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15, 2007
United States District Court – District of Minnesota VIA ECF
Honorable Susan Richard Nelson – Chambers
United States Magistrate Judge, 9E U.S. Courthouse
300 South Fourth Street
Minneapolis, MN 55415
RE: Steinhauser, et al., vs. Randy Kelly, et al.: File No. 04-2632 – JNE/SRN
Harrilal, et al. vs. Magner, et. al. : File No. 05-461– JNE/SRN
Gallagher, et al. vs. Magner, et. al. : File No. 05-1348– JNE/SRN
Dear Magistrate Judge Nelson:
Counsel for the Plaintiffs in the three consolidated cases noted above are submitting this letter brief pursuant to the Court’s Order dated June 14, 2007, filed herein.
Plaintiffs originally filed their joint motion to compel discovery from the Defendants on March 15, 2007. Counsel for the parties have “met and conferred” on a number of occasions in an attempt to resolve all outstanding discovery issues.
One discovery issue remaining from the March 15, 2007, joint motion to compel has not been resolved and it is on this issue that the Plaintiffs herein are seeking assistance of the Court.
BACKGROUND
Prior to the close of discovery, Plaintiffs requested the personal cell phone records, tax returns and bank records of Defendant Steve Magner. Plaintiffs’ specifically requested Defendant Magner to produce: “The state and federal and state tax returns, personal bank records, and personal cell phone records for Defendants Steve Magner for the years 1999 through 2006.” See Defendants’ Response to Plaintiffs’ Request for Production of Documents (Set II) in
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Steinhauser, et al., Response No. 9, attached as Exhibit 6 to the Affidavit of John R. Shoemaker; and Defendants’ Response to Plaintiffs Harrilal and Johnson’s Request for Production of Documents, No. 46, attached as Exhibit 7 to the Affidavit of John R. Shoemaker.
Defendants have objected to production of these personal documents on the basis that the request seeks “information which is irrelevant, immaterial and not likely to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence and requests information protected by the Minnesota Government Data Practices Act, Minn. Stat. 13.43, Subd.4, as non-public.” See Defendants’ Response No. 9 (Steinhauser, et al.), attached as Exhibit 6 to the Affidavit of John R. Shoemaker; and Defendants’ Response, No. 46 (Harrilal, et al), attached as Exhibit 7 to the Affidavit of John R. Shoemaker.
ISSUE
The discovery issue presented is whether it is proper to compel the production of Defendant Magner’s personal tax returns, bank records and cell phone records, a supervisor of vacant buildings for the Neighborhood Housing and Property Improvement office (N.H.P.I.) of St. Paul and a member of the Problem Property Unit of N.H.P.I.
Plaintiffs submit that discovery of Mr. Magner’s tax returns, bank records and cell phone records is reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence. Plaintiffs in all three cases have brought RICO claims against Mr. Magner and other employees and officials.
ANALYSIS
1.
Defendant’s Objection on the Grounds of Scope of Discovery.
Plaintiffs’ request for such documents is within the scope of discovery, is relevant, material and likely to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence under Rule 26 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
Federal Rule of Civil Procedure Rule 26 provides that:
Rule 26. General Provisions Governing Discovery; Duty of Disclosure.
(b) Discovery Scope and Limits. Unless otherwise limited by order of the court in accordance with these rules, the scope of discovery is as follows:
(1) In General. Parties may obtain discovery regarding any matter, not privileged, that is relevant to the claim or defense of any party, including
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the existence, description, nature, custody, condition, and location of any books, documents, or other tangible things and the identity and location of persons having knowledge of any discoverable matter. For good cause, the court may order discovery of any matter relevant to the subject matter involved in the action. Relevant information need not be admissible at the trial if the discovery appears reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence (emphasis added).
Given the nature of the claims against Defendant Magner as detailed in the Plaintiffs’ complaints, including Fair Housing and RICO claims, his tax, banking and personal cell phone records meet the discovery scope as promulgated by the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
The Steinhauser, Harrilal and Gallager Complaints include two counts each based upon the federal RICO statute, 18 U.S.C. Section 1961, et seq. Many of the sections of Count I include claims that arguably make production of Magner’s personal records discoverable in light of the evidence that Plaintiffs are providing to the Court.
For example, the Steinhauser, et al. Plaintiffs allege in Count I, Paragraph No. 213 ( a ) that, “Defendants pattern of racketeering activity consisted of: Said Defendants’ extortion, or attempts, or conspiracy to do so, …under color or official right, in interference with interstate commerce, that was designed to extract direct or indirect personal rewards from Plaintiffs, if and when Plaintiffs refused to turn over or succumb to Defendants’ demands for illegal Code compliance, control of the Plaintiffs’ properties,…said racketeering activity interfered with the rights of plaintiffs to honest government services, and damaged Plaintiff in their property or businesses;”.
To establish a RICO claim, Plaintiffs must allege and prove a “pattern of racketeering activity”. A plaintiff may establish a sufficiently continuous pattern of racketeering by proving that the acts of racketeering are a regular way of conducting the defendant’s ongoing legitimate business. H.J. Inc. v. Northwestern Bell Telephone Co., 492 U.S. 229, 239 (1989); Corley v. Rosewood Care Center, Inc. of Peoria, 142 F.3d 1041, 1049 (7th Cir.1998). If acts of racketeering injure only one victim, or a few victims, courts are reluctant to hold that the acts of racketeering have become the defendant’s regular way of doing business. See, e.g., Giuliano v. Fulton, 399 F.3d 381, 391 (1st Cir.2005); First Capital Asset Management, Inc. v. Satinwood, Inc., 385 F.3d 159, 182 (2d Cir. 2004). If racketeering acts are a regular way in which the defendant does business, one would expect injury to multiple victims. Accordingly, courts have held that “plaintiffs properly may allege acts of related fraud against other victims to
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establish a pattern of racketeering activity.” GE Investment Private Placement Partners II v. Parker, 247 F.3d 543, 548 (4th Cir. 2001).
The Federal District Court for the Eastern District of New York has held that where claims of fraud, unjust enrichment, and Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) conspiracy were brought against physicians who allegedly performed unnecessary diagnostic testing on automobile insurer's insureds, the physician's financial records, including tax returns, were discoverable as relevant to show that the physicians profited from the willingness to order tests that were billed to an insurer as reimbursable personal injury protection (PIP) benefits by medical clinics. See State Farm Mut. Auto. Ins. Co. v. CPT Medical Services, P.C, 375 F.Supp.2d 141 (E.D.N.Y.2005).
The Federal District for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania has held that given the broad definition of "relevance" articulated in Rule of Civil Procedure pertaining to discovery, financial records requested by a plaintiff from a defendant were relevant in a civil RICO action against the defendant and members of his family, where the financial records pertained to the transaction involving family members and the suit was based on their allegedly fraudulent transactions. See Constitution Bank v. Levine, 151 F.R.D. 278 (E.D.Pa.1993).
Punitive damages are also being sought against Defendant Magner in all three of the Plaintiffs’ suits. Where punitive damages are claimed, defendant's financial condition is relevant to the subject matter of the action and it is thus a proper subject of pretrial discovery. See Miller v. Doctor's General Hospital, 76 F.R.D. 136 (W.D.Okla.1977). The Federal District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania held that financial data, including a manufacturer's total sales revenue and its financial statements, was relevant to and, thus discoverable on the issue of punitive damages in a products liability case without prior proof of a prima facie case on punitive damages. See Caruso v. Coleman Co., 157 F.R.D. 344 (E.D.Pa.1994).
In support of Plaintiffs’ motion, Plaintiffs rely on the following exhibits which support the position that Defendant Steve Magner’s tax, bank and cell phone records are appropriate for discovery.
1.
Defendant Magner’s relationship with contractor Wally Nelson and Renovation, Inc.
During the period of 2002 and thereafter, Mr. Magner was a supervisor of Defendant Inspector Lisa Martin and also was the head inspector in charge of all vacant buildings for the City. Plaintiffs Steve Johnson, Bee and Lamena Vue, the
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Dadder’s entities, Troy Allison and Jeff and Sara Kubitschek were subject to the “vacant building” supervision of Mr. Magner during this period.
Mr. Magner testified that as a vacant building supervisor he was privy to a great deal of personal and financial information of owners of single family and duplex property owners required at his direction to undergo expensive certification of Code Compliances. See Magner’s Deposition Volume I, pages 48-50, exhibit 1 to Engel Affidavit.
Plaintiffs claim that Mr. Magner has personally benefited from his transfer of “inside” knowledge to Wally Nelson who has purchased a great deal of distressed single family and duplex homes under Magner’s control. In fact, Mr. Magner has admitted that Mr. Nelson has purchased a great number of properties that are subject to Mr. Magner’s control and supervision. See Magner’s Deposition Volume II, pages 266-267, exhibit 2 to Engel Affidavit.
Mr. Magner admitted that he has known Wally Nelson for many years, that he and Mr. Nelson have a long standing practice of frequent social contacts, and that Mr. Nelson has provided construction services to Mr. Magner’s father on his homestead located in Stillwater, across the road from Steve Magner‘s homestead. See Magner’s Deposition Volume I, page 75, exhibit 1 to Engel Affidavit; See Magner’s Deposition Volume II, pages 137-138, exhibit 2 to Engel Affidavit.
Mr. Nelson admitted that his business partner had performed new construction services for Mr. Magner’s father’s new home in Stillwater for $10,000.00. See Nelson’s Deposition, pages 35-39, exhibit 3 to Engel Affidavit. Mr. Nelson also admitted to having assisted Mr. Magner’s father lay sod. See Nelson’s Deposition, page 87, exhibit 3 to Engel Affidavit.
Mr. Magner was also unable to recall having refinanced his home three times in a seven month period on 9/25/03, 1/16/04, and 4/23/04 (See Magner’s Deposition Volume II, pages 142-149, exhibit 2 to Engel Affidavit), after having testified earlier in the day that he had only executed one mortgage on his property (See Magner’s Deposition Volume I, page 81, exhibit 1 to Engel Affidavit).
2.
A ffidavit of Nancy Osterman.
Nancy Osterman has provided a sworn Affidavit filed in Ramsey County District Court, dated June 22, 2005, attached as Exhibit 2 to the Affidavit of John R. Shoemaker. Ms. Osterman stated that as an owner of 14 Jessamine East, her home was condemned and a code compliance demanded by Steve Magner. After she had performed substantial repairs on her home totaling about $10,000, Steve Magner told her that he would not allow her to complete the renovation but she
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would be required to sell her home to someone of Mr. Magner’s choosing. Magner told her if she refused to sell her home according to his terms, her home would be demolished. See Paragraphs 8-10, Affidavit of Nancy Osterman.
3.
Affidavit of Julian Jayasuriya.
Julian Jayasuriya has provided a sworn Affidavit filed in Ramsey County District Court, dated June 22, 2005, attached as Exhibit 3 to the Affidavit of John R. Shoemaker. Mr. Jayasuriya states that he purchased a property owned by Nancy Osterman in 2003 after Ms. Osterman informed him that Inspector Magner, who had condemned her home, had then threatened to demolish her home if she did not sell her home to a buyer of Magner’s choosing at a price drastically below the fair market value of her home at the time. See Paragraphs 5 and 6, Affidavit of Julian Jayasuriya. Mr. Jayasuriya states that he purchased Ms. Osterman’s home for approximately $90,000 in value. Paragraph 5, Affidavit of Julian Jayasuriya. Mr. Jayasuriya stated that Inspector Magner has on occasion threatened him with dire consequences including condemnation of his properties when Mr. Jayasuriya expressed disagreement with Magner’s methods of code enforcement of ethics. See Paragraph 7, Affidavit of Julian Jayasuriya. Mr. Jayasuriya meet with the St. Paul City Council on June 15, 2005, and states that no one from the City ever answered his questions as to who was really benefiting from the forced demolition of his property or how Inspector Magner could operate his own real estate placement firm or tie forcing sales of properties into Code Compliance. See Paragraph 16, Affidavit of Julian Jayasuriya. Mr. Jayasuriya stated that it was his belief that the City has a problem controlling Inspector Magner and other code enforcement, Paragraph 17, Affidavit of Julian Jayasuriya, and that Mr. Jayasuriya was concerned that Magner may be able to continue to retaliate against him for not giving into his demands that Magner control the sale of14 Jessamine or other properties, under cover of enforcing City Codes. See Paragraph 21, Affidavit of Julian Jayasuriya.
4.
Statement of Douglas Hayes.
Douglas Hayes has provided a notarized statement dated June 10, 2007, wherein he supports the claims made by Nancy Osterman in her affidavit. See Exhibit 4 to the Affidavit of John R. Shoemaker. Mr. Hayes was living with Nancy Osterman at her home at 14 Jessamine at the time the home was subject to the condemnation and code compliance requirement. Page 1, Statement of Douglas Hayes. Mr. Hayes worked on trying to meet Inspector Magner’s code compliance demands. Magner stopped by the house periodically to check on the progress. Magner eventually told Hayes that he might as well quit working on the home as the home will go to the City Council and the home will be demolished. Page 3, Statement of Douglas Hayes. Mr. Hayes informed Magner that he and
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Ms. Osterman were thinking of selling the home. Magner replied that they could not just sell the home to anyone but that they had to sell their home to someone Magner had worked with before. Page 3, Statement of Douglas Hayes. Magner told Hayes that if he and Osterman did not sell the home to someone he had worked with they would be left with a hole in the ground. Page 4, Statement of Douglas Hayes. Magner told Hayes that Magner knew a guy who he had worked with before who buys vacant homes and was someone who could get the work done. Page 4, Statement of Douglas Hayes. Magner told Hayes that he and Osterman should take whatever they could get or they would be left with a hole in the ground. Hayes then called the buyer that Magner suggested and that buyer came to the 14 Jessamine home to look it over while Hayes was present. Page 4, Statement of Douglas Hayes. Hayes showed the buyer the code compliance inspection report, and the buyer then prepared a purchase agreement proposal to buy the home for $40,000.00 that he handed to Hayes. Page 4, Statement of Douglas Hayes. Hayes states that he and Osterman rejected the proposal because the home was worth approximately $150,000.00. Pages 4 and 5, Statement of Douglas Hayes. Hayes says that the Purchase Agreement dated 8-15-03 that is attached to his statement is the same purchase agreement presented to him by Magner’s buyer. Page 5, Statement of Douglas Hayes. Wally Nelson admitted in his deposition that this Purchase Agreement was in fact his purchase proposal. See Nelson’s Deposition, pages 79-80, exhibit 3 to Engel Affidavit.
5.
Affidavit of Lois Jacobs.
Lois Jacobs, a St. Paul property owner, employed in the real estate business, has provided a sworn Affidavit dated June 11, 2007, attached as Exhibit 5, to the Affidavit of John R. Shoemaker. Ms. Jacobs details her experience with Steve Magner during 2004 and thereafter. Ms. Jacobs owns a home located at 1008 Farrington Street that she purchased for her grandson to live in. She says that her home was in good condition. In May 2004, her home was condemned by the City because the electricity had been turned off for non-payment. See Paragraph 3, Affidavit of Lois Jacobs. Even though Ms. Jacobs paid the overdue bill, the City would not remove the condemnation. She says that after her home was condemned, Inspector Magner told her that her home could not be re-occupied until she completed a code compliance. See Paragraph 4, Affidavit of Jacobs. Following the inspection results of the code compliance inspection, Ms. Jacobs discovered that she would have approximately $32,000.00 in renovations costs. She also states that she had considerable expenses in repairing damages caused to her doors and windows from forced entries and boarding by the City. While Ms. Jacobs home was under Inspector Magner’s control, he offered to buy her home for $50,000.00 cash. Ms. Jacobs refused his offer. See Paragraph 5, Affidavit of Jacobs. Ms. Jacobs states that she notified certain City officials about her experience with Inspector Magner and his offer to purchase her home. See
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Paragraph 7, Affidavit of Jacobs. She told the City officials that she thought it was improper for a City employee involved in the condemnation of her home to then make an offer to purchase the same home. Even though she pleaded with City officials, her home remained condemned and the City has continued to require a code compliance. See Paragraph 8, Affidavit of Jacobs.
Many of the Plaintiffs were forced into condemnation by inspectors under Magner’s supervision and then required to pass certification of Code Compliances before their properties could be re-occupied. In many of those cases, Mr. Magner obtained inside information on these properties from inspectors in his department or under his supervision. But for the fact that a number of the plaintiffs had counsel during this period, they too may have been subjected to threats by Mr. Magner for demolition of their property unless sale was made to a buyer of Mr. Magner’s choosing.
6.
Anonymous letters from City of St. Paul source.
Two undated letters were recently received by counsel for Plaintiffs Steinhauser and Harrilal from an anonymous source within the City of St. Paul. See Exhibits 8 and 9, to Affidavit of John R. Shoemaker.
Plaintiffs counsel encourages the Court to read the letters in their entirety but to pay particular attention to Exhibit 9, paragraph # 4 (the four page letter containing 7 separately numbered paragraphs), wherein the subject of 14 Jesamine (Osterman and Hayes’ home) is discussed and a statement made, “An obvious reason for someone to remove the garage would be for someone (Magner?) to obtain the contents of it.”
Plaintiffs also ask the Court to pay particular attention to Exhibit 8, paragraph #13 (the six page letter containing 23 separately numbered paragraphs): “Steve Magner and his wife… own a lake home in Itasca County. Where does Magner obtain financial resources to purchase and maintain two expensive properties?”
Finally, Plaintiffs point the Court to Exhibit 8, paragraph # 11, wherein allegations are made that Inspector Magner does not auction off personal property found within the properties subject to his supervision in the vacant building program.
In sum, given the nature of the claims against Defendant Magner, including the RICO and Fair Housing claims, Mr. Magner’s tax, banking and personal cell phone records fall within the proper scope of permissible discovery under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. 8
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Plaintiffs are agreeable to subjecting Mr. Magner’s cell phone records and financial documents to provisions of a protective order to protect his privacy and financial security interests.
Because Plaintiffs’ request for the subject documents is within the scope of discovery, the Court should order that Defendant Magner’s tax, banking and personal cell phone records be produced.
2.
Defendant’s Objection on the Grounds of the Minnesota Government Data Practices Act.
Defendants’ Counsel also cites the Minnesota Government Data Practices Act, Minn. Stat. § 13.43, Subd. 4, claiming that Defendant Magner’s tax, banking and cell phone records are “non-public.”
However, the scope of the Act does not apply to Defendant Magner’s tax, banking and personal cell phone records, which are not “government data” which is collected, stored, or maintained by the City of St. Paul. The scope of the Act is stated below:
Section 13.01. Government data.
Subd. 3. Scope. This chapter regulates the collection, creation, storage, maintenance, dissemination, and access to government data in government entities. It establishes a presumption that government data are public and are accessible by the public for both inspection and copying unless there is federal law, a state statute, or a temporary classification of data that provides that certain data are not public (emphasis added).
Minn. Stat. § 13.01, Subd. 3.
Because Defendant Magner’s tax, banking and personal cell phone records, are not “government data,” the scope of the Act does not apply to these records and should be produced by Defendant Magner.
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Defendants’ Counsel cites in her objection to producing the subject documents Section 13.43, Subd. 4, “Other data,” which reads as follows:
13.43. Personnel data.
Subd. 4. Other data. All other personnel data is private data on individuals but may be released pursuant to a court order. Data pertaining to an employee's dependents are private data on individuals.
Minn. Stat. § 13.43, Subd. 4.
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However, not only must the scope of the Act apply, as discussed above with respect to section 13.01, Subd. 3, but the documents subject to the objection must meet the definition of “personnel data.” That definition is stated below:
13.43. Personnel data.
Subdivision 1. Definition. As used in this section, "personnel data" means data on individuals collected because the individual is or was an employee of or an applicant for employment by, performs services on a voluntary basis for, or acts as an independent contractor with a government entity. Personnel data includes data submitted by an employee to a government entity as part of an organized self evaluation effort by the government entity to request suggestions from all employees on ways to cut costs, make government more efficient, or improve the operation of government. An employee who is identified in a suggestion shall have access to all data in the suggestion except the identity of the employee making the suggestion.
Minn. Stat. § 13.43, Subd. 1.
Defendant Magner’s tax, banking and personal cell phone records are not collected by the City of St. Paul as personnel data, and therefore the scope of the Act does not cover the subject documents, and section 13.43, Subd. 4 relating to “private data” does not apply to the subject documents.
CONCLUSION
For the reasons set forth above, Plaintiffs request that their motion to compel discovery of Defendant Steve Magner’s state and federal tax returns, personal bank records, and personal cell phone records for the years 1999 through 2006, be granted.
Plaintiffs also request an award of the Court for reasonable attorney fees and costs in bringing this motion.
Respectfully submitted,
THE ENGEL FIRM, PLLC
Dated: June 15, 2007 By: s/ Matthew A. Engel
Matthew A. Engel (#315400)
11282 86th Avenue North
Maple Grove, Minnesota 55369
T: (763) 416-9088
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MAGNERS ALLEDGED CRIMES-
Given the nature of the claims against Defendant Magner as detailed in the Plaintiffs’ complaints, including Fair Housing and RICO claims, his tax, banking and personal cell phone records meet the discovery scope as promulgated by the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
The Steinhauser, Harrilal and Gallager Complaints include two counts each based upon the federal RICO statute, 18 U.S.C. Section 1961, et seq. Many of the sections of Count I include claims that arguably make production of Magner’s personal records discoverable in light of the evidence that Plaintiffs are providing to the Court.
For example, the Steinhauser, et al. Plaintiffs allege in Count I, Paragraph No. 213 ( a ) that, “Defendants pattern of racketeering activity consisted of: Said Defendants’ extortion, or attempts, or conspiracy to do so, …under color or official right, in interference with interstate commerce, that was designed to extract direct or indirect personal rewards from Plaintiffs, if and when Plaintiffs refused to turn over or succumb to Defendants’ demands for illegal Code compliance, control of the Plaintiffs’ properties,…said racketeering activity interfered with the rights of plaintiffs to honest government services, and damaged Plaintiff in their property or businesses;”.
Tell us stevie boy, were you on the tax payers dime when you spent all that time at your daddy's house construction?
Sounds like its Steve's turn for the life of hell that he has put upon others is about to come back and start to haunt him now. I guess its true that what you do to others will come back on you. I bet Steve had always thought that the power and control he had on others was a fringe benifit of working for the city, that he could steal personal property from homes, get kickbacks from his investor friends and live the life of luxury at the cost of taking from others and distroying their lives then get away with it forever. Looks like a different picture is about to painted for his future.
OK Bob this case continues to be a moving target. If Magner is doing any of the things that the Plantiffs lawyers are suggesting he is doing I'd love to see him fired and if any of it is criminal convicted, but how in the heck does his actions relate to the City?
This allogation is that Magner is intimidating people into selling houses to him or friends of his for his personal proffit. If true that would mean he is/was a crook, but where would be the conspiracy? Who is in on it with him?
Again, maybe a bad man, but where is the conspiracy?
It will be interesting to see if the judge allows the records to be released. If he does then he would have to be accepting of the notion that the plantiffs don't know who is the conspiracy or what is the conspiracy but that they should be allowed to rumage through employees personl information based on the allogations of disgrunted people who have a grudge.
It will be more interesting if the judge denies this one because the plantiffs have previouse which hunts - demanding to depose the council and Mayor and then not having any questions once the judge allowed.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
I am still in a state of shock as to what I have been reading here, I cannot beleive a city would allow this man to continue after they have received reports of these allegations and yet they refused to investigate into the issue themselves and allow him to continue his criminal behavior. I would have to assume that would mean that other city employed individuals were also involved in this and benifiting from these actions as well.
I have never held a grudge on anyone and don't plan to start now, I would rather enjoy my life than stress over someone with no morals, but that dosen't mean I should sit back and not report the way I was treated by some individuals that works for the city, I believe my tax dollars were also paying his wages.
Until you have had the misfortune of meeting Mr. Magner in a situation such as I did I can understand were one would think it was unbelievable, but its the truth and now others are coming forward with their experience with him as well.
No one should have to feel intimidated and threatened by an inspector, the way he uses his authority figure is completely unprofessional and appears to be a way to benifit himself and others.
Nancy
Chuck,
I'm a concerned citizen of St.Paul and know you have friends high up. Please ask Thune to investigate Steve Magner. Thins man seems like he's been up to something.
This scares me that the city hasn't done their job in investigating one of their own. Its the cities job to protect us.
Chuck I also think you must understand that an employer is just as guilty if they didn't act to stop this monster.
It sounds to me like there is a comspiracy going on. Inspectors running wild, the city council trying to hide evidence by refusing to testify, and now they are trying to hide behind data privacy to further the cover up.
People have been yelling for an investigation since they demolished the Jessamine house a year and a half ago. They WILL NOT investigate because they know they are guilty. I said guilty, NOT stupid, these city leaders are in no way shape or form going to investigate their own misdeeds and inactions.
When the landlords are moving that indian statute out of city hall to satisfy the judgements people like Chuck Repke will still be saying it's all just alagations!
Chuck Repke is really suffering now. After all this time in total defense of Stevie boy, Chuck is back peddling hard now. What a joke... After the verdict falls there will be a water fall of suits against the city. Not a bad Dog just a bad dog owner.
I have been following this since the jessamine deal and I find it really interesting how the liberals have found one excuse after another to minimize, discredit, and distort this whole thing in their favor. In the beginning that may have worked, but 2 years down the road and now the evidence is starting to come out and they still make remarks about how these guys are just on a fishing trip or something. If this depositon testimony they talk of is true, what other logical conclusions could one make? Also what about the signed afidavits they say they have? It's pretty hard for me to believe that all these different people are saying the same things and have been for so long now and none of it is true. Sorry Mr Repke but I don't believe you, I think you have an agenda to protect.
Yeah and the owner is the city council, but they could care less as they just pay out with the taxpayers money not their own money!
I for one have had quite enough of Chuck Repke and his type. He is not even credible any longer in my mind.
So where's the self professed guardian of the neighborhood Eric Mitchell? I can't wait to see what bullshit he has to spew about this new development.
This is the way it's done in the big city, if you don't like it get out.
We know what's being discussed, corrupt city officials and a "rubber ankled" Mayor who's too chickenshit to call for an investigation.
I am sorry to say folks this is the tip of the iceberg..I have a whole lot more!
I don't want to dump to much on you at one time and delute the issue we are talking about.
You aren't going to believe this stuff!
It couldn't happen to a nicer guy than steve Magner.
What is troubling is the way all the city people fall into line without questioning their own, and without believing anyone else.
I wish some of you would at least read what you write. You think that judges should order someone to turn over their tax statements and check book records to people out to get them when no evidence is produce of any money passing hands between anyone.
Yet you screem if the government orders you to have trash collection.
Pretty interesting view of the world.
Again as to the employer being guilty because of the actions of their employees it depends on what those actions are. What I have been saying is that nothing that has ever been mentioned here shows any signs of a RICO action against the City.
As to me backing off... there is still nothing here but a bunch of people imagining that there must be something there because if someone throws enough mud on the wall maybe something will stick. We shall see, they have been throwing enough mud to this point nothing has stuck.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
I'm from Faribault, this is the first time I heard of this issue so pardon my ignorance.
I find this very interesting. How long has this been in the courts?
Have there been attempts to get the case dismissed?
Chuck,
Do you even understand what the city is being sued for. I hope what you say is your opinion and not of any of your employers. Thank God you write those initials when you sign off. My advice with the city is you better understand what you are being accused of.
Chuck handing over phone records,tax, and bank records is a way to prove this case. This is the way you prove a case. And as far as I know all plaintiffs have given their tax records.
And if Magner is sqeeky clean whats wrong with proving these landlords wrong?
Chuck I can't wait till this is all over and I hear your excuse.
You're all wet Chuck. Maybe they can't prove money changed hands, but according to what is supposedly these people's Depositions, they themselves admit they are good friends, the guy that buys the properties says his partner has provided new construction services to Magner's dad for $10,000! Does that mean he built the guy a new house for $10,000? If it does that would ne eough right there to make me suspicious. The politicians in Minneapolis if you remember went to jail for getting cut rate work on their houses for favors. From what I read here, it says this guy lied about refinancing his house. What else is he not telling the truth about. Or is he telling the truth now, but he just didn't tell the truth then? You are under oath when you have a Deposition taken are you not? And then there are all these written statements by different people attesting to this guys character. And on top of that we have a City Council that not only has refused to even think about any investigation, but had to be ordered by a Judge to submit to Depositions and now they are going back before the judge again because they won't produce documents? Innocent people with nothing to hide do not act this way Chuck and I don't think the people in these lawsuits are throwing mud, I think they are throwing rocks!
It has been in the Courts for years and the city cannot get it dismissed and that's why they are using the tactics they are using....hide the ball....stick your head in the sand.....call someone a slumord and everything will magicaly go away!
I know of an elederly woman who spent the last couple years of her life in a nursing home and died alone with strangers because of this city's nazi tactics with respect to their agenda made to look like housing codes. I am going to completely enjoy watching them all go down the tube kicking and screaming all the way to the bottom.
Is Kathy Lantry still getting complaints in her office? It's funny she has not gotten any complaints about this subject matter. If it was a landlord acting this way, she's have a blue ribbon commission doing a study on it.
Chuck doesn't think it's OK to use the "discovery process" in the way it is intended to be used, but he thinks it's OK for the city to absoloutly crush people and ruin their lifes work on just the "say so" of predjudice neighbors who have an axe to grind and a city council who is all too happy to do the bidding for them. Does your mother know you talk this way Chuck?
The real issue for Chuck over in Spin City is that the City of St Paul, in numerous ways, has BETRAYED THE PUBLIC TRUST and has acted in PURE ARROGANCE.
The fallout is going to be massive in many ways.
The gig is up Repke. Pack'r up and head out my friend. Boston or San Francisco would be a good place for you.
Mr. Magner could come here and say these allegations aren't true. He has been invited here on a number of occasions. The lawsuits would not prevent him from making a public statement denying the allegations.
I know, we know, you are reading Mr. Magner. This is a public forum, come tell us simply, "yes" or "no" are the allegations true or false?
ACTIONS OR INACTIONS IN THIS CASE SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!
For over a year we heard things like no evidence and just allegations, and now this comes out. I can't wait to see what comes out at the trial. I may even go. I'd like to have a look at this Magner person.
The only thing missing for a great Hollywood movie would be a love triangle between Mangner, Marcia Moronmond, and Dave Thune
This is another motion to the courts – not a ruling. Have the plaintiffs lost a motion yet?
Chuck, raises a great question: Is the damage alleged here due to one criminal employee or a conspiracy by the city? I am not an attorney, so could be wrong, but let me make two points:
First, I have to question why government holds landlords accountable for the actions of their employees, tenants and people who ILLEGALLY trespass on our property. Buildings are being bulldozed and landlords fined due to behavior crimes! Why are private business folk accountable for the actions of trespassers while our public leaders are not accountable for the actions of their employees?
Second, Dawkins had a chart that he presented around the city showing how he will deal with “problem properties.” That chart included such ditties as “educate the judges” and “forced sale” of rental properties. I watched Dawkins repeatedly present this chart to community meetings across the city. This might make sense if becoming a “problem property” is a logical, reasonable process, but it isn’t. The city threw buildings on the list when an influential person wanted it so. Then the process worked the course.
It appears Mr. Magner and Mr. Nelson capitalized on the process created – and advertised -- by the city. Profit is just one phase of proving RICO.
I have said it before… I am dumbfounded that some of the individuals in this case rely on the city attorney’s office to protect them. I doubt the city’s attorney will help you if the case turns criminal.
Regards, Bill Cullen.
Again, all I know is what I read here. I haven't seen anything other then what Bob has made available on this site, so, maybe you all know something I don't, but, what this new issue is that is before the judge is:
Can the attorneys for the plantiffs who have been arguing that the case is a conspiracy by elected and appointed officials to put private land lords out of business for the benefit of PHA explore the tax records and check book of one of the City's employees to find evidence of that conspiracy?
If that isn't the question, then what we are asking the judge is to allow the attorneys to look for evidence of an entirely diferent conspiracy one between an employee of the City and a friend of his to exploit citizens while using his government job to intimidate citizens.
If that is the issue, I have missed which case against the City (1,2 or 3) that fits into. And, if this is some new case, than Bill is right the City probably would not defend someone who is accused of a criminal act on the job. I have been confused when my friend Bill keeps saying these people should get their own attorney, now I get where he is going. This new track that the lawyers are on is to try and find private criminal actions of one City employee. All the City's attorneys are saying in response to the judge is 1. we don't have his private records and you can't make us get them, we don't have the ability to get them from an employee and 2. what he does on his own isn't relative to what you have accused the City of doing... or at least that is what it looks like from here.
So, I agree it will be interesting to see how far the judge lets the plantiffs roam on their hunt. I was surprised when he ordered the depositions of the elected officials and then not surprised when the plantiffs attorneys couldn't think of one legitimate question to ask them. You had to know they just wanted to embarrass them.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Does it matter what Mr. Repke thinks? He hasn't seen enough evidence here? All he has seen is what he has read here? WHAT DOES IT MATTER? He is not involved here. He will not be the judge. He will not be on the jury. All he is doing is fishing for information to give as a heads- up. He's playing attorney with all here when he's not. I haven't heard that he is any way.
First it was bothersome to see his arrogance, then it was insulting. Now it is a joke that he insists that HE must be satisfied with evidence and then he states his own made-up version of laws and case laws.
If those addressing him would stop and think how important it really isn't that they make him see the light and the truth, they will see a frightened person who put his questionable good name out there. Oh, yes think how he must try to the end to defend that which he has been spouting on and on for the drone of his words as written here to distract and discourage the readers here.
Wise is the man with prudence to discern that which he should call as right and attest his name to.
I still don't see anyone involved as a defendant coming here either angry or at the least defending their actions as right and dutiful for the citizens of st. paul.
I am addressing everyone who posts here with the exception of Mr. Repkea and his contempt being that some have felt enough contempt given by the city of st paul's leaders and employees.
Hey 10:08 I come to this site because it is the only place that follows the RICO cases and I am as interested as anyone else and want to know what in the heck is going on. I think it is great that Bob posts these updates.
I agree that I don't know anymore that anyone else does and think that people like to hear both sides of the issue. What fun would this site be if all there was were people whining about the City and crying in their beer.
So, I look at the info and try to explain what might be going on.
And on this one if I were Magner regardless if I did or didn't do anything wrong, I sure as heck wouldn't let someone run through my tax records. Why in the heck should I? He's a private citizen like anyone else, I doubt that he will have to turn them over. I don't think that the courts are going to order that to happen unless someone can show more than what Bob has posted here. Maybe they have more info and then Bob will post it. Something like someone finding a house that he had bought or money they gave him... something other than someone saying he "wanted" me to do this but I didn't.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Mr Magner is not a private citizen. He is a city employee at the very center of what is starting to look like a very nasty saga.
I saw my bosses looking at this on their computer at work today and couldn't wait to get home and be able to read the details. Now that I have I don't quite know what to say.
WOW! Is this for real?
This Mr. Repke is a very dangerous man, and I'll tell you why....I have been studying this guy for a long time now and if you pay close attention you can very easily see that not only could he argue all 3 sides of a story, he would be more than capable of arguing all 3 sides effectively! You guys should hire him and get some results instead of just shooting off your mouth all the time.
Why yes I see what you mean. Like how he can deceive you. Of course he would have to deceive persons who ordinarily would be subjected to government control and who have been mistreated and abused by the system (a great majority).
He could be the greatest thing on earth - just see him now with his slick speech and hypnotic language of a person's right to their tax return but not to their property. He could be attorney to both sides and we could all marvel at him and worship him! We could all be led together like a flock of sheep to the slaughter and he could control the universe, oh yes see his greatness! NOT!
Chuck Repke representing the interest of slums? HA HA It'll never happen!
This is probably one of the readons they decided not to take the Depositions of the city Council. They probably had enough other evidence that they didn't need the City Council's testimony.
These "Plaintiffs" are fun to watch. The more people say they are just harrassing the city and they have nothing, the more that seems to comes up showing they do have something! I can't wait to hear about how the city stands in Court and all they have to say is we are being harrassed and the other side has no proof while the other side is busy burying them in the proof.
Chuck,
Maybe the plaintiffs had all the evidence they need from the city council and didn't want to hear the bullshit to cover it up. The city council will have their day in front of the jury to answer their questions. I dare them to lie then!!!!Chuck do you get it?
Saint Paul should consider changing its name back to
. . . PIGS EYE . . .
Disgusting----just disgusting----what can you even think of to say? Who are these people and how did they get to work for the City of St Paul? Someone had some explaining to do I would say.
Hey Repke
Talking about disgusting city workers, and their co workers !
1996 Chuck Repke was involved in a cover up, when he worked for WARD 2 St.Paul City Councilman
Dave Thune.
A cover up is just another word for, a conspiracy.
If people know of wrong doing and they don't say or do something about it, they are just as guilty as the one doing the bad deed.
With the up coming city council election in St.Paul, Thunes days as a councilman are numbered.
Dean Barkley, found out that 200,000 home in Minnesota had bad insulation installed by Ramsey Action Program aka RAP.
Ex St.Paul Mayor Jim Schiebel was the director at RAP, he just lost his job there last fall.
I have been pointing the finger at RAP for years, for the health of the people that lived in these homes.
MN. State Senator Sandy Pappas work Ann Cook, She worked with me in 1997 and had my insulation tested at Twin City Testing in St.Paul.
If MN. Department of Health suggest .10 ppm of "Formaldehyde", Mine tested out at 1.51.
"You" who helped cover up for RAP, are the same as "co conspirators" !
My idea of these crooks and their co workers, they seem to be as a "snake" in the grass.
Or should I say, "A Snake in Government Office" ?
Vote For Bill Dahn "City Council Ward 2"
Repke is a person that is proud of being involved in some 100 champagnes, what was his reward from these people for helping them?
Thanks to Repke for his help in coving Thunes Butt when the issue of Dahn's home was on his desk.
Repke, tell everybody how the St.Paul City Attorney told Thunes office not to help Bill Dahn.
Vote for a man that will help the common person.
Bill Dahn for Ward 2
http://www.billdahn.blogspot.com
www.billdahn.com
Bill, be nice. I went over to your house to hear your concerns about RAP. I sat in your living room trying to figure out what if anything the City could do to help you with your issues with Ramsey Action Program (not a City of Saint Paul agency - the City has no control over them).
What I have since told you is that the City Attorney was considering a restraining order against you for threatening the Mayor and the staff people in the information and complaint office. They were concerned that you might hurt someone. They told me that I should stop putting myself in danger and to direct any of your issues to them.
So Bill, I didn't cover up anything. I tried to see what I could do to help even though RAP has nothing to do with City Government. If you weren't regularly screeming at the poor girls in information and complaint office and threatening to hurt the Mayor, who knows maybe I could have done something.
What you don't get is that those employees who take those calls when you are screeming can become afraid that you might hurt them. They don't know who you are and that you are just upset.
And 10:32 and 11:10 no, the plaintiff's lawyers have no questions concerning this case for Kelly, Thune, Lantry and Moermond. They aren't ever going to be on the stand. They were given the chance by the judge and they have no questions.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Do you Mr. Repke or anyone else really think the plaintiff's would spend 100's of thousands of dollars to sue the City if they didn't have a valid claim and the proof to back it up?
These are people that worked hard for their money (contrary to what you may believe) and they are not the kind that would be likely to throw it away to ease a chip on their shoulders. These are people who were wronged by the City of St.Paul and they derserve their day in court and they deserve to win and they deserve to be paid for what they lost. They are brave HEROS who are willing to do what it takes to make the City do the right things when dealing with its citizens. We all have the right to expect fairness from government and we all have constitutional rights which we ALL should be willing to fight for, which the City of St. Paul has clearly and constantly violated.
And as for " no questions " being the reason for not taking depositions -- THINK AGAIN.
I'll bet they go on the witness stand when the trial is going on. I may even attend the trial that day. I can't wait to see it.
Henry, No, that is exactly what I think, that they have a chip on their shoulder and they are getting great satisfaction out of making the City waste time, energy and money.
Again, go over to the side of this site and click on the links and read what it is that the suits are about. The City is accused of having a conspiracy to put private landlords out of business for the purpose of benefitting the Public Housing Agency.
Elected and appointed officials are accused of creating a public policy designed to benefit PHA by forcing private business to close. We are in the discovery phase of that case where the plantiffs are given the chance to gather information to expose that conspiracy.
I think that is nuts! I know that the policies were created to improve the health and safety of the community and the living spaces of those who rent in Saint Paul. I know that Kelly and Thune and Lantry and on and on don't even think about PHA when they come up with policies concerning rental property. I once staffed a council member, that stuff doesn't come up!
I also know, having worked in corrections for fifteen years that people who lose in the court system (like these guys) often have some very grandious view of themselves and how much time and energy they think the government spends thinking about them. It doesn't surprise me at all that these guys think that the cops and the Mayor and the City Council and the inspectors are all out to get them. It couldn't be that they just didn't get the junk out of the yard the way they were supose to; it has to be an f'ing conspiracy of the entire City to get just me!
I think they are that full of themselves. Any inspection system that is complaint driven is going to have disparities. Someone gets tagged someone doesn't. These guys see that and they go nuts. If he got away with it and I didn't then it must mean the City is out to get me!
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
2 things.
#1. I agree with 9:35, this blog is documented proof Bill Dahn is insane. Good thing Chuck was here to call him out to set the record straight.
#2. Chuck, same story from you too over housing issues.
I am not buying it Chuck. There is to many people who don't know each other that are telling us the same story about how the City screwed them out of their homes. Many of them aren't landlords Chuck. They are elderly people.
Chuck comes here and defends the City. In the 2 years of this debate NOT one single person has defended the City unless they were connected to the City in some way.
Now think about that. Chuck, citizens believe us. That is all that matters.
Check,
You have diarrhea of the mouth. You're worse in your mindless blathering in defvense of city employees than Bill is talking about insulation.
10:17, and the citizens of a jury will believe all that testify too!
It's not just about PHA Chuck. Some of the things you forget to mention are a government and their employees who targeted people unlawfuly because of a political agenda regarding behavior issues that came right straight from the Mayor's office and City Council offices. The government machine lied about code violations, illegaly condemned properties, forced people into the streets, entered private property without permisson or a Search Warrant, took property owners into court and tried to sieze property, and among other things pushed these owners (and countless others) to the brink of bankruptcy where they had no choice but to sell off their property. The current coverup with the deposition fiasco and a city refusing to produce evidence should tell everyone everything they need to know about who is right and who is wrong in this lawsuit.
I didn't even read past your frist paragraph Chuck. You mention that "they have a chip on their shoulder" and I just can't for the life of me figure out where you are coming from. ARE YOU NUTS? Given what the city has done to these people I think they are entitled to have a chip on their shoulder. Would you have a chip on your shoulder Chuck? It says in the complaint that the city came after the guys with criminal shit as a realtaliation strategy. Everyone I have told anything to about this ordeal is jsut outraged by it. I think you're pretty much alone in your defense of the city Chuck and I am really looking forward to what you think when it is all over. You would do well to remember something Chuck.....when this thing goes beofre a jury all it has to do is look like the city did it and the jury is going to hang them out to dry. In case you haven't noticed, people are not happy with Government in general anywhere in the country and St Paul is no different than anywhere else.
The jury is going to believe the little guy with the evidence I have seen here. Good luck St Paul
11:11 As Eric and I have said here at least a dozen times any time you go to a neighborhood meeting about one of these problem properties the responce from the neighbors is that the City is to EASY on the property owners; that the code is not tough enough; that landlords should be held accountable for how they manage their properties.
You never hear anyone say, no let the guy have his trash pile up in the yard and rent to crack heads that's a good thing.
Send it to the jury and see if they think that the City acted to fast when it takes 2-3-5 years to demo one of these places.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
And how often do these neighborhood meetings talk about the renters that are destroying those places so fast that the landlord cannot keep up on the repairs?
They are targetting private residences as well. The only reason is whim. The city has created a public relations nightmare. The city has to cut their losses, clean house, apologize for its arrogance, pay damages, and move foreward.
Talk about taking years, as in Thune taking 30 years to remodel and, let's get real here, repair a whole lotta violations on his property. Let's look again at Dawkins property and it's use as a crashing/showering place for vagrants. There are pictures that have been circulated here of council members and inspectors with violations who were overlooked by saint paul.
Those new to here can access these, if someone could point out the link or maybe Bob could refresh some of the stories and pictures that had been previously posted here. Betty Speaker, Nancy Osterman and Bob's loved ones,(their names escape me at the moment) who are now deceased by the hands of saint paul, and many more should be posted here.
I've seen a few posts here lately where people are finding this site and wondering where to begin as where they can hear the beginnings of most of the violations of rights.
Mr. Repke will of course remind all that those are "old" stories which happened 2-3-4 years ago. Just like the lawsuit hanging around and not going away.
So Bob, again I think it's time for exerpts from compaints and personal time lines from those victimized. Get the info out there again. you have some fresh new bodies here begging to hear more.
Dear Chuck,
Yes, I have seen the code enforcement system abused.
Example: Several years ago there was a very nice house that needed some repairs. Gail Summers (Highland District Council) used the code inspection system to go after these homeowners because they opposed Mike Harris and Pat Harris. Summers was on the phone to every city office daily and she was relentless in getting this house torn down instead of fixed up. The owners were not given the needed time to fix the house and the house was torn down. This was also published in the Highland Villager and St. Paul Pioneer Press. We are talking about Highland Park here, the house was nice and only needed some repairs, but due to the personal conflict Mike and Pat Harris had with the owner, the house was torn down.
Now flash back to April 2007. Highland District Council is taken over by some Radical Republicans. DFLer Summers quits as community organizer for HDC and what do they find over $69,000.00 in taxes that have not been paid. It seems Gail Summers failed to pay the taxes, shocking for a DFLer. Sort of do as I say, but not as I do.
Chuck gave every excuse to support Gail Summers and called her a leader to other district councils, but the fact still remains the HDC still owes $69,000.00 in back taxes, interest and fines. Chuck, some leader Gail Summers was to other district councils. Is the standard of proof too little for you now (accountants looking through the books) to believe that the HDC is $69,000.00 in the hole?
Now Pat Harris, a newly minted DFLer and current city council member has stated publicly that he does not have to listen to the HDC because it is not stacked with DFLers to his liking. There is now a check in power on the HDC Patrick Harris. Why do the Republicans have to clean up the mess the DFLers made and they are called Radical Republicans.
Well if what I read here is any indication as to what is going on down at city hall then maybe the whole city council and mayor needs to be replaced so there are some checks and balances. New blood is needed and having only one party control the city government is only breeding corruption like Minneapolis.
6-20-2007
1:55 PM brought up a very important point here.
(Dawkins property and its use as a crashing/showering place for vagrants.)
When Andy Dawkins ran for State Representative during his last three terms he did not live in his district. Dawkins lived out of his district with his wife Sen. Ellen Anderson. The property you mention was written up for many violations and mail was stacked up and it got so bad the US Postal Service refused to deliver any more mail there.
Andy did not live at this address, but he claimed it on his state filing forms as his place of residence. Had he listed his real address near Como Lake he could have not run for his State Representative seat in Frogtown. Andy was also able to homestead two properties. His home with Sen. Anderson and this other property in Frogtown where he claimed to live, but did not. Andy only used this address to get elected after he married Sen. Anderson. The marriage certificate is on file in Ramsey County along with property records with Andy and Ellen's names on it for the Como property.
Sorry Andy, I could not let this lie of yours go on any more. I was a supporter until you used the code office against a friend of mine.
Since we are posting facts Chuck here are some facts about Dave Thune's property on 943 West 7th that you failed to mention about your former boss Chuck.
The following is located on the City of St. Paul’s web site about Dave Thune’s property on 943 West 7th:
https://www.stpaulonestop.com/AMANDA5/eNtraprise/StPaul/m3list/f_web_listfolders.jsp?lid=ReadOnlystpaul&PropertyRSN=159598
Property Information:
943 7TH ST W -- Property Information --
Pin Number Zoning/Use HPC District
112823140133 B2R-Single Family Dwelling
List of Activity...
Complaint: 07 084533 000 00 RF:
Follow up on C of O folder approved with corrections. Referral
Type: C of O
Entered on: 05/24/2007 In Process
Complaint: 06 047787 CSO 00 RF:
Falling mortar and curling cedar shakes are unsafe. Mortor nearly hit pedestrian and in jumping away from that bumped against cedar. Referral
Referral
Type: Citizen Complaint
Entered on: 02/28/2006
Closed on: 07/31/2006 Closed
Note: CLOSED WITH NO ACTION BY THE CITY. Dave got a pass again.
Complaint: 06 047784 000 00 RF:
GOT HIT ON THE HEAD WITH MORTAR AND GARBAGE IN BACK OF PROPERTY INCLUDING AN OLD STOVE. COMPLAINANT WANTS TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS
Referral
Type: Citizen Complaint
Entered on: 02/28/2006 Closed
Complaint: 06 046207 CSO 00 RF:
mortar & brick falling, building materials but no permits visible, unfinished roof & unpainted wood, no trim on front door, siding falling off front & stove outside Referral
Referral:
Type: Citizen Complaint
Entered on: 02/23/2006
Closed on: 04/27/2006 Closed
Note: This complaint was closed by the city two months after someone posted the pictures on SPIF and NO ACTION WAS TAKEN BY THE CITY. Dave got a pass by the city. Lots of work done without city permits. If you or I did this Steve Manger would condemn the building and sell it to his buddies. Hey Steve, if you force Dave to sell I will be first in line to offer him $50,000.00 for the building.
Complaint: 04 196331 000 00 CO:
943 7TH ST W 112823140133 Certificate of Occupancy
Type: Mixed (Res+Comm)
Occupancy Type: Mercantile Sales
Residential Units: 4
Renewal Due Date: Nov 20, 2006
Inspection Results (most recent first):
05/24/2007: Approved w/Corrections
1. PICTURE FRAME SHOP: Discontinue Use of Extension Cords MSFC 605.5 (Deficiency - 1st inspection) - Severity 2
2. PICTURE FRAME SHOP: Fire Extinguisher Service MSFC 901.6 (Deficiency - 1st inspection) - Severity 4
3. Required Smoke Detector Affidavit SPLC 39.02(c) (Abated - 1st inspection) - Severity 9
4. Residential Occupancy Affidavit (Abated - 1st inspection) - Severity 9
5. Heating Equipment Maintenance SPLC 34.11 (6), 34.34 (Deficiency - 1st inspection) - Severity 5
Complaint: 03 402766 CSO 00 RF:
943 7TH ST W 4 unit, unit #4 Skylite leaks,broken skylite boarded up,roof used to leak and now there is mold in the ceiling,mushrooms on the carpet Referral
Referral:
Type: Citizen Complaint
Entered on: 11/24/2003
Closed on: 12/26/2003 Closed
Just the facts Chuck, just the facts.
Concerned City of St. Paul employee
Lets not forget the outstanding work of a many city employees, past and present. Many really do care and try to help.
The bad apples will rot the whole thing, if left unattended. The RICO suits are in the city's best interest.
I love this stuff you guys just continue to prove my point. You guys bitch, and complained to the City and the City wrote up both Thune and me. All it took was picking up the phone...
Thune has pulled permits and either has done or is doing all of the repairs. I paid $10,000 to have someone paint my duplex. I will remember you all fondly for that one.
Nobody gave Thune a pass all of the shit is there and he has to do or has done all of the repairs just like anyone else. If they were hiding shit for him you wouldn't see it on the system.
Another conspiracy right? Its in writing that he was treated the same as anyone else!
Pull up the chart on any of the demos and see how many YEARS they get for repairs. How many complaints they have. Looks to me that Thune got his done in a few weeks and on the bigger ones a couple of months, just like normal people.
Just the facts pretend City Employee...
Just My Opinion Not Those Of My Employers Past Present Or Future
and don't you think its a little sad that you guys have to keep going after my former boss? Not quite sure how you think that gets me, but it has to drive Thune crazy...who the f did Repke piss off that they're coming after me again???
I once worked for Sears, why don't you give them a hard time for a while?
Chuck Repke
The point is Chuck that City Council members sat in judgement of others and voted to dole out harsh punishment for violations that were minor compared to violations they themselves have.
The City Council put a known code violator in charge of the Code Enforcement unit and he was going after people criminally for violations that were less than he had on his own property.
What they were doing had nothing to do with getting the property fixed up Chuck. It had to do with the city using the housing codes to do an end run around people Constitutional Rights and bring about a punishmnet (among other things) they could not do legaly, and people were hurt....some beyond repair!
You really think this is OK Chuck?
Well Chuck must not be that good of friends with Steve Magner if Chuck had to pay $10,000 just to get his house painted and Steve Magner's father had extensive remodeling and/or building done for the same dollar figure ($10,000)from Renovations Inc. In fact it would be interesting to see to what extent the code compliance was followed through with once Renovations Inc. purchased many of these properties/homes through the inside information he received from his close pal Steve.
Corrupt officials, no never in Minnesota!
Iron Range cancer reports trigger call for health commissioner's resignation; six more deaths identified.
Hennepin court worker charged with bribery.
City of St.Paul loses lawsuit will be the headlines very soon!
Pretend city employee?
Does that add credibility to your argument Chuck?
The city of St Paul regularily uses "Code Enforcement Tools" to address behavior issues and a great deal of it is orchestrated by the City Council. The City Council has also maintianed lists of properties they consider to be "Problem Properties."
Dawkins was cited for violations on his University property only after it became obvious that the landlords were documenting its condition. That file was closed without all the repairs being completed while the neighboring properties were required to finish repairs and pay fees under the city's "Excessive Consumption Ordinance.
His property on Lakeview has violations also, but no orders to repair even after it was on the news.
There's a city inspector who lives in St Paul who recieved "special correction orders" only after it became apparant that the landlords were documenting the condition of his home. That file has been allowed to remain open for 8 months when other people are not even given 8 days often times. To make matters worse, there are new complaints on the property presently.
There are many other blocks in the city where the repairs are allowed to languish while the city collects "Excessive Use Fees."
Would you like me to start posting the names Chuck? How about the addresses?
Chuck,
If you look at 743 W. 7th Street, a property owned by your former boss and current city council member, Dave Thune, you will see he NEVER took out a permit for the remodeling and electrical work he did not to mention the new roof.
Have you seen the pictures taken by a guy named Citi (SP)? These pictures show very clearly that Dave Thune had done work without permits. Also, if you look at the city property information and look up Dave's property you will also see NO permits were taken out. How about the complaint from one of Dave's renters to the city about the leaking skylight and mold?
CHUCK, IF MY HUSBAND DID NOT TO TAKE OUT PERMITS, HE WOULD BE RED TAGED BY THE CITY ASAP!
Chuck, I know first hand that Dave was given a pass on 943 W. 7th Street. There were three complaints made on this property in 2006. The record is very clear here Chuck, Dave was given a pass and these complaints were closed out. Dave was not required to pull permits, nor was the work he did was ever inspected by a city inspector as to the quality of the work. Who knows what is buried behind those walls at 943 West 7th Street? Who knows how the roof was installed? I think 943 W. 7th should be torn down as to the quality of workmanship is in question.
There are many of us who work for St. Paul who are tired of Thune getting a pass. Take the smoking ban. Thune pushed the smoking ban through the city council and then smokes in his office. Ask Debbie or Pat if you don't believe me.
Don't get me going about Lee. That guy has trouble chewing gum and walking. He may look hot, but not a brain cell to be found. Maybe that is a good thing if you think about it.
Sally Sue in St. Paul
The things these landlords are saying are true and most people in the city know it. The city is just trying to do whatever "damage control" they can.
How about 1265 Stanford Chuck?
Did that take years to tear it down.
As with the Jessamine house, there behavior issues, and then there was the neighborhood putting pressure on the City Council.
There were permits pulled and people actively working on the building when the City Council cancelled the permit and order demolished!
All because of "behavior" Chuck, not because of code issues and not because it would have contiued to be a blight on the neighborhood. That's one off the favorites you know....."it's a blight on the neighborhood."
Please do not print addresses here.
Wnna know another dirty secret the city doesn't want you to know about? How about the times when some inspectors are so unreasonable and overbearing that some people "lose it" and become angry. The frist thing some of these inspectors do is run to the Court to get a "Restraining Order" against the property owners in question. Do your friends in the city ever tell you those stories Chuck?
The enforcement problems are not limited to behavioral issues or landlords. Just excesses and greed by the inspections system. Just check past discussions on this site.
Nancy Osterman has provided a sworn Affidavit filed in Ramsey County District Court,
dated June 22, 2005, (see copy attached) wherein she stated that as an owner of 14
Jessamine East, her home was condemned and a code compliance demanded - after she
had performed substantial repairs on her home totaling about $10,000, Steve Magner told
Louise Toscano Seeba, Esq.
June IS, 2007
Page five
her that he would not allow her to complete the renovation but she would be required to
sell her home to someone of Mr. Magner's choosing - if she refused to sell her home
according to his terms, her home would be demolished.
I am enclosing addition evidence supporting Ms. Osterman's allegations for you
consideration. Please find the handwritten, notarized statement of Douglas Hayes,
dated June 10,2007, and 9 page Purchase Agreement on 14 Jessamine provided to
Mr. Hayes by Mr. Magner's chosen buyer. (See attached).
Further support for Ms. Osterman's allegations against Mr. Magner is found in the
attached copy of the Affidavit of Julian Jayasuriya dated June 22, 2005 (filed in
Ramsey County District Court in Case No. C-205-6174); please refer to paragraphs 5, 6,
7,16,21 and 22. (See Attached).
Finally, we have included with this correspondence a copy of the Affidavit of Lois
Jacobs dated June 11,2007. Please refer to paragraphs 5, 6 and 7. Ms. Jacobs' home
was condemned, and after Mr. Magner placed her home in his vacant building program,
and required a full code compliance, Ms. Jacobs claims that Mr. Magner offered to buy
her home for $50,000. (See Attached).
The claims ofNancy Osterman, Julian Jayasuriya, Douglas Hayes and Lois Jacobs are
relevant to the RICO counts of all three cases. See for example, the Third Amended
Complaint in Steinhauser, et aI., Count I, paragraphs 210,212,213 (a), ( c ), ( d), ( e),
and ( f), 218, 219; and Count II. Plaintiffs have alleged a that a pattern of racketeering by
certain officials and lor employees has existed over an extended period oftilTl<; since at
least 2002.
Discovery of Mr. Magner's cell phone records, tax returns and bank records is reasonably
calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence. During the period of 2002 and
thereafter, Mr. Magner was a supervisor ofMs. Martin and also was the head inspector in
charge of all vacant buildings for the City. Mr. Magner testified that as a vacant building
supervisor he was privy to a great deal of personal and financial information ofowners of
single family and duplex property owners required at his direction to undergo expensive
certification of Code Compliances renovations. Plaintiffs claim that Mr. Magner has
personally benefited from his transfer of "inside" knowledge to'the owner of a renovation
company who has purchased a great deal of distressed single family and duplex homes
under Magner's supervision and control over this same period oftime. Mr. Magner'
admitted that he has known this renovation specialist for many years, that he and this
individual have a long standing practice of frequent social contacts, and that this
individual has provided construction services on the homestead of Mr. Magner's father.
Louise Toscano Seeba, Esq.
June 15,2007
Page six
The similarities between the experiences ofNancy Osterman, Julian Jayasuriya, Douglas
Hayes and Lois Jacobs in dealings with condemnations, vacant building and code
compliance programs under Mr. Magner's control and the experiences of Plaintiffs and
others, is striking. Many of the Plaintiffs were also forced into condemnation by
inspectors under Magner's supervision and then also required to pass expensive
certification of Code Compliance renovations before their properties could be reoccupied.
Mr. Magner obtained inside information on these properties from inspectors in
his department or under his supervision, or directly through the owners. But for the fact
that a number of the plaintiffs had counsel during this period, they too may have been
subjected to threats by Mr. Magner for demolition oftheir property unless sale was made
to a buyer of Mr. Magner's choosing. Many ofthe Plaintiffs were forced to sell their
properties due to the code enforcement operations directed against them by Magner and
. others. As Matt and I discussed with you during our meet and confer, we are agreeable to
a protective order covering the personal records ofMr. Magner we are seeking.
(2) Emails, inter-departmental emaHs, correspondence, memos, and other written
communications during 1994 through 2004. and thereafter to present, between City
Agencies, and to and from same and non-city entities and individuals, concerning
rental and non-rental housing. low income housing, code and code enforcement
issues, searches and seizures, FORCE, inspectors working wI FORCE, police
activity related to the foregoing, PHA properties. and discrimination bv City
officials, employees, etc. See Steinhauser Document Request No. 13 and HarrHal,
Johnson Document Request No. 27.
We undersiand that City officials and employees did not take action to preserve the
written communications relevant to these lawsuits between City officials and employees
and between said officials and employees and certain third parties communicating with
City officials and employees, for the time period prior to December 2005, even though
the City had notice of Frank Steinhauser's claim as early as July 2003, and notices of the
claims ofthe other Plaintiffs during 2003 through 2005. You have agreed to produce
emails ofselected officials and employees for December 2005 and thereafter. Matt and I
have provided you with a list of officials and employees that we want email accounts
restored from the backup tapes maintained by the City for this period.
(3) TISH reports for years 2000 through 2003 . Steinhauser Document Request No.
9, HarrHal, Johnson Document Request Nos. 28, and 29.
Earlier this year, the Director ofthe City's TISH program, Connie Sandberg, informed us
that NHPI personnel had (at some point after the filing of the Steinhauser case in May
2004), shredded the 2001, 2002 and 2003 TISH files that would have been in the NHPI
office during the 2004 time frame. We were surprised by this admission
OK - folks we have once again gone around in a big circle. I haven't been paid to watch Thune in nine years and nobody ever paid me to watch Dawkins so, I can't answer your Thune or Dawkins questions. But, as I said earlier any system that is complaint driven is going to end up with some people sited and some people not BUT how does any of that have anything to do with the RICO suit?
Yup, life is unfair. I got screwed and had to pay to have my house painted and you didn't so what?
It doesn't mean that I was a victom of a criminal conspiracy to get me to stop renting my unit and move my tennent into PHA, which is what the law suit is about.
All of the rest of this is a distraction and a says that these guys had to fix their properties and they are pissed that everyone else didn't get the same treatment. So, now they are calling in those people big deal.
What difference does it make what is the condition of Thune or Dawkins property when Dawkins supervises an inspector or Thune hears someone's appeal? One would think that someone who has to do all of this fix up work themselves would even be more understanding. If Thune or Dawkins do their own repairs maybe they know what the average guy goes through keeping up with property.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Why hasn't the newspaper printed anything about this. I read it every day and have seen nothing. Could it be because the allegations have no credibility?
Google Nancy and read the report that one of the property rights guys did about Nabcy's view of how she got into this situation. When you get to the section that explains that the only reason why any of this happened was because she wouldn't be a drug informant, you will get some sense of the credibility issue.
You have to believe that Nancy is an extremely important person that this many levels of the government would spend the amount of time and energy they have making her life dificult.
It could be true. Cops might have wanted her to be a drug informant and then after she refused planted drug paraphanalia in her house and not just any drug paraphanalia her exboyfriend's drug paraphanalia so that she could recognize it and then unfairly took her kids away, and then brought in the inspectors office to trump up charges on her house and then try to make her sell it at a reduced price and then unfairly go after the new owners of her house, (I am not sure how the government made Nancy not file her contract for deed) and then not approve the repairs that were made to the house for over four years and then not give Nancy notice about the abatement issues on the house... maybe.
Maybe.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
2:14 PM
6-20-2007 PM The RICO Conspiracy
Thank you for talking about St.Paul, and how the honesty is gone.
Once a nice place to live, and to be proud to be from St.Paul.
Where we have things like the State Capital, Como Park where people of all ages enjoy the Zoo and the animals, the conservatory, and the lake with its pavilion, it has concerts of all styles of music.
Mounds Park where the Indian burial grounds are, all these things brings people to this great city.
The people with their City and State Taxes are paying for this, to be the great place for tourist.
The city council and others have some interest in getting the Bridged Development Project going.
Do we have people that shine up to the mayor or city council, the way lobbyist do the state senate or
state representatives and maybe the governor ?
Grease the palms of the people that run St.Paul, and you are a friend indeed.
This and other elections has always brought out the worst in government.
To all that will fight for peoples rights, and show the truth to us all.
Thank you.
Bill Dahn
Most people resent being treated differently than others Chuck. I guess you wouldn't know anything about that because you are connected and don't suffer those kind of inequities.
Yes Yes Yes Chuck, I am glad you are finally catching on. This is exactly how it is done!
It could be true. Cops might have wanted her to be a drug informant and then after she refused planted drug paraphanalia in her house and not just any drug paraphanalia her exboyfriend's drug paraphanalia so that she could recognize it and then unfairly took her kids away, and then brought in the inspectors office to trump up charges on her house and then try to make her sell it at a reduced price and then unfairly go after the new owners of her house, (I am not sure how the government made Nancy not file her contract for deed) and then not approve the repairs that were made to the house for over four years and then not give Nancy notice about the abatement issues on the house... maybe.
*Here is some of those destroyed documents.
> Earlier this year, the Director ofthe City's TISH program, Connie Sandberg, informed us
that NHPI personnel had (at some point after the filing of the Steinhauser case in May
2004), shredded the 2001, 2002 and 2003 TISH files that would have been in the NHPI
office during the 2004 time frame. We were surprised by this admission
Things are not looking good here Chuck. Like I told ya before, I think ya should pack'r up and head for high ground. There's a flash flood coming and your going to swept away in it if you continue sticking up for the city. They're dirty Chuck and they're a racketeering enterpirse out to gobble up every vulnerable property owner they can get their hands on so they can pull them into court and carve em up like a thanksgiving feast! It's only a matter of time my friend. Maybe you can get a new job as a handyman for one of these landlords after they clean out the city treasury and start using the money to buy up vacant buildings for pennies on the dollar. Perhaps they will take over your project up there on White Bear and Maryland and rename it "Helltown." You could be the on site "fix up" man there. They may even provide you a place to live so you don't have to reside in Bill Dahn's ward when he wins the election this November. Rumor has it that Dahn plans on demolishing your home after he wins the election.
Some uplifting quotes from Winston Churchill about the truth are in order here, since it is being mistreated:
The Truth
The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
Also
Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.
Is Repke the "fairness" pawn being played by the city? We all know by now that he had to pay $10,000 to have his house painted. He keeps reminding everyone, $10,000, $10,000. How do we know he wasn't reimbursed by the city for his martyurism. But doesn't his house look so much better now and crime I'm sure has dropped off within blocks around because of it.
And wasn't Thune's house written up after he made asinine comments about other people's houses, and his addresses were published for scrutiny? Thune is definately not a martyr for fairness.
But Thune doesn't post here. Repke does. Why? Thune's addresses were published by who?
The city was then obligated to write him up for violations. But do you really think he was the least bit worried about any of it? Do you think he had any thoughts of losing his business and home because of it? Do you think inspectors imposed on his rights? I haven't heard of his going before the council. Does anyone else know if he has?
All good dogs who perform well will receive a treat from their master. Believe me, some of these employees/inspectors have masters and they are owned.
I'll change martyr to self-inflicted martyr if that will be more indicitive to my point.
Yes Chuck that is very close to the way things happened to me, one error though I have never stated that I was an such an important person that they went after me, all I know is what did happen.
If you would like to search a little deeeper into my case you can look up the records in the state court of appeals on the child protection issue and see that I was able to prove that the particular child protection worker that was involved was caught in MANY lies (the 3 Judges were not to happy about it either) in which I won the case and the worker was put under investigation and took early retirement. So yes Chuck there are some very dishonest people that work within the city whether you care to beleive it or not. I am just thankful that I had enough witnesses and records kept to get my children back as for the house I have replaced it.
So yes Chuck the stories written are correct as far as the contract for deed it was a note between the new owner and myself being that I was told I could have nothing to do with my property/home which included my name being on anything so I didn't feel I would be able to file the contract for deed, would you? with the threats that were directed to me?
It got to the point where when I would give my daughter a ride to work I was a fraid to enter St.Paul so I would have her father meet me by the freeway ramp so I wouldn't have to drive on the city streets in St.Paul, Yes Chuck there are some cruel dishonest people that work for that city and I wouldn't wish them on anyone.
So Chuck the world and people around you are not the picture you paint of them, I may of had some addiction issues but I dealt with it and will never agree that is a good cause for these people that you continue to stick up for to behave in the manner they did I would call it misconduct of a public officers or employees.
Nancy
Nancy, you are free. It feels great doesn't it? And chuck, you are in bondage, sucks doesn't it?
A man is driving down a deserted stretch of highway when he notices a sign out of the corner of his eye....It reads
CITY OF ST.PAUL
HOME OF BUILDING SPECIALS & PERMITS
10 MILES
He thinks this is a figment of his imagination and drives on without second thought....
Soon he sees another sign which reads:
CITY OF ST.PAUL
HOME OF BUILDING SPECIALS & PERMITS
5 MILES
Suddenly he begins to realize that these signs are for real and drives past a third sign saying:
CITY OF ST.PAUL
HOME OF BUILDING SPECIALS & PERMITS
NEXT RIGHT
His curiosity gets the best of him and he pulls into the drive. On the far side of the parking lot is a stone building with a small sign next to the door reading:
HOME OF BUILDING SPECIALS & PERMITS
He climbs the steps and rings the bell. The door is answered by a man in a casual clothing who asks, "What may we do for you my son?"
He answers, "I saw your signs along the highway and was interested in possibly doing business...."
"Very well my son. Please follow me." He is led through many winding passages and is soon quite disoriented. The man stops at a closed door and tells the man, "Please knock on this door."
He does so and another man answers the door. This man instructs, "Please place $1000 in my hand then go through the large wooden door at the end of the hallway."
He puts $1000 in the mans hand, eagerly trots down the hall and slips through the door pulling it shut behind him.
The door locks, and he finds himself back in the parking lot facing another sign:
GO IN PEACE.
YOU HAVE JUST BEEN SCREWED BY THE CITY OF ST.PAUL!
Nancy,
Hang in there. I have a friend who has stayed clean for over 37 years. Every year she proudly displays her sober pin with the number of years she has stayed sober on it. Every day is a struggle but with support from your friends you can do it as well.
As for Chuck, I have only one comment for you: Up-chuck and die. The excuses you give Thune and others is really sickening. If you were any man at all you would have the balls to take responsibility and change the system, not give excuses for those who are abusing the system.
Sally Sue in St. Paul
Reguarding as my earlier comments about Thune having his addresses published, if memory serves correctly, it was on the Watchdog News site.
Thank you for publishing this Bob. You are a real Godsend to the city. Some people do think these things are true. I know they are because these things also happened to my cousin and he WAS NOT a slumlord.
Hi All.
What a lively exchange this has been.
Chuck, I don't agree with you but, I respect your right to have an opinion. And. I grudgingly admire your tenacity!
I thank all of you!
What is with some of these people that they do not understand civil rights?.....I mean...Hellooo.....anyone home????......Have you ever heard of The Constitution of The United States?
I have been from one end of the spectrum to the other on the subjects I have read about here. I am no longer suprised that it has happened, but what really suprises me is why is it allowed to continue to happen? Why is there no investigation? Why does the City Council become an active participant in the cover up? Where is the Justice Department? The main story and its issues are dwarfted by the behavior and actions following the dirty deeds! Who the heck would ever have any faith in Government after walking through this ordeal?
Is there any way we can just bypass the City Attorney's office and pay our tax dollars to the Plaintiff's attorneys. It seems to me that would be the most constructive approach.
After realizing the magnitude and evil of the city's inspections activities, I thought it was hopeless.
But seeing the upswell of human values and concerns, there is hope.
Thank you Bob for coordinating this effort.
3:29 are you reffering to Nancy's saga or Bill's?
I think the credability may be the same.
Just because some one accuses someone of something doesn't make it so. And, when you accuse, 7, 10, 20, 100 people of actively trying to get you and you don't have any evidence other than I say so... you know people tend to doubt that its for real.
Which gets us back to the RICO case. We don't have anyone who has yet said that they actually gave anything to an inspector or sold anything to them, only accused them of wanting them to do it.
And as to unfair treatment I don't know anything but what I read here, so, if I am wrong Bob please post it, but I haven't seen one time where a licensed bonded contractor did work on property and the City didn't approve the work.
What we have are "handymen" who have "fixed" things after years of delays.
Bob, please post something from all of the stories that says something else.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Is this a plug for the "Labor Unions" now? What difference does it make is it is repaired by a handyman or a "Union Man?" You just cannot tie this into being anything about getting the property repaired, and that's because it is not about getting the property repaired with the city. It's about behavior issues and a city that wants to use the back door to circumvent people's civil rights to deal with those issues. Sorry Chuck, but you are wrong again.
Chuck once again you refer to my credability, and you know what Chuck... like I have stated many times I am not here to try to prove myself to you or anyone. I know what happened and I have witnesses to almost all of it, guess what Chuck it doesn't matter what you think because your credability isn't exactly what I would call at the top of the list either the way you defend the allegations even though you have no clue what the truth is because YOU WERE NOT THERE!
Chuck did you fit it in your schedule to check the court of appeals on my case with CPS then try to tell me who lied under oath in that case... Sure wasn't me. Oh thats right city/county officials wouldn't lie would they...check it out Chuck, the 3 appeal court judges were quite upset with the way things were handled and I proved my honesty and credability in the courtroom.
I feel that Chuck has tunnel vision that only allows him to see things his way, I wish things were that way Chuck, I wish these official wouldn't abuse there power but the reality is Chuck they are human and human beings make mistakes just like I did. One difference I was able to step up to the plate and admit my faults and take responsibility for them and make corrections where needed are these officials to big of people to do the same? I know Chuck all this happened to be an illusion of mine...correct? No Chuck I happen to have a high IQ, I tested out very good for college, in fact I have a 3.97 GPA.
When the proof all comes out Chuck I am curious to how your going to handle the situation with all the degrading of people you have done here?
Nancy
This is what the city of St.Paul needs to see in citizens;
The people, who have made the best of life, making hard choices without having to lie, steal or cheat others. People who take a level of pride and flair in doing things in life. People who do have integrity and sincerity along with a level of humility. People who have achieved things through hard work, perseverance and doing the best with what talents God has blessed them with.
Chuck
The first tactic of a Psychopath is to accuse somebody else of having the trait that they themselve have in abundance.
Ummm....could we see the proof of that 3.97 please?
Interesing how Nancy makes a mistake and derails her life, then realizes it, does something about it, and get her life back on track, but does she get the "high five?" Hell no! She gets ridiculed.
Now comes the city and they derail everyone's life they can find. Do they get ridiculed? Hell no.....they get Nancy's "high five!" Anyone see anything wrong with this picture?
It's all over Repke....I have heard from a very reliable source that when Bill Dahn wins the Council election this November, he is going to have his "election party" tearing down your project up there on White Bear. And then he's gonna live in a tent on the vacant lot cause he's scared of houses and their insulation products.
Nancy sent me this. It look nothing like the original. I have no way of posting original documents here. I deleted the address.
Nancy Osterman
***** Hwy 65
Ham Lake MN 55304
To Whom It May Concern:
This letter is to verify that Nancy Osterman is enrolled in a full-time program of study at Colorado
Technical University Online in the BSCJ-E Bachelor of Science in Criminal Justice - 05 Program
that began on 7/2/2006, with an expected graduation date of 11/11/2008.
Current GPA: 3.97
Code Class Name Start Date End Date Grade Term
HUM140 Art Appreciation 10/05/2008 11/11/2008 0804A
SOC205 Sociology 10/05/2008 11/11/2008 0804A
PHL210 Ethics 08/20/2008 09/27/2008 0803B
MGM260 Fundamentals of Management 08/20/2008 09/27/2008 0803B
PSY105 Psychology 07/06/2008 08/12/2008 0803A
SCI205 Environmental Science 07/06/2008 08/12/2008 0803A
ACC205 Financial Accounting Concepts 05/21/2008 06/28/2008 0802B
MKT250 Marketing 05/21/2008 06/28/2008 0802B
LTR215 World Literature 04/06/2008 05/13/2008 0802A
MAT205 College Math 04/06/2008 05/13/2008 0802A
MGM105 Professional Communication 02/20/2008 03/29/2008 0801B
MGM110 Principles of Business 02/20/2008 03/29/2008 0801B
MGM220 Fundamentals of International Business 01/06/2008 02/12/2008 0801A
MGM230 Introduction to Business Law 01/06/2008 02/12/2008 0801A
IT208 Web Portfolio Publishing 11/21/2007 12/29/2007 0704B
ENG115 English Composition 11/21/2007 12/29/2007 0704B
HIS150 World History Since 1500 10/07/2007 11/13/2007 0704A
PFP110 Personal Finance Concepts 10/07/2007 11/13/2007 0704A
CJUS399 Advanced Topics in Criminal Justice 08/22/2007 09/29/2007 0703B
CJUS480 Criminal Justice Capstone 08/22/2007 09/29/2007 0703B
CRJ445 Crime Scene Analysis 07/08/2007 08/14/2007 0703A
CJUS300 Victimology 07/08/2007 08/14/2007 0703A
ACC310 Accounting for Non-Accounting Majors 05/23/2007 06/30/2007 0702B
PSY435 Forensic Behavior Analysis 05/23/2007 06/30/2007 0702B
CJUS448 Criminal Investigation 04/08/2007 05/15/2007 A 0702A
PSYC336 Abnormal Psychology 04/08/2007 05/15/2007 A 0702A
CRJ355 Laws of Evidence in Criminal Courts 02/21/2007 03/31/2007 A 0701B
CRJ442 Juveniles and the Courts 02/21/2007 03/31/2007 A 0701B
CRJ345 Criminal Thinking 01/07/2007 02/13/2007 A 0701A
CRJ370 American Criminal Procedure 01/07/2007 02/13/2007 A 0701A
CRJ310 Public Administration and Policymaking 11/15/2006 12/23/2006 A 0604B
SOC345 Psychology in the Social Environment 11/15/2006 12/23/2006 A 0604B
SOC330 Social Problems 10/01/2006 11/07/2006 A 0604A
SOC355 Cultural Diversity 10/01/2006 11/07/2006 A 0604A
CRJ303 Criminal Law Today 08/16/2006 09/23/2006 A 0603B
CRJ304 Law Enforcement and the Community 08/16/2006 09/23/2006 A 0603B
CRJ301 Corrections Solutions 07/02/2006 08/08/2006 B+ 0603A
CRJ302 Legal Aspects of Criminal Justice 07/02/2006 08/08/2006 A 0603A
If you need any further information, please contact us at (866)813-1836, Option #3, or
cturegistrar@ctuonline.edu.
Sincerely,
Registrar's Office
Colorado Technical University Online
This was a beautiful Certicate with a border and signitures until I butchered it in the copy process.
Sorry Nancy.. I am working on putting up images like this.
Colorado Technical University
This certifies that
Nancy Osterman
has successfully demonstrated the skills and knowledge required for
Colorado Technical University's professional certificate in
Corrections Technician
Undergraduate Level
April 2007
These people in the City don't believe in second chances. They've got it so a landlord is afraid to rent to someone with a felony conviction over 5 years old.
Soooo.......we have a Govrnemnt ass kisser and a bad girl gone good.....a sexy one at that!
I gotta tell ya Chuck, it's not lookin so good for ya from where I'm sittin.
Chuck,
This site has evolved as it attracts more people.
From past comments, you continue:
a) to put a sugar coating on dog excrement, and
b) you don't have the balls to do anything to fix a broken system.
From your comments, you exhibit the worst of the city's efforts and are part of the problem. You lack reasonableness and you lack legitimate concern.
It is time that you either put up or shut up.
What are you doing to fix the system?, and
What are you doing to put reasonableness into the system?
Your going to be suprised in the next month or so Chuck. My cousin was contacted by some out of town Attorney looking for people to bring more of these lawsuits.
Hi Chuck
I like to see people like Chuck Repke, who covers up for all the Democratic Party and their misdeeds.
I have poof of my home being unsafe to live in.
http://www.anglelfire.com/mn3/
billdahn/house.html
This site talks about sewer gases coming in my home, from the work RAP and their contractors did on my home in 1995.
But the city inspectors, can condemn and tear down good homes.
Why, and whom thinks this is fair housing.
42 USC Fair Housing
And who is it fair to?
Remember "Jesse Ventura" spoke out how sick he and "Dean Barkley" became, after only 20 minutes at Bill Dahn's home.
On July 19, 1998
I keep pointing at BAD GOVERNMENT, city, county, state and federal.
They tried to say I was nuts back then, but all the city did was help make the name Bill Dahn known as Freedom Fighter, activist for the elderly and poor.
I stuttered severely till 1999, then the grace of God gave me my speech.
I was delusional in that home, caused by sewer gases and formaldehyde.
CND:-MCS: Chemical Sensitivities
So if I can fight the "Dirt" in government, any body can.
THINK ABOUT "IT" !
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Enough IS Enough !
Bill Dahn for St.Paul City Council Ward 2
http://www.billdahn.blogspot.com
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Chuck Repke
Here it is from Bill Dahn.
The letter sent to Dean Barkley from Ramsey Action Program.
Read it And Shut Up.
http://www.angelfire.com/mn3/billdahn/house.html
Thank You.
http://www.billdahn.blogspot.com
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Sorry Chuck, I can't let you have all of the fun.
Bill,
I know for fact that a lot of your issues AFTER the poison was discovered in your house is of your own doing. You were more focused on trying to get Ventura than finding a place to live.
When you came into the DFL office a few years ago for help, you kicked the crap out of the receptionist to the point that when you pulled in the lot(everyday for a couple of weeks), I had to come to the lobby and meet you. You asked for help about your situation and I made copies of your videos, called a Barkley aide who didn't deny anyhing and then got on the phone about your house, healthcare and legal support. I remind readers, this is a partisan political office, not a social service office.
Every damn agency I called knew you and you had already burned that bridge by cussing them to hell, causing disruptions in the office and accusing everyone of conspiring against you. This was when people were trying to help you. Again, they were trying to address your housing, legal and health needs.
I worked a couple of appointments for you that you didn't show for. Our conversations led me to beleive that you were more bent on getting Jesse Ventura than focusing on someplace to live and taking care of your health. I also felt that the poison affected your cognitive skills a bit, which sets you off so quickly.
When you didn't fly off the handle, you were a decent regular guy who got screwed-over and needed help. Problem was, you could not stabilize your anger enough (trust me when I say that, I know what I'm talking about) to seperate those who were trying to help from those who had screwed you over.
You now have a vendetta against Democrats. When you came to the office for help, the office where our job was to beat republicans and not act as a sicial service agency, you got help and you even got strings pulled for you.
You seem to have some time your hands, how about you go to the Republican HQ and see if they make one phone call for you(except to security). Or the Libertarians or the Greens (they probably would if they had a phone).
While a branch of government may have put the screws to you (county), there were active Republicans involved in RAP at the time that should be sharing some of the blame.
Spread it around.
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Another note, I see that refuting Chuck has to resort to personal attacks. That always goes over well in court.
Eric M.
First off, I never said that your weren't an intelligent woman Nancy. I am sure that you are. I just have a hard time believing the story. It doesn't mean that you aren't smart, and it may not even mean that you aren't telling what you believe is the truth. But, it doesn't mean that it is the truth.
Like I said, my favorite part of your story is the begining where the cops plant not just any old crack pipe at your house, but your exboyfriend's crack pipe. It couldn't have just been that you had forgotten that your exboyfriend's crack pipe was sitting somewhere, innocent enough... it had to be that the cops picked him up, got a crack pipe from him, carried it around for a while and planted it in your house. And, then the saga goes on with police staking out your house waiting for that one moment in time that you wouldn't be with your kids so that they could charge you with neglect and take your kids away... oh, wouldn't it be nice if cops had that much time on their hands...
I could go on, and I am sure that is your perception of what occured that all of the police and all of the court service people and all of the judges and all of the inspectors and all of the city council members and on and on sit around and think about, how can we screw with Nancy today? But, having worked in corrections and having worked in city government, I can assure you, it just doesn't happen that way.
There isn't this great linkage of people that are out to get you or anyone else in particular. You just aren't that important.
I remember thousands of guys I would meet in the prison system who would tell me how the cops and the DA and the judge were all out to get them, and then I would run into the judge or the prosecutor and ask them about the case and they were clueless, couldn't remember the name, wasn't a significant moment in their life at all.
Which brings us back to the RICO suit, which is the title of this thread. To believe that there is a conspiracy of elected officials to put land lords out of business for the benefit of PHA at some point someone has to actually have that discussion. They have to conspire, network, talk to each other. When did that happen?
If on the other hand if what we have is a situation where it is/was particular land lords or property owners that the City was out to get, what is the motivation of getting landlord A over landlord B. Why pick on this one and not that one?
As to "your" house, Nancy, can you tell me when the house was legally in your name? What year was it when you had the power to sell it?
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Conspiracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Conspiracy (civil), agreement between two or more natural persons to break the law at some time in the future
Conspiracy (crime), agreement between two or more natural persons to break the law at some time in the future
Conspiracy (political), a plot to overthrow a government or other powers
"Hey Jesse"
Conspiracy (Caesar), the conspiracy to kill Julius Caesar
Conspiracy 58, conspiracy theory that claims that the 1958 Football World Cup in Sweden didn't really take place as commonly believed
No Chuck you must of misunderstood something written somewhere, my children were never ever left alone and further more I was never accused of it either, second NO the cops did not carry around my ex-boyfriends crack pipe again a misunderstanding??? I stated that my ex was out back of my place of residence repairing/working on my car when the police arrested him for a warrant from some checks of his that were stolen and written out ( check fraud which he was cleared of the charge being that the checks written had actually been stolen from him)at the time they arrested him the police knocked on my door and placed his belongings that they (the police) had taken out of his pockets along with a couple of tools inside my place, in with the items was the crack pipe at this point the officers stated that they had probable cause to search my place, so being that you have been in corrections I am sure you know all about how they conduct searches...my place was trashed by the police, that is when child protection was called in and the neglect issue came from the condition of my residence which was actually caused from the search which ended up being illegal and I was cleared of that one. The times I was guilty I admitted my guilt, in fact when the police asked me in one incident if I had drugs I said yes and handed the drugs over, I have no problem admitting the mistakes I made. Just thought you might like to know the truth Chuck I am not sure where or what you read that put my allegations the way you have pointed them out.
Nancy
As to my home Chuck I had a contract for dead with my mother for the home so it was in her name, in fact I am still making payments to her being that its not her fault what happened I still have the obligation to pay her. She signed off because of the situation I was in when I was being forced to sell with the understanding that I would pay her and I have been the making payments just as I promised.
Nancy
Nancy the story I read comes from www.landlordpolitcs.com/osterman1.html
And as we know passing from one person to another stories change and if anyone knows you can't always believe what you read it is me. So, if what I said isn't true, it wasn't because I was trying to tell any mistruth, it was what I read. Just like I have said I am sure you believe what you are saying is true as does Bill.
My point is that I don't buy a lot of conspiracies, I think Elvis is dead and Oswald acted alone, and I don't think that Randy Kelly would ever sit down and conspire with Steve Magner to do anything! I doubt if Kelly could pick him out of a line up. Somebody find me one person that was a City employee that Randy befriened... So, you think he would risk his political neck to help Magner make a buck?
The leaps of faith one has to make to believe this stuff is bigger than believing we never went to the moon and that it was all filmed on a sound stage by NASA.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Does anyone else notice how chuck is overtaking space here, turning the truth around and in general taking over? He's getting free reign. Just like all the out-of-control inspectors when they were given an agenda, notepad and free reign over everyone's property in saint paul. Getting all this recognition. Can't make it in the press, so here's good too right? What I think is that he has no opinion and all these ideas are second-hand gripes that he grabs and runs here with for some conversation.
Now Nancy pretty much has to be abused over again. This time by defending what really did happen to a "man", I'll use the term loosely, who will not quit man handeling her. You are a very sick, cruel person Mr. Repke. You can't just let someone get on with her life. Oh, maybe she's too good of a witness and you would like to discredit her. You are quite the coward. Defending insane people. You don't believe in anything supernatural do you? Seeing is believing with you right? Yah, I know your type. Cold, lonely, chip on the shoulder, right? I would love to see how you respond to what the future has in store. Things won't always be so comfy.
12:26, I have to agree with you. Chuck is really going out of his way to discredit Nancy. Even going as far as to compare her to BILL. Come on Chuck!
Ole Chucky must be confering with the City Attorney.
What's up Chuck, you are political strategist, do you see the end is near? Are you worried about being on the outside looking in?
In the future, expect to see Chuck wearing a sandwich sign saying "The End is Nearer than You Think".
By the way, Bill has more integrity in his little finger than Chuck has in his entirety.
I don't think Chuck is picking on Nancy. All he's doing is making sure all of the information is out there for an inteligent decision to be made on. I enjoy Chuck's perspective on things and look forward to seeing his posts here as much as anyone elses post. That is after all what has made this site so popular with a lot of people is thea fact that everyone has access to get their point out, evenb Eric M, but I don't like him as much.
Decisions are for the courts.
Are you single Chuck?
I am 36 years old, one child who is almost grown. Blonde hair, blue eyes, 5'5" 135lbs, and secure in my job. I have a really hot photo if you are interested. I'd like to see a photo of you Chuck.
I like a man who isn't afraid to speak his mind!
Amanda
Chuck I have tried to read the information that you say came from this site;
www.landlordpolitcs.com/osterman1.html
one problem when I try to go to it I get;
We can't find "www.landlordpolitcs.com/osterman1.html"
If you could check again I would really like to see what was written and correct any/all misinformation that may be posted there.
Thanks Nancy
There was a conspiracy Chuck and I am quite certain that it will be proven. It seems pretty obvious from what has been written here and I doubt the Plaintiffs would be alleging a lot of these things if they cannot prove them.
Also regarding one of your previous posts regarding that no one made any money.....I don't know if they did or not, but I am pretty sure that all they have to do is try. The fact that they did not make any money doesn't hold water any more than to say because someone was not successful at robbing a bank that they really didn't rob the bank. These city screwed up with what they did, and then they screwed up again by chosing the wrong people to do it to and they continue to screw up by thinking they are just going to obstruct obstruct obstruct and somehow this is all magically going to go away. Meanwhile the more time these guys have, the better case they develop and the deeper the city digs itself into a hole.....a hole that is going to cost a lot of our taxpayer money to get out of. Think about it for a minute, the city should have went and got Summary Judgement a long time ago. This thing has been going on for years and there is still no Summary Judgement in sight, just more evidence being developed by the other side. Doesn't sound like a smart way to fight a lawsuit to me.
I'm so sick and tired of all the lies, all the coverup, all the politcos who make excuses for corruption and evil to exist, corrupt leaders who obstruct justice and hide evidence, taxpayers who are perfectly happy to look the other way as long as it is not them who are getting the shaft, and newspapers and TV stations who say nothing because they want to stay on the "A List" for the parties these dirty Government leaders throw for them. It's really time for a change in St Paul, and as far as I am concerned that means a "clean sweep" at the City Council level when the elections roll around in November.
get used to it! After you live in St. Paul for a while you won't even notice it.
Try this Nancy
http://www.landlordpolitics.com/osterman1.html
If that doesn't work google yourself and look for that line on the bottem.
chuck
Amanda, your post was off topic big time. Besides, Chuck is spoken for and ya wouldn't want to tangle with Gloria believe me, her mouth is sassier than "Pearl The Landlord"!
Ah yes....good old Pearl....which makes me think, simce we have all been so good....even Bill Dahn.....isn't it about time you treat us to another one of your landlord videos?
Ok.Chuck I have read that blog also several times and it does not support the things you stated as to my allegations, someone must have a difficult time understanding what they read either that or read it the way they would of liked it to read. I feel if you were to read my appeals case you would have a better understanding of facts that were documented evidence that support my claims of officials lying, sorry Chuck but they do lie and yes they get caught at it too.
Chuck I have friends that are cops, my boyfriend in fact was a St.Paul cop til he resigned and started for the Ramsey Co.Sheriffs Dept, also many of my professors were at one time cops.. guess what Chuck they state that incidents such as mine are very common practices of many law enforcement officers, like anything there are some bad apples amongst the good.Just as I am sure being that you been in corrections and now closely involved with city council members you must see that this is true whether you care to admit it or not. Some people receive power and have a difficult time handling it properly and yes they too will face the consequences as we are now seeing happen with these lawsuits, and the evidence that is coming out against the defendants.
Nancy
You are not going to get anywhere talking to any of these poeple and trying to reason with them Nancy. They cannot come out and say they think this type of behavior is OK because the voters would have thier heads, so they come up with different methods to justify it. The things these propety owners are alleging did happen and many people know it happened. It was not just these people that suffered this treatment from the city, it has been many other opwners also. I know first hand because I know 2 of them who are not in the lawsuit, but went through the same thing these guys did. My prediction is that the city will continue to deny and obstruct. Meanwhile the landlords will just get all the more evidence againt them. There will be more lawsuits filed, and hwerever and whenever this thing comes to an end, with the current "political climate" and peoples distrust and dislike of Government in general, there is no doubt in my mind that these guys are going to win their case and when they do, that's when the floodgates will open and everyone that has had this happen to them will be suing the city. When that happens, all the people like Chuck will still be coming up with excuses. Then the story will be that the city got a bad verdict from the jury. Time will tell and I'll bet I am not too far off with my predicitions.
To 4:22
You are at least partly correct. I know for a fact that there is at least one other lawsuit going to get filed against the city because I know the person who is suing. As of last week he was just getting his ducks lined up with his Attorney before they serve it. His Attorney told him that with all this evidence flying around and a city that is in such a state of denial that it is going to be like shooting fish in a barrel. Just wait till word of that gets around!
Does this mean that Kathy Lantry will not be taking complaints in her office for too much longer.
The great news today is
Eric M's comment about me ( Bill Dahn ), has really open a few doors for my house.
I received 7 calls from a verity of people that need a good deed to open, and show how RAP, NSP,
Norm Coleman and the city council and others has discriminated against a disabled person for
Years.
In St.Paul, we had enough cover up's to last us a life time.
Thank you for bringing out about Jesse Ventura.
I never whated to know Jesse V.
Until Jesse's campaign people called me and said that Jesse Ventura and Dean Barkley would like to come over on July 19,1998, they told me to only have my running mate Jim Kane there at the time they come over.
I never intended to run for governor, but July 14,1998 I received a phone call and it was a threat to shut me up or else.
So for being pushed around sense 10,1995 for complaining about my formaldehyde soaked insulation in my home.
You can see on my web site under homestead, a letter sent to Dean Barkley on 12-15-1998 at the capital saying there was sewer gases coming thru my furnace from the work Ramsey Action Program aka RAP and their contractors did on Bill Dahn's home.
In 1996 I had Bill Hughes, a ex building inspector for the City of St.Paul show people from the city inspectors office, RAP, NSP,and others thru my home and they tried to say that the damage was from other thing.
In the letter it tells that RAP is willing to fix the damage if I cheat the system for them.
www.billdahn.com
and look up CND: Chemical Sensitivities and see what chemical smell do to some people. Enough IS Enough !
Vote for Bill Dahn St.paul City Council Ward 2
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Bill I don't want to see people pick on you here again. Please, go get help Bill. You need it my friend.
It isn't normal to drone on the same story week after week. Mental health services will provide you with assistance free of charge.
They can help you through some of these anger issues.
Thune may have help for you Bill.....call Repke and see if you can get an appointment set up. Perhaps you, Repke and Thune could have lunch together (your treat of course) and talk this thing out so you can get past it and have a life.
Norm Coleman? The Republican Senator screwed you over? In 1998 he was a Republican Mayor and it was his appointees that were running this city.
Try this contact info for help:
525 Park St
Suite 250
St Paul, MN 55103
Phone
651-222-0022
I just can not resist here.
Since this is a DFL town and the DFL are proposing taxes for starting every program under the sun and banning everything for your protection, why doesn’t Bill call Brian Melendez at the DFL headquarters in Minnesota? The address and phone numbers are located below.
Minnesota DFL Party Headquarters
255 East Plato Blvd
St. Paul, MN 55107
Phone: 651-293-1200
Toll-Free: 1-800-999-7457
Fax: 651-251-6325
Calling the Republican Party of Minnesota is like asking a boy to do a man’s job. St. Paul is controlled by the DFL (seven city council members and the mayor). Look at the school board in St. Paul, six DFLers and one Republican. In fact this only Republican on the school board is the only elected Republican in the city. Is there something wrong with this picture? This one party DFL town should either help Bill or shut up.
Probably a better source for help for Bill would be the following:
State Mental Health Agency
For more information about admission, care, treatment, release, and patient follow-up in public or private psychiatric residential facilities; contact your State mental health agency:
Department of Human Services
Mental Health Program Division
Human Services Building
444 Lafayette Road
Saint Paul, MN 55155-3828
Phone: 651-431-2225
Spanish Language Referral Line: 888-428-3438
E-mail: DHS.info@state.mn.us
Internet: www.dhs.state.mn.us
Here is another thread high jacked by Bill Dahn and the people who have learned to dislike him.
Bill, you aren't helping us win the good fight by high jacking threads for your own selfish reasons.
Please stay on topic! I value your input when you act as part of our group. I do not value off topic post that distract from the topics I posted!
Many wonder who's side you are on Bill..Do you get a pay check from the City to come here and distract from other peoples issues? lol
Bill isn't insane! He has anger issues..I lost a home years ago. It was my own fault, I abandoned it. I still had regrets and emotional issues over it for years.
Please everyone, let's stay on topic and be considerate of others feelings.
Bill please call me..
Bob is right about Bill! Bill call Bob and please be respectful of others as this is an important thread.
I was talking to a neighbor who is in his late 90s. He is still driving and has a very sharp mind.
I was explaining to him some of what has been posted here and he just smiled. He began to tell about the events of the of St. Paul's past and the crooks in city hall. It seems this one party town has not changed in 97 years.
If we even question a police officer or city official we will get our heads bashed in or have our home taken away. He reminded me of the recent incident in Anoka County (Coon Rapids) where the family had to protect themselves from a bad cop with anger issues. The father had to shoot the cop to protect his wife from getting shot. Now in the paper today there is a story of this guy who wanted to ride his bike from the airport and he ran into the thugs at the airport who had guns and other stuff like tazers. You have the code enforcement people tearing down houses or forcing people to sell to their friends. This sounds like the mob at work here. This is starting to sound like New York or Chicago.
The same stuff is happening today like it did over 90 years ago. You would think we would learn a little from history, but I guess we have not learned anything in the past 90 plus years.
WD in St. Paul
Bill D,
I appreciate you. You also show a lot of courage.
As far as the anger, I have no understanding of the intensity of the RAP events, but the anger is cutting into your effectiveness, and eating you up inside. I think a number of people also have issues with anger because of the deep sleaze the City of St Paul is imposing on people.
Try this internal dialogue:
1). I must be neurotic if I think I must always get what I want.
2). I think too highly of myself and my family to double the impact of the nasty things I encountered by internalizing anger.
Remember also the age old advice to never let the sun go down on your anger.
Ya, say Bill, I am just trying to firm up a few things here and I was wondering if that there insulation was the formaldahyde stuff or the blow in styrophone stuff. Would appreciate it if you could clear that up for me.
hey everyone, bill is back! he posted under the 4/3 thread and stayed on topic. i think billy is bored with us ribbing him he didn't come at us with any blown insulation.
St. Paul stinks like rotten fish. One can only hope this Mayor and council are voted out when the time comes. Someone said Rubber ankle Coleman... Boy did that hit the nail on the head. He is such a disappointment. He has let the city down with higher taxes and a refusal to reign in the bureaucrats. His father is spinning in his grave.
I had a St. Paul police officer tell me to my face that the city is TRYING to get rid of all the rental property in Ward 2. Straight faced he said they don't want any rental property. I am so sick of pretending that St. Paul is a upward mobile progressive democratic city. It's all lip service. With a diverse city you have poor, and St. Paul and it's mayor don't like the poor unless it will get them federal money to misappropriate to their own desires. With the poor comes money that they can non profit out. It is just a racket. Ya all better be nice to Chuck he is the only one who comes here to play. Your living in a unrealistic world Chuck...your buddies are going to jail. The F BI has been all over this for years. They just sit back and wait and when it's over Magner will be in jail.
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