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Thursday, December 02, 2010

Saint Paul/ 520 Rice st. similarities to the fair housing lawsuits.

Folks as you can see, I deleted the previous post on this topic. Thank you Chuck, Jeff, Andy for helping me maintain the integrity of this town hall. I seek only the truth.
Please click onto the COMMENTS for the story.

32 Comments:

Blogger Bob said...

Hi All,

First of all I want to apologise to anyone I may of offended.

I have made errors in the past and made public apologies. I learned from these mistakes and most often check and recheck things sent to me. I have been sick the last few days and not sleeping well.

I did attempt to verify the information I was given and was confused by that simple map. Jeesh, I was reading maps long before the Internet was ever heard of. If it wasn't for this simple error of not understanding that map I wouldn't of made such a big mistake.

Chuck helped me see my error.

I will continue on with this story with what I have been able to confirm from someone close to the issue.


FACTS-

The Delisle Family are housing Icons in Saint Paul. They have provided low income affordable rental housing for decades. With no problems with the city until recently.

The Delisles sell homes on contract for deeds to folks who can not get conventional loans. They don't sell these homes to just anyone either. They sell homes to people who have the potential to build or repair credit and secure a loan with a bank in the future. They help people achieve the American Dream to own a home.

Many of these people who bought homes from Delisle have not registered their contract for deeds and now the city wants to inspect their private homes as if the property were rentals.

The Delisle family has always had a good working relationship with the city until recent years.

When 520 Rice street was condemned the Delisle's payed the expense's to move 12 families. They provided the trucks, fuel, and labor. They placed 9 families, and 3 went with friends. Most all the tenants wanted to stay and about a dozen showed up at the council meeting to let the council know they didn't want to be thrown out in the street.

They were thrown out into the street and a good man (their landlord Jeff Delisle) took them under his wing and placed them in housing.

Councilman Carter thought he was doing these folks a favor and offered up a place these tenants could get a free turkey dinner.
In my opinion and the opinion of others it is a nasty gesture after he voted to throw them in the street. Here's your new life folk's, hand outs and freebies during the thanksgiving holiday when we are all suppose to be giving thanks.

The electrical repairs had been completed before the condemnation.
The new stair plans were being drawn up by a designer. The designer was also planning a scaffold for a fire escape while the stairs were being constructed.

The tenant that died in this building, was mentally ill. The tenant erected a homeless person type shelter inside the apartment, and was living in this thing. The tenant used candles inside this thing and started a fire. How can anyone blame the building owner for this? He can't babysit his tenants.

It appears the city is targeting Delisle. And moving on with Andy Dawkins objective of removing the lowest rung of rental properties.

It appears Delisle problem is exactly what the plaintiffs claim in their federal case against the city.

11:59 PM  
Blogger Bob said...

I almost forgot. One other building of Delisles has been condemned.

Why now after all these years is this happening to this family with a long history of doing business in Saint Paul?

Is it because like the Tribune stated "it is a gritty building in the shadow of the capitol"?

Is the thinking "get those low income undesirable not so pretty poor folk out of that gritty building and that neighborhood"?

If it is all the above, and considering the BIG MONEY Delisle has that could cost the city millions in litigation, wouldn't it be cheaper just to pay the man the value of the building and everyone go their separate ways?

You folks know me, I'm hoping Jeff Delisle has the spirit of Steinhauser, Gallagher, Johnson. and all the rest of the litigants who currently are waging a battle to sustain their right to provide affordable housing.

12:20 AM  
Anonymous Bill Dahn said...

The way of the city is not paying, the West Side Flats were taken if they didn't sell for pennies.
They told the people if YOU DON"T sell to the city we will just condemn it and take it.
That it was a flood plain and no one will "ever" live on the West Side Flats again!
Lie Steal and then they threaten you with condemning and taking the property and not paying a penny.
Lie, Cheat, then Steal from us and we as people will stand up and kick the asses of these lying crooks that run St.Paul.
I'm thinking of running for ward 2, I will move back in that area and make it legal.
Now Chuck, people know me as a ass kicker on the cities government,
and how they lied about the condition of my home after Ramsey Action Program insulated and put in a bad furnace donated by NSP Co.
after they bought a company that went bankrupt because the furnaces were junk.
Chuck if the St.Paul Democrat Mayor Norm Coleman and Dave Thune didn't have their hand in the cookie jar the house would have been repaired without the battle they put us people thru.

REMEMBER PEOPLE Bill Dahn received 104,000 VOTES on Nov. 2 and spent only $80.00.

7:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That was a BIG turn out , your now your foot is telling a story with these people in government.

7:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

St Paul has to deal with reality. It has a lot of older housing stock that is expensive to maintain. Add to that weak to non-existent leadership and its in trouble.

The city sold their soul to the devil trying to put a veneer over their problems (Dawkins bears a close resemblance to Satan). Now they have hell to pay.

7:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bob

If you pull up the City data on this property you will see that it was last certified in Oct 08. The inspection was in July 08 and it was certified three months later after these issues were repaired:

"Inspection Results (most recent first):
10/13/2008: Approved
1. BASEMENT: Excessive Accumulation Of Materials MN Stat 299F.18 (Abated - 3rd reinspection) - Severity 8
2. BASEMENT: Approved Plumbing Materials SPC 4715.0400 (Abated - 2nd reinspection)
3. EXTERIOR: Trash Containers -Frequency SPLC 34.11 (7), 34.34 (4) (Abated - 2nd reinspection) - Severity 6
4. STORE: Water Heater Maintenance SPLC 34.11 (5), 34.34 (2) (Abated - 3rd reinspection) - Severity 6
5. STORE: Blank 1 (Abated - 3rd reinspection)
6. STORE: Excessive Accumulation Of Materials MN Stat 299F.18 (Abated - 2nd reinspection) - Severity 8

09/08/2008: Correction Orders

08/06/2008: Correction Orders
1. 10,4,: Provide Sleeping Room Egress Window MSFC1026.1 (Abated - 2nd reinspection) - Severity 9
2. 2ND FLOOR: Ext. Door Latch SPLC 34.09 (3), 34.32 (3) (Abated - 2nd reinspection) - Severity 3
3. EXTERIOR: Ext. Surface Accessory Structures SPLC 34.08(5), 34.31(3) (Abated - 2nd reinspection) - Severity 3
4. EXTERIOR: Window Screen SPLC 34.09 (3), 34.32 (3) (Abated - 2nd reinspection) - Severity 2
5. INTERIOR: Electrical Room Sign MSFC 605.3.1 (Abated - 2nd reinspection)
6. STORAGE ROOMS: Maintain Fire Resistive Construction MSFC 703 (Abated - 2nd reinspection) - Severity 6
7. UNIT 1: Ext. Window Glass SPLC 34.09 (3), 34.32 (3) (Abated - 2nd reinspection) - Severity 2
8. UNIT 1: Repair Interior Walls SPLC 34.10 (7), 34.33 (6) (Abated - 2nd reinspection) - Severity 4
9. UNIT 11: Interior Unsanitary SPLC 34.10 (5), 34.33 (4), 34.16 (Abated - 2nd reinspection) - Severity 8
10. UNIT 5: Unapproved Locks MSFC 1003.3.1.8 as amended (Abated - 2nd reinspection) - Severity 9
11. UNIT 5: Dead Bolt Required SPLC 34.09 (3) i (Abated - 2nd reinspection) - Severity 5
12. UNIT 5: Exit Obstruction MSFC 1011.2 (Abated - 2nd reinspection) - Severity 4
13. UNIT 9: Repair Interior Walls SPLC 34.10 (7), 34.33 (6) (Abated - 2nd reinspection) - Severity 4
14. Heating Equipment Maintenance SPLC 34.11 (6), 34.34 (Abated - 2nd reinspection) - Severity 5
15. Fire Alarm Annual Testing MSFC 907.20 as amended (Abated - 2nd reinspection) - Severity 4

07/08/2008: Correction Orders
1. Required Smoke Detector Affidavit SPLC 39.02(c) (Abated - 1st inspection) - Severity 9"

They didn't shut it down for those issues Bob. They let them repair it.

What stimulated an inspection in Sept 10 was a call from a tenant:

"Plumbing issues, water was shut off without notice and is still off for days now."

That is the evil conspiracy out to get this land owner Bob.

One of the residents had no water for days and called it in.

When they go to check on the building they find this:

"apt. 2.Stray voltage problem. radiator is energized at about 120 volts to ground. Electrician needs to correct under permit immediately"

So, why is the City concerned about how quickly repairs will be done in this building?

Because a few years ago you had this:

"UNIT #7. FIRE -- THE OCCUPANT WAS FOUND IN THE ROOM OF ORIGIN WHEN THE F.D. ARRIVED. THE VICTIM WAS TRANSPORTED VIA MEDIC #4 TO REGIONS HOSPITAL. MEDIC #25814. THE VICTIM WAS PRONOUNCED DEAD AND HAS BEEN TRANSFERRED TO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE"

So, the City gets a call on a building where the water has been off for several days, when they get there they find electrical issues where someone could get killed, in a building where someone has already died in a fire and you would suggest that the City should just turn its head?

Bob, no conspiracy, no evil City, just people doing their job to make sure buildings are safe for some of the poorest residents in the City to live.

Someone has to make sure the water is on Bob and that they don't get electricuted.

JMONTOMEPPOF

Chuck Repke

8:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They shut the water off to make the electric safe you moron. Can't you understand even the simplest of things Repke?

10:32 AM  
Blogger Bob said...

Chuck, I have to go to work and you give me a lot to address.

But, before I go!

What are you trying to do Chuck? Throw this dead person who was responsible for their own death in the mix to demonize Delisle.

Chuck you are a landlord this person could of been renting from you.
If this person had burned to death in your building would you hold yourself responsible?

How is the building owner responsible for the death of this tenant? Did he provide the candles? Did he errect the make shift shelter in the apartment? Maybe he lite the match?

I said quote;
The tenant that died in this building, was mentally ill. The tenant erected a homeless person type shelter inside the apartment, and was living in this thing. The tenant used candles inside this thing and started a fire. How can anyone blame the building owner for this? He can't babysit his tenants.

The list of repairs in 2008-->

The city signed off and APPROVED the work. And it really wasn't that long ago! The END of 2008.

There will be issues with any old building. Most low income renters rarely complain about anything until they don't have the rent. NO rent, the landlord gets to hear about all the crap the tenant broke and why haven't you fixed it?

This list may appear to be alot of work glancing over it, but it is really simple stuff to remedy and 9times out of ten the renters are responsible for accumulation and not reporting needed repairs.
Recent issues-

ALL of these issue in 2008 were
CLOSED, CANCELED, Or APPROVED in late 2008.

I have to get to work. Chuck if you have time will you post the recent violations?

10:43 AM  
Blogger Bob said...

And one last thing. This is a BIG old building. The list of repairs current and past is really not that big for a old building this large. Torn screens, broken latches.. Come on! These types of work orders are simple non safety issues and make a repair list look long.

10:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Again, I have always believed that the banks that actually own the property need to step up to the plate and protect their interests.

Something I recall about banks being exempt from paying property taxes and or mow the lawn and keep up the property when the house becomes not lived in ?

I don't know what the president and loan officers of a bank are thinking when they learn many months later that the person they lent the money too to get into the home has allowed it to become in peril of demolition or closure to non rental status ?

I think the bank in this situation stands too gain because if light rail is coming to that location, the bank will eventually get the proceeds from a city buyout.

But my point is that banks need to be accountable for "Their" property in fact, when the city wants to take such invasive measures against the property.

But, why bother when these banks took billions in bailout money and the concern for homes in these situations are really just a headache and in this case, it's a win win because the property will be bought through a city buyout for the light rail.

The lives of 20 families are just not that important anymore.

Hold banks accountable for repairs and upkeep. They should be at least the default party liable to DSI before the families are put out.

I would as a city council member propose an ordinance that includes that no homes will have DSI action taken against it unless the banks (as the default party responcible)are held to answer DSI concerns.



Jeff Matiatos

11:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Banks and homeowners are partners in the transaction and both have a vested interest in making sure the investment is sound.
Banks need to inspect the properties for wich they mortage out to home buyers and any other property for that matter.

So it's this kind of failure by Government to make banks accountable is what led to the wreckless lending practices that created the bailouts in the first place.

Landlords are human too and get overwhelmed by the sudden and un expected housing repairs that surface.

It sounds though like Delisle had the funds to make all these repairs and even re locate 12 families so this is why I question how come these violations and repairs were not taken care of ?

This will no dougbt make Delisle a more informed landlord in the sence that he knows now you can never get to comfortable with the city of St.Paul. Expect the un expected at anytime.






Jeff Matiatos

12:00 PM  
Anonymous les lucht said...

I got my arraignment date. It is Feb 03,2011. What a f--k . I have to wait three months for arraignment hear. What happend to speedy trial. I called The distrrict court . set up meeting with cheif judge. on dec 16,2010.
But no response yet to confirm the meeting.

I guest I will flie a lawsuit against the district court and the city of St.Paul for voilations of civil rights. And Due process.

Chuck oyur pals are going for the count. With landlords And me too now. I amdlfer delegate and I lived in the city of St.Paul.

That guy that replace kessler he does returns calls. He is in hiding. I will at city hall on drc 16,2010. Then to the federal court house. down the street. More lawsuits. Who in their right mind would want live in city that screws with All time.

1:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's only two months Les, 60 days. You do know that the courts are over burdened since the last budget that passed cut their resources by 40%. Be happy that you're not sitting in some jail waiting for your date in court.

6:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chuck ? I hear the city is creating a new post and they want you to run for it.

" Propaganda Minister "

8:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would be curious Bob to know what the truth in sale housing report (TISH) said about Delisle's property.
I mean this would be a starting base for which to work from in terms of making repairs well in advance of future inspections.
Anybody else care to comment ?




Jeff Matiatos

8:23 PM  
Anonymous Les Lucht said...

I will be better off in jail then talking to those clowns in city hall. I would had my arraignment hearing. Then the city would dismissed the make up case.
PUT A HARD WORKING PERSON IN JAIL.
because the city can not following the law and court decidions. let just make ourown laws to f--k the people. So, we can get money.

I heared that ss troops are at your door chuck. Ths dsi inspectorcoming giveyou some work order fix up your house. Or we will throw your ass in jail. Chuck.

chuck you need to tell dave T. fix up this house or the dsi inspector tell him. Wait dave get a pass on that stuffs. Because he gives them their orders. Who f--k with and Kathly L. too. I am born free
born free. I will flight for my rights in the courts and the streets. I am pass out flyers this weekend. on the city coucils collect taxes from every that appeal thiers work orders b dsi.

And pay dis for its fees.

chuck need to tell your buddies that this going to changes to city councils or every one will move f--k out of the city of st.paul.

9:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has anyone hear for eric lately??

9:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The KKK has been in the area attending the St.Paul City Hall convention for DSI Nazis !!!
Does that answer your question Les ?

10:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:20 PM,

You forgot one thing, you can call Thune's property into the city, but Fire and DSI will look the other way because of Thune's position on the city council. Several years ago, Thune's property was called into the city, pictures of his property were posted, but the city covered for Thune. The city gave Thune a pass because Thune is a city council member.

10:16 AM  
Blogger Sharon 4Anderson said...

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10:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well whats Thunes address ? You don't have to post it but look it up on the St.Paul City website to see if it's true.

How about checking Thunes address out Chuck and giving us the facts on your friend or are you to afraid ? You had no problem doing it on Delisles property .



Jeff Matiatos

1:00 PM  
Anonymous les lucht said...

chuck willnot talk bad about his pal dave. He will talked bad about everyone else. he stay on the good side of his pal dave.

2:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Irving (home) West 7th (business).

3:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The misguided life of code enforcement officers and city official's have made St.Paul scarier then the gangs they claim to be protecting us from.
Terror is coming thru the ranks from Mayor Chris Coleman down to the lowest piss-ant in St.Paul's Government.
Code enforcement has become like medieval behavior in St.Paul and the citizens are turning their backs on this disgusting behavior. Now we have OBOMA on that
DFL Russian Party and he's trashing the U S the same as the party is trashing St.Paul

6:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

chuck willnot talk bad about his pal dave. He will talked bad about my pal bill dahn.
chuck sometime speaks with fork tongue and tries to mislead the readers.

6:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a hot topic about what about a landlord that tries to make his tenants happy with a safe apartment and reasonable rents.
Delisle in 2008 was blamed for a death of a tenant when she apparently had some mental incapacity believing she was homeless and living in some type of shelter within her apartment and the fire, and her death was do to her burning candles within it causing the fire and resulted in her own death.

Now he is being sited for one tenant having to many extension cords.
So Mr. Delisle is blamed for things tenants do with out anyone knowledge and then evict the who building and they get tossed out on the sidewalk and no where to go.
Dose the city want that property and had a tenant set up the landlord for easer thief of the property by the city.
His building and property value will rise and someone in city government wants to make money off it some how.
Why is this happening and we all seen what the city did to Nancy O.

7:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Almost every inspection they do cites extension cords as a code violation. Renter are not allowed to use them but every home owner that I know has them all over. Why the double standard? If they cannot be used why is it that they do not make a law outlawing them the same as drugs? Going back to Nancy O. I remember how all the Chuck and Eric types were bad mouthing the landlords and telling Nancy that they were just using her. It would be interesting now that some time has passed and Nancy O. has gooten to know these people a little better if she thinks she ws being used or if those friendshipos she made were real. I wonder who she would like as a friend......Chuck and Eric or some of the landlords?

9:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Almost every inspection they do cites extension cords as a code violation. Renter are not allowed to use them but every home owner that I know has them all over. Why the double standard? If they cannot be used why is it that they do not make a law outlawing them the same as drugs?

The standards are higher for businesses (rental property) than private residences. Homeowners have to have insurance too.
The standards from the health department are higher for restaurants than they are for your private kitchen. Why? Because when serving the public, you cannot be negligent on safety and health and if it proven that multiple ext cords cause a high amount of fires, then its not safe. Landlords should like this rule as tenants will plug in several of them into one. The only landlords who do not like this are the ones that have not brought the electricity up to code.

I remember how all the Chuck and Eric types were bad mouthing the landlords and telling Nancy that they were just using her. It would be interesting now that some time has passed and Nancy O. has gooten to know these people a little better if she thinks she ws being used or if those friendshipos she made were real. I wonder who she would like as a friend......Chuck and Eric or some of the landlords?

Chuck and I are in disagreement on Nancy's situation. I was the one who stood/stand by her assertion that the city over-reached. I wasn't trying to be her friend outright or get anything from her. I just made a call based on what I saw and read. I'm good friend btw but I don't what that has to do with the price of tea in China.


Eric

8:43 AM  
Anonymous Sandy said...

WE MISSED YOU ERIC!

9:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yep, it is good to hear from you Eric.

Signed
Responsible landlord

please post the electrical violations Bob.

9:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chuck said a radiator was charged with electricity. COULDN'T HAPPEN! PLUMBING IS GROUNDED AS SOON AS A LIVE WIRE TOUCHES GROUND IT BLOWS A FUSE OR TRIPS A BREAKER.

9:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eric,"Landlords should like this rule as tenants will plug in several of them into one. The only landlords who do not like this are the ones that have not brought the electricity up to code."

Eric,the sad truth of the matter is that tenants will use the outlet strips and extension cords whether a landlord has the electrical up to code or not. Tenants choose where they want to plug in according to where they choose to put their furnishings at the moment, and even if a landlord has extra outlets added for them before they move in, the tenants don't necessary bother to use then anyway. This has been the case with many of our renters.
Maybe the city should have tenants take a safety course and pass an exam before they are allowed to rent from a landlord! That would be a way for the city to get some extra money. Then they could fine the tenants for using the so called "illegal extension cords etc." They could call it a "The St Paul Renters Saftey Class"
Please quit blaming every saftey issue on the landlords.

7:43 PM  

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