Incumbants win primarys/ one of the smallest turnouts in history
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St. Paul incumbent council members win; primary has small turnout
BY TIM NELSON
Pioneer Press
Article Last Updated: 09/11/2007 10:22:10 PM CDT
St. Paul's incumbent city council members easily topped their challengers in today's primary elections in one of the smallest elections in the last 30 years. Turnout fell below 5 percent.
Just 5,584 votes were cast, more than a third of them in Ward 2, in the city's first elections since the dominant Democrat-Farmer-Labor Party regained the mayor's office in 2005.
The turnout was small despite a record 15 percent tax the council members have been discussing since August and are likely to set as a worst-case scenario at their regularly scheduled meeting Wednesday.
"The turnout was extraordinarily low," said elections manager Joe Mansky. "Voters are interested in contests, and maybe their perception was there just weren't any real races."
Only two wards had elections that amounted to noteworthy challenges.
In Ward 2, challengers Bill Hosko, a downtown artist and gallery owner, topped entrepreneur Fran Zamb by just 201 votes, and along with two other perennial candidates kept DFL-endorsed Dave Thune from getting an outright majority - the only incumbent on the ballot not to do so.
"We're very happy," Thune noted. "I came in second in my last primary."
Hosko actually won three precincts, including two downtown and Railroad Island. He said he'd been campaigning only since Aug. 3, though he spent as much as nine hours a day at it.
"Downtown is a declining center for business and retail," Hosko said. "It isn't hopeless, but current leadership hasn't
changed the course of downtown. It's time for something new."
In Ward 5, incumbent Lee Helgen won with 57 percent of the vote, easily besting first-time challenger David Haas. It was something of a reversal: incumbent Jim Reiter actually lost the Ward 5 primary by small margins in the last two elections, but died during the 2003 race.
Haas had had looked more competitive in the financing race and hoped primary history would repeat itself, as in the 1999 election. But he lost his own precinct Tuesday, often a telling political omen. "I'm humbled by the support we've gotten tonight, but there's a lot of work ahead of us," he acknowledged.
In Ward 4, DFL endorsee Russ Stark had the strongest showing of the night, with besting his two challengers by a nearly 4-to-1 margin in the race to replace outgoing council member Jay Benanav.
In Ward 7, UnitedHealthcare oncology program manager Janine Kelley easily topped entrepreneur Jim Casci to face the sitting council president in November. "I'm ready to hit the streets and get out and meet people," said Kelley, although she has a sizable gap to make up. Incumbent Kathy Lantry had a 3-to-1 lead over her challengers.
"We got our people out and we worked hard, but these things still make me nervous," Lantry said.
Here are the general election matchups for Nov. 6:
? Ward 1: Incumbent Debbie Montgomery vs. DFL-endorsed challenger Melvin Carter
? Ward 2: Incumbent and DFL endorsee Dave Thune vs. Bill Hosko
? Ward 3: Incumbent and DFL endorsee Pat Harris vs. Gerald Mischke, who is no longer campaigning.
? Ward 4: DFL endorsee Russ Stark vs. Terrance Bushard
? Ward 5: Incumbent Lee Helgen vs. challenger David Haas
? Ward 6: Incumbent Dan Bostrom vs. challenger Pakou Hang
? Ward 7: Incumbent and DFL endorsee Kathy Lantry vs. challenger Janine Kelley
Brady Silver contributed to this report. Tim Nelson can be reached at tnelson@pioneerpress.com or 651-292-1159.
Hi All,
A Little over 5000 people out of a city of over 276,000 voted. Very sorry state of disinterested hopelessness on behalf of citizens.
Dave had a big turn out. Must of been my half hearted endorsement huh Chuck? :)
I will make some prediction now.
HAAS will take ward 5.
Dave will win in ward 2.
To early for me to predict who will win in other wards. :)
It was probably 5,000 freeloaders who showed up wanting their continued hand outs.
Well Bob, I told you dispite the Tavern Association backing Zam was going to come in third. I said:
Thune 60
Hosko 20
Zamb 15
Anderson 4
Dahn 1
The correct answer was:
Thune 50
Hosko 28
Zamb 17
Anderson 3
Dahn 2
Not a bad call I'd say. Where I missed was the turn out was so low that Hosko's vote Downtown (where people get to vote in the building they live in) made his number higher.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Well Chuck whatever it is in ward 2 you and others do to get people to turn out, you should be sharing it with the rest of the city.
Chuck what is your opinion on the small turn out. Well, with the exception of ward 2 of coarse.
Even the turn out in Ward 2 was down this year. Four years ago, there was close to 4,000 votes in the primary this year there was just under 2,000 voting in Ward 2.
It was the only Ward where there were 3 candidates that were actively campaigning (raising and spending money). Hosko has been door knocking 9 hours a day for the last month, Thune dropped lit to the entire Ward and both Thune and Zamb did targetted mailings.
Thune also has been a guy over his time in the council who has taken strong stands on the most controversial issues in the City, (chief author Gay Rights, Living Wages, Xcel Energy Center, 1/2 cent sales tax, Wild, smoking ban) so there are a lot of people who would walk over hot coals to vote against him...
...which makes us work that much harder...
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
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Thune's margin was suprisingly small, and his overall percentage shows he has some work to do. The big suprise is the difference in the Helgen/Haas race. Haas has a long row to hoe if he wants to knock off Helgen.
How 'bout the Maplewood results. The incumbent Rebecca Cave came in third. Her totals suggest that she will be out of a job come January. Rossbach and Nephew took 2/3 of the total vote (albeit a small percentage of voters). But the margin certainly indicates that Cave will go back to obscurity. As our friend in Ward 2 says it's "The Dahn of a new era".
Dahn is once again a loser. So much for him taking out Thune. Dave Thune lapped all of them.
Five candidates and half the people who turned out voted for Thune. That's incredible.
I'm waiting to hear from all of the folks who predicted Dahn and Anderson would knock off Thune. Hello? He got more than ten times their combined vote.
Shows how out of touch these A Democracy cheerleaders are.
Good job Chuck, probably didn't even break a sweat.
Nancy, you know that the Council is limitted in appeals as to what they can do outside of chambers, what information they can gather who they can talk to.
The plaintiffs in the law suits best arguements against the City are any situations where the elected official who were hearing appeals alledgedly gathered information outside of chambers.
It makes perfect sense that you would agrue that they are wrong for not doing for you, what they are being sued for alledgedly doing in other cases.
Again for the sixth time on this list... bring me one building in Ward 2 where Thune didn't give an extention of a demo order when an owner requested it and the building was not involved in a meth lab case. (Thune does buy the notion that those buildings can blow up, because they do...)
Otherwise...chill...
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Hey Gang: Sharon and BillyD Stragety worked just fine for $50 we're having a ball, Major Issue, we've(won )the Grand Jury Indictment, city employee Aaron Foster Murder, Thune,enbanc with city employees is complicit,now lets get Grand Jurys against Magner,et al www.lesliedavis.org
NancyL Hang tough HF1261(correct)
Exposing city corruption Whistleblowers are campaigning for the next election: LETS BRING OUT TROOPS HOME.
Chuck exactly what has Thune Won?
http://sharons-votingrights.blogspot.com
With a turnout such as the one St.Paul had yesterday leads me to believe that the people of St.Paul feel that the City Council really is NOT an effective part of the city so they don't care who represents their area, if the citizens felt that the city council was productive in the interest of St.Paul more then 5000 citizens would have been out to cast their vote.
8:45- I'm waiting to hear from all of the folks who predicted Dahn and Anderson would knock off Thune. Hello? He got more than ten times their combined vote.
Shows how out of touch these A Democracy cheerleaders are.
ME- what planet did you drop in from? Nobody supported Bill And Sharon here. They have joked about it over the last year. I seen a statement from Bob a couple of days ago in what appeared to be a positive support of Dave.
You are just another person who fears the power of free speech and you want to discredit the CITIZENS FORUM. Shame on you!
signed ME
OK Repke........it doesn't look like you can mobilize as many voter as you think big boy. Only 5,000 votes out of the whole town? Ya know what that means rEPKE? wELL....LET ME EXPLAIN it to you mu
Thanks to all that know about my battle with this St.Paul Government.
I spent $50.00 and got my voice heard by many more people.
Chuck and his buddy Thune are covering up for RAP's misuse of federal funds.
This means they are stealing from every person in the United States, so if you all like a theif in city hall, this shows how dumb some of the people are in St.Paul and else where. Thanks Chunky Chuck for the 1%, it shows you and others that Bill Dahn can do better then expected with 2%.
To all the big mouths that hang out at the airport bathrooms or is that city hall bathrooms?
you know if I had raised money for my champagne I would have gotten more votes.
Just going up against the DFL and their Union is a big accomplishment for any candidate who ran for the council seats.
That $50.00 has gotten my web site seen by many and I have had many people contact me about the insulation installed by RAP.
Thanks Again, everyone in the area who care about others.
Bill Dahn
www.billdahn.com
Bill Dahn said...
"you know if I had raised money for my champagne I would have gotten more votes."
The interesting thing is in the case of Fran Zamb who came in third and got her money from a few of the head in their ass "tavern league" bar owners, it would have been cheaper to have bought a bottle of "champagne" for everyone that voted for her than what she spent on the campaign.
She spent well over $5,000 and got 315 votes, so you do the math. At $16 a bottle you could have gotten some pretty good Californian champagne and forgoten about all that annoying campaign stuff.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Bill Dahn, your 15 minutes are up. But don't worry, I am sure you will secure 15 more....
Until then, go away
Hi Chuck
Money only talked a little in Fran Zamb "campaign".
When Thune has all the backing of the DFL, that shows that money talks.
You know all their is to know about the clean and the dirty dealings that goes on behind "closed doors" at city hall.
The greed that has overcome these "wan-ta- be's" that comes out of our city hall has all your chins up in the air so fare that you all are looking like Norm Coleman and his NEW TEETH.
All I said in 1997 was, that the mayor didn't get that part in his teeth from "sucking bananas"!
Then he got his teeth fix.
Then the question was "What Was He Sucking" or "Who"?
Chuck knows more about Bill Dahn and his home then most people in St.Paul.
Now let all work hard to get Dave Re-Elected, he and his buddy the mayor wants to raise property tax on your homes.
But Thunes would like to use the your tax dollars to fix up historical homes, dose that mean the Historical Mansion too??
They bought the home and property, let them pay to restore them, because when they sell their homes the money goes to them and not back to the city.
Gee -- what's wrong with that?
We all have to fix our own homes by taking out a loan to stop them from condemning it, and repaying it or "lose" our home to foreclosure.
It look like the rich gets the non repayable loans. Why is this?
Bill Dahn
www.billdahn.com
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Bill has a very good point here.
Dave Thune and others like Chuck do get inside information. Look at how Chuck has taken money from the public coffers for his "projects."
9:50 Just so as you know, I have no company, nor have I personally gotten money from the City. I work for non-profit agencies whose board members come from the general public.
The beauty of lack of knowledge is that one can make any accusation one wants against anyone for anything and it all sounds true.
NENDC is the communtity development company that I work for. I take my direction from them as to what they would like to see happen on White Bear Avenue or in those far East Side neighborhoods. I don't dream this stuff up it comes from the people who live there.
I go to the City and get funds to be used as home improvement loans, small business loans, or development projects in the area. The funds that I get all go through a very public process. Some of them are in the pool of allocations being discussed in the current budget debate at City Hall.
There aren't any secret decoder rings that get you money to do projects. It is all a very public process.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Hey Guys: quit attacking Chuck Repke, I IM him in the morning with a positive response, We are all working toward the common Good
Lets Work together: Repke informs me he trying to set up a Grocery Store on the East Side for Seniors
Saw Bill Hosko: What an Artist, Sharon Anderson with Humble Humility states Its more fun getting there than being there: Currently the High Tech that Cops have has blocked my Phone? http://sharon4council.blogspot.com
PS Fran took her site down, http://sharon4council.blogspot.com
voted for Thune because here endorsed him. I don't have time to follow all the news, but I read here regualarly and I like what this blog stands for, so I voted fro the reccomendation of the blog.
Bob, you'd love it, Hosko was campaigning on Summit Hill telling folks that the number one thing we need to do in Saint Paul is issue more tags for people who don't mow there lawn.
You got to love it.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
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