Saint Paul/ Council Woman Kathy Lantry Goes Bonkers! (Resolution 51)
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Let you people something. That Lantry is a real problem. She wants a perfect world and city.
hey buddie
Its The law
THANK YOU, THANK YOU , THANK YOU,
Bobby Johnson, another Paul Harvey, with the Rest of the Story.
Nancy Lazaryan, humble attempt to Save our Homes, approx (30) at this meeting, and to notify the City of St. Paul of the Criminal Violations after (3) times Kathy Lantry's Intent with Libel and Malice is Bizzare,
Lantry shouting Shutup,Shutup,Shutup, Stop,Stop,Stop, then Lantry runs off the Bench, with Gavel in Hand to Threaten,Intimidate ie: Chat with Lantry off Camera,
If MS 13 Open meeting Law was not so serious, Lantry is Looney and must be removed from Office, Actually the entire Council
AND OR IS THE CITY ATTORNEY JERRY HENDERICKSON, INEFFECTIVE ASSISTANCE OF COUNSEL????
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2889722505597651505
Pretty empty room for such a "hot" topic that's going to break the city.
1. What part of the open meeting law were they violating?
2. In that law, is 'public' defined as citizens of the country, state or city (since you were at a city council meeting)?
3. Are you a citizens of St Paul Nancy?
4. Have you brought these issues before the council before? Therefore you have had an opportunity to speak to the council on your grievances.
Your buddy Bob is good at throwing misinformation out there. He knows damn well that you have had opportunity and took advantage of petitioning your government.
So, we already know you think the city is out to get you. I believe you also are in the county is evil crowd too but, your buddy Bob mentioned on the cam-show that you all were thrown out of the state capitol too. Is the state after you too?
Or,
Are you proving yourself to be a time wasting, uninformed, misanthrope to those who work in government?
Its strange how you are always the kid complaining about how the teacher doesn't like you or is always picking on you.
I'll be watching next week as you serve the city council with papers that supposedly will unseat all of them.
If they violated the open meeting law, shouldn't you get an opinion on that from the Attorney General's Office who oversees the state open meeting law? At least have the written opinion of someone who's passed the bar? Isn't is likely you're setting yourself up for more trouble by not continually jumping the gun with half-assed information? I mean, your interpretation of the law has landed you in conflict after conflict since you've been on this blog and we have yet to see one victory from your interpretation.
You got Leslie at least.
Eric
2:31 is Sharon and she's calling Kathy looney?
wtf?
Eric
Eric the "Great" who the F do you think you are?Know your place and shut up.You bitch at the ricomen for lawsuits and now bitch at Nancy for standing up against the council.Maybe you should shut up and go back to edemocracy or take you dick out of the councils ass.Your ignorant.Just because you can put a couple of sentences together doesn't mean you know what your talking about.I feel bad for your wife or the gals you have on the side.I bet your wife doesn't know about that.
Sid
Just a minor misunderstanding.
The city council follows open meeting laws to the letter as long as people don't know what is going on. They want to be the ones to decide.
All this dirty laundry will play well to the Republican National Convention. I think they will see opportunity.
Wow Sid.
You blow your boyfriend with that potty mouth of yours? Who are these 'gals' on the side? Are they good looking? If you are going to paint me in some crazy fantasy, make sure I'm surrounded by pretty people. Are you confusing me with Norm Coleman?
You seem to be soooo smart, answer this:
This meeting was an open meeting under state statute Chapter 13D. We could see on video that Nancy and two others were there observing. So, it wasn't a closed meeting according to the law.
Speaking in an open meeting is a different chapter and different issue.
This meeting was open to the public to observe and none of the people's business was handled behind closed doors or in secrecy- which is the point of the open meeting.
Nancy of course- as usual, has taken a partial reading of the law and applied it to a different area. She then gets numskulls who are willing to believe the council is behind JFK's assassination and PRESTO! You got all the proof of corruption you need.
I'm shocked, shocked, shocked that Nancy could leave out information and that people who post on here are supporting her.
Eric
OPEN MEETING LAW
(it doesn't say anywhere you have the right to SPEAK at it)
1. In executive branch, local government. All meetings, including executive
sessions, must be open to the public
(a) of a state
(1) agency,
(2) board,
(3) commission, or
(4) department,
when required or permitted by law to transact public business in a meeting;
(b) of the governing body of a
(1) school district however organized,
(2) unorganized territory,
(3) county,
(4) statutory or home rule charter city,
(5) town, or
(6) other public body;
(c) of any
(1) committee,
(2) subcommittee,
(3) board,
(4) department, or
(5) commission,
of a public body; and
(d) of the governing body or a committee of:
(1) a statewide public pension plan defined in section 356A.01, subdivision 24; or
(2) a local public pension plan governed by section 69.77, sections 69.771 to 69.775,
or chapter 354A, 422A, or 423B.
Subd. 2. Exceptions. This chapter does not apply
(1) to meetings of the commissioner of corrections;
(2) to a state agency, board, or commission when it is exercising quasi-judicial functions
involving disciplinary proceedings; or
(3) as otherwise expressly provided by statute.
Subd. 3. Subject of and grounds for closed meeting. Before closing a meeting, a public
body shall state on the record the specific grounds permitting the meeting to be closed and
describe the subject to be discussed.
Subd. 4. Votes to be kept in journal. (a) The votes of the members of the state agency,
board, commission, or department; or of the governing body, committee, subcommittee, board,
department, or commission on an action taken in a meeting required by this section to be open to
the public must be recorded in a journal kept for that purpose.
(b) The vote of each member must be recorded on each appropriation of money, except for
payments of judgments, claims, and amounts fixed by statute.
Subd. 5. Public access to journal. The journal must be open to the public during all normal
business hours where records of the public body are kept.
Subd. 6. Public copy of members' materials. (a) In any meeting which under subdivisions
1, 2, 4, and 5, and section 13D.02 must be open to the public, at least one copy of any printed
materials relating to the agenda items of the meeting prepared or distributed by or at the direction
of the governing body or its employees and:
(1) distributed at the meeting to all members of the governing body;
(2) distributed before the meeting to all members; or
(3) available in the meeting room to all members;
shall be available in the meeting room for inspection by the public while the governing body
considers their subject matter.
(b) This subdivision does not apply to materials classified by law as other than public as
defined in chapter 13, or to materials relating to the agenda items of a closed meeting held in
accordance with the procedures in section 13D.03 or other law permitting the closing of meetings.
Thanks to Blogger Bob
Any person may bring action?
All Lazaryan is doing is by LAW
13D.06 CIVIL FINES; FORFEITURE OF OFFICE; OTHER REMEDIES.
Subdivision 1. Personal liability for $300 fine. Any person who intentionally violates this
chapter shall be subject to personal liability in the form of a civil penalty in an amount not to
exceed $300 for a single occurrence, which may not be paid by the public body.
Subd. 2. Who may bring action; where. An action to enforce the penalty in subdivision 1
may be brought by any person in any court of competent jurisdiction where the administrative
office of the governing body is located.
Subd. 3. Forfeit office if three violations. (a) If a person has been found to have intentionally
violated this chapter in three or more actions brought under this chapter involving the same
governing body, such person shall forfeit any further right to serve on such governing body
Sharon- slow down, drink your elixir and breath.
How was the Open Meeting Law violated? We all saw Nancy and at least two other members of the public there on her video tape.
It was an OPEN MEETING!!!!!!!!!!
What this town needs is more squirrels. Lots of nuts around here.
Eric
eric,
You need the law. Before you speak. You have right to speak at
Public hearing. Look it happend after 5:30 P.M.. That is the time
the public hearing started.
It happend after 7:00 P.M..
Lantry asked is there anyone or person that wants to speak. For or against it.
Then nancy was talking. Then Lantry said are you own of the peoperty? If not you need to stop.
stop stop.
Check out thelaw eric.
Really????
Where does it say the public has a right to speak at every open meeting?
Not only did I read the law but I have on several occasion going back to college had the attorney general give input on the parameters of the open meeting law.
Open Meeting does not mean free for all. It means the public business must be conducted in public. That's what you saw. There is no mandatory law that states the public can speak during these meetings. None at all for several reasons. The city sets the rules around who gets to speak and when and for how long. Lantry is the Chair of those council meetings and interpretation of Rules falls with the Chair.
Try again, to state your case for an Open Meeting violation without insulting me.
Nancy has decided that open meeting means she gets to talk about whatever whenever and she does not have a right to that. No law on the books dictate that.
Eric
It appears that Kathy Lantry's life is structurally deficient. It's time to declare her vacant, and bring out the wrecking crew.
I find it odd that the City Council will let every neighbor come and testify about the disposition of properties, but when someone else wants to come and sing the other side of the record, then they shut them up. Unequal application of the law, violation of free speech, and discrimination too.....I don't think Lantry would talk to a man that way. I'm with Nancy on this one.
I thought Kathy Lantry was going to charge Nancy L with the gavel and beat some sense into her.
Sid, it is a real low blow to insinuate Eric cheats on his wife. IF, I had seen this post before Eric responded to it I would have deleted it.
I told a story here some months ago about a Stillwater guard who had "committed suicide" over some malicious crap said to his wife about him supposedly cheating on her. She kicked him out of the house and served him with divorce papers and he KILLED himself! The real kicker is,,, he didn't cheat on her. It was a LIE! A lie told by fellow guards just because they didn't like this guy. His wife had to find out the truth here...
DO NOT PLAY MALICIOUS CHILDISH GAMES IN OUR TOWN HALL!
I feel like taking you out to the BACKYARD!
Relax Bob.Eric takes you out to the backyard everyday for a woopen.Erics a big boy,he doesn't need you watching out for him.Relax Sam-Eric has said a lot of hurtful things.Call the game both ways!
Sid
Nancy in a humble, educational way is exposing not only the heinous criminal violations of the Open Meetin Laws "but for" the St. Paul City Council, Salarys, Pensioned Parasites ie: Bob Kessler who makes over $107,000 plus his City Pension, Dan Bostrom city council, double-dipping pension as City Cop, then using the Gum Chewing Cop to Intimidate, hassell Nancy in the elevator,
Nancy stated: 1st Amend, Open Meeting law, the cop does not know the Law.........
FURTHER NOTICE:
Lantry has ruled on the consent Agenda to give Steve Magner Salary Increases, when Magner aparantly does NOT have a College Degree to qualify for his position,
Sharon is not off topix when State Employee's get a 70 % Salary increase and or over $100 thou,
http://www.twincities.com/politics/ci_9927083
BlobbysBloggers must now use the BuzzNet (new) /s/ Sharon Anderson ECF_P165913 sa1299
In order to have Electronic Case Filings and Pacer Account, U have to be of good moral character The RICO Lawyers Have such accounts
I have onle one thing to say.
Nancy stands up for her rights and she know the law.
Eric said, "You blow your boyfriend with that potty mouth of yours?"
Is that same mouth you eat out of?
You are really putting the best face forward for the St. Paul DFL.
We are so proud of you.
We all have been called names here, but it takes a bigger MAN to ignore inappropriate comments.
Sid, I have discussed this name calling issue with Eric in private emails. Eric has stated he is a man and can deal with the sarcasm and name calling. He has requested I do not delete the NON-PRODUCTIVE back and forth dialogs of cut downs between him and other posters.
Your statement was beyond name calling and was getting "very personal".
I know Eric. He is like a "Rattle Snake" with a very threatening disposition and the poison to back it up. I've had my run ins's with him.:-)
The blog would be a bore if I didn't let folks be themselves and go off topic from time to time and get a little personal.However, there is a line in the sand.
I'm not sure, but, I think most folks come here to see a fight. I often ponder the dynamics of the blog.
My advice to everyone is, IF you don't like what someone has to say maintain your composure "if that is at all possible" and keep the topic going. Some folks will defend their beliefs at all cost even if it means picking a fight to shut the dialog down.
If anyone here is offended by a comment, email me your complaints.
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It's all over for Lantry. Just like her hero Adolph, she is hunkered down in her bunker.
However, expect to read a lot of brown nosing from her legions of faithful followers (all two of them).
I will be waiting to see if Nancy really follows through with this, or is it just a farse ?
I have my ways of finding out.
city employee
I feel so embarrassed for Kathy. After watching her for years think she is above everyone on the end of her nose and then to see the way she was so incapable of handling such a minor thing as what Nancy L was presenting realy opens my eyes to what Kathy Lantry really is.
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The landlords should call the people with butterfly nets and straght jackets to take Lantry away to a place where life is beautiful all day long.
This whole mess looks like the perfectionistic work of someone with emotional disturbance - pity so much damage was done.
They should have signs at the city limits when you are entering that say "Welcome to Lantry Land."
They are coming for Lantry now!
They're Coming to Take Me Away, Ha-haaa!
Remember when you ran away
And I got on my knees
And begged you not to leave
Because I'd go berserk?
Well. . .
You left me anyhow
And then the days got worse and worse
And now you see I've gone
Completely out of my mind
And. . .
They're coming to take me away, HA HA
They're coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see
Those nice, young men
In their clean, white coats
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!
You thought it was a joke
And so you laughed
You laughed when I had said
That losing you would make me flip my lid
Right. . .
You know you laughed, I heard you laugh
You laughed, you laughed and laughed
And then you left
But now you know I'm utterly mad!
And. . .
They're coming to take me away, HA HA
They're coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the happy home
With trees and flowers and chirping birds
And basket weavers who sit and smile
And twiddle their thumbs and toes
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!
I cooked your food
I cleaned your house
And this is how you pay me back
For all my kind, unselfish loving deeds?!!
Hah. . .
Well you just wait
They'll find you yet
And when they do they'll
Put you in the ASPCA, you mangy mutt!
And. . .
They're coming to take me away, HA HA
They're coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see
Those nice, young men
In their clean, white coats
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!
To the happy home
With trees and flowers and chirping birds
And basket weavers who sit and smile
And twiddle their thumbs and toes
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see
Those nice, young men
In their clean, white coats
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!
You all need to read todaysunday paper local sec..
And see what lantry said about
Power being shute off.
Other major cities donot worry about this stuff.
I feel that excel and St.Paul have broken the law Personal data Laws.
I am going to contract a lawyer abouth it today.
Oops, I didn't credit the 'funny farm'. It was by Napoleon XIV, and went to #3 on the charts in 1966 http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=675.
To find sites from your local paper in the search type in David Orrick http://www.twincities.com/circare/html/sca_template.jsp?runSearch=true&query=dave+orrick&view=entiresitesppublished&searchButton.x=20&searchButton.y=9
1. St. Paul / Power shutoffs increase fourfold (55%)
07/19/2008 - The number of homes in St. Paul without power for a month has nearly quadrupled this year over last year at this time. The situation is likely more fallout from the housing crisis and crummy similar results
By Dave Orrick dorrick@pioneerpress.com
Lantry, who presides over such council proceedings, said later it may have seemed obvious that Gear's home should not have been caught up in a bureaucratic machine designed to avoid unsafe or unsanitary housing, but the city must enforce its rules.
KATHY LANTY QUOTE
"We don't have the luxury of saying, 'This person's a reasonable person,' " Lantry said. "We can't show favoritism and subjectivity. This system is the only way the city can protect its residents and its property."
Lantry and the rest of the city council are just puppets, who is pulling the strings?
Bob,
As I've asked before, let those ignorant statements stand. It helps analyze the real mindset behind these groups and what their real issue is.
My wife has been around politics and me since college, unfounded spurilous attacks by haters is not unfamiliar. She is a very attractive, intelligent, professional who is also a great mom. You're not gonna find that out in the bars and let's face it, I'm not the best catch in town so, you're not going to find me out jeopardizing my situation. I'm not Norm Coleman.
Sid's statement is more proof that they don't know me or much about who I am and what I'm about.
I don't come here to try to change minds, 99% of you aren't interested in that.
On here, you (majority of posters) are only interested in those who agree with your conspiracy and add to your misery index. A bunch of sad-sack sycophants.
I come here to dismantle the misinformation and if some find some entertainment in that- good for you.
Nobody I know (probably including Bob) can take any accusations from the comment section on here seriously. Nobody. Most people read who disagree with the premise set here, don't comment. They email me and as why do Chuck and I bother.
My answer is always the same, 'why not'?
Eric
9:58 chided:
"You are really putting the best face forward for the St. Paul DFL.
We are so proud of you.
We all have been called names here, but it takes a bigger MAN to ignore inappropriate comments."
You don't seem proud. Maybe you should smile when you type.
When I sign 'DFL' at the bottom of my post- then you may have point. I'm not the Chair or the spokesperson of the party.
Maybe you should be more concerned about winning elections instead putting the 'best face' forward. Who the heck wants to loose with their best face? Focusing on your 'best face' puts you on the back bench complaining about government policies because your party is in the minority and can't facilitate our agenda.
If you are really a DFLer, you'd know that my comments are out-numbered 12 to 1 on here and that's when Chuck is around.
Instead of piping up at one of your own, open your pie-hole and say something about those who write in opposition of your values.
You don't like it? We have our elections next month, show up and keep me from winning.
Eric
Eric said-
I don't come here to try to change minds, 99% of you aren't interested in that.
* you must be thinking about E Democracy Eric. :)
I come here for entertainment.
As to whether this stuff is true or not I dunno.
9:46a
Maybe, but I do know that the moderators of e-democracy have meetings and recruiting efforts to bring in diverse voices and different viewpoints.
Some people on here have a problem with e-democracy because of the following:
1. You can't remain anonymous and participate.
2. Bullshit will be met with facts.
3. Merciless killing of the english language will be noted and called out.
4. You are shocked that in a town where over 75% of the citizens vote democrat, a discussion group like e-democracy would lean to the left on topics.
5. Rules are enforced across the board. Even I have been sanctioned a few times.
Eric
I will be checking to see that nancy follows through with her threats to sue the city council.
Anybody for seconds or thirds that she doesn't ?
City employee
Oh, I almost failed to mention that the St.Paul Paper published the names of all those running for re-election, including the district court judges.
Didn't see Nancys name in there.
Nancy said she was running for judge, she wont follow through with this either.
city employee
eric,
I have vote for the dfl party all my life and my famliy is the same way. For some 60 years. But we
that the dfl party has change.
And putting the poor out the houses and other things.
maybe time for change of tings.
The city council keep throwing people out of their homes. Maybe its time time we throw them out office. It time for recall.
Yes I said the word RECALL.
We only 8% of the people vote for last mayor election. That is about
1000 people to sign a petiton. For A recall.
Oh boy, this is just to funny not to respond to Eric!
Eric said;
9:46a
Maybe, but I do know that the moderators of e-democracy have meetings and recruiting efforts to bring in diverse voices and different viewpoints.
my response;
They have the meetings Eric and they talk about bringing in diversity and different view points, however, it's all smoking mirrors. When diversity and different view points arrive the majority at E Democracy do all they can to SHUT IT UP, and the moderators play favoritism to the leftest members in majority!
The "favored" posters here are the ones in the minority! You, Chuck, Amanda and anyone else who will disagree with the majority.
Eric said;
Some people on here have a problem with e-democracy because of the following:
1. You can't remain anonymous and participate.
my response;
You got that right. E Democracy will NEVER EVER be a hard line forum for addressing REAL issues because the hard hitting issues come from whistle blowers who fear retaliation from others.
Example, I received the true story of the Stillwater guard who committed suicide from correction officers who would have surely had difficulties on the job if they had used their names. The main stream media wasn't reporting the facts of this story. There is many examples at this forum where anonymity has played a valuable role. I wouldn't think of taking that away from posters.
Eric said;
2. Bullshit will be met with facts.
my response;
Eric, you know as well as the rest of us regulars here, that Saint Paul Issues and Forums is a indoctrination pool of the DFL party.
The formidable presences at the forum there is entrenched beaucrats, city hall groupies, egg heads. They would defend a declaration of "Fart Day" if the Mayor or city council declared one.
Here at A Democracy BULLSHIT is met with facts also. What do you consider your statements to opposition here Eric? :-)
Eric said;
3. Merciless killing of the english language will be noted and called out.
my response;
Another reason Saint Paul Issues and Forums will never be inclusive of all people. They maliciously humiliate folks who where less fortunate in not receiving a higher education.
Ya know, many folks aren't college educated. They completed high school in most cases at some pathetic liberal public school and never received a quality education.
It really gets under my skin when someone picks on another posters ability to communicate. I have known folks in my life time who had very high IQ's and could not read or write.
We have one regular poster here who is very intelligent and it shows speaking to this individual in person, then they post here and if you know this person you would think someone other than this person was using the name.
We also have another regular poster here who has very poor spelling. We all know he is very intelligent and we respect him even though most of us disagree with him. :-)
Eric said;
4. You are shocked that in a town where over 75% of the citizens vote democrat, a discussion group like e-democracy would lean to the left on topics.
my response;
I can't speak for others here, but personally I am not shocked at all by this. I am shocked they do all they can to shut up anyone who would dare to speak out against city hall.
Eric said;
5. Rules are enforced across the board. Even I have been sanctioned a few times.
my response;
I disagree Eric. I also think Mitch Berg, Tom Swift, Martin Owings, Renee Jensen, and many others would agree with me.
We have proven Saint Paul Issues and Forums is entrenched with socialist DFLers who will attempt to censor opposing view points at all cost. We have also proven Saint Paul Issues and Forums is a hot bed for real COMMUNIST, how bout that!
Eric, you and Chuck know we have it going on here. Entertaining, informative. A Democracy isn't perfect, but then neither am I or any of you who participate or read here.
"Come as you are"
to the
A Democracy Town Hall Meeting
"We Are On A Truth Seeking Mission"
God Bless all who participate and read here!
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the city emolyee is steve m.
I don't believe the city employee is Steve Magner.
Smells like a landlord.
Bob says, The "favored" posters here are the ones in the minority! You, Chuck, Amanda and anyone else who will disagree with the majority.
I say, you can add froggy to this list, the bigoted asshole. I don't have a clue why you let him post Bob.
Where has out town hall drunk been Bob. I kinda miss him. Did you get rid of him?
Wow, this one sure went fast.
Since the council switched to part time it has made several changes to improve time management. One change they made in 1999, was to limit discussion in the public hearings to interested parties and running a time clock of 15 minutes for the discussion.
It is no different than any other government body. There is no legal requirements for "open mic night" or opening up the floor to any and all speakers.
Just no law out there to do that.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Bob,
You really got it in for E-Democracy. I'll let Tim or Rick handle that, its not my fight. We seem to have a big disagreement on rather the outcomes at e-democracy are contrived or not.
You're getting good at the political buzz words. Let's see you squeezed in 'socialist', 'communist', 'indoctrination', 'DFL', 'city hall groupies', 'egg heads', 'liberal', and 'censorship' all in one post. Only thing missing was baby killers.
Like I said, in a town where over 75% of the people vote straight Democrat, you express shock that most topics would lean to the left. While Tom and Mitch are gone, they have been replaced with a new group of conservatives, from your neighborhood for the most part.
Circle of life.
Eric
So Nancy, they would let you file for judge? You want to tell us why not and why you waited until the last day? Is it so that you can cause more drama where its not needed? (wait until the last minute, then when you forget to follow through and your app. is rejected, sue the state).
You are the ultimate drama queen.
So, now we know the city, state and county have all denied you some aspect of your rights as a citizen in just the last three months for three of four different reasons.
Who would take this case and not care about their reputation or getting slapped for bringing forth a frivolous suit?
Who?
Lionel Hutz Attorney at Law
He once sued the movie The Never Ending Story for false Advertisement.
Eric
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Eric won't believe your video when he does see it Nancy. You see, he's one of these DFL dummies that has the ability to disbelieve what he sees with his own eyes. He'll say it's something else! Wanna bet?
You also pay money to the city throught the County and the property tax system, but I suppose that doesn't even count. they think they have that coming like it already belongs to them instead of you.
St. Paul seems to be very good at the "disparity game." I wonder if they even know what the word means and when it applies to them?
2:25
Problem is that Nancy's videos always work against her. She's suing on the Open Meeting Law and videos the meeting was open. She posts that others were allowed to speak and she was shut down.
Sounds to me like the mix-up is in the rules of the meeting, not the law that governs the meeting. See walking back through the rules is not a cause for any legal action and would not give Nancy the attention she so desperately seeks.
She blows her own claim up step by step and I'm the dummy? She's your legal hero and can't even file for office like a normal person (or idiot in some cases).
Even Bill Dahn who has threatened every politician, and Sharon Anderson who- well you know,- knows how to file in St Paul. Yet Nancy, poor, poor, Nancy is not "allowed". Hell, every year we have a dozen nut-cases on the ballot.
Nancy is full of it.
Eric
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Nancy,
This is important - good luck!
I rarely to read Chuck and Eric's posts because they are predictable, like a broken record. The facts and truth are what is important. The city Council is running scared, but they will certainly get input from the City Attorney to try to weasel out of this.
"Eric, you say the City did not break the open meeting law because the City can break its own rules concerning public hearings, at the whim of Lantry. Yeah, right."
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Nancy, the thing about the law is that its written down. I have presented the Open Meeting Law here and you have yet to point out what part was violated. Tell us. Never mind, because now you're saying that the council broke its on rules concerning public hearings.
Public Hearings are still regulated under Ordinance and what you were at was not a public hearing. I have chaired various public hearings and they center around a specific issue.
What you were at seemed to be a open forum tag on the councils' agenda. You got into a pissing match with the chair, she called for a recess- not an end (so she didn't the agenda which the chair has the option of doing with the council support) and there was NO objection and you darted off.
The law was followed. Rules, as far as you know, were followed. The meeting didn't end, it recessed.
Why didn't you talk with her and then come back to the council meeting after it re-convened? A smart person would have gotten something then gone back on camera to repeat it so that it would be in the records. Not you! You wanted to be escorted out and make a big scene.
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"Okay, how about the City did not follow the MN statutes concerning public hearings during their open meeting? Oh crap, the City has to obey state law."
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Uh, huh. What statute addresses 'public hearings' in 'open meetings'? This is where you make stuff up. Its doesn't take the City Attorney to see this. Can ANYBODY including Nancy show where this statute is? ANYBODY?
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"Like I said about my attempting to get on the ballot, you will see the video."
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That's strange. What did YOU do? Why didn't you ask Sharon or Bill how to do it? Sharon gets on the ballot for something every year. Bill has gotten on the ballot for Senator and Governor.
Eighteen people are on the ballot for Coleman's Senate seat. These people come from all and no parties.
Eight are running for the open judicial seat in Ramsey County (Dist 21), Four challengers for the Court of Appeals, Five for the state Supreme Court and a host of them for the District courts.
Are these people so much smarter than you? I know some of these people and they are thorns in the side of the court and decided to run so, being annoying is not a detraction. All parties and no party so no party muscle making the decision. You had two months but, waited to go at the last minute and with a video camera to boot. Were you expecting trouble?
Bill and Sharon,
Why haven't you helped Nancy learn to file for office without causing fanfare?
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Have a nice day Eric, I am certain that with your good looks your wife does not mind the fact that you have jello between the ears.
What flavor is that, anyway?
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Hot chocolate baby, hot chocolate.
You'll always have those who know even less than you but your following in waining. Do you live in the county at all?
Eric
I meant "is waining".
Let me know when Lantry is going eat your lunch. I want to see that in person.
Eric
Lantry's career is all over Eric. Ricomen will see to that in short order when the trial starts.
Alright Bob, I recall you writing months ago that we would all be tuning in to a trial for the RICOMEN ?
Whats up, did they all crawl under a rock ?
We await to see if this prophecy will happen before the second comig of Jesus Christ !!!!!!!
I think packing my bags to go with Jesus seems more realisyic.
HA HA !!!!!
City employee
To city employee,
ricomen are like a snake in the grass....just waiting for the right time to strike.
They gonna take your pension too dude!
City Emp.
You should spent less time being manic and more time caring about people. Or do you think that secure city job makes you better than other people?
erci,
You just do not get it. It happend after 5:30 P.M.. That is when the public hearing started. Look at they agend. You are just try to side with city. Public hearing
was stated by Lantry at the being of the hearing. Watch the video.
Get a f---- Life.
johnny Howard hire three lawyers today to suit the city and He has told has past teants to suit the city for cause them to lose their sed 08. More lawsuits ctiy employee. You need toget money and run
Working for the city makes me better than anyone not working for the city.
I am on the side thats winning.
Name me one small RICOMAN or small woman, winning the fight against the city ?
Somebody name a moment in the RICO case where the city has lost anything that amounts to a win for the RICO pups !
city employee
Dear City Employee,
As a fellow "City Employee" I see the abuse.
Bob keeps posting the new stories all the time about the abuse, but the same old government controlling stuff still keeps happening by our elected officials.
Last fall, Thune got reelected and so did Lantry. I know a guy named Michael Gay who worked very hard to defeat Thune, but he should have had a better candidate to work for. Why do Thune and Lantry people keep getting elected? Well the answer is simple because no one cares to vote or get involved is saving St. Paul. I hear the big talk here and I agree with most of the comments, but you don’t do anything except write on this blog. Chuck Repke is laughing at you guys. This is Repke’s entertainment in the sad socialist life he lives.
How many times have individuals here called the city on Thune? How many times have pictures of Thune's messy house have been posted here and on other blogs and the city keeps covering for Thune? Pull up the public record on Thune and you will see how he has been treated differently. Many complaints have been made against Thune and DSI and Fire and they cover for Thune. These complaints are considered a joke down at DSI and Fire. Some even say, "Hay Thune got another one, who wants it." A supervisor in Fire like Steve Z. will handle it and it just goes away. Allowances are given to Thune that you or I would get nailed for.
Bob has tried to light the fire of change and so have others here, but trying to get more individuals involved is really difficult. People are very busy just trying to keep their head above water, paying St. Paul's high property taxes that folks like Lantry and Thune feel is "their" money. People like Thune, Repke and Lantry and the rest of the Progressive DFL crowd keep getting their way because no one is willing to stand up to them.
Our US Constitution is clearly designed to hold government accountable to the people and to let the people rise up and take over government when the government oversteps their role. The Progressive DFL crowd in St. Paul feels that government knows best and they put restrictions under the pretext of public safety to exert total control over the citizens. Example: The city wanted to regulate bars and restaurants for their Green agenda, so Thune pushes the no smoking ban. Thune's argument is that these bars are public places where people gather and they should be smoke free. The free market needs to decide this, not be regulated by a city council member who smokes in his public city council office.
It should be the government working for the people instead of the situation that we have now where the people are slaves to the government.
The Progressive DFL crowd bans and restricts everything and then they state that it is just for our own safety, all the while taking away more of our rights and controlling us. Repke, Thune and Lantry are prime examples of this way of thinking, as they feel that this their right for government to control every aspect of your life for your own good. This is not what Thomas Jefferson and John Adams intended, but just the opposite.
So when you all are really serious about change, and want to stand up for your rights to hold government accountable like Franklin, Adams and Jefferson intended, please let us all know.
How many more rights are you going to give up to the Progressive DFL crowd in St. Paul? The city where nothing is allowed.
Remember St. Paul's new motto, "More to Life"
Lantry will be first and then the rest of the council. We will start with the mayors race next year and get one of own elected, maybe Jerry Trooien.
In a few years you can bank on us having more than enough money our accounts thanks to the rico suit, us owning the right property in town and, the politics being in our favor.
A different Ricoman.
Lantry's not going to make it to the next reelction. Her days of controling things are almost over. If Nancy L doesn't get her out of office, the ricomen surely will with what I've heard they have on her.
If you see the abuse, what are you waiting for, just try and tell someone and you will be an X fellow city employee. You know the deal right ?
You people should get Nancy to run against Thune.
Funny thing about electing judges to the court of appeals, you people think that when you vote for these judges your vote counts ?
I have information that says that Minnesota doesnt let citizens elect or re-elect judges.
Their names are put on the ballot and even though you think your voting for them, thew decision to keep certain judges is an inside job.
Just take a look at how long some of these judges keep getting re-elected.
These idiots don't even run a campain !
So, Nancy, how do you honestly think you would get elected ?
I am out of here !!
City employee
ricomen gonna take your pension.....maybe your dog too!
A couple of quick points...
Nancy, talk about jello in the ears... try to speak at legislature some time buy just showing up and wanting to rambel on and see how quick you find yourself in the hall way you ding bat. Any legislative body can make up its own policies for when and how much testimony it takes on any issue.
You have no interest in any of those properties and have no right to testify at the council about them.
And the last guy that ran against Thune ran on the issue that he was TO EASY on your landlord budies. Most people in Saint Paul think the City Council should get tougher on you guys not easier.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
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Chuck is say how the city council and other government officials runs their office.
Do as I say, NOT as I Do.
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Still waiting for you to sight the state statute on public hearings Nancy. You won't because there isn't one.
You've had to find out by now that you are intertangling Open Meeting and Public Hearing and hoping (like Afghanistan and Irag) that we don't notice.
I have noticed. You have also backed off of the charge of it being illegal and you are going to unseat the council. I have noticed that too.
Now you're saying they broke their own rules (different that statutes and ordinances) and trying to pursue that. However, I know you have read the rules and are aware that the Council President decides how long the testimony should be based on several factors. It was the council President who called for a recess.
So now you're banking on the ignorant to blindly get fired up behind you knowing they will never read the rules and react only on what they think is right.
You are becoming more and more political everyday. Its Animal Farm all over again.
Eric
To Eric
Have some patience will you? She is up at the Capitol getting the statute passed.
Animal Farm is an interesting allegory for this blog. So Eric which pig do you see Nancy as, Napoleon or Squealer?
Benjamin the donkey would be a good fit for you and Chuck...
And Bob... Mr. Whymper or Old Major?
Jonathan
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Actually Jonathan, the PIGS are sitting in city hall land grabbing, passing the buck of social ills and political responsibility onto innocent folks, and in their wake they are leaving the citizens with broken families and financial ruin.
This city is representative of everything ORWELL was against. And this blog is representative of everything ORWELL represented. FREE SPEECH.
This is one reason why I use ORWELLS image at this blog.
As far as Chuck or Eric being Benjamin. What a joke! The character Benjamin closely resembles Orwell's true personality. Nothing close to the kind of people Chuck and Eric are.
Heck, if there ever was a Benjimin that's me!
bob, I called Bob K today to talked to him about his inspectors.
And I state to him that you must give me c and o first, Then gave work order. He said to make that the city give out. Fire c and o.
And his people do not to license. And he said that he had no time to discuss or debate the issure. Bye les.
So, Now they change the rule again.
No Bob, you and your side of this doesn't support the average guy (the horses) who work for a living and just want a nice place to live and nobody to mess with them.
You guys support the wealthy investors who rape the poor and distroy the neighborhods that average working men and women live. It is your position that when the government stands up for the average hard working people in this town that they should be destroyed. You hate that they stand up to the fat cats that terorize the neighborhoods.
Everytime they are found to have left a trashed house in the neighborhood you jump with glee to defend their priviledge to destroy everyone elses home values.
Council people who stand up to them are enamies that need to be thrown out of office.
Doesn't sound like Benjamin to me.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
or maybe your city buddies just picked a fight with the wrong guys Repke!
Repke are you saying average hard working people don't rent?Are you saying property owners tear up their own property?
Why doesn't the city help these landlords evict easier and make it criminal for tenants to distroy their housing.Why doesn't section 8 kick people off the program that tear up housing?
Its not the landlords Repke.Work with them.It would have been a lot more successful and the city wouldn't be getting sued.
Tim Ciani
Chuck if you could sell the fertilizer that comes out of your mouth you would have no need of living off tax payer donations.
Chuck said;
No Bob, you and your side of this doesn't support the average guy (the horses) who work for a living and just want a nice place to live and nobody to mess with them.
My response;
So Chuck you claim the folks here with issues against the city aren't working class. That is a crock of shit. These folks have busted their ass to have a successful life and this city has done all it can to rob them of their fortunes.
Chuck said;
You guys support the wealthy investors who rape the poor and destroy the neighborhoods that average working men and women live. It is your position that when the government stands up for the average hard working people in this town that they should be destroyed. You hate that they stand up to the fat cats that terrorize the neighborhoods.
my response;
Wealthy investors Chuck? The majority of the citizens who have issues with the city and post here are not wealthy. They are working class folks with families. Fat cats you say? Must have forgotten about all the stories of little old ladies and men losing their homes to this city.
Chuck said;
Every time they are found to have left a trashed house in the neighborhood you jump with glee to defend their priviledge to destroy everyone elses home values.
my response;
Chuck you are dealing in fiction again. NEVER EVER has anyone at this blog advocated for sub standard housing. EVER!
Repke,
The city has been very sloppy about who it hits. When you say "You guys", you are pointing your finger at a number of people who have nothing to do with landlords and who have maintained their property.
Actually, I/we are complex to the point that we can read Animal Farm and not just identify with one animal character but choose what charistic we beleive we project in different situations.
I see part of myself as Benjamin but, there are times I'm Napoleon and other times I'm Old Major.
Bob really wants to be Benjamin so that's fine with me.
When I read this book in grade school we learned that Benjamin represented the citizens of the Soviet Union who had a been there and seen that attitude when it came to their world view. Today, I would say he could represent China. He was just as smart as the pigs (remember, he could read very well) and had the experience of being around for a long time, just biding time.
Later on, literary intellectuals agree that Benjamin may have been how Orwell viewed himself. Bob has been using Orwell's image for at least two years. So, Bob gets to be Benjamin.
The pigs?
RICOMEN.
Eric
Chuck opined: "Everytime they are found to have left a trashed house in the neighborhood you jump with glee to defend their priviledge to destroy everyone elses home values."
Who trashed the houses these fatcats are always leaving behind, Repke?
When I cruise through the Eastside of SP, or the Northside of Mpls I cannot help but come to the conclusion that the people that live there must "like" living in a trash heap.
Why else would they throw garbage everywhere? Why else, for the love of God, would a human being crap on the side walk? Why else would they destroy a nice apartment?
I used to live across the street from a low income complex on Case St., just East of Johnson Pkway. When I moved in, someone (the city?, a fatcat?) had just completed a complete renovation and it was really nice.
Each apartment had it's own garage, a balcony and there was a nice pool for the residents to enjoy.
All of the siding had been replaced, and the whole place smelled like fresh paint. Beautiful sod had been laid all around the property and the parking area had new asphalt.
During the two years (just two short years!) that I lived across from it, I watched as the tennents systematicly and completely destroyed the place.
Crash into garage doors; throw their fast food wrappers and bags everywhere; leave their dead car batteries, their dead cars, their broken furniture, everywhere; tear the brand new siding off the walls and even go so far as to destroy the sign on the front lawn.
Hell, I don't think the pool lasted one season before it was closed.
As far as I know, that complex is still up and running. And unless another fatcat stepped in and cleaned the place up, I'm sure it looks worse than Dave Thune's shack...I can't imagine what the insides of the buildings look like.
Some of the people that post here sound like lunatics, but when you have watched the actions of the "people" they have to deal with it becomes much easier to understand what drove them crazy.
Personally, I think that anyone who jumps through the hoops that St. Paul's leftist government puts up in order to provide houses for the circus animals that make up much of the "low income community" needs some serious psycoanaylisis.
Eric said-
When I read this book in grade school (snip)
*Eric, Orwell's writings are examined after all these years at Harvard, Yale and many other instituitons of higher learning.
Orwell fan.
Swiftee's post is an example of why St. Paul cannot break out of the cycle of decay and crime. The city knows full well just as Swiftee does who's responsible for these houses looking like crap. Rather than have the political courage to do something meaningful about it, government leaders find scapegoats so they can live in euthopia with their never ending state of denial.
Good post Swiftee. Nice to see you back here.
You hit the nail on the head Swiftee.
Many tenants destroy rental property. They kick holes in the walls, throw trash every where, tear the window screens out, disconnect the smoke detectors, punch holes in doors,destroy the peace of a neighborhood with drug dealing traffic and loud noise and who does the city make responsible for it, the landlord.
If a patron of a bar commits a crime or violates a city ordinance the owners of the bar are held responsible.
How bout we try a new policy. Have the police do their job and handout citations, arrest and convict criminals for bad behavior and LEAVE INNOCENT FOLKS ALONE you morons.
These egg heads in city hall don't know anything about "individual responsibility".
Businesses ripe for political attacks are gun shops, bars, head shops, corner grocery stores, and as we seen lately they even tried to demonize a harmless business like "Anytime Fitness" all in the name of getting citizens to buy into their way of thinking so they can hold onto power. They want citizens to believe they are hero's on a mission to clean up the city and they are nothing but a bunch of low life losers destroying any trust the common man has in our local government.
I have to hand it to them. They sell the "pass the buck game" very well to ignorant voters.
They're going to create generations of people who'll never trust anything about government. All of these people have kids who are watching this situation unfold. They all have family members and relatives who are watching in horror and telling others. What a legacy to leave behind.
Bob,
Have you tried to buy rental property in the burbs? The hoops you jump through and the power over the landlord is sweeping. Most of the burbs control rental licenses and have to power to revoke them over some of these problems that you all claim are not the fault of the landlord.
If you think St Paul is tough, try one of the surrounding burbs or other cities like Winona or Rochester. You wouldn't get a foot in the door.
Agreeing with Swift gives credit to this gem of a line:
"...the circus animals that make up much of the 'low income community'..."
If you agree with that then you too sir are hypocrite for putting Sid and Froggy in their place. I now know you better than that and probably let that part go. But, see how easy it is when some one hits an emotional button to latch on without taking time for a full review.
It's the Sean Hannity Syndrome.
Some people make good cops and others should not have advanced passed night watchman at the Har Mar Mall. Some people don't have the skills to be landlords.
2:03
I read it in 6th or 7th grade. However, I do believe that I wrote more on what I learned later on. Grade school student do not study the thoughts and writings of literary intellectuals. So, maybe I didn't spell it out but I was referring to post secondary.
Anxious to hear what you think of the book and the characters.
Eric
There has been some interesting developements concerning this topic.
I will post a new story on this subject later today.
Eric said;
Agreeing with Swift gives credit to this gem of a line:
"... the circus animals that make up much of the 'low income community'..."
my response;
Eric, you are a sharp guy, you know I was not speaking of this statement made by Swiftee. I was referring to holding folks individually responsible for their behavior. Punishing an innocent person (landlord, business owner) for someone else's mistakes does not resolve an issue.
Swiftee, the percentage of low income folks who never get into trouble far surpasses the numbers who have behavioral issues. There is evidence low income folks who have never had behavioral issues were made to suffer for their friends or family members who have behavioral issues, innocent people have lost their housing and been condemned to the street for mistakes a family member has made.
If bar owners are responsible for their patrons and landlords are responsible for their tenants,shouldn't the city of St.Paul be responsible for all their bad actors they allow to live in their city to tear it up.If St.Paul was a private business they would be shut down.
Why when we have more crime in one area of town don't we order the city to hire more cops to walk the beat like this owner of the bar has to.We should also require the city to put up video cameras on streets with high crime.
Aren't the citizens causing the crime and problems in the city of St.Paul, their residents?Aren't these the people the city lures here with their social agenda?Aren't these citizens that cause the problems in the city,St.Pauls responsibility?As bar owners and landlords are responsible the city should also.If these citizens are a problem breaking the law put them in JAIL!
Tim Ciani
"... the circus animals that make up much of the 'low income community'..."
I didn't say all, because that's not the case. I grew up as part of the "low income community"...but I never trashed our house or the neighborhood. Our family was never evicted because my mom was selling dope or using the rent to buy it.
The people that are making a "pit stop" in poverty are too busy digging themselves out to trash their neighborhoods.
I know what living in the public subsidy circus is like 'cause I lived in it; and I know what kind of circus animals lived in the tent with me, and I know why they never left....that's why I'm conservative today.
Looks like Swiftee "took it to ya" Eric!
OH and by the way, ask any low income landlord if he rents to people or animals Eric. You proclaim to know so much about how the city and it citizens feel about the problems in the neighborhood Eric, ask some of these neighbors if the bad tenants disputing the neighborhood are people or animals. Check back soon, I'd like to know what you heard.
Thank you for the clarification Swiftee.
Good point Tim.The people causing the trouble are St.Pauls finest.If they are breaking the law and St.Paul allows it to continue then they are who has failed.Not the landlord or the bar owner.Your business whether housing and or bar owner is as good as your neighborhood and surroundings.And if these circus animals are able to roam the streets then its a St.Paul city politician problem.
Jim
No place for the poor no more in "Lantryville."
No room at the inn!
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