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"A lot of people looked at late-night TV, thought they could be an investor and bought," said Olson.
Hmmm I thought you guys said that this was just a Saint Paul problem and that all of these vacancies were caused by Randy Kelly and Steve Magner. What, you mean there is a national problem?
The Saint Paul housing inpectors have been shutting down places all over the country? My god the inhumanity!
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
What you don't seem to want to grasp is that Dawkins and Kelly set out to target property owners and create vacant houses. They increased the number of vacant properties before the foreclosure epidemic even started. Unfortunately, the cities attitude hasn't changed much, nor has the requirements for bringing a house out of the vacant status. Change is needed to alleviate the problem, but I wouldn't expect much help from the current administration.
But Henry, the question is why? It is amazing to hear with such assuridy that Dawkins and Kelly were trying to make properties vacant, but to what end?
You are correct, I don't get it! All of these claims of conspiracy and no one can give me a logical answer (one where you don't need tin foil on your head to get the message) as to why they would want to close down certain landlords.
They are both gone now, what did they get out of it?
Sounds to me like all they tried to do was to enforce the law.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
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My guess would be the deconcentration of the poor.
1. Sharon - the county picked up that building on Plato from the mortgage company... the plan is to sell the old West buildings at some point I believe.
2. Henry - not enough tin foil yet - how would putting a few landlords out of business in a city the size of Saint Paul "deconsentrate poverty?"
Let's say it was a couple of hundred houses that were condemned (though I'm guessing less than 100) during the four years Kelly was in office. How would that have any impact and who would benefit?
Like I have said there is no there - there! There is no logic to the landlords case. No benefit to anyone to go after them for any other reason but the real one, the properties were in need of repair.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
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The county is in on every thing they can, to get this property on the west side flats where the land they made the people sell to the city in 1965 after the flood.
We the people that once lived in this fine area of St.Paul, we could just walk a block or two to get to the Mississippi River.
Now St.Paul want to develop the flats to bring in higher taxes for the city budget.
Just so people like Repke can come along and make money from city tax dollars that the middle to poorer class people pay.
When Chuck was Thune's aide, he must of made a few connections in the development bushiness to be swinging deals with land on the east side of St.Paul like he does.
Some of these deals are being made with tax money, is this one of the shady deals.
The Bridge's Development was and still is a shady deal with the city.
Chris Coleman let his law licence laps, is that when they are caught with their finger in the cookie jar he will stay out of the big house by saying he didn't know better?
Repke Dawkins was in agreement that the city has targeted business owners(landlords and bar owners)due to their black tenants or patrons.That was in the paper.Do you believe everything you read?
And if you only think 100 houses were condemned under Kelly you need to wake up.
A question for you Repke.Have you noticed that there are more minorities living on the west end of town?Well I have and its because the city targeted the eastside so hard they displaced many black tenants and they deconcentrated.The city hoped they would go alittle further then the west end though.
Repke Dawkins was in agreement that the city has targeted business owners(landlords and bar owners)due to their black tenants or patrons.That was in the paper.Do you believe everything you read?
And if you only think 100 houses were condemned under Kelly you need to wake up.
A question for you Repke.Have you noticed that there are more minorities living on the west end of town?Well I have and its because the city targeted the eastside so hard they displaced many black tenants and they deconcentrated.The city hoped they would go alittle further then the west end though.
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Is everyone here insane?
They didn't just target a few hundred houses Chuck. They targeted a few hundred houses that were available to the minorites and now they are not available to those same minorites because the people that owned them could not afford the $50,000.00 code compliance. Also, those few hundred houses were owned by a relativlely small number of people who were singled out and targeted by the city, and if you think they were not, just call your buddy Kathy Lantry and ask her. Now the only questions is wether the landlords can prove that there was targeting and singleing out of people going on. Ya think they can prove it Chuck? Wanna bet some money?
7:11 - and the winner is?
To have a RICO case be successful that is the question you haven't answered. Even if everything you said was true (and it isn't)but even if it was, you still haven't said who benefitted. In order to have racketteering somebody has to get something out of it.
Cleary you aren't dumb enough to think that the few houses that were condemned by the City changed the racial make up of the City (it didn't) and at least in their other efforts the City seemed interested in attracting and maintaining minority populations so it isn't a racial assault. So, the landlords have to show racketteering that somebody lost (them) and somebody gained (fill in the blank). Again other than a truck load of plywood, nobody has said where anyone ever gained anything.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
The city trying to attract other tenants is just a front Repke....the city wants the Federal money that goes with these people and after the money is spent they throw them to the curb.
Good try Chuck, but . . .
Inspections and other city people have gotten big raises, and promotions. Others have been forced out. Some left because their morality got in the way.
Huge money is involved in condemned houses. Arbitrary inspections practices have enabled some people to make a lot of money.
Enabling the German Nazi regime was made possible by collaborators and people in self denial. Collaborators were rewarded handsomely.
Chuck, you impress me as part of each group. Search your conscience and see if you are following in the direction of Sargeant Schulz on the old Hogan's Heroes TV series, "I know nothing . . . nothing . . ."
7:57 - Oh, I get it now, Mayor Kelly and Andy Dawkins risked their personal and political careers to give Steve Magner a raise! Its so simple, why didn't I figure that out before!
Tin foil, you need more tin foil 7:57. Kelly could have put Magner in charge of the entire department or gave him a large raise, without one code compliance inspection being done.
Come on folks its a major conspiracy between all of these people in City government to take property away from a group of targetted landlords to benefit ...... (Steve Magner getting a raise? Steve Magner getting a load of used plywood? Some unkowned unnamed contractor that might buy distressed property?).
Sounds pretty silly to me.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Wrong again Chuck,
Magner is just the tip of the iceberg of cynical entrenched bureaucrats who have gotten enough power to call the shots. I expect they have power to pull enough strings to reward you for your support.
Chuck, just like the oppressed in Nazi Germany, people are important. This applies to everyone, not just bureaucrats and crooked, stupid politicians.
You sound sillier by the minute.
At the time Chuck they didn't think it was a risk. Who in the world would think that someone would take on the city over code repairs? They thought they'd get away with it, but they did it to so many people that they finally found the wrong ones to start a fight with.
One last time for a RICO crime someone has to get something from the loss. When someone lost their house, who got something of value.
Calling them Nazi's isn't getting them anything. It can't just be people getting paid for doing their job or being pricks. There has to be a direct benefit of the loss.
JMONTOMPPOF
Chuck Repke
Get real Chuck. Until the city stops punishing the landlords for the behavior of the tenants we will continue to see the Nazi team devasting landlords by making their investments worthless. Landlords are expected to have a crystal ball and know everything wrong the tenants are doing. But the reality is that a landlord is not notified when police are called out to the properties they own. A landlord is denied access to read or obtain a police report on properties they own in St Paul if they aren't present when the police come out. If Mpls PD can notify their landlords then why can't St Paul. Why can't the city work with the landlords instead of against them?
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