Update/ Court Processor Serves Code Enforcement Officer Magner In Nancy Lazaryan Suit Against Ramsey County
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Hi All,
Here's the scope on Pinnochio...oh,,, I'm sorry I mean Magner getting served. I keep confusing those 2 names. Must be I read something someplace before relating the names.
Anyway-
At approximately 9:20 AM today, September 7, 2007, Nancy Lazaryan was "buzzed into" the St. Paul agency in charge of inspections on White Bear Ave. She stated that she needed to see a file.
As she entered, a process server, with legal documents to be served upon Steve Magner, slipped in behind her.
Lazaryan went to the reception desk and asked for a particular file...and the process server went to Steve Magner's office. The process server was stopped by an adminstrative staff person, and asked what he was doing. The process server said he had papers to be served upon Steve Magner.
The staff person then went into Magner's office and there was conversation that could not be deciphered. The staff person came out of Magner's office and said, "I'll take the papers." The process server said, "no" and went into Magner's office.
Magner was heard yelling, "No, no, get out of here." The process server served the summons and complaint and Magner. As the process server was leaving Magner's office, Magner yelled, "When someone tells you not to do something, you need to learn that you can't do it."
Bob,
Who was Manger directing his yelling to? "When someone tells you not to do something, you need to learn that you can't do it."
The office worker or Nancy or the process server?
Bob, it is nice to post again.
Anonymous
Nancy, please click above.
It has been reported this insignia is above Code Enforcement Officer Steve Magners office door.
Did you see it?
Bob
please click above.
Bob
Well I assume he was talking to the office staff from the information I gathered. Maybe we will hear a different story from Nancy L., I don't know.
click above
Bob, scoop not scope.. :-) 2 demerits
Achtung!!! Swinehundts!!!
Kommandant Magner ist too important to be treated this vay.
Wie have vays of making you komply!!!
Can I assume that the "process server" was a friend or relative of Nancy's? Or did Sharon volunteer to play "process server?"
Anyone who would regularly be paid to be a process server knows that you don't have to play "sneaky, creepy, goofball" to serve someone in the proffessions with papers.
In fact in most cases service of the office as the staff suggested would be legal. There are many motions that can even be served through the mail. Only few things must be served in person.
But I am sure that our great legal beagels here want to sneak up on him and surprise him in his office. That would almost make them important.
You're lucky he wasn't carrying.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
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I think Leslie Davis was the server. how bout it nancy
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Hey Chuck, your a reputable realator, Nancy Lazaryan's property is near the Winnipeg proposed 56 unit< 7 mill STAR MONEYS? are you aware that Candidate www.myspace.com/jimcasci has vested interest by ownership of 126 Winnipeg ? We are challenging the Elections, on the City's Complicity, manulipating,laundering city moneys, NO Sharon is not Process Server at this time, Thanks for the
Volunteer Position, I will assist you in Ethical Realestate dealings if needed. PEACE: Vote 9/11/07, Repke are you in Bostrom or Casci's Ward? Nancys Blog soverign citizen is worth reading, http://taxthemax.blogspot.com
So, Fancy Pants Kessler was served too. Great!
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Hey Magner,Kalis,Kessler is it really worth it? You guys are always seeming to get in trouble. And Repke why would Magner have to carry when he can fuck you with a code compliance?
I think These code enforcement officers are lucky no one waxes their mole!
I been reading story's here for 3 days now. This is a freckin soap opera. Very interesting blog!
Word on the inside is that employees of the city are very interested in seeing what happens in the lawsuits and theres a lot of chatter.E mails have been frozen and its really affecting the city.Now they know what landlords feel like!!
Way to go Nancy
Why not have a deputy serve the papers and save yourself some of the stupid cat and mouse drama?
Sometimes I think you like to make things difficult because, aside from trying to win your case, you must make a point of being right every step of the way.
A deputy with papers that need to be served can go anywhere anytime and do it, of course you have to pay a small fee.
I was wondering why you kept using the term process server.
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Dear Steve Magner,
This latest "fun" is only going to get worse. You know that you are eventually going to snitch on the associates who helped you pull this racket. You know they don't deserve your protection.
Why don't you just tell all you know now rather than later? It will go easier on you in prison. Maybe they'll even help you with your future prison pimp.
Word on th street is that someone is already is snitching out Magner and a few others to the plaintiffs attornies.
Hey Nancy (or someone else),
Can you elaborate on the issues in this personal civil suit? Who are these other people at Remax?
A few city employees are named defendents in the federal cases often referenced out here, but you state this is "a personal civil suit." Does that mean this city is not a co-defendent or what?
Sorry if these questions are obvious... The answers are not obvious to me!
Regards, Bill Cullen.
This sounds like great fun, to go into Gestapo headquarters on White Bear Avenue, surrounded by panzer white cars (they don't have humvees yet) serve that sucker Magner, and hear him holler. Great job Nancy!
A message to magners office staff.
You done the right thing. This guy is nothing more than a low life thug protected by less than honorable city leaders.
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Nancy,
First, I am very sorry this happened to you. I know the cost of code compliance orders and I believe the city is ridiculous with how often they issue this requirement. I believe their actions are ridiculously punitive.
However, isn't the issue you outlined really with the TISH inspector and your Realtor? Don't they have an obligation to disclose the occupancy status?
If the occupancy was lost before the TISH was issued, the inspector sounds negligent. If the occupancy was lost between when the TISH was issued and you purchased the building, the Realtor sounds negligent to me. If the occupancy status was lost after you purchased the home, then the Realtor might still be liable.. It depends... The realtor should know you can check occupancty status information here: https://www.stpaulonestop.com/AMANDA5/eNtraprise/StPaul/m3list/a_PickProperty.jsp?lid=ReadOnlystpaul. I watch this for my clients.
Again, I am not trying to defend the city -- I think they have significantly overstepped legal AND ETHICAL bounds in many places -- but what did the city do wrong here? Again.. Just trying to understand.
Regards, Bill Cullen.
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Questions for Nancy?
Why do you have such great trouble everywhere you go (St. Paul, Maplewood)?
Does a black cloud follow you?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Randy Andy
Some people have a tendency to create problems, look at Sharon Anderson.
chuck said about the same thing bill cullen said.
i am interested in seeing were this goes in court.
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Wow. This from Nancy tells it all: I got a "certified copy" of the "official" TISH report, from the city on JULY 11, 2007...and it was NOT the "amended" TISH report (from FEB of 2006)
Is ok to send out the wrong TISH report? Buyers, agents and all engaged in a high cost transaction depend on that report. Yikes.
I don't dismiss any of the rest of what Nancy wrote, but sending out the wrong TISH report is, frankly, an intolerable error.
Regards, Bill Cullen
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Here we go again. The City does not create or have any responsibility for the Truth in Housing report. The seller is required to have the report done by someone licensed by the City but the City doesn't guaruntee the report. It couldn't, it wouldn't, it doesn't, your issue is with your real estate agent not the City. If the person who created a document for the SELLER amended it because he/she had failed to check a box, how is it the City's problem? Which ones were at the house and if it wasn't the corrected one go after the agent.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck: The City does not create or have any responsibility for the Truth in Housing report.
Me: The city requires the TISH inspector to file the report with the city AND then issues copies of it to interested parties. Seems to me the city has an obligation to issue the latest, assumingly most accurate, report. Otherwise, what is the citizen getting when they ask the city for a copy?
Nancy appears to claim the city willfully issued an older, outdated TISH. If they did, then I think Nancy has a claim against the city. I still think she has a claim against her Realtor -- which it appears she is pursuing. Guess the courts will decide it.
The confusion I have is why would the city intentionally issue a dated TISH? What could they possibly gain?
Regards, Bill Cullen.
Dear Nancy,
I see you saw my post by your response, "Aren't you cute?" Yes, I am so the girls say.
It sure does seem you do have a dark cloud following you.
Nancy, I am signing off now and going to look for Waldo (Lee Helgen) in Ward 5. If anyone see Helgen let us know, it seems he is nowhere to be found. :-(
Randy Andy
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Hay Randy Andy,
Check this out, www.cityhallscoop.com under the title of; Ward 5: On the fly(er), August 20, 2007 11:22 PM
I love it, Lee Helgen as Waldo, how fitting. If anyone sees this boob let us know.
Voting for HAAS.
North Ender
Bill, what Nancy has actually been saying is that the City keeps giving out the newer (corrected) version and she objects to that. She wants to be able to say that original should stand and since it didn't have a box checked saying that the building was a vacant building therefore the building ISN'T a vacant building.
It is her belief that the incorrect report should take precidence over the actions of the City. Because someone hired by a private party didn't check a box on a form they later corrected that should mute the actions of the City.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
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Maybe its just that the city record keepers are incompetant to keep the records straight.
It seems to me the Anonymous poster at 9:28 AM asked a great question...
Did the city give the wrong TISH to Nancy due to some processing error (incompetance?) or willfully mislead Nancy? It sounds like the courts may decide.
But, I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why the city would willfully issue an outdated TISH report. It makes no sense to me. Maybe someone can educate me?
Regards, Bill Cullen.
Nancy, I am wondering what you thought of the "Registered Vacant Building" sign posted on the house when you purchased it?
For the trouble makers, I have the day off. I am posting from my home computer.
Amanda
I wrote to you some time ago wanting to take you up on your ofer to be "taken over your knee", yet I have heard nothing from you. Do you think I will have to wait much longer?
Amanda,
Not all registered vacant buildings have the blue signs posted. I don't know why or how many are posted versus not posted. But I know some are missing the blue signs.
Regards, Bill Cullen.
Bill you know the tactics of the NHPI department.You know all the stories about Magner being corrupt.Did you really think they are going to play by the book.
This department will end up costing us tax payers money and they need to be all fired and re-organized.
Phil
This is from Nancy's earlier post in a diferent thread here...
Lazaryan then filed an appeal of the “Vacant Building Registration” with the city clerk of
Saint Paul, and scheduled an appeal to be made before Defendant Moermond, the Legislative
Hearing Officer. After filing her Appeal, Lazaryan contacted the buyer’s agent, Shannon
Lindstrom and asked Lindstrom to read the “Truth in Sale of Housing” report that was provided
by the seller, Defendants Wells Fargo and Thomas (Tom) Sawyer. The box for “Vacant
Building” was NOT checked.
Lazaryan then went back to the office of the City of St. Paul department of Neighborhood
Housing and Improvement, located on White Bear Avenue. Lazaryan asked for a “certified
copy” of the “Truth in Sale of Housing” report from the file of 1033 Colne St., stating that
Lazaryan’s records showed that “vacant building” was NOT checked.
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The office staff said, “oh yes, the vacant building box was checked.” Defendant Kalis
was standing in the lobby next to Lazaryan and said, “No, give her the report that was NOT
checked.” Lazaryan then acquired a certified copy of the report, and the box next to vacant
building was not checked.
(snip)
So, as I read it there are two reports the first one and the corrected one. Nancy goes to the City asks for the report, they try to give her the new corrected report and she demands to get a "certified copy" of the old report and they give it to her.
Yup sounds like real skullduggery when asked by a citizen to be given the first incorrect report, the City did what she asked them to...
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repk
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Chuck thank the good Lord you don't work for the city.If and when the city does something wrong you'd still defend it and not make changes.Not once have you ever said the city was wrong and I've showed evidence and others have.Just goes to show that Chuck has his head somewhere.
Tim Ciani
OK - let's try this... calling all people who live in the real world to respond!!!!
If you have ever bought a property in the City of Saint Paul or even thought about buying a property in Saint Paul and you got a copy of the Truth in Sale of Housing Report, where did you get it from?
Now if you are a normal person 60% would say I got from the stack of them on the kitchen counter next to the sink.
40% of normal people would say their real estate agent gave it to them.
I can't think of anyone who I have ever met that went to the City to ask for the TISH from their file.
So, again earth to ADemocracy how/why would the City have anticipated that Nancy would decide to get a copy of the Tish from the City?
They have got to be pretty crafty to know that Nancy was going to be the only person on the planet that does her house hunting not through her real estate agent but through DSI.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
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Earth to Chuck please get your head out of the city ass!Chuck by the way do you hear that big sucking sound?Yeah,thats all your non-profit money going down the drain.People don't forget where Chuck makes his money from and then you can understand why he would stand by St.Pauls even if they had a bloody knife in their hand and were bieng convicted of murder.
Nancy, you have once again said what I have been saying.
1. Your Real Estate Agent gave you a TISH that did not have the vacant building box checked.
2. The City appears at your door and says it is a vacant building and that the TISH says so as well.
3. You go to the City and demand a certified copy of the TISH that you already have that doesn't have the box checked.
4. After some discussion about giving you one with the box checked, the City Staff comply with your request and give you a certified copy of the TISH that you demanded that they give you, not the amended one.
And somehow this means that the City has been a general conspiracy to trap you into buying a house that you didn't know was a vacant building.
Hmmmm.... makes perfect sense. The devils.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
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Nancy, I wouldn't "chat" with Chuck too much. He seems to have an agenda and could use his twisted tongue to discredit you at various upcoming court proceedings that may be in your future. He seems pretty slippery and I wouldn't trust him.
OK Nancy, you have done it again you have me totally confused. So this exchange didn't occur...
The office staff said, “oh yes, the vacant building box was checked.” Defendant Kalis
was standing in the lobby next to Lazaryan and said, “No, give her the report that was NOT
checked.” Lazaryan then acquired a certified copy of the report, and the box next to vacant
building was not checked.
(snip)
That sounds like someone wants to give you an ammended report and you won't let them, so they give you what you asked for...
Sorry, I can't track where you go.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
My gosh, one of you concede. Chuck saids one thing I believe him. nancy comes back and I believe her. Chuck comes back and I believe him. Nancy comes back and I am believeing her again. I am so damn dizzy I don't know whether I am coming or going.
Alex
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AAAAAAAAAAAAArrrrrrrrrggggg!!!
No, they wouldn't have had to admit that the public record was wrong. Its a Truth In Sale of Housing report. The City is not responsible for any part of the content. The entire report is done by a private party hired by the people selling the house. It isn't a part of any "public record."
The only value to the City, and the only reason they would want a copy is to become aware of any very glaring health safety issues and to make sure there is a hard wire smoke detector. But, it isn't an inspection or any kind of certification by the City.
The City requires this in the sale of properties to try reduce the number of times people get ripped off. It isn't anything other than the City trying to protect buyers from lying sellers. Very few, less than a dozen cities in the State require them. The City keeps a copy on file to make sure that some real estate agent doesn't change it when they show you the house.
Nancy's chasing this to figure out if the house was a vacant building or not is like saying I believed something that was in the newspaper. It might be the truth, it might not be the truth and it has nothing to do with anything.
Nancy makes up laws as she goes along. If the City creates a program to better inform buyers and if the seller in someway errors ITS NOT THE CITY'S FAULT!!!
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
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