Michael's Bar 1179 E. 7th. St. "Is there a different set of standards for someone who is affiliated with the city"? You decide!
It appears a city code inspector gets a wink and a nod from the district council and city council. His building is registered as a cat1 registered vacant when clearly it should be listed as a cat3 registered vacant.
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posted by Bob at Saturday, July 05, 2008
193 Comments:
Hi All,
I am told the owner of this closed bar is Mike Kalis of the City of Saint Paul building code enforcement.
Mike seems to be getting special treatment not afforded to the common citizens of this city. The Dayton's Bluff District council and the city council is doing Mike a BIG favor allowing him to reopen this bar without a full code compliance and without a public hearing.
I went to the east side to see the old bar. The place looks great from a distance. When taking a closer look, on the east side of the building it is very clear there is some structural issues.
I will be posting photos this week of this building.
There maybe copy errors.
RESOLUTION
CITY OF SAINT PAUL, MI.NNESOTA
Presented
WHEREAS, the Dayton's Bluff District Four Community Council, has agreed to the waiver of the
notice requirements; and
WHEREAS, the Council finds that the application is in order and there are no grounds for denial of
the license and that the failure to grant the waiver and the consequent delay in approving the license would
cause exceptional and unusual hardship to the license applicant; and
RESOLVED, that the 45 day notice requirements of § 409.06 of the Saint Paul Legislative Code
are hereby waived and on-sale liquor (100 seats or less) and Sunday on-sale liquor licenses are issued to
H & K of Saint Paul, Inc. d/b/a Moonshine Saloon, located at 1179 East 7th Street in Saint Paul, subject to
the agreement stated above.
WHEREAS, the licensee agrees that in the event a complaint is received prior to the expiration of
the 45-day period and the complaint provides a basis for adverse action against the license, that the Office
of License, Inspections, and Environmental Protection may direct the licensee to immediately discontinue
all operations until a public hearing is scheduled, and that the licensee shall comply with said directive;
now, therefore, be it,
1 WHEREAS, H & K of Saint Paul, Inc. d/b/a Moonshine Saloon, located at 1179 East 7th Street in
2 Saint Paul, has requested a waiver of the 45-day notice requirement for issuance of on-sale liquor (100
3 seats or less) and Sunday on-sale liquor licenses; and
Reid Soley - DBCC - 1179 East 7th Street
From: "Karin DuPaul"
To: "'Reid Soley'"
Date: 6/19/2008 1:29 PM
Subject: DBCC - 1179 East 7th Street
At our June 9, 2008 board of directors meeting our board passed a resolution in support of waving the 45 day
waiting period for 1179 East 7th Street, the Moonshine Saloon. Our board heard some of the concerns of
neighbors, but felt Mr. Kalis will do a good job of managing the saloon as he did when it was Michael's. This
historic building has been a bar for most of its 120 years.
Thanks,
Karin DuPaul
Community Organizer
Dayton's Bluff District 4 Community Council
798 East 7th Street
Saint Paul, MN 55106
(651) 772-2075
(651) 774-3510 (fax)
"St. Paul looks up to Dayton's Bluff'
From the vacant building list.
1179 7TH ST E Mar 4, 2008 6 Single
Family Residential District 4 Category 1
Folks, you can see this building is listed as a single family dwelling. Category 1. What a crock of shit. This is a very large commercial building.
And these folks within city government wonder why so many citizens have such a LOW opinion of them.
This place is a dump that's ready to fall down. The roof leaks into the 2nd floor of this building so bad they need buckets to catch the water.
Typical favoritism if you're connected. Let a normal citizen (peasant) have a vacant bulding and not do a code compliance on it.
Another case of the city's friends benefitting from the sleaze in Tammany Hall.
Do you people read anything?
Look at the code compliance list Bob posted. It appears everything under the sun has been already repaired on this building. I am assuming this is why Mr. Kalis doesn't need another inspection.
I only live a few blocks away from this place Bob. I'll be stopping by there today with my digital camera. I hope your not pulling our leg on this.
Do you read anything Amanda? First of all, what Bob is reporting on is not a code compliance, but rather a print out of the history of the building......which by the way shows no code compliance ever. What it does show is the occupancy inspection and that was way back in 2005. This is the middle of 2008 Amanda. Where the hell is your head at? I think it's your reading that needs a tune up. Take a remedial class somewhere honey.
Who ward is this in??
How much money giving for re-elect
that person?
City AgendaWed9July08
Thanks to A-Dem for Posting
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no.16. Resolution - 08-727 - Waiving the 45-day notification requirement and granting, with conditions, on-sale liquor (100 seats or less) and Sunday on-sale liquor licenses to H & K of Saint Paul, Inc., d/b/a Moonshine Saloon, 1179 East Seventh Street. (GS 3056138)
GS3056138-Resolution
http://stpaul.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=37&event_id=40&meta_id=42988
GS3056138-CmtySupport
http://stpaul.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=37&event_id=40&meta_id=42990
http://www.landlordpolitics.com/ricotrial.html
Thanks to ADem, exposing Mike Kalis
bizzare conflicts of interests as owner of property,exploiting the public as DSI Code Enforcement without Tickets,Warrants,Due Process etc.
1:31, you linked old news.
Since, the slumlords have lost most of their case in court. There will be no sanctions
"Since, the slumlords have lost most of their case in court. There will be no sanctions"
When this mess gets to the 8th Circuit Appeals Court (and it surley will) the "Sanctions" part of this will be just the start.
When Kalis owned Michaels Bar it was well run. Good food and drinks at a fair price.
It declined when he sold it to RT Moore and then RT sold it to some partership. If Kalis runs it the way he did, I might return as a customer.
I am happy to see this change. However, I share your concerns for what clearly appears a double standard of enforcement. I just think the entire idea of vacant building == code compliance is wrong, so I cannot fault Kalis.
Bill Cullen.
Maybe you can't fault him Bill, but a lot of the rest of us can. When Kalis had this bar, there were so many code violations on the outside of it that it should have been condemned. There were also many many Police calls to his establishment. Clearly a double standard because he was never shut down like the people his department shuts down every single day for a lot less.
Who's side you on Bill?
Now he comes along and wants to open up again because he would have the same "hardship" his department has thrust upon hundreds if not thousands of others with the same or worse hardship. And not only that, his crooked department reccomends to the crooked city council that he be allowed to bypass the 45 day notice for public input concerning the amtter and has a letter from Daytons Bluff......the same people that crucify landlords day in and day out for lesser violations.
And then we get to the subject of the property being branded a "residential" rather than commercial, a "Category 1" compared to many other palces that are a "Category 2" and in much better shape than this is.
Did I mention that I don't see the "Blue Placard" anywhere on the building? Could that be because having that placard would lower the price and cause him the same hardship as others face?
Wake up Bill.....what this guy did before has nothing to do woth what's going on now. He owned a slum before and now he wants to open it up again.......what's the name going to be, "Slum Town?"
Your buddy Repke should tear this shack down and develop it with one of his condo towers.
The second set of photos you posted really tells the story Bob. Thanks for the good reporting.
Doesn't it just figure? They always take care of their own.
Well Amanda......where's your big mouth now? It doesn't look like everything has been fixed to me. The condition of this baby makes me wonder if Thune is partner in this venture.
This is St.Paul
So does everyone tied with the city council
get away with "murder"?
Maybe not but it seems like they get away with covering each others butts, this seems like a "BIG" job when they try to cover Thune's "BIG" butt.
Look at the car that Thune had exposed in his yard for years.
Hey Thune did any buddy mention the wood work on your house lately.
Thune and the other city council people are using code inspectors to over stress people to the point that they have a heart attack, or have a nervous breakdown.
We hire these people to scare the poor and middle class people out of their wits, this upcoming election will bring out the trash that the Democrat Party rules this town.
The car Thune "had" exposed in his yard? Hell.....it's still thre and will be till he dies! It was there today. I live across the park from him.
Looks like that siding has been a tasty little treat for the rodents.
Isn't this an example of what the ricomen have been saying for years now? In St. Paul, everyone gets treated differently depending on who you are and who you know. And now someone is taking them to the matt for it. About time!
Bob, what was waved was the 45 days notice on the transference of a liquor license. This is not unusual. Nobody is waving any health requirement for the building.
What was waved was a requirement that the community be notified at least 45 days in advance of the transference of a liquor license. This city license requirement exists to allow neighbors time to meet with a potential new owner and find out information about the person. If they find out that there is something they don't like about the guy, like he ran a problem bar somewhere else, then they can oppose the license at the city council. That is what was waved.
Why would they ask to wave the 45 days? Because the place is empty and will have to sit there until it has a license. Why would the district council and the City wave the 45 days? Because the guy had a license before so they know who in the heck he is!
Do you remember Mangine's by Lake Phalen? Eight - ten years ago Dick Mangine sold the place, that guy went out of business Mangine got it back and the neighborhood I'm in waved the 45 days. Why? Because it would sit vacant for 2 months otherwise and we knew Mangine. When the Minnehaha Tavern was being sold to the Cherry's we waved the 45 days because they came and met with the district council before the place was sold.
Most bars that are open and are being sold operate under a management agreement during the time the license is being transfered, or every bar in Saint Paul that is ever sold would have to go out of business inbetween owners.
DUH!
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck, where on the building is the registered vacant building placard?
Why is it listed category 1?
WHY, is there no record with code enforcement of any of these serious structural issues?
Why is Kalis going to be allowed to open this building to the public when it is clearly a safety and health hazard?
I spoke with a neighbor who has been in the building. He tells me there is buckets on the second floor catching rain water. From the looks of some of these photos I have, there is SEVERE structural water damage and probably mold issues. Jeesh water has been pouring through those windows for years, look at the plywood covering some of the windows, it's ROTTEN and secured to the inside of the window frame instead of the outside. What is this suppose to do, act as a funnel to channel water into the building?
If this building gets anything less than a FULL code compliance many of us will be pissed. In fact I think the RICO guys should request the federal magistrate to have their own independent inspector go along with the city inspector to write this place up.
What's fair for ONE citizen is fair for the next. And we all know how this city has treated the private investor and home owner, "REAL BAD"!
This building should sit empty until it is brought up to current code for the safety of the citizens who patronize this establishment and the neighborhood.
IF, Kalis is allowed to open without a FULL code compliance, this city leadership BETTER start allowing the average Joe to occupy these vacant homes we have so many of just so they aren't sitting vacant.
EAST 7TH EAST SIDE HOT POTATO
Port Authority purchasing E 7 Triangle 4 parcels at 1000 block
found at the 30 June Issue of East Side Review PUBLISHED FOR PUBLIC SCRUNITY
http://eastsidereviewnews.com/
Further Lantry and Bostrom are Port Authorty Board Members
"Fox Guarding Henhouse
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Scott Nichols/Review
Port Authority purchasing the "East Seventh Street Triangle"
Scott Nichols
news editor
At its June 24 meeting, the St. Paul Port Authority passed a resolution to purchase four parcels of land in the 1000 block of East Seventh Street.
http://eastsidereviewnews.com/
Port Authority officials could not be reached for details, but Port board members Kathy Lantry and Dan Bostrom, both City Council members for the East Side, say the land is to be compiled as a "gateway" to help market the now-vacant 3M and Globe Building Materials properties nearby.
fORENSIC ANALYST SHARON
Bob - that has nothing to do with the 45 DAYS! If they need to repair that shit before they open they will have to repair it. But now he has a license to operate once the place is fixed up.
The Coney Island on Saint Peter Street has a liquor license and hasn't used it for 20 years!
It was a waiver on the priviledge to have a license to operate NOT on any inspection on the building to be able to operate.
Its like a drivers license and some a automobile licence. To be able to drive you need to have a license and the car need plates. The waiver is to allow this guy to hold a license at this location. He still needs to pass a health and fire inspection before he can open the doors to the building!
As to no plackers beats me. Maybe they were smart enough to never turn off the power and water.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
This is clearly a conspiracy Repke and you know it. Commercial property being classified as residential....Assigned a Category 1 status when it's really a 2 or 3....no placard on the property. Corruption plain and simple Chuck.
This building should be inspected by someone from outside of the city. There's many disturbing facts surrounding this.
Bob,
What other business are you referring to when you say double standard?
It would have to be a bar as the liquor license is what's really of value.
It cannot be a rental property as a place where people live, has to be held to higher standard than a bar where you'd be brave to piss in the unsanitary restroom.
Eric
Thinking of Sharon's post, that might be another reason why he was wanting to get a liquor license assigned to the building before the repairs. If the Port is buying property in the area, this building is worth a lot more with a liquor license than without one. Even if he never opens the doors.
Remember the legislature took away the power of eminent domain for ecconomic development purposes, so you have much more to negosiate with if you have a liquor license.
Good observation Sharon.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Thanks Chuck: East Side Review came out today, by US Mails
http://eastsidereviewnews.com/main.asp?SectionID=64&SubSectionID=283&TM=48689.01
Scott Nelson great reporting
Scrool to Forclosures
http://eastsidereviewnews.com/main.asp?SectionID=64&SubSectionID=283&ArticleID=2487&TM=48723.61
Credit St. Paul's state legislators for a last-minute partial fix to the city's money woes in the waning hours on Capitol Hill this session.
During a 3 a.m. conference committee session,
State Sen. Mee Moua snuck in verbiage that will henceforth allow the city to assess not just license fees for vacant buildings but the actual costs it incurs sending city crews out to board up properties, cut grass, or shut off water and gas.
You wonder why we run for office to expose corruption
http://sharon4council.blogspot.com
Kalis is a bad man and corrupt.Word around the inspection offices is Kalis got in some hot water with some Shady tactics.
When will you guys wake up.The city doesn't care for anybody but their own and the people who vote for them.
If this bar was owned by one of the ricomen it would be closed and a vacant 2-3.Maybe guys should start donating money to the campaigns.Ypu'll never beat the government!
City Employee
What St Paul needs is an all new Council with absoloutly no experience to come in and do things with a common sense approach that has some logic to it instead of all this "fell good" bull shit that gets nowhere.
"feel good"
I agree with your assessment. We should also let people with no experience run our billion dollar corporations with thousands of employees.
What?
So are what you're saying city employee is that the Federal Court is going to set "case law" that says civil rights violations are OK as long as the ends justify the means?
"What St Paul needs is an all new Council with absoloutly no experience to come in and do things with a common sense approach that has some logic to it instead of all this "fell good" bull shit that gets nowhere."
I Love that. What we need are the ignorant people in charge and they will be able to fix everything. If they have no idea how to run the government they won't screw it up.
We are getting killed by eight years of having resources starved from the cities by both the Fed's and the State and the solution is what we need is people who don't know how to cope...
Unreal.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck said;
Bob - that has nothing to do with the 45 DAYS! If they need to repair that shit before they open they will have to repair it. But now he has a license to operate once the place is fixed up.
my response-
I know what Kalis is after. The liquor license as you stated increases the value of this building by thousands of dollars. And heaven knows Kalis needs some kind of financial leverage in attempting to sell this building. It will cost over $350,000 to renovate. Although, I am wondering if Kalis even has any intention of soaking hundreds of thousands of dollars into this place.
This building is a health and safety concern for the neighborhood and DIFFENANTLY has a blighting influence. Kalis should be treated like any other citizen in this city and he should receive one of these notices >
After receiving testimony and evidence, from photos and citizens at A Democracy Town Hall Meeting we made the recommendation to approve the request to
order the interested or responsible parties to make the Subject Property safe and not detrimental to the public peace, health, safety and welfare and remove its blighting influence on the community by demolishing and removing the structure in accordance with all applicable codes and ordinances. The demolition of the structure to be completed within fifteen (15) days after the date of the Council Hearing.
I think I better go over there and get video footage of the neighbors concerns. The district council doesn't give a shit about how the neighbors feel. Karin Dupal and the rest of the district council have their friend Mikes interest to think about.
Kessler- you see the evidence here?
Please have someone do their job or hundreds if not thousands of us will wonder why...
First thing is this building needs to be put into the proper category. It is not a category 1. It needs an immediate code inspections and compliance.
Mr. Kalis should be treated like any other citizen.
Can't you give the guy a break? Mr. Kalis sold the building because he didn't want it. He probably thought the next sucker would put all the money into it, but the buyer went broke under the city's anti business agenda and now Mr. Kalis has to sell it again. Can't we just let him dump it off and let the next guy fix it up? Even "Demo Dan" is going along on this one to let it slide.
Bob,
What other business are you referring to when you say double standard?
It would have to be a bar as the liquor license is what's really of value.
It cannot be a rental property as a place where people live, has to be held to higher standard than a bar where you'd be brave to piss in the unsanitary restroom.
Eric
10:39 AM
I am referring to property investors and HOME OWNERS Eric. Why shouldn't this place be held to at least a minimum standard so it wasn't blighting the neighborhood? It will be once again a public establishment and it MUST have serious mold issues.
Are you OK with the condition of this building since one of your comrades has a interest in it?And would you be OK with it in it's present condition if let's say Deb Johnson owned it? I bet if Deb owned it these structural issues would be a really big deal.
We all KNOW there is a double standard Eric.
While better than it has ever been, this structure has had a bighting influence on the neighborhood for years and it's now time to demolish it and make way for an owner who will repair it and keep it repaired.
Kalis is trying to cash in for the RNC business.
Come on guys collapsing brick and rotten wood are only issues if the ricomen are in ownership.City employees who condemn and require code compliances can have open windows with rooten plywood falling out so the elements are wlso welcome into Kalis' bar.
How funny to see the Repkes and Erics of the world wanting blighted property fixed up until its one of their own. answer this Repke and Eric. How many landlords would get their rental license if they had open code issues or a vacant building? But a liquor license with a building that obviously is a public safety hazard as spelled out in chapter 34.
Why do you folks even try with these guys. We should all get together and destroy these city goones and followers with their own tactics.I have a list of all district council members and neighborhood busy bodies.I also have the city councils contribution list.
We can help clean up this town if thats what the city wants.But lets start with the top of the food chain.
Tim Ciani
Forget Deb Johnson, how about Nancy Osterman? Even though the city said her place had structural defects, I don't remember seeing anything this bad on her home.....and the city demolished it....and with pride I might add, as Mr. Helgen thought it was good news! The DFL elites wanted to take her to the woodshed, but now when it's one of their own.........
This place is even worse than Thune's house. It should be demo'd for sure.
I just can't wait for the rico trials. All you disbelievers will be knee deep in proof and the City will be knee deep in debt. After which the criminal charges start flowing in. I doubt the City will pay for any attorny fees to defend the criminal charges. I hope it drains every last nickel out of the corrupt a....holes.
I'm in Tim.We should all show this city they shouldn't throw stones if they live in glass houses.
or should I say the shouldn't condemn if they live in shit houses.
Sid
What comes around goes around!
I don't know what everyone is so upset about. This is good news. If the Council goes ahead and gives the nod to open this bar up, then they just prove what people have been saying for a long time. It proves what we've been saying and it helps the ricomen. If you guys think they don't know about this blog and monitor it, you're crazy. Everything is right on track so just chill out and let these jerks do what they do best.....they won't disappoint you. Go chill out and have a beer, this situation will get a lot better before it's over.
All of you people are all wet. The reason this is happening this way is because of the new law the city passed which says if you have a vacant building you can't sell it before you fix it up. That law is about to take effect in a month or two, and the city wants to help their guy skirt the rules and dump the property so the next guy gets stuck with the repairs. And probably all the future code enforcement orders also!
Poor guy probably don't have the money to fix it. If he sold it and now gets it back, he must have sold it on a contract. If the buyer defaulted and he took it back, then he now has a huge income tax liability cause he has to take it back at current market value and then pay income tax on it. With a huge tax liability, where would he get the money to fix it up? Maybe the city will give him a grant too! Sounds like a mess to me.
This blog just keep getting better and better. I remember in the beginning how people were saying everyone here was crazy and corruption couldn't be going on in their little "Mayberry." What a difference a few years can amke.
Great Photos of 1179 East 7th Street.
Kathy Lantry must have part ownership in this one to allow it to be standing after Nancy O home was taken down.
Money is the factor in this one, Money talks.
I should be saying, is this a bribery case.
Good homes come down and bad one are still standing.
No matter, the city council has double standards.
Bob had photo's of that councilman's home, why dose Lantry allow this to keep going on.
Dan Bostrom was in charge for years, they just keep changing the top dog on the council to take some of the scandal away from it all.
Pat Harris seems to be the most decent guy of them all.
If Bob Johnson was in charge of the city, thing would change quick around here.
I think this is what Chuck was talking about when he referred to cutting someone a little slack.
Looks like photos are the only way to shut people like Eric and Chuck up.I don't see them shooting their lose lips off now.
Sid
OK - I'll try again. I went by the place on my way home last night. It isn't a palace but it isn't a dump either. Its a huge brick building. The pannelling that Bob shows that is worn on the bottom is like 1/1,000 of the surface area of the building. We are talking $500 at Menards to fix most of the the exterior wood issue that Bob blows up.
As to the brick work please find me a hundred year old brick building without those mortor issues. So, big deal. None of that looks like health and safety issues to bar patrons.
The only thing that is constantly proven on this site is that people here hate everyone that works in the City and will do anything they can to falsley accuse them of anything they can.
Again, the only thing that was done at this building so far was to wave the 45 day wait (that is designed to give the community time to learn about a new owner) because this guy had previously owned the bar.
Normal, usual standard proceedure something that would happen with any bar owner who got a bar back.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
... and Tim we don't have "rental licenses" in Saint Paul. They have them in the suburbs which is why most of the "Ricomen" aren't able to rent properties in the burbs. Once you have one of their dumps in the burbs you lose your license to rent in that city.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck said;
As to the brick work please find me a hundred year old brick building without those mortor issues. So, big deal. None of that looks like health and safety issues to bar patrons.
my response;
Chuck, the photos of the brick I have posted CLEARLY show the extent of the water damage to this building. The bricks are falling inside the structure for God sake. There is severe water damage to the building. Mold and structural water damage is a health and safety concern.
Chuck said;
The only thing that is constantly proven on this site is that people here hate everyone that works in the City and will do anything they can to falsley accuse them of anything they can.
my response;
Chuck, I don't hate ANYONE ever. If you call this falsely accusing a city official of something you are spinning out of control. The photos speak louder than words! The repairs and maintenance of this building have been neglected for many years for the walls to rot out behind the bricks to the point the bricks are falling inside the building. Chuck you find me a brick building that is falling apart like this and my guess is if it isn't owned by one of your friends it is scheduled to be demolished.
Chuck said;
Again, the only thing that was done at this building so far was to wave the 45 day wait (that is designed to give the community time to learn about a new owner) because this guy had previously owned the bar.
my response;
That is the problem Chuck. The neighbors I spoke with don't want this bar open even if Mother Teresa owned it. And your right, the only thing done so far was an attempt to get the liquor license without hearing anything from concerned neighbors. WHY isn't Kalis repairing this health and safety hazard right NOW? It is blighting the neighborhood.
I will be sending out notices today to the city council and DSI. When Kalis isn't made to repair this building I can throw another piece of evidence at the RICO men declaring a double standard.
I know Kalis will not be held accountable to bring this structure up to code for the safety and well being of the neighborhood. Arrogance guides this city council and DSI and arrogance breeds stupidity.
Bob,
These are not my cronies. I'm not on a District Council but, when I was it was Payne Phalen not Daytons Bluff. This is not Dan Bostrom's s district either. As its pointed out over and over, I'm a Party Officer in Saint Paul- I never heard of Kalis. He is not a DFl party activist.
In the past the 45 day waiver has been waived to speed up a waiting period if everything has been followed through on. Repairs, community notice and presentation for q and a from surrounding neighbors. It has been good for pushing the city along.
Why are you even debating the different (not double) standard between residential and commercial property?
It appears Tim that with all of your 'busy body' anonymous activity and Bob's abundant free time that you could organize to take over one of these councils. Its usually eats that are won by people who show up. In Payne-Phalen there are 30,000 people in the district, some board members got elected with less than 50 votes.
Surely your team of reformers can get involved and change the system that's supposedly so corrupt. Or, is it easier to bitch and point fingers?
You both seem to enjoy the latter.
12:54
Nothing has been proved, as a matter of fact, things have been disproved and the Nancy has been convicted.
Sid,
You're still an idiot, probably a result of your parents being first cousins. How can you talk about exposing people who do sign up to do public service for free, and you can't even sign your own name behind the stupid things you say? Who are you? Where do you live? I know its a glass house with lots of rock holes in it but, where is it?
The ricomen wouldn't have done shit as you folks haven't realized that you're nothing but pawns in their game. There will be no money from the city, but they may weaken some ordinance which means they win and you still live in squalor probably owned by them.
For the record when I was President of the district council,I was against a few things but, our business community can't say I was anti-business. When it came to used car lots, more social service housing and even more low income rental units- I was a NO vote. The East side is flooded with those things and even before the housing market crashed there were plenty of vacant units for low and no income renters.
There, you got. Oh for the short of attention readers:
There ALWAYS has been in EVERY city and county in America, a different standard for commercial and residential property. ALWAYS.
Eric
Bob,
a city official and a city employee are two entirely different things.
Eric
Now Eric wants us to believe the city is and always has been ok with a commercial building being neglected like this. Who cares if it is blighting the neighborhood it is a commercial building. Yeah right!
Eric, you and Chuck have a pitiful argument.
Eric said-
In the past the 45 day waiver has been waived to speed up a waiting period if everything has been followed through on. Repairs, community notice and presentation for q and a from surrounding neighbors. It has been good for pushing the city along.
So what you are saying Eric is this waiver is usaully given when >
Repairs, community notice and presentation for q and a from surrounding neighbors.
Don't look like that has happened Eric. WHY NOT?
Eric, your assertion is Bob has abundant free time. I happen to know Bob and he has a busy schedule between fishing and barbecuing politicians. What does your wife think of you spending your day on A Democracy when you have household chores to do? :)
Erik
Bob,
a city official and a city employee are two entirely different things.
Eric
Pick at my choice of words because there is nothing else to pick apart Eric. The photos show the years of neglect of this structure that is blighting the neighborhood.
Eric, recently I and other property rights advocates have met to discuss strategies for change. We are speaking with banking institutions, legislators, Realtors, citizen advocates and the media. You will see our efforts in a very public way very soon.
FOR THE RECORD
NOBODY, is using me for a pawn. I am motivated by the despair of those who have had their families broken and suffered financial ruin at the hands of this city's leadership.
I obtained this story from a young man who had inherited his deceased fathers home and lost it to the city when he had the misfortune of crossing paths with Mike Kalis in his official capacity as a code enforcement officer. This young man with tears in his eyes stirred my interest when he informed me Mike owned this dump. He was upset the code enforcement officer giving him hell had a building in a condition much worse than the home he lived in.
Also, I have said this in the past, we live in a small world and this blog has become a magnet for people in despair over issue they are having with the city. The grape vein is alive and well in Saint Paul.
Also, for the record. I know 2 Eric's, one is Erik Hare and he would not post here. The only other Eric I know is our "Eric". If you are going to claim to know me use your real name.
As for free time. I could use some work to occupy some of my free time.:-) Looks like Kalis needs a good handyman, how bout it Mike?Eric, Chuck, you have any work available? :-)
Since the "Kalis Bar" is a public place, I think he should open it up for inspection to the public so people can go in and see for themselves what condition this dump is in. I called one of the ricomen and told him what was happening on the blog and what epople were saying and he laughed and said when they took a deposition of Kalis a couple years ago that Kalis said the bar is in good shape. Is this your idea of good shape Chcuk and Eric? Can a landlord have these types of violations and have his building be thought of as in good shape? I doubt it! This clearly looks to be an unequal enofrcement of the law.....which happens to be illegal and a civil rights violation Eric.
11:38,
Not my point at all. My point is that there have always been been two different standards. I have not commented on the status of this building. I haven't seen it. Maybe I'll go out of my way after work today and drive past.
11:48
I can't tell you why. I still don't know enough, the key is you have the Exec Dir name and where she works. This is typical of the people who write here, you cherry pick your info until it fits your agenda (much like how Bush got us into Iraq). Call the damn office and ask Karen why? I'm not accusing anyone of nefarious actions. District Council meeting notes are public information.
Erik,
Very funny. I'm at work as I try to spend time with the wife and kids while at home. My wife doesn't like me fighting with anyone and thinks political blogging is uninteresting and a lot of blowhards just blowing.
Bob,
Officials have more direct accountability to the public and employees work for them. That's the difference. An entry-level planner at Parks and Recs, or receptionists in Public Works has several people above them before you get to the Director who is appointed by the Mayor. You count them as Public Officials?
Its refreshing to see you meeting with a coalition of interested parties. That's how things get done. I'll be very disappointed if that coalition is just a front group for RICO and not for solutions.
As far as handywork, I had to clean out my gutters again last week and going up two and a half stories on an unsecured ladder is not my idea of a good time. I could've used you then. I'm going to pay for the new seamless gutters that prevents leaves and junk from clogging it up. Can anyone testify that these work?
Bob, with Ciani taking pictures all day, he'll have some potential clients for you. If he'd only put that effort to good use. Since you two are well-versed in code enforcement. You could go around town taking pictures, then Bob you could visit the owner, lay out his potential violations and fines, then lay out the cost you would charge to fix it. Nevermind, that sounds like a racket. Those good honest intentions might get you on the end of, say, a RICO suit.
Eric <---A-Democracy's very own.
12:58,
Listen Perry Mason, you haven't been in the bar either. I gotta tell you, I would probably not drink there anyway. Doubt if my kind would be welcome. Does it look desirable- no.
For the last time:
Standards for commercial property and residential property have always been different. Yes, they are more strict in America for places of habitation over places of business. Unfortunately for some you, your business happens to be habitation. You have to abide by the rules that apply for residential- not commercial. So, clean your dumps up and call enforcement on other eyesores so that they have to do the same.
If the place is a dump, I'm sure some people will be speaking up. Then, we'll see what happens.
At this point, you guys are still batting zero.
Eric
Chuck said, "As to the brick work please find me a hundred year old brick building without those mortor issues. So, big deal. None of that looks like health and safety issues to bar patrons."
Ok Repke, let's look at Dave's place on 7th. Same old dump as Michael's bar, same problems, but your buddy Thune got a pass from Fire. Thune did not get the required permits for the work he did.
Repke you are still full of your socialist BS.
And Thune was required to fix that stuff once a concerned citizen reported it. Until then the city just does their C of O inspections and cuts him a free ride on those things.....unlike the way they do with an "unconnected landlord." Double standard? I'd say so.
The issue is not whether all the other places in the city have these problems so this place shouldn't have to fix them because they're somehow normal. That issue has been argued for years by ricomen and it's called unequal application of the law. It's illegal....plain and simple. Had the city not targeted certain landlords to death over these very kinds of repair issues, they would be being sued by everyone and their mother today.
Your right Eric, the building codes for residential and commercial are different. The code for commercial are much more stringent than residential and thus the enforcement should also be more stingent for them shouldn't it? Or does it make a difference because of who owns it? Would you be as supportive if the landlords you claim never fix their property had a building like this on Payne and Wells?
Thought for the Day:
"When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
Hey Chuck
What's good for the goose.
You and your friends have to obey the same law as we do, if not we as the people will rebel.
Then you and your city council creeps will be washed up.
Amen.
10:34
Payne and Wells is a long way from where I am by at least 15 blocks- but I get it. I don't know enough to make a judgement is all I'm saying. I do know I may know a little bit more of the process than most on here who are commenting and have already drawn the conclusion that favoritism has prevailed.
Take the pictures, go to the district council and read the minutes from the meeting. Then report back or draw conclusions.
This haste is exactly why the lawsuits are being laughed out of court and the only reason they are still around is that we have a great appeals process in this country.
We are back to the accusation that certain landlords have been targeted by Code Enforcement.
Tell us why.
Eric
Chuck St.Paul does have a rental license,its calles a C of O. They used to have a rental registration also. Both these can be yanked and or have to be obtained to rent.
You probably wouldn't know this because it doesn't matter to you and Bucky.
Chuck and I'm sure the Ricomen have and would be fine in the burbs.Far away from you and your brain dead friends.
Tim Ciani
No Tim you have no clue how the real world works do you.
In most of the suburbs there are rental license and a landlord gets a license to rent properties in the town. If he opperates like one of your "Ricomen" he can lose his license to rent ANY building in that town. So, if he owned a dump and a palace in the same town he could lose his license to rent the palace because of the way he ran the dump. That is why most of the bad actors end up renting in the cities where we don't have "rental licenses" and only have C of O's for buildings.
The tables in Saint Paul have always favored the landlords being able to get away with running the dumps. That is why they have freaked out over enforcement. They just can't believe that the cities would ever start to expect to be treated the same way as the suburbs that these guys live in.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
We are back to the accusation that certain landlords have been targeted by Code Enforcement.
Tell us why.
LOL.....HA HA HA
you'll never "get it" will you ya godamn fool?
To all bloggers: MN. Const. Art.X
Uniformity of Taxes,
HOW MANY CITY EMPLOYEES LIVE OUTSIDE OF CITY IE MIKE KALIS
If the Water Bill at 1179 E. 7th was not paid
therefore the city must condemn
Looks like Kalis doesn't pay his water bill and they assess to his taxes
http://rrinfo.co.ramsey.mn.us/public/characteristic/TaxValueStmt.asp?pin=282922410068the property, very interesting that the Mayor of W. St.Paul Zanmiller is VChair of Water Board,
Item 10 todays Agenda that www.e-democracy.org person Matt Anfang is appointed
10. Resolution - 08-721 - Approving the appointment of Matt Anfang, by Mayor Coleman, to the Board of Water Commissioners. (GS 3056313)
http://stpaul.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=37&event_id=40&meta_id=42976
GS3056313-Resolution
Further www.ci.stpaul.mn.us has NEW CHARGES ON WATER:...
Today vacant bldgs 1,995http://www.ci.stpaul.mn.us/index.asp?NID=2272
How many are demo for lack of water electricity? or wilful failure to pay water, bills?
10:26, (I think we all know who posted this :-)) posted the tax statement for this property. I see there was a $127 delinquent utility assessment.
There is two homes at Ross and 7th. Street that look new and they have been .condemned because the water was shut off
Why is it the property at 1179 East 7th has the property tax assessed for delinquent utilities instead of getting a condemnation like any other citizen?
More evidence presented here at "A Democracy Town Hall Meeting" of a double standard.
Chuck whats the difference the city when it doesn't like how a landlord runs one property in the city then targets all of his and puts them out of business.Very good my little buddy.Thats one of the reasons the citys getting sued ya D-Horn.
Chuck how about we show pictures of some of the ricomens properties and some of yours,councils and city officials and see who has the dump?
Anybody want to have fun?
Tim Ciani
City Webmaster is fast,go to Harrington testimony on "Bars" no 25
Of course item 16 1179 E. 7th was schuffled throhttp://stpaul.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=37&clip_id=856
Bob,
You just spoiled all the fun. This is a clear example of people benefitting from the city's strange policies, and proves RICO. It also washes Chuck's and Eric's anti-RICO arguments down the drain.
It's going to be a L--O--N--G day when payments due hit at City Hall.
eric and chuck,
You two guys just not get it.
Its is not over for landlords yet.
They are still in court and waiting for a trial.
Just tell me something.
I talked to city attorney today. I asked about code complince.
He said this to me. That I need to bring it up to state code. Only.
I talked to robert H. today later in the day. And he said that I need to bringit up to city codes.
So, who do I trust??
Don't trust any of these city bastards. If their lips are moving, they're lying through their teeth. Get an Attorney and put em down.
So many questions, so little time.
Lets go to the big one first. City code vs State Code, could some one tell me what they think the City requires that is not a part of the current state building code?
Isn't the real issue here that owners go crazy when their grandfathering of "old code" goes away when the building goes vacant and the city requires them to bring the building up to code?
So, then back to the "fairness" issue. The bottom line of this arguement is that if every home in the City of Saint Paul isn't inspected on the same day that mine is then I was unfairly signaled out. It just isn't going to hold water. You can make these arguement in any system in any town about any level of property inspections.
Everybody gets their shot in front of the City Council and in district court for any violations that are writen up. That is why the equal treatment under the law isn't going to do anything either.
And the RICO suit is dead. To have Rico you have to have a conspiracy a victom and someone who benefits. There has been nothing to suggest that anyone conspires with anyone and there is noone who benefits from any possible loss of the landlords. And beyond that there is nothing that these landlords have in common other than badly managing property.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
The neighborhood benifets you goof. They conspire with the city council, the police, NHPI, the city attorney, and back room deals with the judges. They're all in it together Repke and no one gives two hoots about what day they inspect your house on. Aren't you about due for another inspection?
Chuck nothing government does works.Just because the city conspired and it didn't work doesn't mean its not rico.
If you conspire to kill someone and you don't kill them you can still be convicted.
Just my view.
Steve
11:42 and Steve...
If who benefits is the public (neighborhood) from removing a blite then there wasn't a conspiracy to do damage to anyone there was the legitimate use of the City's powers to protect the health and welfare of the community.
That is flat out a basic power of government and no court in the land is going to say that the government doing its job is a conspiracy!
A RICO case has to be a group of people who knowingly conspire to do damage to a group of people to financially benefit another person or group of people.
If what the City did was to step up code enforcement on properties as a coordinated effort with neighbors and police with problem properties, what they were doing was their job. The courts have ruled over and over again that City government has police powers concerning properties.
Again the only "class" in this lawsuit is property owners who either can not or will not repair their properties. That is not a RICO case. In every case mentioned here the property owner could have chosen to repair his property... they didn't.
It is never going to be determined to be a "conspiracy" that these people were signalled out over similarly situated properties because of the number of police calls or number of neighborhood complaints. Those are legitmate reasons to enforce. And as you have seen here, people on this list (or others) have been able to get my house written up, and Thune's, house and Dawkin's office... proving that enforsement responds to complaints.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
chuck,
You are full it.
The city does not want low income or poor people in the city because of uses services and they had to pay for it.
They just want no problems.
You miss the point
Chuck said,"A RICO case has to be a group of people who knowingly conspire to do damage to a group of people to financially benefit another person or group of people."
Ciani said,"You hit the nail on the head Chuck.I've heard many of the ricomen are out of business with many other landlords also."
Chuck you are full of air.
Tim Ciani
Tim to whose financial benefit?
Kelly/Dawkins/Magner had to have someone that they wanted to come out ahead in the deal.
The suit says PHA.
Magically, through space alliens monies would appear in PHA's coffer because these particular landlords went out of business. Now unfortunately the mother ship didn't land and the space alliens didn't leave the monies in exchange for these landlords going out of business... but that doesn't mean that it wasn't a part of the universal conspiracy to have the space alliens appear...!
Invest in ALCOA Tim. Tin foil more and more tin foil that's what will protect you.
And to 8:52 time to adjust your medications. You may not have noticed it but I am sure a judge would there are still plenty of poor people in Saint Paul, so that won't hold water either.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck said;
Again the only "class" in this lawsuit is property owners who either can not or will not repair their properties. That is not a RICO case. In every case mentioned here the property owner could have chosen to repair his property... they didn't.
*Looks like Mike Kalis gets a wink and and a nod from his gestapo pals.
11:42:
"The neighborhood benifets you goof. They conspire with the city council, the police, NHPI, the city attorney, and back room deals with the judges. They're all in it together Repke and no one gives two hoots about what day they inspect your house on."
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Damn right the neighborhood benefits by shutting down the blight. Too bad its all legal. The powers of the district council, police, NHPI, city attorney and inspectors are all written into law. None of those laws were broken.
Your ignorance of these laws which each and everyone of them came before the council and passed at one time of another without one council member losing their job over that vote would prove that St Paulites are OK with those laws too.
We've done the math and you have nobody but a couple dozen whiners and some shyster landlords who were able to use your own ignorance to cloud up your case.
You guys for the most part are pawns (sorry Bob, but its true. Your focus and Nancy O's is not the RICO case focus). RICO men who don't live in the city, make these charges against the city. They tap into the low class landlords who may or may not have real problems with the city but no money to fight or prove their case, they then find a couple of people who lost homes and can put a sympathetic face on it and BAM! Its a conspiracy!
Those of you who believe you have been wronged by individual city employees will never get your day in court since you lumped it in with RICO. Those of you who want the city to pay for mistakes- will never see the light of day because you lumped it in with RICO. Those of you who know that minorities are being unfairly targeted will just have to suck it up because its lumped in as evidence of RICO. Unless RICO is proved, it all will be washed away. As it has at the already. The winner? RICO men. THey know they will never win but, its a waiting and procedural game for them. The poor landlord or citizen with a complaint looses. The suit is weak and your windfall of cash will NEVER, EVER happen.
A year and a half ago I suggested that individuals file suits against departmental corruption or unfair practices. Those can be won or loss on their individual merits. Somehow you've been suckered in a RICO case that most of you can't articulate your position- hence your loss in court. As individuals who were victims of different kinds by a few city employees, you could have really been top of fold news or NBC Dateline material. Now, your just banter on a blog.
Eric
It's not over yet Eric and I'd be careful about what you say. I've herd that "Dateline" is talking to the ricomen. You may be suprised at what's going to happen next.
Eric have you read the lawsuits? Rico is only one count. Rico could be thrown out and the other counts could go on to trial. What you are saying these landlords should have sued for-THEY ARE! Take a moment to read and you will see that Rico is not the only oart of the case and I suspect they used it to get into federal court. Away from the citys bought and payed for judges.
Ryan
Ryan, they sued under RICO. The only other charges are that the City is discriminating against protected classes by requiring to high of a standard of housing. Particularly, in the 4th case they say that the City should allow substandard housing for poor people. The moron on that case directly says that the tennants don't complain about the conditions so why should the City?
The "protected class" arguements are not going to play when the only class that exists in the suit, the only thing that makes this group of plaintiffs any different than anyone else in the City is that they are either unwilling on unable to repair their properties.
There are too many low income housing units owned by private landlords that are still functioning and have been able to stay up to code for any judge ever to believe that there was ever any effort to do anything but force these owners to maintain their properties.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Chuck have you talked to Sara Anderson or Caty Royce lately.Just ask them how much affordable housing there is out there.
Linda
Chuck with all do respect I appreciate your aguments.I am an active attorney watching these cases very closely and believe it is foolish of you to believe these cases can't move through our court system with out the Rico count.
Chuck I also believe it was wise for these attorneys to bring it to Federal court and out of the city.It is hard to win against a big city in their home courts.Its called home court advantage.So I suspect this is why they went Rico and believe it was a very smart choice.
Ryan
Linda,
I would be the first one to tell you that I don't think there is any "affordable" housing anywhere. I said there were people housing low income people. I don't beleave that any of it is affordable unless you are receiving section 8.
When you figure someone working full time making $10 an hour would take home less than $1,400 a month and we use to consider 25% of one's income to be a fair amount to pay on housing, they'd have to be paying $350 for rent.
There is no affordable housing. I get it.
The issue is that doesn't mean we should be allowing fire traps and garbage houses to house the poor. It means we need to expand section 8 to give renters more options.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Ryan, if you're an attorney, I'm an astronaut. Just writing this alone:
--"...Away from the citys bought and payed for judges."--
Is enough for you to be in front of the ethics board. Besides, you writing indicates someone who never had to write professionally.
If you learn anything in law school its how to write a complete sentence. Briefs, depositions, opinions etc. You can't get around that.
Second, your comprehension or demonstrated understanding of basic courtroom procedures seem to have escaped you.
Did you go to Nancy's seminar and she knighted you an attorney at law?
You do know that doesn't carry water, don't you?
Eric
You do know that doesn't carry water, don't you?
.....and this is english?
Eric I don't know you and you don't know me.Courts and judges can be slightly shifted to one side then another.And I can gaurentee you in St.Paul that would be the case.
So what Eric is saying is judges and courts don't have agenda's and political pressured influence.Look at the supreme court Eric.Do you actually believe they don't lean one way or another depending on what party appointed them?
Eric stick to the issues and quit trying to teach everyone how to type.And since I've started reading I've noticed you name calling.It makes you look and sound ignorant.
Ryan
The issue is that doesn't mean we should be allowing fire traps and garbage houses to house the poor. It means we need to expand section 8 to give renters more options.
Chuck do you not understand people don't want section 8 in their neighborhoods?I remember reading a email about Kathy Lantry not wanting section 8 in her neighborhoods.Also the section 8 tenents are the ones causing damage to homes that blight neighborhoods and also cause a great number of police calls.What now?
Linda
Ryan, I went back and changed 'hold' to 'carry'. Besides, I'm not pretending to be something I'm not.
"So what Eric is saying is judges and courts don't have agenda's and political pressured influence.Look at the supreme court Eric.Do you actually believe they don't lean one way or another depending on what party appointed them?"
No what I'm saying is that if you are an officer of the court, you have an obligation to report any perceived corruption. Standing around making criminal accusations about other officers of the court is, as you know, a serious ethical concern that could cost you your license to the bar.
You didn't say the court leans one way politically or another, you said exactly---> "Take a moment to read and you will see that Rico is not the only oart of the case and I suspect they used it to get into federal court. Away from the citys bought and payed for judges."<------ Your words Counsel.
Judges bought and paid for by the city.
Answer a couple of questions for me Harvey:
How are they bought?
What purpose do they serve city?
Who paid them?
Who are these judges?
I mean, if you can make such a definite statement, surely you know the answers to the above questions.
Let's here it Sport- oh, and if think I give a rip about what these people think of me- Pffft!
Eric
Eric grow up then we can talk like gentlemen.
Ryan
Eric,
You can bet that with the city's actions there are lawyers all over the country watching this.
"Ryan, they sued under RICO. The only other charges are that the City is discriminating against protected classes by requiring to high of a standard of housing. Particularly, in the 4th case they say that the City should allow substandard housing for poor people. The moron on that case directly says that the tennants don't complain about the conditions so why should the City?"
The above statement just shows the ignorance and arrogance of the city in general, which is why they're being sued I would presume.
I have read the lawsuit a couple of times and it's not the morons suing that are saying there is too a high of a standard, it's HUD. The federal government has told the city in the past it cannot have a housing code program that goes above the Federal Housing Quality Standards. The citys program does just that......in addition to going above the state building code. Recently the Supreme Court weighed in on that and said it was illegal.
And the tenants DID complain. They DID NOT want governemnt agents in their apartments, but were forced to consent to illegal searches without warrants issued.
If what these landlords say is true, (and it appears to be) the city has violated their civil rights and that's much more serious than housing code violations. Yes the city has a right to go after people for violations, but they have to do it within the law......not break the law doing it and then come along with a song and dance afterwards like a lot of the posters here seem to be trying to do.
It doesn't make any differeence how many low income housing units and landlords are left Repke.....what matters is that these guys are not "left" and the city had a plan to force them to sell their business. That's the difference, the city didn't want the properties fixed up, they wanted the landlords gone and they succeded and now they have to pay. I doubt very much if all these people are so cheap as you say that they refuse to fix their buildings and are willing to lose them rather than fix them and then then turn around and pour what appears to millions into attorneys to fight lawsuits. Maybe they are cheap, but I doubt they are this stupid as you portray.....especially when there so many.
--"...Away from the citys bought and payed for judges."--
Is enough for you to be in front of the ethics board."
What;s a matter Eric? You don't like the truth? There's evidence and sworn testimony that city officials rigged the court so they could have a favorable outcome to their cases brought against landlords.
You need to read better Eric. The matter with the ramsey county court has been talked about here at length. St. Paul was stupid enough to mistakenly turn over the hand written notes about fixing and corrupting the court. Where you been man? This is old news!
6:09 I ask again somebody show me something in the City code that isn't a part of the state building code. You guys tell each other so much bull shit you start believing it is true.
6:14 The City never stopped anyone from hiring a contractor and fixing their building. Only after years of lying that they were going to repair properties and not doing it was anyone ever demo'ed.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Ryan,
No we can't, we seem to be short gentlemen around here. You made a certain statement about county judges being paid off by city officials. Back it up or shut the fuck up.
6:09
That ignorant city is kicking your ass in this suit. You haven't nothing to show for all this time and work.
6:19
You got any proof of that fantasy? I didn't think so. Truth is, this case is laughed about and your 'evidence' has been dismissed. In other words you got nothing.
6:27
Got any more lies? he only people who buy into this are the ones who already think its a conspiracy. Again, you guys got no coverage and can't buy any press for yourself because anyone who actually looks at this realize that its a crock, and not a very elaborate one.
Eric
I thought this Ryan guy was sincere and knowledgable.Eric comes in with his ghetto talking jive just like the poop in the pants thugs that used to live on my block.Ryan don't get scared away by Eric.He's a thug like the rest of them.Eric you better be careful on your words or I'll get the code cops on you.From the looks of it there trying to get your kind in the suburbs.The sad thing is is your to dumb to figure it out.DAH.
Froggy
Eric is just a typical DFL'er.
While the rico plaintiffs keep shoveling in the fact and evidence, Eric and Chuck keep singing the party song. I feel embarrassed for them.
Stop picking on the DFL Please.
Al Franken is a DFL.
No one like's Norm Coleman either, who can we vote for.
10:34 said..."Like I said , there's already been deposition testimony, and that's backed up with the hand written notes for the meetings and what transpired."
But nothing, no one, nobody, testified to being a part of a conspiracy or knowing of a conspiracy. Also, nothing, no one, nobody testified to knowing of anyone who financially benefitted by any actions against any landlord. And nothing, no one, nobody testified to why these particular landlords were singled out other than the condition of or management of their properties.
What we have was mostly the "rough" side of frustrated elected and appointed officials that couldn't get their enforcement people (DSI) to in their view, do their job and write up buildings. You would have Kelly and Dawkins yelling at employees to write up problems rather than to continue to ignore them.
Kelly and Dawkins frustration having represented the East Side and Frogtown were acute. They would see where inspectors wouldn't tollerate blite in Highland or Como, but would let the same problems persist in poor neighborhoods on the East Side or in Frogtown. These guys said, enforse the code. Quit letting these ass holes off of the hook.
So, the language is at time testy, big deal.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Repke opined: "We are getting killed by eight years of having resources starved from the cities by both the Fed's and the State..."
Funny. It occurs to me that the city worked just fine until Coleman was added to frost the nutcase cake that occupies the city council.
Now all of a sudden the whole thing has gone to shit...what gives?
I can't understand the city can be experiencing any "resource" shortage today when a majority of voters made a clear statement at the ballot box that they were "Happy to pay".
Mayor Coleman and his Barking Moonbat Circus has been taking voters at their word the past two years and has rewarded them with a combined 23% tax increase....why stop now?
I call on the Mayor, and council of the City of Saint Paul to give the people what they want! Double digit tax increases until every conceivable want or need of every citizen is being administered by an AFSCME or MAPE member.
Now is not the time to be shy.
chuck,
You are so wrong. But keep sing the party line.
Swiftee, you know very well that what we are seeing in Minneapolis and Saint Paul is right out of Karl Rove's play book. He made the determination that even in the "Red States" the cities are so "Blue" that it costs the GOP nothing in terms of votes to bleed them dry.
So, Governor Tim "let them die before spend any money on city bridges" Pawlenty addopted the same stratogy. He figured it out pretty quick that since he never carried a precinct in either city, it would cost him nothing to tax the cities and spend their money building roads to where his voters are in the suburbs. So, no money for the cities and plenty of money for the burbs.
Mayor Coleman then has to raise the property tax to pay for the same services that use to be funded with OUR state income tax dollars coming back to us. Now our state income tax dollars go to take care of those poor suffering wealthy suburbs.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Get used to it Repke.....your side lost and what the cities are living with is the payback. Next time get your vote right man!
Suburban Joe
Suburban Joe,
The RICO men side have won nothing. NOTHING. ZADA. ZILCH. The city is still sitting on the millions that you keep promising will break us when we pay it. Still waiting...
Swiftee,
MAPE is a state employee bargaining unit. I know you guys are so full of hate for public servants it doesn't matter if they are with the city, county, state or feds.
10:34
I'm the stupidest fuck you ever met? Doubtful. You never met me. Even if I was, you bested me with you last post:
"Like I said , there's already been deposition testimony, and that's backed up with the hand written notes fo the meetings and what transpired."
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No there hasn't been. But, whatever helps you get up every morning and keep going.
There seems to be a disconnect with what has happened in court. Bob, you want to repost the court findings?
You idiots aren't re-writing history, you're actually creating it completely.
Later you anonymous cowards.
Ryan, I'm waiting for that legal mind of your to tell us about your knowledge of bought and paid for judges at the circuit level. (not really but I say that to let you know I haven't forgot you're full of shit)
Eric
Instead of Bad Language etc. Bobby must run for Conservation Supervisor http://www.co.ramsey.mn.us/elections/CandidatesFilingForOffice2008.htm
Conservation District Supervisor
Paul Sawyer (District 3)
Legal Residence Address:
87 Maria Ave
St Paul MN 55106
Campaign Contact Information:
87 Maria Ave
St Paul MN 55106
612-269-1024
paulforsupervisor@gmail.com
Jill Elizabeth Wilkinson (District 3)
Legal Residence Address:
1019 Fremont Ave
St Paul MN 55106
Campaign Contact Information:
jekwilkinson@hotmail.com
You are a lower class, non-educated, foul mouthed, race-focused, government dependent adult male. Who is it you suppose you're better than? Quack, Quack, Quack.
Quit putting me in a class where you came from and where these poop pant sagging thugs that tear up are neighborhoods come from.I work-pay taxes and sick of people living off my paycheck.What do you do Eric?You almighty piece of shit!
Froggy
"Quack, quack, quack, quack" says Froggy the Duck.
Pay attention waterfowl.
I come from two parents who eventual moved to the south side of Chicago. Both my parents are educated professionals as are their three boys. When they married they had one high school diploma between them and my father went off to Nam'. Decade and a half later they were college educated and raising good fine boys.
I've got a 2 degrees and its known what I do. You should have been paying attention. I'm also positive that I'm bringing in more income and contributing more to taxes than you are, which is what counts in your comparisons and little world. My Minnesota relatives live in my house as all I have here are my wife and kids.
Whom do you think you are fooling? You have no 'pay-check' (social security disability is not a paycheck) and probably suck more off the government than you're aware of. You're a hateful parasite who's time is coming to an end.
Whoa! 5pm Froggy. Time for your Klan meeting. Go get your agenda for the weekend and listen to them brag about who's cousin is the cutest.
Eric
Chuck said, "Mayor Coleman then has to raise the property tax to pay for the same services that use to be funded with OUR state income tax dollars coming back to us. Now our state income tax dollars go to take care of those poor suffering wealthy suburbs."
Mismanagement by Coleman and Lantry is the reason we are in the mess we are in because they don't know how to cut their budget to live within their means. They also have to protect union jobs at all costs. This has become the welfare of the 21st century, promoted by the Minnesota DFL.
Chuck, you foam at the mouth because LGA was restructured back in 2003. Get over it, it is not coming back. This LGA or state aide is tax money that some farmer in out state Minnesota contributed to. It is about time they had their roads fixed, and LGA spent on these communities instead of poorly mismanaged cities of the first class like Minneapolis and St. Paul.
Time for a change in leadership in St. Paul I would say.
Your Neighbor!
Who's saying anything about rico or ricomen or whatever it is Eric. I just made a statement that your side was stupid enough to back back the wrong side for Gov and now you're getting paid back for your disloyalty.
You people in the city owe us suburbanites the money we get and if your sitting on millions as you say, maybe we shoudl get some more and certainly you have no business talking being short and blaming me or the Gov.
"I've got a 2 degrees and its known what I do."
Well Eric....it's no wonder your so f***ing dumb. You have had all the comon sense educated out of you. Join our side while you can Eric. You'll become enlightened and see the mistakes of your ways and thoughts/
Well,
Eric and Chuck are starting to resemble ducks more and more, with those big flat feet from attempting to stomp out forest fires. Froggie's pretty much the same. I disagree with him, but appreciate his candor.
Meanwhile all the best have either left town or are leaving town before the BIG BANG when this hits the fan.
Froggy rocks.....he says it like he thinks it is and don't give us no spin.
5:48
Argue with the facts all you want. Speaking of facts:
"Core cities find that populations are on the rise"
Pointing to trends in building permits, local officials have insisted for some time that these changes have been happening. But this is the first time the nation's top arbiter of population trends has agreed.
By DAVID PETERSON, Star Tribune
Last update: July 10, 2008 - 7:49 AM
For the first time this decade, the U.S. Census Bureau will report today that the populations of Minnesota's two big central cities, as well as those of a number of their first-ring suburbs, are rising, even as growth in newer suburbs farther out is tapering off.
Throughout the decade, the Census Bureau has recorded population declines in Minneapolis, St. Paul and older suburbs such as Edina, Bloomington, St. Louis Park and Hopkins. But now they and others are on the rise.
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And again, the taxpayers of St Paul carry the rest of Ramsey county. The businesses in St Paul carry almost 30 times the tax burden of the rest of the county. Come again on your bs.
5:55
You actually said I've had all of the common sense educated out of me? Please, just back to beating your wife and lusting after your sister until the both of them flips over you trailer and kill you.
Anybody that knows anything about this country is that education is the best chance for upward mobility. Always- I repeat- Always has been and it takes real loser, and probably jealous individual to discount education.
6:11
I've already used the Duck analogy. You can't even be shitty clever for yourself. I'd tell you to read again and see the the facts show that St Paul is still the anchor of the county in every aspect. You open a business, you going to want to be where the clients/customers/competitors are- St Paul.
This is way over your head so, its OK if all you read are the conjunctions.
11:44
You mean Froggy needs to be hit with a rock. He quacks like a duck and still tries to play like he's not a duck.
later losers,
Your Truly,
Eric
Eric,
Empty words DO NOT make it right.
Volume of empty words DO NOT make it right.
Diverting the argument to some claimed differences between you and Froggy DOES NOT make it right.
Being smart-mouthed DOESN'T make it right.
Being a syncophant DOES NOT make it right.
Strategically trying to get the last word DOESN'T make it right.
Other tactics DO NOT make it right when it's wrong.
Speaking the TRUTH, and being genuinely CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE, DOES MAKE IT RIGHT.
Addressing the HYPOCRISY, the actions of CITY GOONS, and the LONG-TERM DAMAGE they are causing, with their CORRUPT BENEFITS like this DOES MAKE IT RIGHT.
These are real people that are being impacted. How do you sleep at night?
This city doesn't care about anything being right, to them the ends justify the means and if people get hurt, so what? As long as they get what they want in the end, they just flat out don't give a damn.
To continue 8:02's rant:
...and making baseless claims up because some incompetents can't maintain their property,doesn't make it right.
making malice and intent up about circumstance and playing on these peoples ignorance of how government works, doesn't make it right.'
misspelling sycophant doesn't make it right.
To answer your question:
I sleep well at night knowing that schemes and legal procedural scams by landlords who prey on the poor and motivate the ignorant are being stopped dead in their tracks at the gate.
I sleep well knowing that even in your own little world of A-Democracy, you are face with strong opposition by just a couple of us.
I sleep well at night knowing the eventually you can't game the justice system.
I sleep well at night knowing that we are less at least one more problem property in this city.
I sleep well at night knowing the new stats are showing businesses reinvesting in St Paul and people are moving back into the city.
I sleep well knowing that just because you are poor, doesn't mean you have to live without dignity.
Thanks for asking.
Eric
The TRUTH is Eric that a lot of people are being hurt that do not fit your idealized characterizations. Defining all affected people as "Landlords", and then cherry-picking among landlords, DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT.
We'll see how well you sleep in the future Eric. If you think all the things that have been said here.....including the evidence is made up I feel sorry for you. You just keep on sticking your head back in the sand.
St Paul is going to end up with the Froggys and Erics (not counting the lawsuits) living side by side. Even though they think about the same way, they quarrel over petty differences.
I don't think Froggy could afford to live next Eric. Eric would probably move out to Shoreveiw.
Eric,
I don't think Froggy is a landlord as I tangled with him on Landlord issues a few threads earlier. I think he is just a resident of St. Paul.
I agree with you -- he is a racist pig.
Bill Cullen.
I remember hearing that you were president of a landlord group when the city was running affordable housing landlords out of town.What did you do Mr.Cullen?You ran out of town with your tail between your legs.What the city did and continues to do with minorities is something they did on your watch.
Call me a racist.I play statistics.Blacks cause more crime in the city per capita.Thats why the city targets them.Cheaper then law enforcement.So I speak my mind the city does it and I'm the racist.
What have you done Mr.Cullen but cozy up and kiss ass to the local politicians because your affraid of your name being tarnished.
Eric so if I recieve a check from the government I'm trash.How many blacks in the city collect checks?Are they trash.People maybe Eric doesn't mind his own being kicked out to the burbs.
Last post was me.
Froggy
"the legal world is laughing at this (notice the city hasn't even unleashed big guns or hired private attorneys. "
That was thier first mistake, and one they're not going to recover from.
I am an Attorney. A real one.
8:43pm
Since you're a real attorney, where do you find the merits of this case? Legally speaking.
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Bill,
If Froggy is not a landlord then its another example of where the landlords are failing. Are these landlords so into building support that they are willing to let someone like Froggy speak out on their issue without separating him from them? He's been posting since last winter and this is the first time I've seen someone say he's not one of us.
I'll tell you why they didn't, because its not about no other group but their own. They use the possible plight of minorities as a step to a suit but, there is absolutely nothing in their past that show they have ever gave a damn about this population.
As a matter of fact, there is plenty of evidence from the many tenant court disputes that some of these landlords hold disdain and disgust for the very people they rent to. That's why the plantiff's reason of this RICO case are a joke.
The other reason is that we have plenty of low income housing in the city- at least at the same rate that these guys were charging. Plenty of units with some being very new. Giving people options to move out the burbs is good if they can swing it.
So its not the minority low income renter that's being targeted (99% who will testify that they have more problems with their landlord than the city or county), its the landlord with the unkempt property in some neighborhoods. In other neighborhoods they are ok. I said it a year and a half ago, if you want to show that there has been uneven enforcement, you may have a case. The reason is not race, but due to where the property is located. Of course the outcome of that case would be to make sure all property is codes are enforced equally, you'd still have to clean up the shit properties.
Eric
Hoe many of the low income renters who have behavior problems will say they have more problems with teh landlord than the city messing with their right to housing Eric?
Thee's a certain class of renters who barbeque in the front yard, have loud boom boom music all the time from their car and house, stay up all night and keep the neighbors awake with noise, etc. How many of those renters are you and the city so concerned about the saftey of their housing? Or are you bigots just concerned with getting them out of their housing?
Eric said-
(notice the city hasn't even unleashed big guns or hired private attorneys. You're getting your case beat by an assistant attorney- who is awesome.)
I say-
Seeba is foxy too! Can I get in line to be beaten by her too? :)
Bob all due respect look at the blacks in jail per capita,the number of graduation is 50%,the numeber of kids out of wedlock,the number on social programs.You will see that the black race is having the biggest problem in these areas.If you don't believe me Bob post the statistics for everyone to see.Is Billl Cosby a racist too?I've been around the block a couple of times and can understand whats going on.What I think and say is whats going on in the average persons head.
There nothing more I want then the black community to stand up and be responsible.Theres nothing I love more then see a black man or women stand up and be sucessful.
I see Bill can't comment.He must have ran again with his tail between his legs.
Froggy
Eric,
I don’t believe St. Pauls’s actions are motivated by code violations; it is about behavior. Andy Dawkins was open about it. He said problem properties are the intersection of behavior and code enforcement problems. When one acknowledges that every house has SOME code violations, just add a disruptive occupant and the city then uses code enforcement! Occupant behavior should have NOTHING to do with the application of code enforcement. The fact that St. Paul uses behavior puts them in the unfortunate position of having to defend their definition of behavior problems. I suspect the courts will find their actions have a disparate impact on people of color and that is racist. Time will tell.
I have tangled with Froggy in the past – you missed it.
Finally, when Andy was head of code enforcement – and even on this blog – I was open about how code enforcement was both unreasonable and unequal in the application. The unreasonableness will be put under the scrutiny of Morris V Sax. The unequal application continues today as demonstrated in this thread and the treatment of Kalis.
Froggy, you crack me up. You attack me and have the nerve to say I am worried about my name being tarnished while you refuse to post your real name. Hilarious. Your posts are racist and I find them disgusting.
Bill Cullen.
Thee's a certain class of renters who barbeque in the front yard, have loud boom boom music all the time from their car and house, stay up all night and keep the neighbors awake with noise, etc.----
(and you call me a bigot in the same post? That's called irony folks)
Nothing illegal about BBQ, or playing music, or having people over at all times. The only concern is noise and time. Sounds like the cops can handle that is the neighbors call the cops. Maybe if the fines for such disturbance were more strict, the violators would adhere more readily. There are more noise restrictions in the burbs.
These landlords are been continuously cited for repairs and maintenance.
Eric
Eric, It may be true these landlords were continuously cited for code violations; I don’t know. But if those citations were influenced by occupant behavior (as I suspect they were), then the citations may still be driven by race and not code violations. Since code enforcement works by complaint, Froggy, a person openly racist, may be the one determining what building code enforcement investigates (and all housing has some code violations).
Eric, do you support behavior based code enforcement? If so, what behaviors do you think the city should consider a problem? If not, you should be just as outraged as the landlords on this board are.
Bill Cullen.
You're a fuckin jerk Eric and there was nothingn racist about my post just because you seem to recognize a certain group of people in it.
There may not be anything illegal about barbequing in the front yard and having people over at all hours, but the racist white neighbors don't seem to appreciate that culture (or would you prefer diversity in their neighborhood) so they call the city council and code code enforcement to do their racist bidding for them. The enforcement machine then targets and destroys the landlord and the renter moves on to another neighborhood to give government the opportinty to "help out" again.
You are right about one thing though......maybe if there were some fines and responsibility, many of these people would straighten out and the landlords could get on to repairing their property and at least be able to get through the current repair job before it starts etting trashed again.
If landlords have been contiuously cited for repairs, then maybe the city has a renter base that continually destroys the previous repairs the landlord made.
Eric makes the remarks that the lawsuits against the city are all about the landlords and not about the tenants, and that leaves me wondering what the lawsuits should be about. These guys had their business and livlihoods destroyed by a governemnt acting illegaly. What the hell should it be about Eric other than the damage to those lanldords? Are you nuts?
Bob's comment that a lot of us old white guys think like Froggy is balderdash!
That thinking has always stuck out.
What I think is maybe Froggy is angry and blaming others rather than solving his personal issues.
That is a form of intellectual fascism which is not limited to any one group. That intolerance in various forms including arrogance, pomposity, egocentricity, etc. etc. is what is driving the city and its inspections.
The city has become a house of cards with a growing number of lies necessary to coverup past lies. It's unfortuneate because the city used to be a decent place, that I used to believe in - not now!
The city has too many geniuses running around who weren't there to help build it, who want to cash in (steal) the good work of the past for their own stupid agendas.
I do think Eric is nuts lumping me in with landlords and the ricomen.Need I will say it again for the stupid?I'm glad the city got rid of these landlords if who they were renting to were pant sagging thugs who bring down property values and rip up houses.Let the burbs have their fair share huh Repke?I hate landlords who will rent to anybody with cash in hand and will not do backround checks.
I still hope the city puts all landlords out of business soon.I hope they don't miss the chance why the stupid people like Chuck and Eric stand by on idle.
Mr.Cullen I'm not racist.I just don't like thugs who tear up neighborhoods and cause police calls.Behavior is and should be a part of code enforcement.
Froggy
1:32
Lawsuits are also used to change bad laws and rules. Civil RIghts, Employment Laws, Housing laws, Safety standards and other changes in the law have come through lawsuits.
If the victim here is the constitution (because minorities are being targeted), then what should be made whole is the constitution. If the victim are the landlords, then the race or status of their clients is of no matter and you sue for what ever damages you feel you deserve or can get.
We both know this is not about the clients/tenants, as it appears that most of you can barely stand the people you rent to. Its all about money.
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Bill,
Take a look at the landlords who are cited over and over. The behavioral problems could be isolated if there weren't other violations. That's why I don't think they have a leg to stand on, their properties were actually legally cited over and over for repairs and maintenance. It hard for someone to cry victim when they are victimizing.
Froggy says once again 'quack, quack, quack', and then he wonders why we call him a duck as he waddles from post to post.
Eric
"We both know this is not about the clients/tenants, as it appears that most of you can barely stand the people you rent to. Its all about money"
That's right asshole. It is all about the money. Money for damages for businesses ruined by illegal governemnt acts. What people think about the people they rent to is fo no significance in this argument. Your trying to mix apples and oranges to once again make landlords fit you stereotype image. I hope someone destroys your livilihood sometime in your lifetime so you can know how it feels.
Oh and by the way Eric.....the race of the person being rented to is significant. Those landlords suing the city have the same civil rights protections as the people being rented to because of their business association with them. Maybe you just don't like people who provide housing to black people Eric.
Eric,
It might be right that the landlords were “cited over and over”; I don’t know.
But I caution you to be careful with resting on the volume of citations. That is not always reflective of the condition of a building. The severity of the citations will tell you more.
My experience is that many of the citations are minor (or tenant created) or St. Paul is demanding updates which are not justified in the State building code (as Morris V Sax found).
But even with volumes of citations, they still could have been found due to continuous behaviorial complaints from Froggy and his friends.
Regards, Bill Cullen.
Eric you being so educated should know that who he/she rents to as a protected class also gets their protection.
I doubt you know of the ricomen properties that were cited.If you know of them lets hear the addresses and I'll take pictures so we can see if they are deteriated like Thunes,Repkes and Kalis.Whats so bizaar is you talk about blight but when we show you a blighting influence that is offered by someone within the city you say fine.You can't have it both way Eric.Blight is blight.
Eric if you know code enlighten us on what blight is and when code enforcement should be called in?
Froggy you and your type of people are why the city is all messed up and affordable housing is scarce.You make me sick.
Tim Ciani
eric,
Your friend Johnny howard is being
Inspected on Monday At 1:00 P.M..
By the City attorney and Lisa M..
The word on the street is the final move by the city to take or
cost him deeply.
I was told also, that cdc and Distict planning council 7 Exe. Dir. will be there too. Backing Johnny.
I was told I try tohelp him the city will go after me Next.
I just do not know if I should risk. I told Johnny That today.
It is a done deal for johnny.
More landlord going to wayside.
Maybe you and chuck can go there and help the city. To tell Johnny that he needs fix up his property.
Which it does not need. But only to bring it up to 2008 state code.
Look like another lawsuit going be file soon.
Maybe Bob J. can show up too.
and see how the city attoreny does
his job. And report iy to us.
it.
Tim and bill
Maybe you two show up too.
To the Johnny Howard Inspection
on monday At 1:00 P.M. 642 Van Buren Ave
Sparl Monthly Educational Metting
July 15,2008
Annual Update From City of Saint
Paul. Department Of Safety & Inspections.
Location: 1275 Magnoloa ave , St.Paul MN 55106
Cost Sparl Members ---Free Guest --$10.00
OOPs
Time is 7-9 P.M.
SPARL?
Is that a joke or something?
$10.00 for a guest?
These are the poeple that sat by and did nothing while this situation with the city spiraled out of control. I know someone who goes to some of the meetings and they have never even mentioned what the city is doing. I don't know who they represent, but it's certinly nopt landlords in the city of St. Paul. Who'd waste their time listening to anything these people have to say?
Did I miss something? Who is Johnny Howard and what is happening to him?
Bill Cullen.
Johnny Howard is a community activist and former head of one of the Neighborhood District Councils in Frogtown......the District Council who thought it was a great idea 15 years ago to start the "Commuity Prosecution" plan to target and criminalize landlords. Now he finds himself being targeted by the same type of program they thought was good to target other people with. Isn't it funny how what goes round finally comes around!
Johnny Howar
List of Activity...
Number Address Description Details Status
07 034144 000 00 CO 642 VAN BUREN AVE Certificate of Occupancy
Type: Residential
Occupancy Type: Dwelling Units
Residential Units: 1
Class: C
Renewal Due Date: Mar 5, 2007
05/02/2008: Condemned/Occupied
03/20/2008: Revoked/Occupied
03/07/2008: Revoked/Occupied
12/21/2007: Revoked/Occupied
06/29/2007: No Entry (no fee)
05/22/2007: Correction Orders
Condemned/Occupied
06 035816 RSN 00 SS 642 VAN BUREN AVE LOT 6 PW Sewer Permit
Type: Sanitary
Work Type: Repair
Entered on: 02/17/2006
Closed on: 04/18/1985 Finaled
02 235857 S&C 00 E 642 VAN BUREN AVE Electrical Permit
Type: Service & Circuits Residential Repair/Alter
Issued Date: 10/30/2002
Final Date: 11/22/2002
Contractor: Mettler Electric, Inc
Estimated Value: $110.00
Activity (most recent first):
MAIN-Electrical Inspection: 11/22/2002: Final
11/18/2002: No Entry - Notice
Finaled
02 235361 GAS 00 M 642 VAN BUREN AVE Mechanical Permit
Type: Gas Residential Replace
Issued Date: 10/29/2002
Final Date: 01/03/2003
Contractor: Anderson Htg & A/C, Inc.
Estimated Value: $500.00
Activity (most recent first):
MAIN-Mechanical Inspection: 12/12/2002: Final
11/21/2002: Correction Letter
Finaled
02 235359 WRM 00 W 642 VAN BUREN AVE Warm Air, Ventilation & General Sheet
Type: Warm Air Only Residential Replace
Issued Date: 10/29/2002
Final Date: 11/22/2002
Contractor: Anderson Htg & A/C, Inc.
Estimated Value: $1,500.00
Activity (most recent first):
MAIN-Warm Air/VentilationInspection: 11/21/2002: Final
Finaled
02 232548 EXP 00 B 642 VAN BUREN AVE Closed without final approval Building Permit
Type: Single Family Dwelling Express Repair
Issued Date: 10/21/2002
Final Date: 10/30/2002
Contractor: Added Value Exteriors Inc
State Valuation: $4,050.00
Activity (most recent first):
Final Inspection: 10/29/2002: Permit Closed
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I'm sorry to hear that Johnny Howard is having problems with the city. He started with crap in Frogtown, and was a miracle worker - coming down strongly against drugs, while making solid gains towards an inclusive community of diverse people.
Johnny is a friend and this is disturbing. Johnny was sitting next me at the RICO hearing I showed up for in Minneapolis back in April. I haven't heard from him on this but he does have my number.
Johnny knows the same people I do including the current council member. I think this is an example of your charge of the city looking out for its own being debunked yet again. If it was true, Chuck, Thune, Chief Harrington and others who have some connection with the city of local DFL would not have been cited for code violations. How do you explain that?
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Tim, I don't have a definition for blight. Look over my posts in the past, you'll see me advocating for uniform enforcement. Blight in St Anthony Park, Merriam Park, Highland, Mac-Groveland should be the same in West 7th, Payne Phalen, Hillcrest, Frost Lake, Arlington, Frogtown and Conway neighborhoods. That's what I'm for.
And, you are not protected for renting to protected classes, you are given breaks on taxes and guarantees toward rent for renting to protected classes in this case.
Eric
6:59 PM wrote:
"That's right asshole. It is all about the money. Money for damages for businesses ruined by illegal governemnt acts. What people think about the people they rent to is fo no significance in this argument. Your trying to mix apples and oranges to once again make landlords fit you stereotype image. I hope someone destroys your livilihood sometime in your lifetime so you can know how it feels."
I know its about money. I said it from the beginning.
As far as destroying my livelihood, I got an education so that I can make adjustments and jump into another career or start over again if anything happens to my career now. I've done it before and may well do it again.
I read somewhere that my generation will be involved in four different careers and hold six different jobs over our working lifetime. We also do more volunteering and leisure activities so tying our 'livelihood' into one small sector of our lives is not likely.
You made these choices and ignored obvious warnings and cared little for your clients. You got what you had coming to you but, keep hoping for negative things to happen to me. It seems a worthy use of your time. I can tell you that I won't think about you beyond this post.
Eric
Eric so are you saying that I'm a landlord renting to minorities only and the city refuses to a C of O because I rent to minorities that I don't have a claim for discrimination as a white landlord.Check state law and get back to me.
I'm also for equal enforcement.The city has not and will not enforce code on equal standards.They are using behavior to target enforcement.The city and Dawkins have acknowledged this.
Thune, Kalis, Dawkins and Harrington should not have had to be turned in for code violations.They are on the top and they should have known better not to have code issues.Eric these folks would still have code issues if it wasn't for the propety rights guys and myself turning them in.It wasn't like they were found on a sweep or an independant inspection.
Tim Ciani
Tim Ciani
johnny inspection id done .
And only five thing were found to be fix.
1. outlet with tape Around outlet.
2.Pluming to cert.. they said that will check the plumbing inspector.
3. three plug in outlet
4. Little paint missing on back deck. It only paint coverit.
5. Garage door bottom pannel to replace.
There was quetion about electic to be cert.They drop that.
Asked Johnny if he did any plumbling at the place. He said No.
I forgot a surge protct also was used by tenant. And they said is a code voiatlion too..
To me its like good place. clean and neat. Well if they are going take his CO for that. That is bullshit.
I forgrt one thing .
Air mattress use lend up against the basewall. They said it was bedroomin basement and no window.
"And, you are not protected for renting to protected classes, you are given breaks on taxes and guarantees toward rent for renting to protected classes in this case."
You don't really believe the above statement do you Eric? You hold yourself up to be much smarter than this. Anyone doing business with or providing a service to minnorities has the same protections against discrimination as if the whilte landlords were themselves african americans. The city violated those protections. They're called civil rights Eric and you're a damn idiot.
I think the city is now threatened by the things that built it. Johnny Howard's courage, hope, integrity and common sense make him a marked man.
What the city wants to see are turncoat, jive talking idiots - they are an embarrassment that will be swept out later.
Come on people.
Sure there is white RICO plaintiffs.
There are others-
a black woman among the RICO plaintiffs
an oreintal
a black man
"a landlord renting to minorities only and the city refuses to a C of O because I rent to minorities that I don't have a claim for discrimination as a white landlord."
NO. And just like EVERYTHING else that surrounds this blog, you all are talking about simple everyday things that you are still not smart enough (eighth grade level) to even regurgitate.
Fair Housing is Federal Law. If you are refused a c of o because of your tenants- then yes there is a discrimination case. Its not a case for money though. There were several of them in the last decade, find me ONE in this country where the money went to the landlord. The city is sanctioned, and the tenants are made whole, and people are fired and codes are changed with the feds looking over their shoulder.
maybe the landlords are given some settlement but, with all of the vacancy in St Paul, you'll have a tough time convincing anyone your places would have been full this entire time.
5:29
The irony is not lost when you call me a 'damn fool', and in the same post showing yourself to be pretty foolish.
You over-reached with this RICO case and dragged in some good people who probably had some legitimate complaints and brought them down too. Unfortunately the damn fools are the ones depending on these RICO charges to deliver the day for them.
The city is has lots of vacant affordable housing units and lots of affordable housing units filled with minority and poor renters. As a matter of fact, thanks to Bush and his economy, there are more now than ten years ago. So, where is this push to remove the poor minorities? Who is at the head of this agenda (a name- not some entity) and who benefits? Who? Who? Who?
Eric
"an oriental"?
More enlightened commentary from the representatives of RICO.
What decade are you in? Or, is this Froggy?
Eric
It's not going to be pretty for you at the end Eric. Your going to have a lot of crow to eat.
9:26
I've got nothing in this situation one way or another. So, I'll still be pretty in the end no matter the outcome.
Eric
no one wants to looking into this matter.
They just do not care about the law.
Police said it is civil matter.
The sheriff said it city matter.
The ag said they only handle lawsuits for the state.
The gov. said its local matter.
Police said contract City attoreny.
contract the mayor office and city council.
The city attoreny said the they can not discussed it.
The mayor office said we will have someone from dsi to talk to you.
The ciy council for ward 1 ward 5 said we can not discussed until city att. gave us perssion.
OK so, who the hell do you talk to about the city breaking the Law??
This goes hand in hand with the city shredding inspection reports and destroying email evidence. As long as they don't have to talk to you then they don't have to admit anything about their illegal actions. They've got the bases covered and they laugh at you the minute they ahng up the phone. Don't ask, don't tell, don't explain and you don't get into trouble is the city motto. They can never talk about anything regardless about what it is. They always pass the buck.
11:11
You seem to have expanded your conspiracy to the county and state officials and employees as well. You're beyond retarded.
Let me use your logic:
I think you murdered your wife and child and you should be put to death. Well, if you didn't where are they? What do you mean you were never married? You expect me to believe that? Prove it. Show me your tax returns from 23 years ago. Where's your proof you were never married? You are a murderer and should be put to death!
5:27
The cops gave the right answer at first, its civil matter. So, you get an attorney and put a case together.
You could also go to the feds of whom I given names, numbers and departments to the people on this blog several times in the last year and no one has done anything.
It looks like you went to Carter and Helgen's office when the property is not in their district.
I wonder if you inability to even articulate as simple as your complaint has something to do with the lack of response.
Eric
Eric said-
You could also go to the feds of whom I given names, numbers and departments to the people on this blog several times in the last year and no one has done anything.
* Eric, you were told here more than once many of us have complained to the feds. Verbally and in writing. We believe they are investigating. In fact some of us feel they read this blog to gather evidence.
ERic,
You are wrong . The proprty is in Ward 1, and I live in ward 5.
Ok so, you are going to give $10,000.00 to file the lawsuit.
I so not have that type of money.
11:11,
So the process may be working? I assume you are not one of the ones bitching about conspiracy. However, if they are reading this blog then they know these people are doing nothing but trying to game the system and using the uninformed as their attack dogs. So, don't expect them to exert any federal tax dollars to pro-long this dogless pony show.
11:59
I'm talking about 1179 E. 7th, you know the property this article is about? I sure hope you're talking about something else, if not, your words alone show how foolish you really are and why you can't get help (but clearly need it in other areas). That property is not in Wards 1 or 5. It's nowhere near there.
Eric
It takes less than 500 dollars to file a suit.
Go get'em!
Eric
I am talking about how ths city is try f---k Johnny H.
Foe Lawyer fees. Because the city will it delay for years.
You check your facts. And a Lawyer
on how much it will cost. I did do that . Mr Asshole.
Its sound that you just ajerk.
You and chuck will see when it comes the end. You and chuck will be looking for new jobs. will be kiss ass to the people of St.Paul.
5:34
How do you know what I do? How do you know I don't set the fee of what it costs to file a suit?
Unless you're Nancy, you're going to have to get someone to handle your case and most lawyers who practice torts will take it on a contingency basis.
You and I both know that you don't have a case and the only attorneys who would take it are busy with the RICO case.
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Leslie, I guess your foul mouthed murder of the English written language is only eclipsed by your bad memory. I don't work for the city or even in the city. I have a career not a 'job', which means I can do what I'm educated, trained and experienced doing almost anywhere. I've got nothing tied to this RICO or any case before the city.
When this thing comes to an end, I'll probably have some more ex-landlords to support as you all will be broke without income and on the government dole yourselves. Standing in the same lines as some of your former tenants.
Eric
I filed my complaint concerning this structure. Below is a copy of the complaint. I provided a link to this topic in the complaint.
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Checking the city website I see they haven't even registered my complaint.
I am not a guy that takes being blowen off lightly. I intend to use this story and others in the "A Democracy News Letter" to expose these scoundrels for who they are.
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