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Regarding code enforcement and discriminatory enforcement issues, is it
somewhat justifiable for a citizen neighbor to call code enforcement on another
neighbor who happens to be very wealthy but seems to be getting away with making
major repairs, when in fact others not so well off are struggling to keep up with work
orders say, the type magner and co. are handing out ?
I know of a situation where this wealthy neighbor of mine has neglected major repairs
on his property for many years and code enforcement couldn't have missed it ! !
It appears they have ignored it .
I seem to think that If this person has been getting special treatment , he ought to
be turned in, in the name of letting code enforcement know that they are being watched
for instances where it appears they are taking exceptions to some landlord /
homeowners over others they simply want to run out of town or get rid of ( Rico ).
Please if you would, post this for comment.
Jeff Matiatos.
What is sad on this is just how many people on the list see code enforcement as a game or a "gotcha."
Out in the real world, where I work in an East Side neighborhood, when I get a complaint, I ask the complaining neighbor if they have talked to their neighbor about the issue. I also explain what happens if/when it is called in to the City.
There are many times when the issue is tall grass or shoveling when the person who is making the complaint heres from me what the City does, decides to actual help their neighbor out instead of calling code on them.
Two that stick out was a guy who called who had new neighbors that hadn't mowed the lawn since they bought the place and a woman who called about her neighbors sidewalk.
On the one with the lawn issue after the guy and I talked he decided that maybe the new owners had bought a lawn mower yet, so he sent his kid over to mow the grass and the two neighbors got a chance to know each other while his kid mowed the grass.
With the unshoveled side walk, once I explained that the City would charge her neighbor $200 an hour if they did the work, she said, "Oh I just thought the City would do it for a nice senior like Martha, I guess I can help her out."
It's just sad that people get a perverse pleasure from hurting instead of helping. There is a reason for code enforcement and the issues need to be resolved, but you don't have to have so much fun turning in your neighbor.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Thanks for your point of view chuck,it is reasonable and
fair.
I guess my real beef with this issue is that some of these rich
folks over here on summit avenue
and pay big property taxes.
Pretty big incentive for the city to give these rich folks more
leway than the eastsiders.
Dont want to chase those rich folks out now.
I am talking about a wealthy homeowner who wont spend 15-20
thousand dollars to repair an eight foot high 250 ft brick wall running up his driveway,ready
to collapse.
It appears this wall has been neglected for many many years.
Thanks though for your thoughts
Chuck.
Jeff Matiatos.
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I guess your responce Bob suggests
that instead of assuming this
neighbor is getting special treatment, we should talk to the neighbor to see whats up, maybe he needs some help.
Given what we know about the RICO
claims out there, we should suspect
that code enforcement IS ENGAGED in discriminatory enforcement .
The City has an agenda to rid the City of its so called undesireables who happen to be landlords and homeowners just trying to make a life of living in this city.
The city is blind to the fact that the actions of code enforcement are driving good hard working, landlords out .
They pay their share of taxes to and deserve the same consideration
as the rest of its citizens.
Since property taxes pay for so many of our public services, its hard to figure why mayor coleman,
who we are sure is aware of the RICO claims, doesnt fire Magner.
I have seen parking enforcement
discriminate when issuing tickets.
If anybody wants, I will be happy
to explain.
I just want to see that code enforcement would be fair thats all..
Wealthys have no excuse not to maintain their propertys .
Thanks Bob.
Jeff Matiatos
The best I can determine on my house, an inspector called in the complaint.
With the city demanding $40K or more code compliance inspections, they also have a responsibility to be fair and reasonable.
This "complaint driven" system is easily manipulated for different reasons, and is inherently unfair.
Bob G.
To add to my earlier comment, the 'code compliance' requirement, which most older houses don't meet, is extremely punitive.
Bob G.
The way I see it is two wrongs don't make it right either, turning in a neighbor would be putting the neighbor in the same position that many of us are complaining about with the code compliance.
Why would you want to punish a neighbor for something that you feel is wrong with the system and the way they are handling property complaints its not the neighbors fault the city has come to these tactics?
You would be doing it just to prove a point which does not justify putting anyone through the process with code officials.
There has to be a better way to get some changes within the city and the handling these complaints, someone just has to figure out a better way and bring those idea's to the city officials, but that person would have to be someone the city respects and is willing to listen to.
Nancy O.
The Citys bizzare policy to take complaints without letting the owner know Who and What the Complaints are about,1,319 vacant buildings 14 Jessamine included, has led to Citys, Complicity,Confusion, We're getting ready for another Boston Tea Party.Stealing Sharons Car without Tickets,Probable Case, then to Ratify Assessments based on Theft is Citys Criminal Intent
http://citizenery-mncourts.blogspot.com PS My neighbors cut my tree, currently they are denied permits for deck, based on Historic Guidelines?
By info and belief the City of St. Paul is bankrupt or close to it.
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Special treatment goes on in St.Paul, it starts with these older home that Thune would like to allocate money for these historical homes in St.Paul to fix them up for the owners.
Will Thune earmark money?
Designate and distribute and they stall anything that would help the regular people of St.Paul.
Thunes home would be getting FREE City money and his friends whom perches these older home to make money off them.
These people are investors they will sell it to make some big $,$$$,$$$,$$$
The regular people who buys a homes, know that will be the only home that they would ever own.
These regular people are the ones that these Code Cops are on their backs for everything they can and continue to fine them as they try so hard to comply with the city.
I see that they give list of things that are not really what the complaint first was, the people try to comply and they just make it harder for the regular people to comply.
In Dave Thunes ward 2 was a "Historical" House on the corner of George St and Humboldt Ave that, the retaining wall washed out over two years ago, and they let the rock from the wall on the boulevards all that time.
The wall was never repaired, all you good loving people who kept getting screwed with, I think you should dive over there and see for your self.
Think of all the kids in that area that walk from school or going to the library that is across the street.
The two Nancy's should go and look.
I ask the lady that lives there how they got away with the wall being that way so long, and other have to fix their immediately.
She ask me -- what's it to me, I said back that I am Bill Dahn a candidate for Ward 2 and I would make sure a code inspector would be out.
They moved all the rock off the boulevard and raked it nice and neat. Everyone on this blog >> go over to the west side and look at the wall that was that way for two years.
Are they waiting for Thune to allocate city money for them and then they will fix it.
Chuck tell the code cop to do some thing about that house, or we will show how Thune and his "CODE COPS" play favoritism.
Any other home would have been condemn, or kept being fined.
http://www.billdahn.com
Thanks Bill, now it all makes sense.
OK Bill is exactly proving my point. There is a nice older couple who have been working on that old house for years. Why would any one want to turn them in for letting the stones sit on the boulavard while they redo the wall?
I mean these are people who have a living manger in their garage/barn for Christmas and good neighbor Bill wants to make sure they are punished.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
It's not sbout fixing the property up folks, it's about taking your money, because the city is short on money. There are areas where the city lets the violations continue and then they assess their "Excessive Use Fees" against the people that have not finished the work. Some people have been hit 5 and 6 times with this fee, which keeps escalating in price for each new one. The people don't have the money to pay so the city just puts it on their tax bill and gets the money when the taxes are paid. This happens all over town.
When people are paying these fines,
how can they afford to finish the work after the large fines.
Then they lose their homes.
Chuck theres a house that sits in disrepair between your house and Thune.It has a Thune for city council in the yard and sits on the corner.There are many houses by Thune that are in disrepair and Thune drives by them everyday.I'm sure he even drives by them before putting the screws to some landlord at an appeal.
My point is this,Why can this house sit in such a state of disrepair and Thune not to do his duty as a neighbor or city council member and impose the law of the city on his neighbor as he does to the rest of the city?
If the point is to repair all houses in the city equally lets do it.But if code enforcement is being used unequally and to address behavior we have a major problem.And I think from all the evidence we seem to have a problem.So lets reconize it Chuck.
We are not going away until this broken system is repaired.So Chuck you might want to let Dave know we are here to stay and getting more and more people to see the light!
Thanks everyone for commenting on this issue, I will tell you another story where this summer, there was an open house on summit ave. in one of the upscale mansion homes.
There were many cars trying to find parking.
They all decided, ( 20 ) of them
to park on a side of the street clearly marked no parking.
I called every one of them in and
made sure they got tickets.
Am I wrong ?
No way, these people drove expensive cars and still thought that they could park anywhere.
I noticed that parking enforcement reluctantly issued ticket to all but one vehicle with Kansas plates.
Had I not called it in, they all would have gotten free parking in a no parking zone.
Jeff Matiatos
Jeff, you have "WEE MAN" syndrome.
You are a broke ass penniless soul who feels you have no ability to attain the "American Dream" so you hate people who have worked hard for a living to have success.
With a little self examination you could get over your hate and achieve success yourself.
Okay 11:02, You probably already have the american dream already,and I dont subscribe to
your indoctinating point of view
of monkey see monkey do.
Try and address the issue friend instead of giving an excuse for why it is your to much of a coward
to leave your name.
Doesnt take money to put a woopin to your ass !
This is a democracy free speech
blog, and if you have any idea of what that means coward, leave your
name .
Jeff Matiatos
Careful with the ass-whooping threats Jeff. People may confuse you with me;)
Anyway, I have learned that 'rich' is a relative term. A person making 60,000/yr may think that one who brings in 160,000/yr is 'rich'. I can tell you that the one bringing home six figures probably has more debt and or obligations financially than the other. More money brings more opportunities to loose it.
I know a lot of business owners and attorneys that make a lot of money but, also have a lot of debt.
I'd wager that most of us are living month to month on our salary with very little actually saved up (not counting retirement).
That's the American reality.
Eric M.
Hi All,
I am amused at what is being said here.
Jeff you are assuming all these people who parked in the no parking zone were wealthy because they attended a wealthy neighbors get together. Wealthy people have family and friends who are not so well off.
If they were extremely wealthy. The parking ticket was nothing but a grain of sand on a beech. Many years ago I was a limousine chauffeur and I know for a fact, very wealthy people will spend thousands in one evening just having fun. Throw a penny in the trash and the feeling you get is the feeling they got when they seen the ticket.
If a law was broken the people who broke the law should be held responsible. But, I personally would not go out of my way to call parking enforcement to do something about it. Now, if I witnessed parking enforcement just driving by I'd probably call that in. I would also call the police for serious crime like a burglary in progress or robbery that kind of thing.
As for the rich neighbor who doesn't take care of his home. Once again this is an assumption. We have limited information. The neighbor lives in a nice house. Do we really know if he is financially secure. Might be in over his head financially. We don't know. That is why I said go over and talk to the neighbor. Maybe he has the money and didn't realize he was offending any neighbors.
"Do onto your neighbor as you would have them do onto you"
One more thing 11:02, most patrons
participating in discussion on this
blog seem to agree with me that Government here in St.Paul is corrupt for the most part.
Do you say what you have said about
me to others here who appear to
be on the same side of the issues as I ?
As to your information, Wherever
you got it, I am not broke, and
my finances have nothing to do with what we are talking about here.
I may have more money than you
coward.
In case I dont, at least I have somthing you dont have, courage to stand up with all the other folks here and do somthing about real issues and concerns.
Jeff Matiatos
Sure am glad I'm not your neighbor Jeff, you seem to be just the type of neighbor we all are complaining about. You have had problems with St.Paul and their policies so you are sharing your misery with others by turning them in for things that shouldn't concern you.
Does it make you feel better to see other people have problems?
Okay, Eric makes a point with me, and perhalps my calling in wasn't the most popular way of expecting the city to play on the level and not discriminate.
Yes, rich folks have bills to, but
that is every more reason for them to comply.
Well the next time you come into my neighborhood and see somthing
that makes you say " Gee, how come
they dont have to fix their homes and I had to ? "
Would any of you who think like 11:02 dare show up at city hall and ask the council why it happens ?
Dont expect city hall to do anything or give a straight answer .
Jeff Matiatos
Another comment for 11:02, maybe I
will go about it another way, I will apply for a job with code enforcement and then I will pay you
a visit.
I can assure you that I wont discriminate, but I will not treat
you any different than anybody else.
Does the fact that I dont have city
powers to police these issues change the fact that for rich
or poorer, we all need to be treated fairly ?
Its one thing for your neighbor to be throwing a party and disturbing your sleep, and you would ask them first to keep it quiet ?
How about when they dont, do you call the police ?
You dont want to do that now, right ?
Isnt that what you were trying to tell me ?
Most people would, neighbors or not..
This homeowner on summit permitted
an unsafe circumstance on his property that was neglected for years and if that wall would collapsed, it could have fallen on citizens.
You have tunnel vision my friend.
Jeff Matiatos
Eric Said:Anyway, I have learned that 'rich' is a relative term. A person making 60,000/yr may think that one who brings in 160,000/yr is 'rich'. I can tell you that the one bringing home six figures probably has more debt and or obligations financially than the other. More money brings more opportunities to loose it.
I say:
Welcome to the world of a landlord trying to make a buck to feed his family and the city comes along and codes him to the max to put him out of business.
The St.Paul Dream.
I think Jeff has some points, it
may seem to some of us that Jeff
seems to enjoy ratting out his neighbors, I dont entirely see it
that way.
I see nothing wrong with calling in those people violating the parking signs because they were not Jeffs so called neighbors,they were other rich folks as Jeff described,coming to St.Paul for an event and thinking that they were the exception to the rule.
As Jeff said, there were 20 vehicles on one side of the street
breaking the law.
Maybe Jeff didnt like the idea that those folks would come into his neighborhood and park illegally
when he lives there day in and day out,and is regulated, I dont know.
As to 11:02, just what is your vision of the American Dream ?
You must have perfect neighbors.
Ever rode a city bus ?
Ask some of those poor folks down at the Dorthy Day Center about the
American Dream.
11:02 just wants to live in a perfect world, and crumbles under the thought of someone daring to
say or do anything that threatens
his American Dream, whatever that is.
Jeff could use some better Judgment
perhalps, but he doesnt deserve the crap from 11:02.
At least he asks us for our opinion instead of trying to force
it on us !
Tom Severs from Oakdale.
I have to agree with 11:02.. He could have used a better choice of words but it does look like Jeff and now another poster here has a chip of envy on their shoulders.
"Get a job"!
Deal with it 6:03 / 11:02.
looks like you envy him !
What do you know about brick work
Nancy ?
Your right Bob, a parking ticket to
a wealthy person is like putting a nickel in a parking meter.
These people that I called in, parked illegally in full view
of the signs that indicated
NO PARKING.
A poor person would think twice before parking Illegally because he knows he cant afford the ticket.
I may or may not haverightly presumed that the homeowner was
getting special treatment, but I have lived in this neighborhood for 16 years and have not noticed any upkeep to said property issue.
Come on Bob, after so long, you would wonder to what was up with that to .
I have a confession to make of the
sort, now maybe you might see things a little different.
I have had my neighbors wrongly report and complain about my property without provocation
and I have proof.
Do on to others can be a double edged sword.
If they want to play hardball with me I can do that to.
In the instant matter, code enforcement and parking are under the same orders from city officials.
Lets talk about ticket Quotas by
parking enforcement !
Later Bob .
Sincerely,
Jeff Matiatos.
Nancy, you can come over to my house and clean out the trap on
my sewer pipes !
Sorry, dont have an umbrella>
Just woke up from a nap and realized I forgot to tell Nancy
to bring her tools.
Jeff, I have said before that the issue in code enforcement is as long as it is complaint driven it is alway going to appear to be unfair and/or discriminatory. But, because it appears that way doesn't mean that it is that way.
Your example of the cars parking in a no parking zone in Summit Hill is a good example of the victom thinking of the property rights folks on the list. You think that somehow these people were getting away with something and the police don't enforse the law and so everyone is currupt. The fact is when you called the cops they got tags. The law is enforsed equally, its just the cops can't be everywhere!
Its the same with code enforsement. People were bitching on edemocracy about how unfair enforsement is and then they turned in me and Thune. And guess what??? They gave us tags just like anyone else.
Call in anyone in the City you like and the code enforsement office will treat them the same. But they can't be everywhere in the City all at once on the same day. That is the crazy thinking that comes on this list.
We have a lot of "special people" on the list that the City is "out to get."
I hope that someday I can be as important as Bill, and Nancy and Nancy and Jeff.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Hello Everyone,
*I hope that someday I can be as important as Bill, and Nancy and Nancy and Jeff.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
10:30 PM
I hope that day never comes Chuck.
What would your issue be, INSULATION?
Corrupt JUDGES?
Corrupt Code Enforcement Officers?
Or maybe you could talk about the court cases you lost, or the cases you are losing!
I am starting to think this forum attracts people from the funny farm!
I can appreciate your view chuck, but I have at times, witnessed many instances of favoritism by the police, parking enforcement, and code enforcement.
I realize my telling my story has
pissed some people off, but there
is no clear cut solution or way of telling who is really the culprit.
Ever get the feeling you neighbor is watching you or has turned you in for somthing ?
Its not unheard of.
I happen to be very aware of whats going on in my immediate area and I
know where the police and parking enforcement are most always and occasionally observe how they do there jobs.
I see their bullshit all the time.
Those people who I called in for tags were all there for the same reason.
They all drove BMWs or better.
No excuse for them..
I am new to this blog, but I see you have alot of input and you take alot of heat.
I think people like 11:02 and 6:03
think I am always like that which they described.
They dont have a clue as to what my
issues are over here.
Of course code enforcement is necessary, but not the present form.
About that homeowner up here with the badly neglected property ?
The guy buys new cars every 3 months and throws parties every month or so.
Hope that brick wall of his doesnt fall on any of his guests.
Later Chuck.
Jeff Matiatos
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you people are looney!
while your out fixing retaining walls there is a bridge over 35w that needs some repair.
Hey folks, the new police chief says that its legal to require parking enforcement issue 55 plus
tags per officer.
He says police officers cant engage in Quota tagging but parking enforcement officers can because they are not " Police Officers "
Why do they drive in vehicles that say POLICE and have POLICE on their
plates.
I sued parking enforcement and they acknowledged that they are a
division of the police department.
Jeff Matiatos
So what are you going to do about it 11:26 ?
kp.
Hey 11:26, I think they got a night shift.
Hop on a 16 bus tonight !
kp.
Hey Nancy,about that snake ?
I got a real big one !
kp.
Real funny kp.
Jeff Matiatos
11:43, 11:26 here. What am I suppose to do about IT?
Maybe I could get a psychologist to join the list and offer anger management skills and other advice for emotional distress. Short of that I think I will sit back and watch the freak show.
Bob, we should take 11:56 to the Back Yard and knock the crap out of him.
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11:26 sounds like a female.
kp.
your the one talking about genitals.
Did I say genitals ?
Sorry you thought that way.
I was serious.
kp.
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Yes, normally I would like to help,
but do you even know this mjp ?
kp.
I dont have an e mail address.
kp.
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Nancy,
Just signing on for a few minutes
or so, this neighbor doesnt seem the type of person who appreciates
people coming on to his property so I think I will pass.
Noble of you to want to help the
poor rich guy though.
Jeff Matiatos.
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Please email Nancy privately with the address Jeff. Only under rare circumstances do we post addresses here. And NEVER EVER do we post an elected official, or city, state or county employee's addresses here.
Thanks!
Ever notice when Chuck makes an ignorant comment or post against individuals here that Amanda is right behind him to back up his poorly spelled and ignorant comment.
Keep talking about people here like that Chuck and your wishes to become important may come VERY SOON.
Now Now people.
Your all right, in your own way.
That's what makes A-Democracy such a lively place to comment our thought without being treated like
e-democracy does, kiss and lick each other and agree totally on any subject.
We here can talk about any subject on our mind and get someone to disagree totally.
Thanks to Bob and Chuck and to Nancy O. and Nancy L. and the others that speech out, the biggest thing mention by all the people accept Chuck, says that St.Paul City Government and their people working for them are ?
What's that word you all use >>Crooks<<.
The City Government has been dirty from the 1920's till now, just that these people running St.Paul are doing these criminal acts are doing it in the open now.
Look at this and tell me how dumb the people that run our country are.
Watch this and say ?
Jesse and Dean on film bribing Bill Dahn and Jim Kane.
http://www.anglefire.
com/mn3/billdahn/jessiemovie.html
Gee is all the government this stupid ?
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He already told you dork, that the guy doesnt want people in his yard !!
Harold s.
Hey nancy, how dare you compare the people of st. paul a reflection of the Government .
Its more like the St.Paul Government ( the bad apples ) are
a reflection of a piece of shit .
Harold s.
Harold s.
7:24 PM
About your wording about St.Paul's government.
It sounds right to me and to my friands.
So keep your comments on the
DFL "Union Mafia"
that runs St.Paul on the hot seat.
Bill Dahn
WWW.BILLDAHN.COM
Thats the spirit Bill !!!
Harold s.
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Where is it ?
If this person is from st.paul, I am sure he wouldnt let you on his property since you think the PEOPLE
there are lazy fools.
Your on the wrong blog lady .
Matter of fact,the people in st.paul sure as hell wouldnt let you govern them let alone listen to your HOT AIR !
I dont have to prove a godamn thing to you.
Go run for public office on Gilligans Island.
The GOOD people of st.paul dont need feminists asses like you.
Harold s.
HARRASSED BY CITY COUNCIL “WANNABE”
On the evening of Aug. 30th my 4 year old Granddaughter and I were walking hand and hand around the side of our home on the corner of George and Humboldt Streets. A large truck pulled up across the street and the man who later identified himself as Bill Dahn running for St. Paul City Council as an independent, started yelling at me.
“When are you people going to get this stone wall back up? I’m not going to let Dave Thune get away with letting you do this. It’s Yuppies like you, moving onto the West Side and trashing it, that makes our neighborhood look bad. You guys have money. You can’t tell me you can’t afford to get that wall up.”
This is only part of what he said. He went on and on, and was so loud and belligerent that our neighbors across the street approached his vehicle to let him know I wasn’t alone,… and also got the license plate number. …(thank goodness for good neighbors).
If Mr. Dahn had approached me in any kind of civil manner, I would have explained the following:
1. Because our home of 21 years is on the City, State, and Federal register, we have city rules to follow. Such as, the replacement of the same kind of stone that fell down. THIS STONE IS NO LONGER QUARRIED! If we were to repair the wall with, say, a Menards special that doesn’t match, the “St. Paul Heritage Preservation Commission” would stop us dead in our tracks…as they did awhile back(if anyone could help us find like stone [Plattsville] we would be most grateful).
2. Also, because of the many thieves around here, much of our stone has been stolen. We put up a “Please do not take stone“ sign,…and that was also stolen!
3. Now about being “yuppies who have just moved into the West Side,” my husband and I were born and raised here. We graduated from Humboldt as did our parents, and our daughters, (3 generations). If only we were young enough to be called “Yuppies”. We graduated in 1961 and 1963 respectively, and are looking forward to retirement in a year or two.
And just what has Mr. Dahn got against “YUPPIES” (young, upwardly mobile urban professionals) anyway? These are people who have stayed in school, studied hard to make something of themselves. The West Side sure could use a lot more people like that.
Did it ever occurred to Mr. Dahn that people have something because they have worked hard? They get up day after day and go to work for 45 years raise a family and hope that you have saved enough for retirement.
My husband, (of 34 years ) has done just that, many times working for 50 to 60 hours a week. We are not professionals of any kind. WE are just hard working and have done 95 percent of the work on this house ourselves. (which included seven summers of us roofing this property). But hey, Mr. Dahn tells us we have money! If he would only tell us where it is, we could hire everything done. To say we are trashing the West Side is unconscionable.
Furthermore, to say people like us buy historic homes and expect the tax payers to maintain or repair them is simply asinine! WE HAVE NEVER GOTTEN ONE CENT FROM ANYONE, AND HAVE NEVER ASKED!
5. Mr. Dahn’s parting threat was “remember my name, you’ll be hearing from me.” I AM NOT intimidated one bit by Mr. Dahn. But maligning the good man I’m married to, who has worked so hard all of these many years to save a historic landmark, THAT, I DO NOT TAKE LIGHTLY!
6. But the worst thing was when my 4 year old granddaughter looked up at me and said “Why does that man think your bad Grammie?” She was scarred by Bill Dahn’s nasty, confrontational behavior. VOTE FOR BILL DAHN? I don’t know why anyone would!!
Collette Peterson
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To Collette,
Thank you for coming here and setting the record straight. I wasn't sure what home Bill was talking about, so I went over and looked at your home this morning. Then it hit me when I seen the house.
I have adored your home for many years. I have not ever seen that house looking as good as it does now. You and your husband have brought this home a long way and done a good job restoring the home.
May happiness fill all your days!
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Collette
Don't pay any attention to Bill Dahn. People around here have been trying to get rid of him for yearsm but he's like a booger on the end of your finger.....no matter how many times you try to flip it away, it just stays there. Dahn runs you down because he is jealous. He's sat around his whole life sucking money out of the system and blaming everyone that will listen for his troubles that he caused. The city veen tried to help him, but they became afraid of him just as you did. He's crazy, but don't let that scare you away from here. Most of us are OK......we just get a little passionate about civil rights being violated once in a while.
You mean a booger on the Blogger.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you everyone for your comments and concern.
Nancy the stone is called "plattsville" and was quarried across the street from us in back of the library. The quarry was owned by Adam Rau who owned and built our home. It is gray lime stone and we need rather large blocks.
Yes we do have some left but mostly rubble. We also have our own cement mixer and an old Bobcat which is not currently working. (Steve has the carb apart now). So if we could find the stone and round up some help it wouldn't take long.
We have also been looking for homes that are being torn down that may have the same fondation stone or another wall.
Again Thank You and I'll keep you posted.
Collette
Collette, call 612-829-7244 for
a lead.
Tom seavers Oakdale.
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Ummm......perhaps Mr Dahn would like to get off his lazy butt and help out a little also since he is alaways talking about how he wants to help people. Don't hold your breath!
In prison right Nancy ??
Harold s.
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Who the hell is St.Cloud, an indian ?
Collette needs Grey Limestone, not
granite.
She is not redoing her countertops.
Harold s.
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Give her hell Harold...just go on ahead and let 'r rip!
We are not self governed people.
ie. we have a mayor,Police, judges, legislators, a president,Army commanders, and all people with powers like they have that govern us.
didnt you know you couldnt sue a Judge ?
You cut down the people in St.Paul,
why ?
You cant win in court either.
You need the Positive support of the people around you.
Your not going to wage war with
St.Paul politics and corruption if you dont get the people behind you in the right way.
You cut them down then cross over when you need some attention.
Whats your real agenda ?
Harold s.
Harold S.,
You're an idiot, not as big of one as Bill Dahn but definitely in the same class.
You can sue a judge. Although it is almost impossible to recover monetary damages from a judge (unless you can prove he or she acted ultra-vires beyond his or her legal jurisdiction) it is in fact possible to obtain relief in equity against a judge through civil rights actions.
Equitable relief includes:
a. declaratory relief - (rulings by another judge in the form of opinions establishing the constitutionality or lack of constitutionality of another judges actions.)
b. injunctive relief (which is a command or order to do something or refrain from doing so)
As a general rule, judges cannot be held liable for money damages for acts done in the exercise of his judicial function, within the limits of his jurisdiction, no matter how erroneous, illegal or malicious his acts may be. (48A Corpus Juris Secundum 86) A minority of decisions have held that if an inferior judge acts maliciously or corruptly he may incur liability. Kalb v. Luce, 291 N.W. 841, 234, WISC 509.
Federal Civil Rights statutes, and possibly Bivens actions, appear to offer the best path for redressing constitutional grievances with state and federal judges, respectively, in Federal Court. As a practical matter, such cases will usually be brought by pro se litigants. Neither the politics nor economics of law practice permits lawyers to pursue such cases nor makes them affordable except for a few.
Lawyers who do successfully sue state judges in federal court in Title 42 U.S. Code 1983 cases can recover attorney's fees from judicial defendants provided they can show time sheets kept contemporaneously with their work.
The most important step you have to take is making sure your complaint will be conforming to the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
Of course if your complaint is bullshit, you may be under the impression that everyone is corrupt and/or its impossible to get justice.
Eric M.
Nancy,
You're heading in the right direction with the assessment of people here. We've got the government we deserve. I said that before right before being blasted from the group.
People bitch about the government, then they do nothing to participate in change except complain. They bitch about the people who do show up, and then bitch about their agenda, and then bitch about the results. They don't complain in public, they come to a safe environment with others of like mind and complain like a bunch of hens at 7am.
I think you're still a little 'out there' but, your hearts in the right place on this and I'll be emailing you to help this family with their wall.
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Yep, St Cloud is Granite City and should be able to yield some decent limestone.
Eric M.
We complain with our own kind because that is all we can do Eric and hope someone will hear of it and be in a position to help.....kinda just like lots of people used to complain about a lot of the southern Sheriff's actions and either no one cared or no one believed them or they thought people had it coming.
They also like to brand people with "indentifiers" like the word "slumlord" so it is easier for people to believe the governments lies and misdeeds. Or in the case of Kathy Lantry, she just justifies everything with the statement "I get complaints in my office." Now how would one know if those complaints are real complaints or just something for shitbird politician to hide behind so they can advance their own agenda? I gues we don't have to worry about though because a politiican would never do something like that would they?
Why you think i am an idiot is beyond me Eric.
You make a point of law and all of the sudden, your a hero ?
Good for you, take your legal knowledge and get to work !
Start suing these corrupt St.Paul
officials.
Still, your not defending the St.Paul citizens dorky Nancy calls
lazy fools.
If Nancy makes any sence at all, her statement to that effect begs us to wonder why we should even listen to her.
Seems she is at least doing more than the rest of us, but she shoots herself in the foot when she
knocks on the very people she is trying to convince.
Give her credit for her efforts, but I question just who she's doing it all for.
As for you Eric, just what the hell
have you done ?
Harold s.
I'm starting to like you Harold. We need more poeple like you around here!
Got any friends?
Quite a alot, I dont come from St.Paul, but by the looks of it,
the exodus has started.
Look at all your vacant homes !
This is supposed to be the Capital
City ?
Your officials are driving them out.
You have got corruption on every
corner.
That guy with the Sheriffs clerk
problem, Jeff, he ought to sue the
hell out of the County for that.
That ragged ass clerk should be fired on the spot.
Who is Eric ? Does he rate good on this blog ?
At least he knows somthing about the law.
Harold s.
Harold,
I am no one.
I am one of the three dissenters on this blog. So, I rate like shit with most on here. Why?
1.I don't believe there is a conspiracy. Corrupt individuals maybe, but not a conspiracy let alone everyone who works for the city, county and now federal government.
2. I'm involved with my district council on the East Side. So, any generalized statement on them, I challenge.
3. I am a DFLer.
4. I know that some of those behind the lawsuit are the kind of landlords that have taken advantage of poor people for years and when rules are enforced on them, they cried foul. They were able to get a couple of legit property owners wrapped in with them but, for the most part, they're poverty pimps.
5. I don't this SPIF is the devil.
6. I like Chuck Repke.
7. I don't like President Bush.
8. And, finally, I know my stuff.
Eric M.
Tom,
tryed calling you and get that "call can't be completed as dailed" message. Must be a misprint.
Would love to talk to you.
Collette
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nancy L,
I will be home anytime after 1 p.m. on Wed. Hope that works with your schedule.
I would love to meet you.
Collette
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In response to Bill Dahn's comment about the house on George and Humboldt; The owners are friends of ours, lifelong Westsiders, and have never gotten a penny from the city.
They pay for repairs as they go. They are part of the backbone of this neighborhood. They are not rich, nor, your word, yuppies. For one thing, they're too old. You should be ashamed of yourself for taking after them. You will not meet kinder or more generous neighbors.
Bill Dahn, I think you owe this woman an apology.
Alex Wendt
East Side Best Side!
This is the kind of leadership we will have under Mr Bill Dahn. He goes off half baked shooting from the hip, telling everyone off and he doesn't know what he's talking about half the time. I hate to think what life would be like with him on the city council. Every time he got a complaint he'd come out of the city hall like a "Barking Wolf Hound" biting everyone within reach. As much as I dislike Thune, I jsut gotta say....."vote for a man, Dahn is a boy!" He has a lot of growing up to do before he represents me.
Chuck ????
You said to Bill that there is a nice older couple at the house on George St.
How old is that couple?
Are they friends of your or Thunes?
I am 55 and still alive.
6:03 - the woman 1/2 of the couple has been posting here "collette peterson." They would be five/ten year older than you 6:03. I don't think that she and Thune met, but I took a few phone calls from her when I was Thune's staff person and they were trying to get permition to do a living manger (live donkey, goats, etc). So, I tried to cut through red tape for her at City Hall. It is so long ago I don't remember if I was successful or not... but we may find out.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
6:11 (Anonymous-of course)
I belong where I am.
Now if you got something of substance to add, bring it on.
Drive by comments are weak.
Eric M
Hey, if we are to believe in any form of discriminatory enforcement,
doesnt that mean that two
parties are involved in the discrimination ?
namely the enforcement officer and the landowner for whom is
recieving the discriminating preference ?
If thats the case and a neighbor
suspects his neighbor is getting special treatment, what are the alternatives ?
Call the guy in and at least verify if code enforcement would at least document your complaint to see if they are at least willing to make a record of the call.
Call code enforcement a week later or so and see if they took action.
If not, your guess was right, they were discriminating.
Any feedback here ?
JTR.
Don't bother calling them because they'll lie to you or tell you anything they have to if they haven't done their job. Instead you can go online to the cities website and look at the enforcement action taken on any property in the city. You'll also see some pretty juicy comments from time to time also.
Thank you 3:26 p.m.
JTR.
To JTR
There are actually 3 and sometimes more people involved in the discrimination. Many many times, it is diferent City Council member who are initiating the complaints. he city also has a policy of having other departments make "referrals" on code violations. This way it looks like it a citizen complaining when it is really is not a citizen, but just the Government itself amking work for themselves and saying the neighborhood people are the opnes complaining. Nice little scam huh?
Do you actually believe what you are saying? First, you are saying that because no one has turned someone in for a code violation that it must be true that the code department is discriminating. So, to prove your point you intend to go around turning people in for what you don't think the City should be giving them orders for.
How does that make sense?
And then the next guy says that if the City Council member turns somebody in for a code violation that it can't be that there was something wrong, it must be a part of this world wide government conspiracy to pick on landlords.
I will tell you about every complaint made out of Thune's office from January 1, 1990 to December 31, 1997, when I worked for him, every complaint made from our office to code enforcement came from residents calling the complaints into the office and we passed them along. I can't think of one time in that eight year period where Thune went out looking for a problem properties, he had a hell of a lot of other things to do. So, if any complaints came out of that office it was residents called it in they talked to me or Dave and I called it in.
For Pete's sake I had to go to Bill Dahn's house to see what was his problem was with RAP. It was my job to respond to the concerns of the residents of the district. Even if they were freaken nuts. So, if you got someone complaining about a property, I'd drive out there, take a look, talk to the neighbor that was upset and call in the complaint to try and get the City to respond to the complaint.
There is no out to get anyone. There are neighbors who have issues with problem properties.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
So now Chuck you are admitting to being a snitch also?
To Bob and A-democracy
Who cares, its just one more house on the vacant list.
Till it is their home they don't care.
Thanks chuck, you just proved Jeffs
point.
Jeff has taken some heat for admitting he would call in what he thought was discriminating enforcement, right or wrong as that might seem, you agree chuck that residents call in other residents and that city government has nothing to do with why homeowners have code enforcement
on their asses.
Harold s.
Nice one
Shooting from the hip, that's not it.
For all the people that try to comply with the code inspectors and the police that accompany them on the job.
These police could be doing the job that they were hired to do,
catch the real law breakers.
Instead of paying police over time so these code enforcement people have a chaperone.
Then the city would not have to hire more cops and raise the taxes to landlords and home owners.
They can make sure public bathrooms are safe from these weird people like the Senator's that plead guilty of hanky panky and now he changed his mind.
Now he says he's "NOT" guilty.
Then if that was anybody else it would be cut and dry, and the person goes to jail.
Back to the house on George St.
The wall was like it is now for over two years, anyone else would have had fines and condemn threats slapped on them.
That house on George St., they charges admission to tour their home.
So use some of that money to fix you own home.
Fair is Fair, or quit cutting the throats of the regular person
Bill Dahn
AAAAAAArrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggg!!!!
This is where the insanity of these arguments get to me.
The bulk of code enforcement is complaint driven. Someone calls in the complaint and the inspector goes and sees it and writes the person up. The reason why it is that way is because you can't afford to have the 5,000/6,000 code enforcement officers that you would need to check every house in a City of 300,000 every day. Get it?
To suggest that because it is complaint driven it is discriminitory is the insanity of the law suits. Time and time again folks like Jeff prove that the inspectors will write up anybody if they are called in.
My example of course is that pissed off property rights advocates on forums like this have called in the inspectors on both me and Thune and the City wrote us up. It would have been discriminatory if they didn't write us up when their was a complaint. To say that because they had never writen us up before somebody complained about it is a test for insanity.
Their job is to respond to complaints about noncompliance with the code. Of course that will mean that there are houses with code issues that never get called in. So what?
It just shows what a bunch of whiney cry babies the people in the law suit are. "If you are going to write me up then you better write everybody up or I'm going to hold my breath till I turn blue."
I am waiting on the judge to change their diapers.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
But we are not talking about hte bulk of code enforcement Chuck. We are talking about corrrupt code enforcement and a city who advanced an agenda to force property owners out of business because of the actions of their tenants, and thus in the long run make those tenants move out of the city due to higher rents, brought on by the code compliances. We are talking about courts that were rigged by the city in their favor before they started railroading property owners through the very same court. We are talking about code inspectors that lie about repairs. We are talking about a department that delibertatly and methodically targeted certain landlords.
Why do ytou bring up the legitimate part of code enforcement in defense of these things?
9:58 we are talking about the same things. The conspiracy you talk about is in your head and in the heads of the people involved in the law suits.
All of the code enforcement has been done the same way. The stories that we see on this list always only have the view of the person who is convinced that it couldn't be the problem with their property that got them in trouble it must be something else.
Nancy O isn't a landlord, yet her misfortune gets lumped into the conspiracy. And, from the City's view, what did we have there? We had a house that after five years of delay after delay and a change of ownership and delay and delay, they had it and demo'ed the building. Right or wrong on the issue of demo, it still wasn't up to code in FIVE years and it didn't appear that it was ever going to get done. You can buy Nancy's story about the cops and Magner and what ever if you want, but what the City Council saw was two guys owned the building, it had five years worth of orders and they were no more ready to do anything then than they were a year before.
As to the landlords that get writen up, why do some get writen and not others? You can dream up all sort of conspiracies if you want, but the landlords that work well with their neighbors don't get the same level of shit as the ass hole that flips them off or ignores them.
I have landlords who regularly go to the neighborhood block club meetings where their rentals are located, and they don't get shit from their neighbors.
"Oh its so unfair, the City picks on me just because I am a prick and treat the neighborhood like shit... I'm going to file a law suit..."
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
This has gone way to far I'm really tired of the out and out lies Bill Dahn is telling.
1. Our wall has NOT been down for over 2 years. I REPEAT IT HAS NOT BEEN DOWN FOR OVER 2 YEARS!!!!!!
It has how ever been down for a year and a half. THIS IS STILL FAR TO LONG. WE BOTH AGREE AND IT BOTHERS STEVE AND I FAR MORE THAN IT DOES ANYONE ELSE. WE HAVE WORKED FAR TO HARD FOR THE LAST 21 YEARS TO MAKE OUR HOME LOOK NICE TO HAVE THIS HAPPEN NOW JUST BEFORE RETIREMENT.
2. WE MAY JUST BE ONE OF THOSE COUPLES WHO ARE TAXED OUT OF THEIR HOME THAT BILL DAHN CLAIMS HE WANTS TO HELP. We are the regular people.
3. Yes we did have a Victorian home tour 2 summers ago that we charged for. If you read the sign it was fund raiser to help 2 young people go to a talent contest in New York. (there was an article about it in the VOICE that summer. (look it up Dahn) We did not get a cent of that money!!!!! Not that's it's any of your business. Are you really so stupid that you think we could earn the $40,000 plus it would take to have our wall done with a
a house tour?
3. I have never met or talked to Dave Thune. I did think Chuck Repke's name was familar but I did't know from where until he said I talked to him about a permitt for live animals for the "LIVING NATIVITY" and that was way back in 1990.
And just to set the record straight on that. The Living Nativity" raised money for the homeless. It was sponsored by our church and because of the financial support of our members and donations from community businesses we were able to give 100% of the donations to the homeless. (Dorthy Day, neighborhood house, shelters, etc). We held the Nativity for 8 years, In that time we raised over $20,000 and I can't remember how many tons of food for the food shelves.
HEY DAHN WERN'T YOU ONCE HOMELESS?Again we did not get one cent. And again this is well documented in the VOICE, PIONEER PRESS,STAR TRIBUNE newspapers, go look it up.
4. Almost for got we had 2 other "HAUNTED HOUSE" fund raisers over the years. One was for a family we knew that had no health insurance and the Mom had cancer and one was for music scholarships for Walker West Music Academy. None of which we recieved any money FOR.
IS THAT ENOUGH ABOUT OUR PRIVATE BUSINESS FOR YOU DAHN?
JUST FOR THE RECORD THERE WERE MANY WITTNESSES THE NIGHT YOU HARRASSED US AND I DID CALL THE POLICE AND MAKE A REPORT.
I'm done posting here now I'm not even going to look at this site again.
See, I said it was a long time ago. All I remembered was that it was this nice couple that were doing a "living nativity" for their church and the City was being dificult about getting permits. City had issues about "barn animals" as I recall and were having a hard time with the concept that they weren't going to be there forever nor were they opening a zoo. The City can be a bit rigid...
1990 that was our rookie year... Appears I must not have been totally useless or at least didn't make it worse...
Collette, don't worry about Bill nobody listens to him anyway.
From everything I remember your neighbors all think that you are great people. If there is anything I can ever do to help let me know.
Chuck Repke
I don't think Collette likes us! She probably just came here cause she thought we were Bill Dahns buddies. Bye honey.
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Collette,
To answer your question asking if Bill Dahn really that stupid- hell yes and then some.
Logic and truth are not welcome here (neither is actually getting motivated to do something for yourself) if they don't fit in with the pre-set agenda of the DFL, government, and nonprofits all being corrupt, then that welcome mat disappears faster than you can say "Chuck Repke is right".
I stay for the action.
Eric M.
Nancy, the boy scouts do more for
people everyday, only they dont go around bashing St.Paul citizens for
being lazy.
You want a medal or a chest to pin it on !
Harold s.
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No, I am not insulting you if what I say is true.
You have a rude way of wanting people to get motivated and involved.
You get what you deserve.
Harold s.
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Hi Colette,
I am saddened to hear of your run in with Bill Dahn. Bill you should be ashamed of yourself. You aren't even man enough to apologise. Colette, Bill is mildly retarded.
Bill, there was a time the state would of provided a home for you to protect the public from you and you from yourself.
Hi Colette,
You said you wouldn't post here again. I hope you change your mind. This isn't Bill Dahns blog. It is the citizens of Saint Paul's blog. I want you to think of the good that has come of your posting here.
NOW, we know the truth about your retaining wall. We know you live in one of the greatest homes on the west side, and you and your hubby worked very hard to renovate the home. I think you are making friends here.
YOU, have volunteers for your wall.
AND, you are in good company when it comes to your feelings about Bill Dahn here. Many people here would like to shove one of those foam insulation hoses in Bills mouth.
Colette, do you want to punish Bill? We can put him in A DEMOCRACY'S BACK YARD.
Spank him, stretch him on the rack. Shock therapy. You name his punishment! :-)
That doesnt change my statement at
7:15.
Harold s.
Hey Harold.....how about if we bash St Paul citizens for backing and supporting a corrupt bunch of city leaders. You appear to me to be one these no good assholes who sit back and don't give a damn what happens to anyone as long as it isn't happening top you.
Should we turn in our neighbors into code enforcement?
My simple answer is no, we should help them instead. Are we so removed in society today that we can’t help someone without calling the city?
I have seen the code enforcement system abused for political gain. Because a person supported a particular political candidate, they were turned into the city.
Many times this code compliance hits the poor in a much harder way than the rich. The poor can not afford to spend $10,000.00 to paint their house, but they need help. In France before the revolution they used to lock up people who owed money. They had to stay in prison until they repaid the debt. This is the same situation the city is doing to the poor with code compliance now.
You got scum like Steve Manger who take advantage of the poor for their own personal gain and this is wrong!
I was once the victim of targeted code enforcement because I took over a problem property. I had the good luck to have code enforcement people who saw that was happening, but not before several letters of correction. I was able to work with code enforcement to work things out. It has been many years since I was targeted and I will never forget the pain my family went through because I purchased the property before the complainers had a chance to. Because of that, they made my life hell. These people misused code enforcement to get back at someone and this is not the design of code enforcement. It is like sending the IRS after someone like Bill Clinton did when he was President.
I have seen city council members use code enforcement to go after individuals who had a different political view than they have and this is wrong.
Hey, Bob go fishing and relax.
Leave Bill Clinton out of this. This Bush Administration has sicked the IRS on more people and left-leaning organizations/businesses than all other since the establishment of the IRS. Its not making headlines because the the war and the 20 other constant scandals breaking out from this administration. I won't go into the Constitutional issues they have.
What city council members and on who?
Can you answer that or will "they" get you?
Eric M.
Dear Eric,
Kathy Lantry and Lee Helgen to start off the list.
Eric, Bill Clinton played this same type of BS like code enforcement is being used for now.
Eric, I hope you wake up and see that both political parties are using this tool. Bill Clinton's use of the IRS was documented in the Wall Street Journal and many other nationally respected news outlets, not just FOX news.
Eric, Bill Clinton has many defenders but there is no defense for his actions when he was President. How soon we forget.
Typical Eric! He deosn't care about corruption or politicizing code enforcement to use to advance agendas, he just wants to set the record straight about an old president so Bush doesn't look better. Way to go Eric!. Your a model citizen, and a disgusting one at that.
Who the hell are you 8:43 !
Your probably Nancy disguised as 8:43.
Who ever you are though,how do you know which citizens to bash for supporting St.Paul Government ?
Your grabbing at straws because you have no vote in this town Nancy.
Go back to your neck of the WOODS,
go into the woods with some antlers on your head around deer hunting season.
Harold s.
I am NOT Nancy Harold, and I know a lot more than a lot of poeple wished I did. I don't have to know which St Paulites to bash....most of them are willing to sit around and let someone else get screwed and never say a word as long as it benifets them or doesn't have an effect on them. You sound like your one of them Harold. Ya got a big mouth and nothing to put in back of it.
Are citizens in St.Paul really sitting around waiting to screw somebody else ?
If they are sitting around, its probably because they just got home from work and are trying to relax.
You and Nancy are BOZOs just beating a drum to god knows what
tune.
You know that saying " Misery loves company " .
You and Nancy are miserable and if St.Paul citizens are not conforming to your agenda,
you might as well bash em for it right ?
You are both miserable Fucks !!
Harold s.
Harold S. needs to be taken to the backyard Bob.
Why dont you go tell your mama to
1:36.
boo-hoo !!!!
Harold s.
Tell my mama to what Harols S.
I am waiting, Harold.
To Harold
I expect St Paul citizens through their elected representitives to be in complaiance with the laws that the rest of have to be Harold, not any kind of agenda you think that I may be trying to advance. You thihk this type of behavior is justified, that's fine, that is your right, but I am going to love seeing your property tax bill get doubled to pay for all the judgements when this finally goes to trial.
2:58 PM
That is right. You are 100% correct.
Harold S. what do you want me to tell my mama?
I am still waiting.
All talk and no action is what you are.
What kind of action would you demand I take ?
Harold s.
Harold,
You said, "Why dont you go tell your mama to 1:36. boo-hoo !!!!"
Tell my mama what?
I thought so Harold. No response.
This Harold guy is "all bark and no bite." Typical St Pauler......he defends everything and makes his points with "one liners" and "sound bytes" and whatever anyone has told him. He don't have the brains to come up with anything himslef and if he did, he don't have the guts to say it and stand by it.
Answer my question at 3:25 5:58.
Harold s.
This Harold is a loser. I think it's really Bill Dahn undercover!
Harold,
The same question was asked of you at 1:53PM, 3:15 PM and again at 4:08 PM.
"Tell my mama what?"
Still no response I see.
Bob can we take Harold to the backyard? He is getting like someone else I know on this blog?
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Nancy, would you like to go out
on a date ?
seriously
Nancy and Anonymous,
If they married and had kids they would be...
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I was talking about nancy O, but
thank you for the kind gesture.
Is she married ?
Nancy,
Anonancy, I like that.
Good night.
Anonymouse
To Collette Peterson
I do apologies to you and your husband.
The two of you look a lot younger then you are.
That must be from caring, and working hard on trying to keep your home in good shape, and
You said the stone came from the quarry that was across the street behind the library.
I remember it was there before Wilder's.
The home you own is very nice and you and Mr. Peterson work hard each Christmas to make the West Side a nice place for parents to drive by and show their children your home
Nothing against you and your lovely home.
The rock looked bad and I saw kids throwing chunks of it at each other a few times.
But for the stone itself, I'm sorry about people taking it.
I know the Peterson's took in a family when their home burnt, and that they work closely with there church to help others.
I remember the two sisters that owned the home before you, they worked hard together also as you and your husband do.
I would be glad to mix the cement by hand for you, or carry the rocks to the volunteers laying it.
You said that you can only use the same type stone, maybe you will get enough stone now that others are looking.
I do want to help you repair it, and I know you would like to get it done before Christmas.
Please don't stay mad, and let me help with some part it.
Thank You
Mr.and Mrs Peterson.
Bill Dahn
Hay Bill you were right about that house on George St.
Any other home would have gotten a repair or condemn sign put on it.
That wall was that way for a while now.
My house was tagged for a crack in the retaining wall and had to replace the whole wall.
My house was paid off and had to get a 30 g loan to fix it.
So who is the code inspector for that area?
Fairness or lawlessness it is uncalled for.
Bill >> go tell Jesse, he might be friends with those people?
He will get the wall fixed, like Dave Thune might be on top of this already.
Right Dave.
The unknown comic!
Bill,
Thank you for your post. I’m sure it was heart felt and I surly do accept your apology.
I too was harsh and for that I want to tell you I’m sorry.
It sounds as if all 3 of us have good memories of growing up on the West Side. So lets all work to make it a better neighborhood (like it was in the good old days), each in our own way.
I am also touched by you and others on this blog who have volunteered to help put the wall back up. It just goes to show us that ,this is still a good world with good people in it.
When all is said and done all we really need is just the stone. That’s the key to everything.
Thank You all again!
I wish you well Bill, Collette Peterson
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