidate tenants,home owners or landlords to get into properties?
Second time with same question.You don't need to know him Chuck.Is there a problem with this if they are doing it?
See folks Chuck has a real hard time when faced with the truth.
Tim Ciani
Tim - you are asking me questions that I can't have answers to. I have never seen the City try to intimidate anyone to move out of there house.
This story doesn't read the same to me as it does to you. To me it sounds like Mr Lydon was living alone, had no one watching out for him, had let his home fall into disrepair and may have been living in some rough conditions. The City inspector rather than just slamming him with notices or any effort at eviction, encourages him to move into a very safe and nice senior home (Thune's mother-in-law lived there for a long time). Sounds like the folks there worked with him to allow him time to move in and the City didn't tag the place until after he was safely moved out. Sounds like he was able to sell it and not to anyone that the City works with!
And this gentleman, still thinks that he would rather be at his house, well I have no idea what was going on with him, but the "pack-rat" stuff you talk about is also a sign of dementia in many a senior citizen.
Sounds to me like a lot of effort from the City to help this guy out and a pretty ugly view of the world from our pretend person Tim.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck do you see a problem if the city is using a 6'7" 275+ cop to intimidate tenants,home owners or landlords to get into properties?
THIRD time with same question.You don't need to know him Chuck.Is there a problem with this if they are doing it?Would there be a problem with this if this is something they do?
I'm not asking you if you've seen it.The question for the FOURTH time is:Would there be a problem with using a 6'7" 275+ cop to intimidate?
Folks be patient with Chuck here.I know your getting dizzy with all the spin but he'll answer the simple question hopefully soon.
Chuck maybe we should just ask Mr.Thune so we quit playing this telephone game.
Chuck 69 is old but isn't Thunes Dad 80.Maybe we should send him to the Winslow.He looks like he's a pack rat and his house is obviouly in disrepair.Folks should we send Dean Keonen over there to box him up and send him to the Winslow.
Chuck as soon as you answer this question I have another one.
Tim Ciani
The question for the FOURTH time is:Would there be a problem with using a 6'7" 275+ cop to intimidate?
Yes, if that was the purpose it would be wrong, but what are you saying that Saint Paul should only have short skinny police officers?
As to the Thune reference, give me a break I don't talk to Dave about this shit and I don't work for Dave. I left the City 12/31/97 its over ten years ago, give it a rest.
Just My Opinion Not Those Of My Employers Past Present Or Future
(JMONTOMEPPOF)
Chuck Repke
Tim, do you have proof the city assigned this large police officer to this task maliciously?
He is probably a gentle giant like most big men.
After reading here for a number of months I understand why you use a fake name. You don't want to be arrested for harassment.
Chuck Said:Yes, if that was the purpose it would be wrong, but what are you saying that Saint Paul should only have short skinny police officers?
Tim Says:No I'm not saying they should only have short skinny cops.I am saying that Ron felt threatened by his size and that was the reason he let them in.If the city is using Dean Keonen's size to gain entry into units or to comply then thats against the law.The city needs to get a search warrant.Also the city should have let Ron know his rights before intimidating to gain entry.If Ron wouldn't have let these crooks into his house he'd still be calling it home due to the fact the city wouldn't have had enough evidence for a search warrant.
And the thing your missing here Chuck is why do they need a cop along with them to help a 69 year old man into assisted living?
The reason he is there is for the inspectors safety.
Chuck this is the tip of the ice berg.Many more home owners have been intimidated by Dean Keonen.These inspectors of St.Paul know why Dean Keonen is with them and its just a matter of time before one of these guys with dignity come forward.
Tim Ciani
Amanda where have I harrassed anybody or told lies?And yes I have mountains of evidence.
I come in waves with information so I don't murky the water to much.I give facts and let people form their own judgement.Time will tell if what I do changes the current situation in the City.Like me or not I'm here to stay.
Tim Ciani
Tim or who ever you are.
I feel what you did to Dave Thune was harassment.
Weren't you responsible for the troubles the police chief had with his rental unit too. i felt this too was harassment.
Amanda said:
I feel what you did to Dave Thune was harassment.
Tim Says:I don't.But thanks for your concern.
Daves a big boy and a public official.I put pictures on photo bucket and the Pioneer Press put them on the front page.Dave said he was fair game.
Chief Harrington was a victim of the complaint based system.If you don't like it change it!!
Amanda if you don't like the fact that i hide behind the name of Tim Ciani due to the fact I am scared of retaliation.And yes St.Paul is good at this.
So Amanda Hug-N-Kiss why don't you put your full name down?Are you affraid of retaliation?I UNDERSTAND.
Amanda thanks for thinking your a great sport.
Tim Ciani
I heard that someone has come forward and I think Repke and his buddies will be very suprised with the new evidence that has been harvested.
This Dean Keonen guy is very well known for being a intinidation factor.
Chuck and Amanda, Tims got you here.
In the current dsay climate of so much corruption everywher wether it be Republican or Democrat, I find it very bewildering that some people here act like they have their head in the sand even in light of the voluminous evidence and testimony that's been presented here from court records and other reliable places.
I am absoloutly dumbfonded that seemingly inteligent people come here and have an axe to grind with Tim about exposing The conditions of Thune and others homes given the fact that these people are the ones pushing for "Gestapo" tactics regarding code enofrcment against citizens when Thune himself lives in a house that should be torn down according to the photos I saw.
Where are your people's brains? Do you have any at all?
Well said 4:19.Watching for awhile and decided to speak up.Theres been a lot of info that has made my nose wrinkle.All I can say is Chucks a government guy.Without government Chuck wouldn't have a job.You could show him a bag of shit, have him smell it and he'd say it was chocolate.
Whats the beef with Tim?He's always right on.Tim I don't care who you are as long as you keep informing us.
Kevin
I just drove through old Frogtown. Just about every third house has a blue sticker on the door. It is clear that the city is targeting the poor.
The dipshits running the city could learn from Admiral Yamamoto's quote following the Japanese criminal actions at Pearl Harbor, "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."
Thanks guys for everything.I wish I could tell me story so you all could hear.But my attorney said I should not talk about it.
Yes Chuck and Amanda this big cop has intimidated to gain entry with more than Ron the 69 year old man.You make me sick with how you stand up for St.Pauls actions.
I have moral values and hope something like this never happens to you or someone you love.
Linda
6:26 - I use my name here and I have had someone or someones on this list turn me in to the inspectors on at least two occations (and I expect more, but there have been two f'ing write ups).
One time they sent out the inspectors and I got written up for "chalking paint." That means when you ran your hands on my slate siding on a dry summer's day some paint dust could come off. That require me to paint the house.
And more recently to show how the inspectors can get into anyone's house someone called and said there was over crowding in my duplex (four people live there between the two units). Of course the tenant let them in to inspect the entire inside of the duplex to detemine how many people lived there, since someone on this list said there was overcrowding.
My point is that no matter what anyone says here, the City of Saint Paul treats all of us pretty much the same, or they wouldn't be giving me these God Damn write ups every time one of you ass holes call them....
Sorry that just came out...
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Cry me a river Chuck.Atleast the City didn't take your property.
But let me guess the city doesn't take properties.
Tim Ciani
Tim - the City can't "take" properties without compensating the owners. The state (through the County) can "take" properties for failing to pay taxes, but the City can't.
I know, in your world the state and the county and the city and the Fed's are all one in the same and George Bush calls up Chris Coleman and says I don't like this guy with the house on the corner, go take it and then Chris call Tim Pawlenty and he calls someone at the county and they take the poor guys house.
That is why the forecloser rates are so high in Nevada and Florida and California... because the City of Saint Paul has these mean inspectors that are intimidating all of those people in Reno to flea their houses.
Sheesh...
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
If they wrote you up for chalking paint and made you repaint because of it Chuck then they issued an illegal order. How does it feel? This is one of the things people are bitching about and you atick up for, so what are you complaining about ?
Chuck the city of St.Paul takes properties in a round about way and have the proof to prove it.
Give me ample time and the proof will be released.
Chuck it is just a matter of time the city of St.Paul will come crumbeling down!
Tim Ciani
Just curious Linda......are you going to be bringing a lawsuit against the city in the future?
Chuck, you are not one of the people the city is targetting, and have gotten 'kid glove' treatment. The other side of the coin is where the city inspectors call in complaints, and then force their way into peoples' homes, using all manner of trickery, and then condemn their homes, making extremely punitive demands.
Oh, but you are wrong Chuck.
When the city tears down a house and bills the homeowner, is this not taking away property without paying for it?
You are really full of poop with your lame arguments here.
Thune and you have gotten a free ride by the city. I know as I work for the city. You can try and BS the people here, but you are the laughing stock of city employees.
Should we ask some of the Citizens Service Office to really spill the beans Chucky.
Thune's house is a dump, just like his other property the "Mad Hatter." The Fire Department knows where their pay check comes from if you know what I mean Chuck, don't you Chucky.
1:47 said "When the city tears down a house and bills the homeowner, is this not taking away property without paying for it?"
Actually, no that isn't taking away property without paying for it. "Property" means "Real Property" and that is Land, the good Earth folks. The City can remove refuse and charge you for that. It is an abatement. A service delivered by the City.
This isn't just Saint Paul that does this folks this is how any City uses its powers to maintain public health. So, if your house is falling over or is an attractive nuisense the City has the power to order you to repair or remove it or they can remove it for you.
Again this happens every where not just in Saint Paul.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Your crazy Repke.....stark raving mad if you will! Now your trying to say the city is providing a "service" to you by tearing down your home? You've losy it Chuck! Gone right off the deep end.
12:48 My family and I are in talks with an attorney.We are actually going to be watching the way these 3 lawsuits in court travel through the system.The City needs to be punished so they never do what they continue to do ever again.
Linda
I think that Chuck's comment denying that the city takes property away without paying for it is insincere.
Chuck, how about the truth?
Good for you Linda. I think you'll see that those lawsuits have more than enough proof to take down a city this ignorant and arrogant.
Linda,
I think the city is causing deep psychological problems as well. The traumatic experiences, which many people are not prepared to handle, lead to deeply emotional decisions, that may affect peoples' self-concept. These in turn result in the cases of suicide, stress death, stress problems and broken families we have seen by good people who have always been loving and caring.
This is a legacy of the vicious bureaucratic cynicism by the city.
Sorry folks that is how the abatement process works. You are notified that there is garbage on your property (including a trashed building) and if you don't clean it up yourself the City will remove it for you (provide a service that they can put on your taxes).
The only property that the courts view as the City "taking" from you is real property, your land. The City doesn't take your land away. The state (using the county) might take your land/property for back taxes, but the City does not.
You do not have the right to have a pile of garbage on your land. Find me the law that allows you to. As I have debated here before find me anywhere in the constitution where you get any property rights other than the rights unde eminent domain.
The City doesn't take property, it removes trash and bills you for it.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Right Chuck,
And the city concocts this "code compliance" standard, claiming that anything that doesn't meet it is trash, and knowing full well that virtually none of the older homes, and many of the newer homes in town don't meet it. Then they act at whim to destroy peoples' investments (which in common language usage is property).
Since there are virtually limitless numbers of codes (no one has ever tried to enforce them all because it is impossible).
The code compliance requirements they demand are extremely punitive.
You base your points on a twisted view of property rights that are not in the constitution.
Chuck,
Regarding the allodial land issue, I don't expect anyone here is willing to re-enter the lengthy arguments that you and Nancy Lazarian had. I and most people found it mind numbing and beyond me (interested persons can look it up in the A Democracy archives.
Given the extreme attention it received, I expect that it is a key point the city is using to justify its actions.
This is a clear break from past interpretations by the city, and a clear break from interpretations everywhere else. It does not pass the test of reasonableness. This looks like a point to be discussed in a courtroom, but I expect the City Attorney was in error, and possible under pressure in making that interpretation.
"A trashed building"......would that be like the building at 14 Jessamine Chuck? A lot of us got to see how trashy that one was!
Exactly - Jessamine is the perfect example. The City did not take the land it removed the building.
For five years the City tried to get the owners to bring it up to code and they never did, finally the City removed the building.
They did not take the land, they cleaned the land of the piled up wood.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck I just can't believe what I am seeing in your posts. You talk out both sides of your mouth.
What they did at 14 W. Jessamine was WRONG. We all saw the pictures and some of us even toured the house. What the city did was WRONG in this case.
It was wrong of city employees to take materials from the property.
Tearing down a house like at 14 W. Jessamine was taking property. It may not have been dirt, but it was physical property. A house is a piece of property that is connected to the property, land, dirt.
A house has value. Tearing down a house down like what was done at 14 W. Jessamine was wrong. New windows, sinks bathroom, etc... All has value. For the city to do what they did was wrong. I know a guy who has a place on West 7th who should have had his building torn down for failing to get permits for the work he did. You might know this individual, his name is Dave Thune. Same sort of stuff at 14 W. Jessamine, work done without permits. I say Dave Thune's property should be treated like they treated 14 W. Jessamine. Fair is fair Chuck now isn't it.
Ladies and Gentleman Tim Ciani has another Friend going under cover with him.His name is Joe Tacardi.He will help me bring Justice to St.Paul.
Hey Chuck how about I send Joe Tacardi over to your property to restack the lumber on yours and Thunes house.
Chuck when you sell a house you can't take a light out of the ceiling because it is called a fixture.But you say a house can be tore down because its not fixed to the land.What a narrow mind you have,I'd like to sell you a house with that mentality.
Tim Ciani
Be aware of Mr.Tacardi!!
The dirt little sceret the city DOES NOT want you to know is that the wrok done on 13 Jessamine WAS done under permit, and it was done by licensed contractors. The city put the spin on the situation that there were not permits because city inspectors had not signed off on the permits yet. Just one more way they twist everything to look like something it's not. And this is what we see the likes of Chuck and Eric and Amanda sticking up for all the time. St Paul has become a dirty and disgusting place to live or work. I'm glad I am out of there finally.
Oh Oh Tims got a new friend, can't wait to see the dirt.
Kevin
If this Tacardi guy digs as much dirt as Ciani does the citys in a world of hurt.
I bet Chuck is really the laughingstock around the city after this one.
Any friend of Tim's is a friend of mine. It sounds like Mr. Tacardi is a decent man with a lot of class.
Folks - I am just telling you what the law is. You may not like it. You may wish it were something else, but the reason why these guys are trying to sue in Federal court on racketeering charges is that the state courts are clear that the actions of the City are legal. City's have the power to protect the public health. If they give proper notice they can remove refuse and that is what the City does.
All of the case against the City that are talked about on this list hinge on the flimsy angle that some how there is a conspiracy by elected and appointed official to target particular land lords to benefit the Public Housing agency and/or unnamed/unknown developers.
We have not seen on this list any explination of how in the hell that works or who got anything out of these landlords demize.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck all I can say is emails speak loudly.End of story.Chuck do you see the swirl?Thats the Cities defense going down the toilet.
Chuck if the city has you mentality then they are in a world of hurt!
And another thing Chuck.....innocent people do not destroy emails and evidence! I know some of the people in those lawsuits and in the end I think your going to be suprised at the amount of resources they put into developing this case. The best part of the whole thing Chuck is that the city is going to get to pay for all those "resources." Perhaps out of money they would have given to one of your projects. Will you be as supportive of their tactics then as you are now?
Chuck will not understand until his funding is terminated.
Chuck would be unemployed without government.Actually Chuck is an extension of government hiding in the wool.
Someone I know,knows Frank Villaume whos know with the unemployment offices and he sure thinks theres more to these cases than Chuck leads us to believe.
Birdie
Chuck Said:You may wish it were something else, but the reason why these guys are trying to sue in Federal court on racketeering charges is that the state courts are clear that the actions of the City are legal.
I say: This is exactly the reason they took it to federal court.Usually courts don't make decisions on cases before all evidence and discovery is done.What Chuck is saying is yhe state has already made up their mind on the case without hearing any evidence.Good court system Chuckie Cheese.
hey chuck,
I heared that feb 25,2008, will be a day for you to remember.
More bad news will coming out about the city of St.Paul. That
the landlords will be file more charges against the city and with
proof. And April 4,25 2008 are
days of hearings for the the lawsuit against the city. Sounds like more bad news will be coming
out at the hearings. It be more like what happend to MPLS city council. The judge will tell the city to get ready for the big trial on Aug 10,2008.
No way out for the city now. You will be looking for a job and more
proprety tax incease to be a least
250% increase. Per homes. You will need a second job to pay your proprety taxes in 2009.
My wife and I are planning to move from the great city of St.Paul in 2009. Because will to not want to pay in taxes.
Its seems that more and more people are moving out the St.Paul Ares. I know of at least about
10 famlies that move out in the last three weeks from the city of St.Paul. More vacants homes in frogtown. Its seems more like ghost
town. Well, how is the city going to it cut for the proprety taxes with those vacants homes??
And city of St.Paul is tearing down one house a day in frogtown(ghosttown)that is five in one week for four weeks in a month.
MMmm that means that 20 homes torn down in a month. What happends when it goings for 10 or 12 month?
Maybe 220 homes tear down one year. Alot of taxes dollars missing!!?? bye bye st.paul
Amanda,
You will need to hire chuck. He is going be needing a job soon than later.
Yopu might want to check out the city council hearing and talk to
your council person about you new taxes increase. You might want to call the mayor for some help in pay your proprety taxes next years.
You need start to check out the lawsuits and how they will effect you (if the city lose it.)
You seems like a smart person but
are dumb about the city.
on how they treat people and throw people out of their homes.
Need to wake up and smell the roses.
before they thorw you out of your home. Or increase you taxes .
I remember when the pheasants moved back into Detroit because so much was tore down. It will be the same thing in Frogtown. However Detroit will look like a picnic compared to St. Paul.
Chuck,
Now that Nancy L. is "off on her protest" you think that you can get away with saying the most outrageous things.
Amanda,
You are posting again, is that because you were too afraid to debate with Nancy L?
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