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Tuesday, July 14, 2009

Meet Bob Fletcher: Ramsey County's most controversial cop



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31 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I support the actions of a sheriff that is so concerned about public safety ( If he really is ) .

No one has been convicted of anything related to the strike force and I doubt there will be any convictions.

It does appear though that something was done out of haste to avert what could be considered a department violation of protocal.

However, those violations don't rise to the level of prosecutions.

Would you rather have these gangs off the street or are you concerned that a little money and a few cars couldn't be accounted for.

10:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

False choice.

There is a new gang task force on the street now and Minneapolis has their own gang task force that just made a huge bust.

Doesn't matter what happens to these individuals, there will be a gang task force as there are always individuals willing to serve as cops.

The choice is do you want those who enforce the law to also be able to uphold the law?

I haven't concluded innocent or guilt in the gang task force case. However, you seem to assume they are already guilty by dismissing the money and cars issue.

If its not illegal, its certainly unethical.

You should go back and read the entire case up to now. Ron Ryan made some mistakes by insinuating that his cops got a tinge of envy over the toys some of these drug dealers owned and had to tell his boys not to take stuff- those were his own words freely talking.

The money and the cars is an issue. The bigger question is why the rush to shredding paperwork 24 hours after an investigation is announced, done after all security and tracking mechanisms were turned off so that there is no record of who was there?

That's an issue. At the very least its bad decisions made by professional investigators. I won't speculate on the very worst.

I say let the case work its way out.

This is also a misrepresentation of the article as it focused on Bob Fletcher.

What sheriff is not concerned about public safety? Voters have to decide if their approach to public safety is best.

There used to be saying that if you keep your nose clean, you don't have to worry about the police.

According to the article,I'm not entirely sure if that's the case with Bob Fletcher. If you work for him, aside from doing your job, you'd do yourself some good to help his campaigns. As regular citizen, you'd probably want to avoid the sheriff's office all together.

How creepy was it that they go around with files on private citizens or they backgrounded and profiled the reporter before the interview.

There is just something unnerving about the way Bob Fletcher operates. I say that with over a decade of working in politics across the country and have certainly been witness to some dark practices. Bob Fletcher is in a different category.

He'll have a tough 2010. The RNC, the arrests and conviction of two of his deputies, the gang task force and ongoing investigations coupled with a challenger or three for his seat will make Bob one busy fellow.

Since this is about to become a pissing contest(always when Fletcher or Finney is involved), I'm ducking out of the rest of this thread.


Eric

11:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You never want to be in his jail if you ever cross paths with any government officials.

11:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eric
Everything they do is certainly unethical.
There is no difference between the
GOP or DFL.
Ramsey County and St.Paul has been doing as they want for years.
Right "Susan Gaertner"?

11:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...or are you concerned that a little money and a few cars couldn't be accounted for."

Hell, I couldn't care less about "a little" money and "a few" cars...just so long as they're yours, idiot.

11:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These cars were not yours and the money wasn't yours dope.
( 11:56 a.m. ).
It was money and cars confiscated so what the fuck do you care !

2:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dirty Cops, thats the norm here in St.Paul,MN.
Greed of money is what we are talking about.

4:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It was money and cars confiscated so what the fuck do you care!"

Let me explain something, that shouldn't have to be explained to anyone outside the Moscow metro area.

According to the news reports I've read, some of these confiscations ocurred after nothing more substantial than someone snitching off on someone else, and Fletchers gang targeted several innocent people as a result....they just didn't give a crap.

There was one guy in particular, who ended up paying thousands of dollars to get his car back from Fletcher's chop shop, and he ended up having to sue to get back the money the gang took from him.

My point is this; these were a bunch of cowboys, at best, being managed by idiots, at best. If they managed to actually bust bad guys, it was probably a matter of pure luck.

So, Mr. Cavallier, how'd you like it if someone fingered YOU, and you found yourself on the receiving end of the Fletcher gang?

4:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It does appear though that something was done out of haste to avert what could be considered a department violation of protocal."

Try the intentional destruction of evidence. You know, like swallowing drugs or flushing them down the toilet?

6:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There should be a difference between gangs and the police. If the police is above the law, it is hard for me to figure out how the police itself has not become simply a better-armed, officially-sanctioned gang itself. Fletcher has not been accountable at all, as far as I can tell. What amazes me is how RT and Chris Coleman and John Choi and Susan Gaertner don't say anything to criticize him. Is it some excess of Minnesota Nice, or does Fletcher have something on them?

8:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eric,

You said, "How creepy was it that they go around with files on private citizens or they backgrounded and profiled the reporter before the interview."

I was just in a meeting today where the client had a file on me that was very complete.

I have several brothers in the law enforcement community. They all say this is standard operating procedure, know who you are dealing with. The Boy Scouts have a saying, "Be Prepared."

I check out my competition everyday.

8:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:35 how would you like a finger up your ass ?

8:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No thanks Sally, I don't want your boyfriend getting jealous.

8:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I check out my competition everyday."
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"...files on private citizens or they backgrounded and profiled the reporter before the interview"

A reporter or private citizens are competition to the Sheriff?

Maybe if he would have gotten 'files' on his own deputies, he wouldn't be trying to explain how two of his hand-picked deputies ended up in prison.
Or, he would have known that Ron Ryan is not very smart and shouldn't have been in charge of anything.
Or, he would see that losing an election is least of his problems in 2010.

9:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:49,

You would be surprised whos finger it was !

10:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did anyone die in jail lately because of not getting their med's.

2:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sheriff Fletcher has done a fine job. Giving meds is not always the responsibility of a nurse. The giving of meds is done by health care workers everyday, as they they are not nurses.

If this is a new requirement by the unions for job protection that all meds be administered by a nurse then I don't see a problem here.

9:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sheriff Fletcher has done a fine job.
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Is there another Sheriff Fletcher somewhere else?

This clown in Ramsey County has done nothing but bring down the office and reputation to that of a bunch gangsters with badges. Well, they're dumber than gangsters because these deputies will and have flipped on each other.

Thugs with badges busting innocent people then making them pay for the damage done by these bumbling academy dropouts. How many young people had their cars taken by these dopes because of false information- or protecting the dealers who 'share' with some of them? How many were too scared to try and reclaim the money taken out of their pockets during a search and then released with a warning? How many people filed robbery reports not knowing it was the Sheriff Deputies who broke into their place and stole their equipment?

Police 101, when and investigation is launched- nothing is removed until its looked at. These thugs disengage the cameras and alarm system the night they found out there were under investigation and begin shredding loads of documents. No thats not suspicious. Sounds like innocent office cleaning to me.

We need and exorcism of that department. Bob and his cronies have abused their right to classified information.

9:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bill Dahn Is Running for St.Paul Mayor.
I will be able to show how Bob Fletcher had and did use double standards in his office's held at one time on and around September 11, 2001.
Bring out how I was beaten and shackled for demanding my med's, after Jesse had Leslie Davis and I arrested for protesting him.
I was never charge and was held and denied life saving med's.
Does any of this sound like when a Ramsey County prisoner died from not having his life saving med's.
According to law, when in custody you are a vulnerable adult, and they are fully responsible for you ----
for feeding you, safe logging, and health care.
Does any of you out their care about any thing or anybody, this is not what we would call whistle blowing.
This is just bring out evidence, in a internal investigation of our elected officials.
Its about time that we start putting all elected government officials on the chopping block.
Make all accountable for their action, or their non action.
AIDING AND ABETTING


AIDING AND ABETTING (AGENCY) - The guilt of a person in a criminal case may be proved without evidence that he personally did every act involved in the commission of the crime charged. The law recognizes that, ordinarily, anything a person can do for himself may also be accomplished through direction of another person as an agent, or by acting together with, or under the direction of, another person or persons in a joint effort.

So, if the acts or conduct of an agent, employee or other associate of the person are willfully directed or authorized by the person, or if the person aids and abets another person by willfully joining together with that person in the commission of a crime, then the law holds the person responsible for the conduct of that other person just as though the person had engaged in such conduct himself.x Notice, however, that before any person can be held criminally responsible for the conduct of others it is necessary that the person willfully associate himself in some way with the crime, and willfully participate in it. Mere presence at the scene of a crime and even knowledge that a crime is being committed are not sufficient to establish that a person either directed or aided and abetted the crime.

9:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good one Bill

9:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who in government isn't aiding in some way, I "BET" on it.
Any taker?

9:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bill where can I sign up! You are running for St. Paul Mayor? How cool is that!

Mayor Coleman now had some real competition.

Go Bill go!

9:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I doubt Bill Dahn could balance his social security check. How could he balance a 500 million dollar city budget?

10:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10:13

Probably a lot better than the current mayor.

10:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Bill, the Sheriff is his own elected official in a different district than the mayor. He can, and has, told the mayor to go fuck himself.

If you're vulnerable adult the courts would never let you be sworn in. If the idiots in St Paul elect you, they city council would really run the show.

11:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bill "Forrest" Dahn

11:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Run Forrest run

Run Bill run

12:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:14 A.M. hows that finger feel ?

1:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:23 PM 11:35 AM

They don't like what you are about Bill, don't worry its only a few DFLers trying their best to discredit you.
Laugh at these people that would screw us the tax payer.
Ha Ha Wimp!
Your the Whopper.

4:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bill's right about a prisoners being vulnerable while in custody

6:26 PM  
Anonymous salem said...

Everything they do is certainly unethical.

6:24 AM  

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