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Wednesday, September 19, 2007

SAINT PAUL/ Police kill man who rush them with a knife.

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St. Paul cops kill man who rushed them with knife
Shooting happens after two officers encounter domestic violence case
Pioneer Press
Article Launched: 09/19/2007 12:01:00 AM CDT

A knife-wielding man screamed, "F--- you, cops!" before rushing a pair of St. Paul police officers after failed attempts to break into the home where his girlfriend huddled in fear, according to authorities, witnesses and friends of those involved.

After several gunshots, the man lay bleeding; within hours, he was pronounced dead at Regions Hospital in St. Paul.

Just after 7 p.m. Tuesday, St. Paul police shot the man - identified by friends as Donald "Donny" Gartner, 34 - after he allegedly ran at them with a knife in the front yard of his home at 594 York Ave. in the Payne-Phalen neighborhood.

Police were initially called to the home, which Gartner was sharing with his girlfriend - identified by friends as Gloria "Tootsie" Telin - by neighbors who said two men were fighting in the back yard with pipes.

But when two officers arrived, one after the other in separate squad cars, they found no one other than Gartner and Telin at the home.

Neighbors said two neighborhood teenagers - who "had problems" with Gartner - had been walking in the alley behind the couple's home carrying pipes and had argued loudly with Gartner before walking away.

Although the officers did not see the teens, they did notice that Telin had "obvious signs of domestic assault," police spokesman Tom Walsh said. At some point Telin ran inside and locked herself in the house, and Gartner made violent attempts to follow, Walsh said.

As police stayed in the front yard, Gartner ran into the back yard and came back with a knife. The two officers drew their weapons and told Gartner to drop his, but Gartner ignored them and tried to break through the locked front door, Walsh said.
At that point, Walsh said, Gartner turned around and rushed the two officers, who were still in the front yard. Neighbors said they heard the police yell, "Drop the f--ing knife!" and heard Gartner scream, "F-- you, cops!" followed by three or four gunshots.

It was not immediately known where Gartner was hit, but "there is no such thing as shooting to wound," Walsh said. Walsh added that the man might have been struck as many as four times.

Police officials declined to identify the two officers involved in the shooting. Walsh said it was unclear whether both officers fired their weapons.

Walsh said the officers could go on leave if they request it, but department policy does not require it. It was unclear late Tuesday whether the officers were on leave.

One neighbor, who said he knew Gartner well, said Gartner and Telin had been dating "on and off" for 15 years. They had been living together at the home for the past couple of years. The man said he saw Telin bleeding from her ear Tuesday evening, after the shooting.

Gartner had a criminal record, according to state data.

The last fatal St. Paul shooting involving police was in January 2004, when Johnnie Rodgers, 54, was shot after refusing to drop his knife in the parking lot of the Sears store near the state Capitol.

Tuesday's incident is the sixth officer-involved fatal shooting in St. Paul since 2001.

Tad Vezner can be reached at or 651-228-5461.

10:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The house made him do it and they should not have shot him. So what next? Tear down the house?

10:45 AM  
Blogger Bob said...

Hi All,

This sounds like suicide to me.

Nobody with even a quarter of a mind would rush a cop with a knife in hand.

I don't think it would be a good idea to even rush a citizen with a knife who had a permit to carry and was armed.

This knife welding citizen has caused great emotional pain to all who care for him. I am sure the police officers involved have emotional issues to deal with now too. Contrary to what some angry people may think, police officers take NO JOY in killing someone.

Nobody wins!

10:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe the cops should have stuck to snitching people out for housing code violations and then they would not have had to shoot the guy.

11:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Officer safety is first priority for law enforcement officers at any incident, its the departments policy. Obviously this guy was out of control and not in a normal state of mind but rather a rage if he comes at officers with a knife and continues after a verbal warning to stop and drop the weapon. If someone came at you with a knife and you had a gun you would protect yourself too. From the sounds of the condition the female victim was in; bleeding from her ear and etc... shows that he was very capable of a violent attack on who ever may get in his path.

Nancy O.

11:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dead men cant speak either !

4:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Dead men cant speak either !
4:26 PM

True, is government the killers?
Government and their employees do things that the normal person would get life in prison for.
The Dead Comic

11:11 PM  

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