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Tuesday, March 23, 2010

Would-be renters forced to live with family, friends

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Anonymous Tribune said...

Rental vacancies and homelessness rose in the fourth quarter, as would-be renters moved in with family, friends.


Last update: March 22, 2010 - 8:49 PM

The recession may have officially ended last summer, but a new report out Monday shows continued turmoil in housing.

At 7.3 percent, the apartment vacancy rate in the Twin Cities is the highest since 2004 and jobs in housing construction fell below 8,500 -- the lowest since 1992, according to a fourth-quarter housing snapshot issued by the Minnesota Housing Partnership, a St. Paul nonprofit.

So, if renters aren't all rushing to buy homes, where are they going? More families wound up in shelters, the report said. But many others are moving back in with family or shacking up with friends to save on rent, the report suggests.

Homelessness rose in Hennepin County in the fourth quarter, with the county's shelters averaging about 260 families, according to the housing snapshot. That's 12 percent more than a year earlier, and up nearly 70 percent from 2006. Minneapolis and St. Paul public schools reported 4,700 homeless children through December, an increase of 8 percent from a year ago, according to the report.

However, the number of homeless families dipped in December, indicating that aid from last year's federal stimulus bill kicked in to help, it said.

The shack-up factor is probably masking the true number of families who have lost their homes, said Matt Eichenlaub, a housing attorney at Home Line, a Minneapolis-based tenants right organization. Renting when you have poor credit and an eviction on your record is very difficult, he said. But, mostly, people don't wind up living on the street, he said.

It's not easy moving in with family, he noted: "I like my brother but I don't think I'd want to live with him anymore."

One in five renters was behind on rent in the fourth quarter, down from 23 percent of people in the third quarter. The report concluded that decline, in the "non-luxury" segment, was "probably due to more vigorous collections efforts."

The shack-up phenomenon will likely stick around for a while. Employment isn't expected to return to its pre-recession high until the end of 2012, said state economist Tom Stinson.
The state's jobless rate is currently at 7.3 percent, below the national rate of 9.7.
"There's going to be a lot of people living with their parents and doubling up for some time," he said.

Jennifer Bjorhus • 612-673-4683

10:59 AM  
Blogger Bob said...

What a wonderful opportunity for Saint Paul's housing code enforcement.

I'm sure Saint Paul's housing code enforcement is working overtime to rid the city of over crowding situations, condemning more innocent women and children to the streets in the name of safety.

After all wouldn't these homeless folks be better off under a bridge than with their family in over crowded housing? Or would they?

It is a fact, the police have been very hostile to homeless people caught under a bridge or in the woods at a camp site. Stripping them of their belongings and threatening arrest.

11:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This does not suprise me a bit. After years of regulations by the both cities to try everything they can to increase the cost of an apartment we are finally at the point where people just cannot afford the rents any more. Good deal huh Eric?

1:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you people read the stories that are posted here or does the crap just spew out of your finger tips.

There is a 7.3% vacancy rate in rental properties. That means that there are places available to be rented (past the inspections) and there is nobody renting them.

Is that just to F'ing complicated for you to understand?

What that means for you bottom feeders is that your tenants don't have to put up with your garbage anymore and there is no excuse for the inspectors to look the other way for your code violations because your tenants can move somewhere else with no problem.

I'd be shaking in my boots if I were you guys.


Chuck Repke

2:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What that means for you bottom feeders is that your tenants don't have to put up with your garbage anymore and there is no excuse for the inspectors to look the other way for your code violations because your tenants can move somewhere else with no problem.

I'd be shaking in my boots if I were you guys.


Chuck Repke

We can read Chuckie. What this means is Obamas recession, I mean depression has created a situation people can't afford housing. Economic circumstances combined with city policies are sure to make even more people homeless.

3:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No Chuck, it is too bad people can no longer afford rental due to the increase of rent from the inspection program costs inflicted upon the residential rental business owners. Now we have vacancies galore and the safety issues of overcrowding cause people can not afford to rent!

3:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Getting rid of the affordable housing sure looks like it worked out well for the cities! Its a shame that people are not given the choice to live in affordable housing any longer. Time to build more shelters and jails for those who feel they have no option but to turn to crime to get a place to live, better than being booted from under bridge to bridge.

3:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chuck do you read and think before you type or are you just so selfish that you do not care about all those families with children being homeless? I guess as long as its not your family what does it matter to you is your attitude! 4700 children homeless, that is a real shame. Children need stability and a place to call home in order to progress in a positive way. Hope you feel good about yourself and rot in hell!

3:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No the tenants don't have to put up with garbage any more. Now they can live under a bridge or anywhere else..just not a house or apartment. Chuck and Eric have the idea that the low income people that contribute nothing to the tax base of the country should live a whole lot better than the rest who pay the taxes. Well now the free ride is coming to an end and they are still bitching about the landlords and their substandard housing. I would think you guys would be happy. No more substandard housign. No more landlords taking cash and not paying taxes like the Democrats do. Just streets to live on and since there's a lot of them the housing should not be a problem should it boys? The more accomplished on the low income crowd will reserve the bridges and the caves for themselves to live under

6:11 PM  
Anonymous Bucky Scungilli said...


You're a DFLer, but you're not a total retard. So riddle me this:

1) You've been leading the charge at demonizing private landlords for as long as I've been reading you. Have you noticed any parallels between Saint Paul and New York, where landlords are actively demonized and it's impossible to find an apartment if you make less than half a million a year (in Manhattan), even though there are hundreds of blocks of perfectly good (if blighted) housing way uptown? You do realize you're shooting for the same end result, don't you?

2) Those purported 7.3 % vacancies - tell me, how many of those are "affordable", given the number of low-income people being foreclosed or tossed out out their asses by DSI? I don't have the figures handy, but I'll bet you do, and I'll bet that there's an awful lot vacancies in the yuppie lofts downtown or the nifty apartments at Shep and Davern. I'm gonna guess three-bedrooms that can hold a family that makes less than $30K a year are a little scarcer.

Chuck, you're not a gutless stick-up-his-ass coward like Eric. Care to discuss this with someone who brings a game?

7:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At least my parents didn't name me Bucky Scungilli.

Unless that's a fake name you use because you're scared of something?

You use a fake name to hide in the corner and call me a coward? That's rich.


7:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh and Bucky when was the last time you were in New York. Uptown is the richest part of the country if your talking Upper West Side or Upper East Side. Harlem is so touristy you can't talking about the south end. Washington Heights? Inwood?

You'd a scintalla of a point of all, most or close to half of the landlords who rent to low and no income people had the same experience as these involved on this site- they don't. The vast majority of them don't have the multiple violations and serious code issues.

So it doesn't make sense to try an answer a sweeping generalization when it doesn't apply to most low income landlords.


8:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

7:46 - the point is that the numbers that were tossed out by DSI were a drop in the bucket of those who lost their housing and moved back in with mom and dad or visa versa...

The problem with the landlord group here is that they are clueless to the real issues that are creating the crisis. In their world Steve Magner caused 10,000 units to go vacant in Las Vegas...

One of the things that made things fat and sassy for those who would exploit the poor was high occupancy rates and therefore few choices. Today if you have money to rent or a voucher, you are in a possition to find a decent place to live.

What we have seen in Saint Paul in the last two years wasn't DSI closing down large numbers of occupied properties that had code violations, we saw the get rich quick land speculaters that had planned to flip the house before the bills came due not be able to sell their places and let them go back to the bank. We saw tons of those on the east side.

Almost a year ago I listed a bunch of those here that had flipped two or three times in a year or two and now were in forecloser.

That is what made the houses vacant and in many cases copper theives are what has made them class 3 buildings.


Chuck Repke

8:55 PM  
Anonymous MISTER Bucky Scungilli to you. said...


STFU, scumbag. I use a "fake" name because I don't want your friends in the bureaucracy fucking with me. That's the way scumbags roll.

I was born in Brooklyn, and was there in January. And throughout the city, there are thousands of units off the market (or that stayed off until their neighborhoods got gentrified, which means NO LOW-INCOME HOUSING, you patriarchal little piece of shit.

Your response shows what a fucking idiot you are. OF COURSE there is plenty of "mid" to high-income housing. But try to find a cheap anywhere in the Bronx or Staten Island anymore, much less Manhattan or any part of Brooklyn you'd want to live in. YOU CAN NOT. Largely because New York has done what you and your idiot friends do - demonize the law-abiding, honest landlord. The bureaucracy in NYC treats landlords as guilty until proven innocent.

You obviously have not the faintest fucking idea how things work, here or there. Go read your fucking textbooks, you moron.

1:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice language chickenshit (you're scared somebody is going to come after you- boo hoo). You kiss your boyfriend with that mouth or what?

I don't care where your mother hatched your wimpy ass, I know that you're throwing shit around you have no clue about.

So, you can say I don't know how things work but, I'm not hiding behind some fake pseudonym on a small-time blog because I'm afraid of the big bad city fella coming after me. As a matter of fact, I have said over and over what would happen with these suits, and have been right every step of the way.

You and your ilk don't have anyone fooled, not even your attorney, you don't give a shit about poor people and their civil rights. You only care about taking advantage of them being that they are the only ones with no choice but to live in your below-code units.

Well, the city says different, and most people agree, you don't have to live without heat, hot water, running water, electricity, windows that open, filth, and such just because you're poor. Just like you don't have to eat uninspected food at an uninspected restaurant in town.

Angry and ignorant is no way to go through life. Choose one.


3:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh sorry, you said call you MISTER Sucky Scumgilli.

There you go.


3:33 AM  
Anonymous Bucky Scungilli said...

You and your ilk don't have anyone fooled, not even your attorney

I AM NOT A LANDLORD, you halfwit. Just someone who can see what's in plain sight.

Great debate technique, by the way - say your superior "doesn't know" what he's talking about, and then go on to show no evidence but your own prejudice and talking points.

That's a big win for Brooklyn, and a big loss for small-town ass-cowboy.

Now go give Chris Coleman a handjob and make yourself useful.

3:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice language chickenshit (you're scared somebody is going to come after you- boo hoo). You kiss your boyfriend with that mouth or what?

10:38 PM  

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