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Cut and run is the Democrats way of life.
The Democrats are endorsed by these unions and they are beholding to them. Expanding government, taxing and more taxing to support our bloated government and folks like Chuck and Eric think this is fine. They will not stop until all employees are government workers and the government controls all property. Chuck and Eric are the tax the rich crowd advocates, but the rich they are talking about already pay the majority of the taxes so some slob can sit on his couch and eat chips. I am not against helping someone in need, but generations upon generations of government assistance has to STOP.
This government assistance has hurt the African American Community by supporting irresponsibility, single motherhood and excluding males from the household by offering more benefits to single family households.
The government has ruined the African American family structure and created one that is dependent of the government for help.
Chuck and Eric our government is broke. Sure tax the rich, but the result will be no investment, businesses moving to Wisconsin and South Dakota. I know let the US government borrow more money from China to stimulate the economy and let generations upon generations pay for it. Over 14 TRILLION debt and we have one president to thank and that is Chuck and Eric's hero President Obama.
Wisconsin even offers two years of no corporate taxes for businesses to move to Wisconsin, the home of the Championing Green Bay Packers.
Don't you hear that sucking sound? Minnesota businesses moving to South Dakota and Wisconsin.
Go Pack GO.
Hmmm so the Democrats in Wisconsin are doing what the Senate Republicans did in Washington for the last two years and now the right wing cries that it is cowardliness.
In the US Senate it takes 60 votes to stop a filibuster and the GOP spent two years roadblocking everything that Obama tried to do to fix the country. What the GOP did in refusing to end filibusters is in effect vote that they were not ready to vote yes or no. That is the motion to end debate (the filibuster). They would not let the vote happen until they got what they wanted.
In Wisconsin it takes 2/3's present and voting to pass a budget bill. Without the Democrats in attendance the GOP doesn't have 2/3's present to vote. They aren't going to show up to vote until the GOP gives the part of what they want.
As to the "tax the rich crowd" that I am a part of, damn straight I am, because that it what made our country great. Do you remember the prosperity of the 1950's and 1960's? The growing suburbs the healthy urban settings, the numbers of people that were getting good jobs with good union wages. The new freeways being built? The productivity of the country?
Do you remember what the country was like then?
That was a good time then wasn't it?
Do you know what the Federal Tax rate was then? Back then? Back when people were investing in their businesses and the country was booming?
The Federal Income Tax upper bracket from 1950 to 1963 was 91%for all income over $400,000. NINETY ONE PERCENT!!! That means that if some business owner decided to pay himself a million dollars in salary he would have paid $546,0000 of the last $600,000 he paid himself to the Federal government. His overall taxes to the Fed's on his million dollar salary would have been about $750,000.
That is what made America great!!!
Business owners had to reinvest their money back into the business because it they took it out the Federal taxes would eat it up. Because back then people actually felt ashamed when they exploited the poor, and back then people actually realized that as a country we were in it together. We are a nation. We are a people and you who profit from the blessings that living in this country have an obligation to pay to make the country work. We had patriotism.
Today, Greed is God. We get told every day that the government (We the people) is the problem and not the solution. We should hate our neighbor and wish him bad health, starvation and unemployment if it means I can have a few more pennies. The problem is the starving masses not the wealthy elite.
Well, they are crooks, and liars and they are doing everything the can to lie to the masses to make them think that taxes are up when for those people making over $400,000 a year taxes are 1/3 of what they were fifty years ago.
We have the lowest tax rates ever for the upper income earners and the worse financial crisis since the great depression.... but don't blame those with all of the money, blame those who are still trying to keep their health insurance.
The super rich are destroying our country and you are being conned into believing something else.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck Get Real I just qualified for $16.00 in Food Stamps
While these Pensioned Parisites are breaking the Country.
Its not only the Rich, but the DFL Greed.
Cops are not finding the people who robbed me even tho on Camera.
Pensioned parasites, pensioned parasites...??? You do know that pensions are negosiated as a part of a contract and you do know that the usually come instead of salary increases, and you do know that cities by law are required to put the monies into the pension fund as they pay the employee so that city and county pension fund are each year evaluated to make sure that they are fully funded...
So, if there are raids done on pension funds and pension funds that aren't fully funded it happens when REPUBLICAN governors give tax cuts to the wealthy and defer payments to a later date.
The bad fiscall management comes from Republicans refusing to make those who profit from the blessing of this country pay to maintain the country.
Think folks what does the government spend money on? Nationally it spends the largest portion of its money feeding the miltary industrial complex. We buy weapons, we upgrade weapons, we fight wars to use up weapons, so we can buy more weapons and bigger, stronger, faster weapons.
On a state level monies the three largest expenses are to build roads and bridges to get goods and services to market and employees to jobs; education to create a workforce of new labors to attend to businesses needs and corrections/courts/cops to protect those who have wealth from those who would steal it from them.
So, we have a government that pays to facilitate business and yet business screams when it has to pay for the services.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
By information and Belief the Teachers in Wisc. that are Shutting down Government make 89 thous yearly
I just got Food Stamps of $16.00 sixteen dollars.
The Disparaties are Bizzare.
No one will win in Wisc.
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The city and states union is breaking the states budgets.
Look what UAW did for Ford. And
now all are getting profit sharing checks this year.
The unions needs to give back some
stuff. To keep their jobs.
9:09 - that is just laughable.
Do you know what percentage of those working were union jobs in the 1950s? About 45%. You know what it is now about 7%.
Sounds like its the unions that are breaking the country... and Ford didn't get a bail out and are doing fine thank you very much.
What a load of crap.
I just showed you the numbers on what is breaking the country. We use to have a tax system that forced people to continue to invest in their companies. We use to understand that if more people are getting paid better they can buy more things and we all make more money.
But that isn't the Republican way. What we need is no taxes, low wages, no health care, massive poverty and poor public education, because it is good for my short term interest.
Wisconsin has half of the budget problem Minnesota does and the first thing Governor Walker and the GOP did was give out a 117 million dollar tax cut.
First things first, give the rich more money and then screw the working guys...
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
You are nuts Chuck.
The private sector has been taking cuts and reducing for the last several years.
The government worker population has grown. The pensions have grown. The government worker unions have grown.
It is time they feel the pain we are feeling. We can’t support our families on what we are making because government is taking away our money and giving it to someone else. We are tired of seeing our money wasted by the Obama administration.
Maybe we need another revolution to stop this socialist movement that is destroying our country.
Chuck keep your "redistribution of wealth" crap and stick it up yours.
You liberals are all for this socialism crap. Look at how well that worked out for Cuba, Russia.
Take your commie crap and get out of here.
Part One:
WSJ: Unions about power, not democracy
posted at 11:36 am on February 18, 2011 by Ed Morrissey
If anyone thought that unions were paragons of democracy, the display in Madison this week has been instructive. Their protests have given their Democratic allies in the Wisconsin state senate an excuse to abandon representative democracy rather than abide by the results of an election less than four months earlier, and protesters hold signs comparing newly-elected Republican Scott Walker to dictators such as Hosni Mubarak and Adolf Hitler for the crime of proposing changes in the law which he promised during the election campaign. The Wall Street Journal argues today that the spectacle in Wisconsin shows that unions are interested in only one thing — power:
The reality is that the unions are trying to trump the will of the voters as overwhelmingly rendered in November when they elected Mr. Walker and a new legislature. As with the strikes against pension or labor reforms that routinely shut down Paris or Athens, the goal is to create enough mayhem that Republicans and voters will give up.
While Republicans now have the votes to pass the bill, on Thursday Big Labor’s Democratic allies walked out of the state senate to block a vote. Under state rules, 20 members of the 33-member senate must be present to hold a vote on an appropriations bill, leaving the 19 Republicans one member short. By the end of the day some Democrats were reported to have fled the state. So who’s really trying to short-circuit democracy?
Unions are treating these reforms as Armageddon because they’ve owned the Wisconsin legislature for years and the changes would reduce their dominance. Under Governor Walker’s proposal, the government also would no longer collect union dues from paychecks and then send that money to the unions. Instead, unions would be responsible for their own collection regimes. The bill would also require unions to be recertified annually by a majority of all members. Imagine that: More accountability inside unions.
It’s not just the unions, either. The Democratic Party has helped push this protest within the DNC, while President Obama tried to fire up his supporters — with misinformation, as it turned out (emphasis mine):
The protests have an orchestrated quality, and sure enough, the Politico website reported yesterday that the Democratic Party’s Organizing for America arm is helping to gin them up. The outfit is a remnant of President Obama’s 2008 election campaign, so it’s also no surprise that Mr. Obama said yesterday that while he knows nothing about the bill, he supports protesters occupying the Capitol building.
Part Two:
“These folks are teachers, and they’re firefighters and they’re social workers and they’re police officers,” he said, “and it’s important not to vilify them.” Mr. Obama is right that he knows nothing about the bill because it explicitly excludes police and firefighters. We’d have thought the President had enough to think about with his own $1.65 trillion deficit proposal going down with a thud in Congress, but it appears that the 2012 campaign is already underway.
The standoff in Madison could become a seminal moment in American politics. At stake is control over public policy. Will that control go to the voters who rejected years of Democratic policies that brought huge budget deficits in Wisconsin thanks to pandering to public-sector unions, or to the unions who need to perpetuate those policies in order to get the cash necessary to wield power? Will Wisconsin have a representative government at all, or merely a rubber stamp for union bosses?
That same fight will soon come to Washington as well. The kind of cuts in federal spending necessary to get the US out of deficits will require a significant reduction in bureaucratic jobs. Unions will resist this as much as they currently are fighting to maintain the unsustainable status quo in Madison. Congress will have to eventually ask itself whether America has a representative democracy, or if Congress exists as a puppet for unions to manipulate.
The Journal calls this the Battle of Mad Town, but that will be merely one front in a broader fight to return to fiscal sanity and actual representative democracy. Fortunately, you can tell who the good guys are in this fight. They’re the ones who don’t run away in an effort to deny voters the policies for which they voted in the last election.
Chuck and Eric you are all wet. The WSJ tells it like it is.
Greed and Power is all what the unions represent.
We buy weapons, we upgrade weapons, we fight wars to use up weapons, so we can buy more weapons and bigger, stronger, faster weapons.
OK
All made by union employees.
Thank You
from the New Boy in Town.
China is also a communist country and they own our asses. What's your point on Cuba and Russia?
In Wisconsin, the unions have forgone any increases and as of last night will go along with ALL of the cuts, however, the governor wants more. He wants to eliminate the right for collective bargaining, that is nuts.
Wall Street Journal was bought by the Fox News owner a few years back, its a sounding board for the most watched- and most error-filled channel on tv.
I'm surprised most of you are for the government taking away rights. I thought the point of the blog was the opposite. I guess its only the rights you like. Anyway, most of you are not the brightest bulbs and rely heavily on help, having some protections in the workplace from the more powerful is designed that even if you're as dumb as the day is long, if you work hard and follow the rules, you don't starve or get mistreated.
People like Chuck and I, individually, will be OK because we understand how the system works, not because some dick on Fox News told us. We don't rely on lawsuits or guaranteed handouts from the government (section 8 housing assistance checks). What you boneheads are not getting is that once those rights are unwritten, that you won't even be able to file a suit based on it.
Good for the Democrats in Wisconsin. The Republicans spent two years filibustering everything they could and now they want to criticize?
Do any of you know what you're talking about beyond soundbites?
Tea party politics at its best. Supported by the idiots who could find a sandwich in a lunch bag. You all are making 2012 too damn easy.
So how's that lawsuit coming? Six years now, still waiting for that payday?
jerks.
Eric
We buy weapons, we upgrade weapons, we fight wars to use up weapons, so we can buy more weapons and bigger, stronger, faster weapons.
OK
All made by union employees.
Thank You
from the New Boy in Town.
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New Boy, you need some old knowledge. The weapons are built by the private sector, some foreign. You know what Defense Contractors do, don't you?
Weapons are built by the most powerful corporations in the world. Some are in the US. Some have union employees (Lockheed Martin machinist unions). They are most certainly not "All made by union employees."
Welcome to the fray NBT.
Eric
Chuck and Eric
Is this the story?
Greed and Power = Democrats...
Chuck you think taxing people at 91% is what made America great (your post, your words)?
You are NUTS!
12:38 - that's the facts Jack!
From 1950 until 1964 the time when some of America's biggest period of growth occured the tax rate for anyone making over $400,000 a year was 91%. From 1936 until 1980 the top tax rate was never lower than 70%. That is the boom years of America. HIGH TAX RATES ON THE WEALTHY MADE AMERICA GREAT!
Think! Try to quit listening to Fox news for a second and think for yourself.
When personal tax rates are very high top money earners don't take big salaries, instead they take stock options and invest the money in the business.
If you owned a business and the deal is if you pay yourself a million dollars the government taxes you $750,000 and you take home $250,000 or you can pay yourself $300,000 take home $240,000 (pay $60,000 in taxes)and put $700,000 back into your business building new buildings, hiring more employees and increasing your stock value, what are you going to do?
You put the money into the business and that is EXACTLY what happpens when you have high tax rates. The big lie the fat cats try to sell you is if there were lower tax rates on the rich they would hirer more workers... That is insane. Taxes come out after you have paid for more workers or bought more equipment. Low tax rates encourage people to TAKE the money out of business.
Since the Reagan tax cuts for the wealthy in 1981 we have gone from having an upper tax rate of 70% and cut it in half to 35% and the country has gone in the shitter.
The wealthy have run off with the cash, salaries have gone down, the unions have been destroyed and they are convincing the public that they need to kiss the ass of the wealthy for the crums.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck,
Without investment you little guys wouldn't have shit.
Tax the golden goose and see what happens, comrade.
Chuck,
You lie with stats.
Sure the rates were high for uber rich take 1917 the tax rate was 67% but on money made over $2 MILLION. Who back in 1917 was making $2 MILLION or 1941, tax rate 81% of income OVER $5 MILLION.
Dayton and Obama thing households making $130,000 to $150,000 are rich, we aren't.
Below is a chart or the rates you talk about, but the amount that is taxed is also enclosed.
In todays dollars we the middle to upper class are being taxed more. Just using percentages gives a false perception of the facts.
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Historical rates (married couples, filing jointly)Table:
Tax year
Column 1
Top marginal tax rate (%)
Column 2
Taxable income over--
Column 3
(1) (2) (3)
1913 7% 500,000
1914 7% 500,000
1915 7% 500,000
1916 15% 2,000,000
1917 67% 2,000,000
1918 77% 1,000,000
1919 73% 1,000,000
1920 73% 1,000,000
1921 73% 1,000,000
1922 58% 200,000
1923 43.5% 200,000
1924 46% 500,000
1925 25% 100,000
1926 25% 100,000
1927 25% 100,000
1928 25% 100,000
1929 24% 100,000
1930 25% 100,000
1931 25% 100,000
1932 63% 1,000,000
1933 63% 1,000,000
1934 63% 1,000,000
1935 63% 1,000,000
1936 79% 5,000,000
1937 79% 5,000,000
1938 79% 5,000,000
1939 79% 5,000,000
1940 81.1% 5,000,000
1941 81% 5,000,000
1942 88% 200,000
1943 88% 200,000
1944 94% 200,000
1945 94% 200,000
1946 86.45% 200,000
1947 86.45% 200,000
1948 82.13% 400,000
1949 82.13% 400,000
1950 84.36% 400,000
1951 91% 400,000
1952 92% 400,000
1953 92% 400,000
1954 91% 400,000
1955 91% 400,000
1956 91% 400,000
1957 91% 400,000
1958 91% 400,000
1959 91% 400,000
1960 91% 400,000
1961 91% 400,000
1962 91% 400,000
1963 91% 400,000
1964 77% 400,000
1965 70% 200,000
1966 70% 200,000
1967 70% 200,000
1968 75.25% 200,000
1969 77% 200,000
1970 71.75% 200,000
1971 70% 200,000
1972 70% 200,000
1973 70% 200,000
1974 70% 200,000
1975 70% 200,000
1976 70% 200,000
1977 70% 203,200
1978 70% 203,200
1979 70% 215,400
1980 70% 215,400
1981 69.125% 215,400
1982 50% 85,600
1983 50% 109,400
1984 50% 162,400
1985 50% 169,020
1986 50% 175,250
1987 38.5% 90,000
1988 28% 29,750
1989 28% 30,950
1990 28% 32,450
1991 31% 82,150
1992 31% 86,500
1993 39.6% 89,150
1994 39.6% 250,000
1995 39.6% 256,500
1996 39.6% 263,750
1997 39.6% 271,050
1998 39.6% 278,450
1999 39.6% 283,150
2000 39.6% 288,350
2001 39.1% 297,350
2002 38.6% 307,050
2003 35% 311,950
Chuck factually states:
The wealthy have run off with the cash, salaries have gone down, the unions have been destroyed and they are convincing the public that they need to kiss the ass of the wealthy for the crums.
Then anonymous idiot proves his point by saying:
Without investment you little guys wouldn't have shit.
Tax the golden goose and see what happens, comrade.
You gotta see it to believe it sometimes. Amazing.
Eric
1951 91% 400,000
1952 92% 400,000
1953 92% 400,000
1954 91% 400,000
1955 91% 400,000
1956 91% 400,000
1957 91% 400,000
1958 91% 400,000
1959 91% 400,000
1960 91% 400,000
1961 91% 400,000
1962 91% 400,000
1963 91% 400,000
1987 38.5% 90,000
1988 28% 29,750
1989 28% 30,950
1990 28% 32,450
1991 31% 82,150
1992 31% 86,500
1993 39.6% 89,150
1994 39.6% 250,000
1995 39.6% 256,500
1996 39.6% 263,750
1997 39.6% 271,050
1998 39.6% 278,450
1999 39.6% 283,150
2000 39.6% 288,350
2001 39.1% 297,350
2002 38.6% 307,050
2003 35% 311,950
Chuck was right.
No one said 150,000 was rich. The point was that those making that amount are not paying their fair share as compared to those making less than half of that. Keep fighting for them/us, I'm sure eventually you'll get the crumbs.
Eric
Chuck and Eric,
The whole incentive to having a business is to make money.
Hiring workers is a part of that process. The business owner risks money to make money. The workers don't share that risk, only if the product they are making is poor and sales are lost because of poor workmanship. Businesses are also lost due to poor management. If a business fails the workers are not responsible to the bank for the businesses losses.
This idea the workers are owed anything is crap. Any business owner knows that if you treat the workers well then they will produce a good product.
High taxes for the rich only cause business owners not to reinvest. Why should they if their money is going to be taken away by the government, no incentive there.
With my business, I count on my employees and in return I expect them to produce or they are out the door. They do a good job I reward them, if they are slugs then they are out the door. It is that simple.
Unions feel that they are owed something because they work for someone, but this is not reality. I will not pay some slob to sit and do nothing. Produce or get out of my business. I didn't risk my home, long hours to provide welfare to a slob who can't work or pull their weight. I usually give them the address to the county welfare office (Ramsey County on Kellogg Blvd.)
The unions are hurting our country like Russia and China couldn't. They are breaking our country with their rich retirement and healthcare plans that no one in the private sector can afford. Why, because the government agencies have taxing authority to pay for them and we don't. We the working stiffs pay for these rich retirement and healthcare plans.
What is happening is there is class warfare going on. Unions sticking it to us and we the working stiffs are paying for it. Thanks to the unions and their damn collective bargaining.
OK - so like I said during the boom years of this country the wealthy, were paying 91% in taxes for all money earned over $400,000.
Which was exactly what I said, I also said that for a longer period the top tax rate was at least 70%. As alway I told you the truth.
Those numbers were a huge surprise to you Fox News watcher wasn't it? You think taxes on the rich have gone up, when in the real world they are lower than they have been since 1932.
2:20 what you forget is that the wealthy have wealth in the this country because "we the people," the government chooses to have a regulated capitalistic system. What, "we the people" have learned over again (and you would to if you read history) is that the wealthy if not controled will eat the goose that lays the golden egg, they will eat the seed corn and they will at every turn screw their own long term interest for short term gain. It is just a fact.
The other fact is that during that time of great boom better than 45% of the work force were union workers and our country prospered.
Now with the fat cats running the show and eating their seed corn they have almost entirely destroyed unionism in the country and roughly 7% of the work force is now union.
2:20 you have no "right" to your wealth that living in this country hasn't given you. It is your right because you live in a country that allows it. You ought to think what causes countries to have the revolutions that take away those property rights. It is when the princes and kings forget that they must keep the masses fed and housed or they will over throw a government that controlled by the princes and kings.
You are correct what is going on here is class warfare since 1980 the princes and kings have refused to pay to run the government and have taken more and more wealth into the personal fortune making the poor poorer and poorer, they have crushed most of the unions and are starting to destroy what is left of the middle class.
Wisconsin is finally somebody fighting back.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck,
$400,000 was a lot of money back in the day. You could buy a house for $7,500.00 in Macgroveland or Highland. Now you can't touch the same house for over $200,000.
Now $130,000 for the average household is not so much.
Try comparing apples to apples.
Are you saying we should go to a tax rate of 91% for people making $130,000?
Saying the high rate over and over doesn't make your point. The amount of money this rate was applied to is a very small portion. The new tax proposed by Obama and Dayton targets the average household of lets say two teachers making $65,000 each a year. They are going to get soaked, whereas in the past the bar was set much higher.
I know Chuck, why don't we all just give away all the money we make to the government? Getting things free from the government creates an environment where the government is expected to provide and all you have to do is just sit back and let the government provide for you. There will be no incentive to work hard except the prospect of being thrown in jail for not doing your part for society as a whole. This is what North Korea does. Don't they have a wonderful country? Chuck if you want I bet some of the members here would chip in a few bucks to send you and Eric to this socialist country you love so much and want to turn America into.
Chuck you are wrong.
The only thing unions care about is power.
Unions are hurting our country by their terrorist ways and it is about time to stop their madness.
It's clear the compensation given to most public employees is more than the average people can afford. Unions need to back off in these times or they are going to get busted.
9:34 - first off I was talking about that for the best growth time in our country we had an EXTREMELY high tax rate on upper income earners. It was over $400,000 50 years ago, if that was a million or two today that would be a fair rate.
As to the 5% increase that Dayton wants 150 K or 3% increase that Obama wanted on 200K, that isn't on your gross wages that is on the net tax rate AFTER all of your deductions.
So, that is after you deduct all of the income loss for the fifteen apartment complexes you own and after you deduct your car, and your truck payments as business deductions and after you deduct your trip to New York to talk to your broker....
So, saying that $150K is what two married people who make $75K make as middle class workers make is a lie. It is after all of their deductions.
No teachers would be harmed in any increase...
...and 9:37 you are just crazy, 7% of the workforce have little or no impact but there was a time when the unions made America great... the 40 hour work week, pensions, health insurance, the middle class brought to you by LABOR.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Who said "not a dimes worth of difference "
The Rich still run the Country via Campaign Funds to Candidates
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As usual the same 2 people sticking up for the union parasites and DFL cancer that is eating us alive.
As usual same ol' shit from this site. 2 people with common sense, the rest too lazy to think for themselves.
Except Sharon. Some kind of way, she stumbled across what Chuck and I have been trying to tell you. The rich who don't give a damn about you, and I'm talking about billionaires, (not some poor chump who's worth a million or two if he liquidated everything)are tapping into the republicans natural voiced hatred of government to get their paid for candidates elected and remove the barriers that keep them from completely ruining the country.
The government has been the only thing in history protecting you from the corporations. Look what happened when we deregulated Wall Street like they've been asking for- they almost sunk the country into a Depression and almost destroyed their own industry.
Yet, you who are so removed from all of that, argue that the unions are to blame. The unions that only have 7% of the workforce membership?
Bunch of bleeping fools.
Eric
http://www.indystar.com/article/20110222/NEWS/110222004/House-Democrats-flee-Indiana-stop-votes?odyssey=mod%7Cbreaking%7Ctext%7CIndyStar.com
Hopefully, the link works.
It is a story in the Indiana paper reporting that the Democrats in the Senate there have done the same thing... left town rather than let the Republican's screw the working men and women of their state.
This time it is legislation against private unions that the GOP want to bust.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck, it's not the Republicans kicking the poor. The working stiff in the private sector doesn’t get these Cadillac retirement plans and we are tired of having to pay for big government.
Now lets talk about the Democrats in the south after the Civil War and their alliance with the KKK.
Lets talk about how they developed the Black Codes and wanted to keep the African Americans slaves and how the Republicans worked to free the slaves and the Democrats wanted to keep the African Americans slaves. It took 100 years to free the slaves. The Republicans tried to give the former slaves civil rights, but the Democrats kept the south slaves for another 100 years.
6:40 My Father's, Mother's, Father's, Father (great, great grandfather) Riley Marden was a lieutenant with the 128th United State's Colored Infantry. He was a white officer of African American troops in 1864-65. His son, my Great Grandfather Charles S. Marden (who my father was named after) was a REPUBLICAN legislator from Moorehead MN.
You are absolutely correct from the 1850's until the 1910's most of the LIBERALS were in the Republican party. They were the party of the abolitionists and even the environmentalists (Teddy Roosevelt).
With the birth of the Labor movement in the large cities of the North came the reverse of those patterns and the more socially conscious became Democrats in the north and we had a Liberal Democratic party in the north and a racist Democratic party in the South.
Those things started to change first in 1948 with the Truman/Thurmond fight (Sothern Dem's walk out of the convention and become the "Dixicrats.") Humphrey did the big pro-civil rights speech.
In 1960 the Democrat platform became more civil rights oriented and by 1968 Dick Nixon was able to put together the "solid south" and every racist south of the Mason Dixon Line has been firmly in the Republican column ever since.
So, please, don't try to give me a history lesson.... spelling lesson maybe, but not a history lesson.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Sorry, 127th Colored Troops... didn't want to lie to you...
Chuck
At one time. Once they stood for the working man (FDR) and then for civil rights (Johnson in the 1960's) the republicans found themselves full to hilt of the racists who left the Democratic Party.
Nixon went to the White House in 1968 based on the Southern Strategy which gave comfort to the white racists. In 1980 Ronald Reagan used the same strategy to kickoff his campaign. He went to a tiny town, Philadelphia, MS, and kicked his campaign off for President talking about 'states rights' which was code in the 40s, 50's and 60's for the southern states to sustain segregation (their way of life). That town is known for one thing, the murder of three civil rights workers who there in the early 60's registering blacks to vote. Why would Reagan go there? A former California governor who was born and raised in Illinois?
Klan Leader David Duke was an elected republican in Louisiana in the 1990's and ran for President under the Republican ticket. Anti-Semite, anti-immigrant, anti-everyone who is not white Pat Buchanan is a well-known Republican.
After the election of Barack Obama republican state parties and republican party officers were getting caught weekly passing racist emails and 'jokes'.
Current Republican members of congress have discounted, dowmplayed and completely ignored some of the blatent racism and discrimination out of their own mouths and the mouths of their unelected spokespersons like Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck.
Yes, at one time it was the Democrats who were the party of racists. That's how we inherited Senator Byrd.
Eric
Eric are you saying the DFL doesn't send racist emails?
A very close friend who works for the state DFL party and he has shared many of these emails with me. Some even were very nasty about Republicans and teabaggers and the sexual meaning of the word teabagger.
Chuck,
The tax rates may have ranged from 91% to 28% but the government has never colloeced more than 19% GDP in taxes.
The wealthy will either use a tax shelter or move and not reinvest.
10:01 - no what the wealthy did was INVEST THE MONEY IN THE BUSINESS.
That is the reason for extremely high tax rates, it caps how much profit the boys on the top can take out of the business.
When the tax rate was 90% on all income over $400,000 then nobody took home a million dollars. They took stock in the company instead (REINVESTED). If they were the owner they built more plants, hired more workers and increased the worth of the their business. Which made them wealthier.
And, guess what... the government collected the tax money from all of those extra employees that were being hired and property taxes on the bulidings being built.
But with low tax rates you take the money out of the business and by gold and oil future options and pay no taxes and create no jobs.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck the tax on businesses should be 19% max. What we are seeing is a deinvestment. Look at St. Paul, most major manufactures have moved out, why? The high taxes. Downtown is dead. These companies can't be competitive in the marketplace due to high taxes. These companies can't just go to the money tree (taxes) like the government does on a regular basis.
Look who has been in charge of government in St. Paul for the last 30+ years, Democrats. Look who had been in control of state government for the last 35 years, Democrats. The Democrats controlled the house and senate for the majority of the time. There were a few years where Republicans controlled the house, but the Democrats had controlled to for over 30 years in the last 35.
It is the failed policies of the Democrats that we are in this position.
Now you may talk about the spending of G. W. Bush, but may I remind you that your president Obama had spent more money in the last 2 years than out government has spent in the last 18. With Obummer Care, we have already spent 105 Billion and are projected to spend 1/6 of our GDP ($1.6 Trillion).
10:55 - didn't see this post, so I am sorry for the slow response.
First the City of Saint Paul taxes business $0 on any profit they make. There is no City income tax. So, when we talk about corporate taxes cities don't tax corporations. So, the DFL in Saint Paul have never taxed a downtown business one dime on all of the profits they have made.
Cities do have property taxes. When the GOP governor has been cutting LGA (income tax dollars from the cities being sent back to them to plow streets and provide cops) cities through-out Minnesota have been raising property taxes. That is the only tax that the cities have the power to levy.
In Saint Paul, from the last year of Jim Schiebel, through eight years of Norm Coleman and four years of Randy Kelly and the first year of Chris Coleman, FOURTEEN YEARS the City increased its share of the tax levy 0%. Zero, no increase for fourteen years. Mayor Coleman did a restructure of the budget and had to do a couple of increases in response to the drastic cuts that Pawlenty made to funding to the cities.
If the state refuses to send our income tax dollars back to the cities that provide service like street plowing and police protection, then cities must raise that money through property taxes.
The DFL has not had the governor's office in TWENTY YEARS!!! TWENTY FREAKING YEARS!!! Through out this time taxes on corporations have continued to go down and the response from the business community is to pretend that it isn't true.
Most of the major corporations pay little or no corporate taxes because they are all profit based. If you can hide your earnings you pay no taxes. That is why the multi-million dollar salaries. If expenses are high, profits are low. TAXES COME OUT OF PROFITS.... NOT OUT OF EARNINGS OR INCOME.
That is what the uninformed don't understand.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
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