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As far as commenting on the posts at 5:38 and 5:50, I see nothing wrong with including the fact that he is white or black. It's the truth .
Eric, it's sad but true, nowhere in the world can you find a more diverse population than in the U.S. that has a black incarceration rate higher than anywhere on earth so naturally were going to focus on the fact that every time a black commits a serious crime like this it adds to the stigma it has created for all the good African Americans.
I mean at some point you have to acknowledge that the high level of incarceration rates for blacks isn't by accident.
More young black youth should maybe be listening to guys like Bill Cosby .
Jeff Matiatos
11:18 AM
Anonymous said...
As far as commenting on the posts at 5:38 and 5:50, I see nothing wrong with including the fact that he is white or black. It's the truth .
It's the point of the inclusion. The point of the inclusion is to add to the stigma that blacks are criminals. My point is that the most heinous crimes are committed by whites yet, other whites don't feel the need to be tied to the person.
Eric, it's sad but true, nowhere in the world can you find a more diverse population than in the U.S. that has a black incarceration rate higher than anywhere on earth so naturally were going to focus on the fact that every time a black commits a serious crime like this it adds to the stigma it has created for all the good African Americans.
Well, you've got half the story let me finish it and then you can tell me what you think.
First, the United States have more people locked up than anywhere on earth. We made a private for profit business out of the prison system and then criminalized so many non-violent crimes that there is an incentive to imprison people. The more in prison, the more money someone makes.
Second, whites still outnumber blacks in American prisons.
According to the FBI statistics, they are still over 60% of all arrests and blacks make up 36% of arrests.
In Britain the black population is more oppressed and are incarcerated at higher rates.
I believe that stigma is permeated through society hence, you, who do a lot of legal research was under the impression that the numbers were reversed.
I mean at some point you have to acknowledge that the high level of incarceration rates for blacks isn't by accident.
Hell no its not by accident. As I pointed out, there is an incentive that financial (instead of what's good for society), political (lock 'em all up talk) and the usual socio-economic stats you hear about. And, the number one reason is because someone was committing a crime.
More young black youth should maybe be listening to guys like Bill Cosby.
More older blacks need to prepare the youth for living in the world today.
Eric
12:07 PM
link to statisics above
Eric, whats the problem now ? Is Patrick Buchanan to big a man for what he writes than your own take on the subject ?
All Bob is doing is attempting to get some points of view on the issue .
I find it interesting how Obama keeps talking about the white community and how the whites need to address the blacks in particular. Especially how Obama says whites must put more money into black schools ? What the hell is a black school, Central high School in St.Paul ? I suppose ol whitey built that school just for blacks ? What the hell is Obama talking about " Black schools " ?
How dare a president come out openly and charge the current white race generation with the wrong deeds of slave owners over 200 years ago.
I think the brief is fair Eric.
Very many blacks seem to carry this crutch around blaming ol whity for all their indignities and seem to justify the crimes they commit as retribution and a feel good excuse .
I didn't write the statistics Eric and neither did Pat.
It's time you dealt with the facts and Obama gets off of his race blame game.
Go ahead and leave the conversation Eric because like many others, you just don't want to believe in the facts and don't want to face the reality.
Jeff Matiatos
It should be evident that Buchanan exploits racial myths in order to sow seeds of discord. He forgets African-Americans made America, not the other way around.
Jeff,then goes on to attribute some vague statements to Obama. Being the president, I'm sure you can reproduce those words, can't you loser?
Can you?
Buchanan is a populist through his ability to mainstream racist views. Most of you don't need convincing, you just need someone to say it in a way that seems to make sense- regardless of its factually correct.
The transatlantic slave trade was not some Disney Cruise on a Princess Line. It was brutal with a high number of slow painful deaths. Slavery was not indentured servitude as in the past. It was also brutal and cruel with partnerships between men and women being broken up at the sale of a spouse, or children as young as four being taken from their mothers never to be seen again (the goal was to keep families from forming tight units, that way slaves were more submissive to owners), many young one being killed because of economics or compliance. It was illegal to teach them to read, write, do mathematics or congregate into groups.
After slavery, many states immediately adopted laws that kept blacks as something between citizens and immigrants. They couldn't own property, could work certain menial jobs, most schools would admit them and most congregations rejected their membership. Yet, the constitution had blacks as full citizens but this Jim Crow shit went on for another 100 years post slavery.
50 years after Jim Crow,(slavery was 145 years ago not, 200), Obama gets elected and Buchanan thinks we should fall on our knees and thank God for white people? All of these years I thought we were thanks God for the perseverance to survive all of that.
I could go on as many have already dissected Buchanan's two and a half year old article. That's not the point. Point is, you white people right here- who write here on A-Democracy- are the biggest bunch of whiners, crybabies and victims anywhere. Somebody (the city) is doing something to you that is unfair and other people are getting away with the same thing wah, wah, wah. It's never your fault or anything that has to do with you, its the tenants, its the illegals, its the blacks wah, wah, wah. You look hard and far to try and find anything to make you feel better and back up your 'feelings'.
Grow the eff up and take some responsibility for your pitiful lives and stop worrying about what other people are doing.
Eric
Folk's if you haven't googled
Professor teun a van dijk
the link is above
Eric, you seem content on wanting to keep the issue of slavery alive by talking so much about it just like how schools today would like our black youth to have it fresh in their minds so some of them can have an excuse and crutch to get what they want and an excuse to do ugly things. Me ? I am way past slavery and I've always believed it was wrong to enslave any race or person.
As far as being a bunch of whiners, if your talking about the landlords lawsuits, they are just excerising their rights to a judicial remedy.
I can't think of any other race than white folks and blacks in this country that have the same if not more, rights than any other. So you need to stop your whining.
It's hard to take I know, but there unfortunatley is a serious problem with employers hiring blacks because of the criminal element they themselves brought upon the rest of the hardworking and respectful black americans that respect and love this country.
Hmmm, how many blacks voted for Obama because of his race if not for the fact that everyone else running for president was white ?
Millions of your racists blacks voted for Obama because of his race not because they knew who he was because before that, he was a rookie senator hanging with the likes of Jeramiah Wright.. Now we see about how all these black americans who voted for Obama because of his race still hate the white man deep down inside. It's your race that doesn't want to move on.
I guess were having that talk about race that Obama wants us to have right here on A Democracy.
Jeff Matiatos
He is right Eric, listen to your president and let's talk about race.
I don't know Jeff but Eric did say that the main reason for the high incarceration rate for black people is because they were committing crimes. He said it in his first response. What's your deal? In one part you talk about good black people and bad black people then in another you talk about them all in general and get pretty racist yourself.
Eric was pretty clear on his points. What's your's?
Just what the heck is institutional racism ? Did the institution compel the blacks to commit the crimes they do ? Does the same apply for white folks Bob ?
So I guess everyone in prison is because of the institution.
10:37 p.m.,
Everytrhing you said in your post is true. I believe that all of the above applys and that includes to white folks and people of other nationalitys.
You want to zero in on me well, it's really the Pat B. brief you need to be steamed about not me. I just happen to believe what he say.
So now how is that biggotry ?
Again, it's not ok for a white to call a black the "N" word but they can do it themselves to each other.
Anyhow, you put the article up here Bob and you got a criticle responce that just so happens to not have panned out the way you thought, I mean you know that this is a sensitive issue to many here and you knew that there would be perhalps a responce that would get Eric to participate and he did.
So, as to my point ? Lets have that discussion about race, no matter how difficult it is we need to have it like Obama said. Just don't get pissed and be a cry baby when you here things that you might not like. Call me a honky or whatever, thats not the point.
Jeff Matiatos
Like Eric said,
( in so many words ), you opened up a can of worms Bob with this post and maybe you should have left well enough alone.
Fact is, racism will always be here and there will never be a complete fix.
We have to strive to make things better but thats all we can ever do in our life time, so better to air it out and have the discussion on race even if the discussion evolkes the negative .
I mean the title of this post is white america VS. Black crime so whats wrong with a few statistics ?
I know there are a few here that think I might be the biggist biggot around but really, I have more connections with blacks than you would ever know.
I happen to listen to the music and appreciate those that appreciate and take advantage of the opprotunities in front of them.
Whether or not the article here speaks the truth is for each and every one of us to decide but there are going to be differences of opinion and I guess I happen to believe that most of the article seems like a fair assesment.
What if the article read
" Buchanan's Black America VS The truth about white crime " ?
I would want to discuss that also.
Jeff Matiatos
Just what the heck is institutional racism ? Did the institution compel the blacks to commit the crimes they do ? Does the same apply for white folks Bob ?
My response;
You would know if you took 20 minutes to read my links. You didn't even bother with the information I posted. You set out to prove your point with no consideration to others view.
And Jeff I got the response I anticipated I made that clear in my post too.
The "scholar" "Teun A, van Dijk" agrees with me and so does anyone else who has studied this issue at length.
Quote
"Our main thesis can be expressed in very simple terms: In our racist societies, it is the elite that gives the (bad) example.
And the final explanation for this fact is also simple. The reproduction of racism, and thus the maintenance of the ethnic status quo, is primarily in their interest. The elites have the power over, or privileged access to, the institutional discourse channels, primarily the mass media, and are thus able to formulate and persuasively convey their ethnic attitudes and goals to other in group members. They define the ethnic situation and through the media they set the agenda of talk and opinion formation."
Read the entire thesis. A couple of you out there might grasp the complexities of this issue.
I understand the logic and apparent truth to what Van Dijk writes.
Problem is, even if Obama could do something about it, just talking about it is not going to change the ideals and racists beliefs of the elite .
While I agree we as a nation need to do alot more than just talk about it, The very proposition from Obama to do so is weak. It's not enough just to talk about it .
We have a 2 party political system that has been in charge since the 1830s and to this day, and in the next 100 years I don't see that changing. Nor do I see the possibility for African Americans to ever be treated or considered as they should. But just as the elite need to STOP looking down on the African American as they do, you cannot deny that the black incarceration rate is attributed mostly to the way black offenders make choices.
If a black man can be president, then I believe this is proof that we as a nation of common citizens are getting past the racial animosities that exists.
But, I still see that Obama was mostly elected because of his race and not his political experience.
this past election cycle we were given a choice between no name republicans, A rookie senator in Obama, and having to face the possibility of another Clinton.
Again, democrats and republicans running the show.
We got tired of the conflicts in the middle east and voted for Obama because mostly he promised to end it. Again, another big lie by a candidate who ran on that platform .
Never again should we vote for a president who's book is titled
" Audacity of hope ".
In my view, he has shamed the very message he purports to convey by lying to the American people. Obama is part of the credibility crap portrayed by your typical political bafoons who are only out for themselves.
Jeff Matiatos
Bob,
Not surprising to see most of your "friends" on the lists are racists and that those of us who are attacked for wanting good housing for the poor support your concerns about racism.
I think the two points that are addressed well in your links; institutional racism and stereotyping are even more linked than the articles suggest.
Racism will never change until we can all admit to our own stereotyping, and categorizing that is a natural part of the human thought process. Because if we don't do that we never recognize when those are negatives and we can't change them. Everyone knows that "first impressions are important" but we need to understand that those first impressions are influenced by our own stereotyping/prejudice.
Try this, close your eyes and think of people who match the words, smart, or strong, or powerful or wealthy or pretty; then who match the words, dangerous, sneaky, criminal, smelly, weak, ugly.
Those images are your base stereotypes they aren't good or bad or right or wrong, they are just yours. And, we all do it; racists just don't question theirs and tend to believe them without any thought process and they have a race bias.
Racism is when if I am working in corrections or police and I let those images impact how I react to an individual. So, if I bust Johny for doing something wrong and I let him go because "he looks like a nice kid..." but I lock up Tommy because "he looks like trouble..." my prejudices have impacted the system.
Institutional Racism is then when I build into the system factors that though they may sound not racist have race related impact. So, if we pick up this juvenile for being out on the street at 2 AM, we let him go if he can prove he is still in school; or we let him go if both parents pick him up; or we let him go after he writes a paper on why he shouldn't be on the street at 2 AM. All three of those things on the face don't sound racist but if white kids have a higher graduation rate or the percentage of whites that come from two parent households are higher or white literacy is higher all of these "tests" are a form of institutional racism.
And, that stuff is important when you realize that the number one factor in determining someones likelihood of re-offending is when was their first lengthy incarceration (the later in life the less likely to re-offend).
On the crime issue, I continue to believe that the deterrent factor of incarceration is becoming lost on a large number of black kids because they are taken to the institution to visit family members in custody. My gut just tells me that psychologically there has to be a large number of kids that see those places at a young age, see Daddy or uncle or brother there and start to "normalize" prison. It can't be so bad, uncle lives there...
...and I have no idea how to cure that.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
(I'll try)
John McCain had run for President against Bush and won a couple of states before the Bush team thoroughly dragged him in the mud in South Carolina. He was a leading moderate voice and media darling for a decade. He was hardly an unknown.
Bush was Governor for four years with no other legislative experience before that. He ran for President against Gore who had 22 years experience. Bush won.
He was a horrible President because of the philosophy he followed (pre-emption, trickle down economics, etc) and his cabinet and advisers (the most experienced people in DC some going back to Nixon and Ford administrations).
So, even with all of that experience from those who worked for Republicans Presidents going back to Nixon, he failed. He left us deep in two wars, a recession teetering on another Great Depression, ballooning debt and a standing in the world that had more than the usual suspects hating us. Their experience failed us.
Obama was a US Senator for five years and a state senator for seven years (in a district that is as populated as the entire state of Alaska) before being sworn in. More experience than Bush had.
In 2007, I was a Clinton supporter and went to Iowa a few times for her. I like MOST blacks who were being polled at the time were no more sold on Obama than we were on Sharpton or Mosely-Braun when they ran for President. Time, MSNBC, FOX, CNN, New York Times and Washington Post all had done reports on Obama not winning over the black vote and were questioning if he can identify with black Americans (one of my assignments was to collect and summarize the media hits on Obama and Edwards). Hillary was the clear favorite and it was thought to be a done deal. However, Obama began telling his story and his vision and he started to win over the black vote, as well as the progressive votes who begin seeing him as a contender in November 2007 starting with the Jefferson-Jackson Dinner in Iowa (I was there and saw it).
Obama and Hillary ran the longest, hardest fought primary (and most expensive) in the history of the country. EVERYBODY who participated knew who he was. Its a helluva leap to say that blacks voted for him just because he was black. You have to ignore all of the above to believe that- and then you'll have to explain why Jesse Jackson (who was much closer to the black community) didn't do well, or Al Sharpton who was in every debate, Ambassador and former Senator Carol Mosely Braun got no love either, or on the Republican side, uber-Conservative Alan Keyes couldn't fill a phone booth with his supporters and he was in all debates.
Your assessment doesn't make sense. One more thing, blacks voted for Obama in higher rates than previous Democratic Presidential candidates, so did whites. You're saying that whites paid more attention and voted for him based on the issues and blacks did it because he's black? You've got nothing to back it up except for what you say and that's not racist?
How do you expect a 'conversation' on race, if you start off with the positions that blacks as lesser and its up to me to prove it not the case? That's ridiculous.
Eric
In incarceration rates:
As I stated before, the main reason for incarceration is that someone was caught doing something or a part of doing something. No excuses.
However, incarceration is the end result. I would start with the arrest rate and then look who ends up in jail/prison/house arrest as opposed to charges being dropped, or probation or warning. Those are the numbers that show black males are more likely to get stiffer and more consistent handling than whites.
Why the different sentencing? That's where the institutional racism comes in. Read Bob's article. I'm just not very clear or good at explaining it.
I find it incredible frustrating that no matter what I do, or my friends to do to either pull ourselves out of the negative environments and stay on the right track, there is always some jerk that talks, treats, or react to you like that guy you see outside of the liquor store asking for bus fare, already drunk.
You want to forget about race and just life but its impossible in a state like this. And this is one of the better states! Little things like, dressing a certain way if I'm driving outside of the Cities or going to the store with my checkbook, dealing with the bank, contractors, or even when I have a complaint (like when Cub Foods overcharged me for their rug doctor rental and insisted that I CHANGED the receipt! Why? Because the manager told me 'these' people around here are always trying to get over. WTF!?),or debating illegal immigration online or anything online at the Pioneer Press, or dealing with the cops all leave the burden on me to prove to them that I'm not the worst black person they'll ever deal with (you're guilty until you prove to be 'one of the good ones'). Many people who work in customer service see me and expect a confrontation (ie Comcast) and their entire demeanor noticeably changes from the previous consumer to me.
Its these and a few other everyday little things that add up. No one is painting the N word on my garage or burning a cross in my yard but, the little things continue to work at you and when some person tells me that I keep bringing race into it, well, it make me want slam my head on a brick wall. One week in my shoes and some of them will change that perspective, others will make excuses and continue to be bigots.
When I used to talk with young black men, I would tell them that their actions are reflective on the entire race with some people and when they get older and branch out they'll understand. Its a huge and not very healthy outlook/burden but, it will serve them best.
When you leave your area of comfort and see, meet, live and work with other people, our perspectives change or are altered a bit. Usually for the better.
Back to the subject, I listed some reasons including the privatization of prisons and the criminalization of minor infringements (possession of marijuana) that send people to prison because of legislation instead of judicial discretion that has led to the overall massive increase in incarceration rates.
I'll talk about Buchanan in my next post.
Eric
After Sen. Carol Moseley Braun blocked a federal patent for a Confederate flag insignia, Buchanan wrote that she was "putting on an act" by associating the Confederacy with slavery: "The War Between the States was about independence, about self-determination, about the right of a people to break free of a government to which they could no longer give allegiance," Buchanan asserted. "How long is this endless groveling before every cry of 'racism' going to continue before the whole country collectively throws up?" (syndicated column, 7/28/93)
On race relations in the late 1940s and early 1950s: "There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The 'negroes' of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours." (Right from the Beginning, Buchanan's 1988 autobiography, p. 131)
Buchanan, who opposed virtually every civil rights law and court decision of the last 30 years, published FBI smears of Martin Luther King Jr. as his own editorials in the St. Louis Globe Democrat in the mid-1960s. "We were among Hoover's conduits to the American people," he boasted (Right from the Beginning, p. 283).
White House adviser Buchanan urged President Nixon in an April 1969 memo not to visit "the Widow King" on the first anniversary of Martin Luther King's assassination, warning that a visit would "outrage many, many people who believe Dr. King was a fraud and a demagogue and perhaps worse.... Others consider him the Devil incarnate. Dr. King is one of the most divisive men in contemporary history." (New York Daily News, 10/1/90)
In a memo to President Nixon, Buchanan suggested that "integration of blacks and whites -- but even more so, poor and well-to-do -- is less likely to result in accommodation than it is in perpetual friction, as the incapable are placed consciously by government side by side with the capable." (Washington Post, 1/5/92)
In another memo from Buchanan to Nixon: "There is a legitimate grievance in my view of white working-class people that every time, on every issue, that the black militants loud-mouth it, we come up with more money.... If we can give 50 Phantoms [jet fighters] to the Jews, and a multi-billion dollar welfare program for the blacks...why not help the Catholics save their collapsing school system." (Boston Globe, 1/4/92)
Buchanan has repeatedly insisted that President Reagan did so much for African-Americans that civil rights groups have no reason to exist: "George Bush should have told the [NAACP convention] that black America has grown up; that the NAACP should close up shop, that its members should go home and reflect on JFK's admonition: 'Ask not what your country can do for you, but rather ask what you can do for your country.'" (syndicated column, 7/26/88)
In a column sympathetic to ex-Klansman David Duke, Buchanan chided the Republican Party for overreacting to Duke and his Nazi "costume": "Take a hard look at Duke's portfolio of winning issues and expropriate those not in conflict with GOP principles, [such as] reverse discrimination against white folks." (syndicated column, 2/25/89)
Trying to justify apartheid in South Africa, he denounced the notion that "white rule of a black majority is inherently wrong. Where did we get that idea? The Founding Fathers did not believe this." (syndicated column, 2/7/90) He referred admiringly to the apartheid regime as the "Boer Republic": "Why are Americans collaborating in a U.N. conspiracy to ruin her with sanctions?" (syndicated column, 9/17/89)
I got more.
Eric
I feel you Eric! very good summary of your personal experience.
Thank you Chuck!
I hope this conversation impacts folk's lives. It is the first conversation on race we have had here that comes close to the real issues.
May God Bless all of you for being civil.
More on Pat. And, this is to give background on where he comes from so, you can have a complete read into who he is before re-assessing that opinion piece he wrote two and a half years ago.
In a 1977 column, Buchanan said that despite Hitler's anti-Semitic and genocidal tendencies, he was "an individual of great courage.... Hitler's success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path." (Guardian, 1/14/92)
Writing of "group fantasies of martyrdom," Buchanan challenged the historical record that thousands of Jews were gassed to death by diesel exhaust at Treblinka: "Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody." (New Republic, 10/22/90) Buchanan's columns have run in the Liberty Lobby's Spotlight, the German-American National PAC newsletter and other publications that claim Nazi death camps are a Zionist concoction.
Buchanan called for closing the U.S. Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations, which prosecuted Nazi war criminals, because it was "running down 70-year-old camp guards." (New York Times, 4/21/87)
"Rail as they will about 'discrimination,' women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism." (syndicated column, 11/22/83)
"The real liberators of American women were not the feminist noise-makers, they were the automobile, the supermarket, the shopping center, the dishwasher, the washer-dryer, the freezer." (Right from the Beginning, p. 149)
So, this is the guy that you want to align yourself with?
Eric
I apologise for my cracker remarks. This is a very frustrating issue for me knowing what I believe to be the truth and having so much trouble getting others to understand.
Now to answer this opinion piece directly. Some of this is me, other parts from an African American opinion writer.
Issue 1) Yes, white America need to be heard from, Buchanan. Just not from racist scumbags like you. You, who wrote that Dr. King was a "divisive figure" and that "We will never escape the prison of race. It will forever poison our politics." and called Mexican Immigrants anti-semitic to sell books, as well as supported the "Southern Strategy" of Nixon. People like you have no place at the discussion table. Your voice is not the voice of White Americans. You're whisper from a past of fear and misunderstandings.
Issue 2) I'd hardly call White Americans the "Silent Majority". How does a majority stay silent when it controls the airwaves? You yourself are a pundit on national TV. That is not silence. In fact, that is talking too much.
Issue 3) America has been the best country on earth for black folks. Oh really, Pat? Because that's quite an assertion to make. Without black slaves in America, there wouldn't have been a Civil War. In fact, American and world history would be so fundamentally altered that you cannot say, one way or the other, if this country had been the greatest country ever for blacks. Instead, let's take it based on current times. Would you really agree, Pat, if you knew all the crap American society does to us? (I personally think Pat doesn't give a crap)
Issue 4) Now, if American society had not actively held us back from the end of slavery till the middle of the 1990's, then we would be a lot further along than we are now. Even you agree with that in your book State of Emergency. Try reading your own books sometime before you post racist garbage, Pat.
Issue 5) Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American. You have got to be kidding me. The man fought in Vietnam for the US Marine Corps. You can't get much more patriotic (or unlucky) than that. He fought and bled for this country and it treated him like crap when he returned, so it made him a little bitter. Ok, really bitter. But, you didn't say anything when McCain said "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live"now did you?
Issue 6) You do realize that stuff like the Pell Grant and Section 8 and Welfare are for everybody, not just Black people, right? You do realize that those "poverty programs" you mentioned were not fully funded or deployed properly nationwide, right?
Issue 7) You are repeating some of the falsehoods on Affirmative Action. Get educated by going here.
Issue 8) Those same groups help out anybody, not just Black folks only. It just so happens that a lot of the people they help are Black. But hey, that's on you, and you're frame of thought from the good ol' days remember? (Segregation)
Eric
Bob, this is the very reason we need to be discussing the tough issues no matter how sensitive it is to you. We all feel it's a huge issue and you can't expect everyone to see eye to eye. You have Chuck calling everyone a racist who doesn't believe exactly the way he see's things. Chuck has tunnel vision and see's only the way the city and Democrats want him to see think.
I don't buy the reasoning that black kids visiting their own parents in prison causes them to think that prison is where they are destined to be or thats the probable outcome or that it's just how it is supposed to be.
It's racists for the way law enforcement singles out blacks for arrest just because they are black but it's a reality that 99% of them are incarcerated because they actually commited a crime and walk the streets 24/7 making the cops and citizens un easy.
That my friends is fact and the incidence of wrongful incarceration is simply not a signifigant factor these days as opposed to the signifigant number of traffic stops of blacks by law enforcement. Historically and presently, there is no decline in black crime to deter law enforcement of the compulsion to not be on extra guard against those that simply aren't behaving and when the crime rates for blacks statistically is very high in proportion to whites and other races, cops are only reacting to those stats and thats why in part you see cops more suspicious of blacks and thats just doing their job if you ask me.
Jeff Matiatos
"Hell no its not by accident. As I pointed out, there is an incentive that financial (instead of what's good for society), political (lock 'em all up talk) and the usual socio-economic stats you hear about."
And here is just one more conspiracy.....send out inspectors to look at the home based on the BS safety stuff and then make up violations that do not exist so they can throw them on the street and once without a roof over their head they are not going to freeze to death so they comit crime to survive and then the rich bussies of the DFL steps in to imprison them so they make their money. Good little scam your political party has going Eric.
Ya Bob , this conversation really has impact when you delete the posts you want to delete because those posts offend you. Tough shit man. First you post this brief to get readers to comment, then Eric crys like a baby because it's sounds of racism, then you delete the posts that make Eric feel better, then you pat yourself on the back for haveing a fair and balanced discussion ?????
Practice what you preach man, I won't participate when you do this shit to the appeasement of others just so you can keep us around for your personal benefit.
Jeff Matiatos
What is laughable about the Obama as a racist claim is that it is Obama's race background that had raised concerns in the civil rights/black community.
His mother is white. (Lived with Mom and his white grandparents.)
His father was from Nigeria. (No direct connection to American slavery - No history of being a slave in his background. No "roots" in the struggle.)
He was born in Hawaii. (No major institutional racism to overcome, very low black population, limited black stereotype to deal with).
As a young man he called himself Barry, and he went to the best schools in the country. This isn't some angry young black kid who graduated from Howard because it was the only University that would take him in...
So, now to hear the white racists claim that Obama hates the white man it is a freaking joke.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
One last thing Chuck. Who said Obama was a racists ? Your spinning the postings here to prop yourself up and divert the topic.
Sure, Obama was brought up but in the sence of his being elected as president on primarily black vote and those minority of whites and other races who felt the choices were so limited and based on the lies Obama spewed in order to get elected.
Same ol song and dance for you Chuck.
Jeff Matiatos
Hey Jeff you don't have to mention me or attribute anything to me. I'm clear and thorough on my own thoughts. Nobody has to guess.
You on the other hand threw a bunch a shit out there and now that we have decided to engage got nothing but insults, no depth or support for your arguments? Just going to try and deflect the situation?
This from the guy who calls himself a legal mind?
Fuck all this institutional BULLSHIT! You guys come up with fancy words to mask your agendas. I don't give a dman what color you are.....walk up and treat a person right and they'll treat back the same way. Act like a shitbird and you'll join some category in the generalizations that we all make concerning everything all day long.
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If only that was the case.
The whole point is that some whites (ie Jeff M.) do not wait for someone to act like a shitbird before treating them like one. They see your color and go into a mindset that is negative until you do or say something that triggers some kind of relief.
Jeff believes we have to prove ourselves to him first before he extends the same courtesy as he would anyone else.
Why should I, who's worked to get an education, keep a career, stabilize a family, and perform community service have to prove myself to someone who doesn't work, is uneducated and did not do right by their family?
I shouldn't and I won't. So, screw Jeff.
Eric
Jeff, I will start by saying you are certainly one of the most valued members here. You contribute a great deal and have educated folks on many issues.
I am VERY grateful to you. And so are other readers and bloggers.
The person who requested the topic read Eric's comments and asked me to even the debate. I agreed it wasn't fair to Eric, myself, or this important issue to have one side of the story as the header. The request came from a reader who supports Buchanan's views.
I am just wondering what is your beef? I re posted your comments from the original topic. If I'm missing something let me know I will re post it.
I feel you think you have lost this battle and you are angry. I'm real sorry you feel this way.
I never intended this to be a debate of one upping each other. I take this issue VERY seriously and this issue is related to "housing" in Saint Paul, Red Wing and other places all over the country.
Although I am white I have never sheltered myself from having relationships with people of any race. My adoptive father was a full blood Chippewa Indian. I lived with hispanics, my dearly departed friend Rita Rodriquez and her family. I have been real close to blacks most all my life. My ex-wife is black. My son is bi-racial. I have experienced white institutional racism for many years.
When I posted my links I thought real hard over all my studies and picked information that best described my opinion of this issue.
I remember the first time back in 88 when I heard RUSH on kstp 1500, I thought here is a man telling it like it is and he is singing my song. When I came across Teun A. van Dijk thesis years ago I thought the same thing. When the truth stares open minds in the face it is like seeing the light of day.
Jeff, believe me nobody won this debate. There is only losers because most folks cannot understand something they haven't experienced. That is why us who do understand feel nothing but frustration. Can't you see how angry Eric is? It hurt's Jeff!
Buchanan hit the nail on the head.
froggy
From: Chuck Repke Date: March 23, 2010 9:13 AM
Wow - so, much stuff so little time...
and then you watch the Tea Party folks screaming out Nigger and spitting on a Black congressman and calling Barney Frank a Fag... Yes it is nice that we are beyond all of that.
Jeff,
I didn't say you called Obama a racist, Glen Beck and others have.
I was generalizing about white racists, I didn't call you one.
...and as 7:40 posted the scenes of racism coming from the right as well as hostility at the GLBT community are regular and frequent. It is the nature of the right to try and get the public to hate those who have less than them.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Well Swiftee, spoken like the racist you are...
While your party has done everything in its power to destroy the public school system, eliminate any training programs, give tax advantages to move businesses out of the urban core, facilitate lily white affluent suburbs and poverty ghettos, give tax advantages to move businesses out of the country, make housing unaffordable, fund two wars on the come so that the nation was bankrupt and unable to assist the needy, while giving tax breaks the the wealthiest 1%...
You blame those who at least attempt to give some aid as the villain.
Remember Johny when you can read or write, and you don't have any food to eat, if we would have just been able to lower the estate taxes for the millionaires you would have been able to do so much better.
Your a joke Swiftee...
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Eric,
The ghost of Martin Luther King called.
You're not what he was dreaming about.
Chuckles,
While your party has done everything in its power to destroy the public school system,
Actually, it's the left's establishment and the union's turning teaching into a blue-collar facotry job, as well as the factory school model itself, that's destroyed education.
Public schools in conservtive Republican areas do better than schools in Democrat-controlled cities.
give tax advantages to move businesses out of the urban core,
...which is another way of saying "charge lower taxes than the business-hostile inner cities".
The nerve of them.
facilitate lily white affluent suburbs
Actually, suburbs are the primary destination for new immigrants in America, and have been for a decade.
and poverty ghettos,
No, Chuck, using the inner city as a warehouse for the poor - to create islands of dependence, and safe Democrat votes - is Democrat policy, and has been for forty years.
make housing unaffordable,
Actually, liberal interventions in the housing market - including Kathy Lantry's vacant building ordinance! - have done that. Look into the effect of "rent control" in New York on destroying affordable housing in Manhattan!
You blame those who at least attempt to give some aid as the villain.
Well, no. He blames those who claim, falsely, to be "tryinng" to "give aid", but who are in fact causing all the problems.
Your a joke Swiftee...
It's actually "You're", and I think the joke just wrote itself.
Since this thread headlines " The truth about black crime " Why are Eric and Chuck getting so defensive ?
Even Bob got out of his chair some to protest the mere observations when I have commented on of the apparent truth that is set out in the links provided.
I think Swiftee's comments are rather an extension of commentary that points out some other reasons why the " Truth about black crime "
and the statistics that support the thread are trying to convey.
I didn't write the statistics and frankly what I see is not surprising.
Interesting Chuck how you attack Swiftees post at 5:03 p.m. as some kind of racists comment when you totally ignored it and went on to respond something about how his party is all out for themselves.
Your party isn't any better .
With schools not living up to their graduation expectations, the bad economy, a surplus of children being born into this country in it's present state, just where are all the jobs going to be that will give a living wage ?
I mean historically, people have resorted to crime to support their survival when they have no job or shelter.
Which brings us back to the incarceration rates for blacks being higher than any in the U.S.
Hence this is the question confronted us in the title of this posting Chuck, not some diverson about how you want to blame Swiftees party.
Why is it this way Eric and who is responcible ?
I just googled whether more blacks were imprisoned than whites and the answer was clear, blacks were locked up in prison 5Xs more than whites.
Seems your comment at your 12:07 is false. You said :
" Second, Whites still out number blacks in american prisons " .
Not according to the facts reported on the internet from legitimate sources Eric, so unless your privy to secret national statistics that the public isn't made aware of your just plain wrong so then one could gather that your just cutting on ol whity to to feel good about yourself and your kind.
Come on now Eric, lets be honest about it.
Jeff Matiatos
Maybe Eric got his stats from a WikiLeaks cable LoL : )
Jeff Matiatos
Ned/Swiftee
Public schools in Republican areas do better than in DFL areas for four reasons, they usually get more money in direct property tax payments. The % are lower but the value of the property is higher so they get more. They tend to have lower class sizes, which is a help to education. They are newer buildings with better equipment. They also tend to have student who come from parents that have higher education levels, so they are better at assisting their children on education issues, pay for additional assistance and supplies and bring a higher value to education.
NEXT
...which is another way of saying "charge lower taxes than the business-hostile inner cities".
So, when your GOP buddies cut aid to the cities, since of course cities aren't a part of the state only the suburbs and rural areas deserve service from the state, then of course cities have to raise property taxes. But, when the State/counties spend my income (state aid roads) tax dollars to build roads and sewers into the rural areas so that business can move out there to the lower property tax areas because I paid for the road, that is OK.
Idiot
Next..
"Actually, suburbs are the primary destination for new immigrants in America, and have been for a decade."
Well if you mean Brooklyn Center... with better than 50% minority members, maybe.
If you think the cities have it bad watch as these 1950's first suburbs deal with the problems brought by bottom feeding land speculators.
NEXT
"No, Chuck, using the inner city as a warehouse for the poor - to create islands of dependence, and safe Democrat votes - is Democrat policy, and has been for forty years."
Hmmm let see, the Dem's have this secret plan to only represent those left behind while the rich and powerful take their assets on my tax dollars and move into subsidized mcmansions in the burbs. Who built 394, and 169? Who wants to spend as much tax money as possible so that the wealthy can get out of town?
Dough head.
NEXT
"Actually, liberal interventions in the housing market - including Kathy Lantry's vacant building ordinance! - have done that. Look into the effect of "rent control" in New York on destroying affordable housing in Manhattan"
I assume you mean Dan Bostrom's vacant building ordinance, if you refer to class three buildings having to be repaired in order to be sold. You got me there... I mean affordable "safe to live in" housing... my mistake. I forget racist ass holes like you like see people live in hovels. It warms your little hearts. And, the problem in Manhattan is what? Rent-control? The rent-control units were the only properties at all affordable to anyone making less than a million a year in Manhattan the last I knew.
NEXT
"Well, no. He blames those who claim, falsely, to be "trying" to "give aid", but who are in fact causing all the problems."
Like I said, the GOP position is that if we would just not give the poor and food or places to live they would either become wealthy or die. Yah, that will work...
And Jeff, my point in responding to Swiftee's insane post is to try to point out that the notion that all of poverty would go away if we just adopted the anticipation of the "self made man," is insane.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
Well Bob, you certainly lived up to your reputation as a censorship type of guy deleting posts with signifigant value.
I thought I would give posting here another chance but just can't see participating here anymore when you continue to delete posts that tell the truth.
Pathetic man thats all I can say about how you stifle posters free speech.
This was your last chance to keep me on as a poster here and you blew it.
Signing off here for the last time.
Jeff Matiatos
Yeah, yeah, we'll see.
Eric
THE BLOG IS EXPERINCING TECHNICALLY DIFFICULTIES. Comments are disappearing!
When a blogger post at this blog I recveive a email in my email box with a copy of the comment. Here is the comment Jeff claims I deleted.
Jeff said--->
Since this thread headlines " The truth about black crime " Why are Eric and Chuck getting so defensive ?
Even Bob got out of his chair some to protest the mere observations when I have commented on of the apparent truth that is set out in the links provided.
I think Swiftee's comments are rather an extension of commentary that points out some other reasons why the " Truth about black crime "
and the statistics that support the thread are trying to convey.
I didn't write the statistics and frankly what I see is not surprising.
Interesting Chuck how you attack Swiftees post at 5:03 p.m. as some kind of racists comment when you totally ignored it and went on to respond something about how his party is all out for themselves.
Your party isn't any better .
With schools not living up to their graduation expectations, the bad economy, a surplus of children being born into this country in it's present state, just where are all the jobs going to be that will give a living wage ?
I mean historically, people have resorted to crime to support their survival when they have no job or shelter.
Which brings us back to the incarceration rates for blacks being higher than any in the U.S.
Hence this is the question confronted us in the title of this posting Chuck, not some diverson about how you want to blame Swiftees party.
Why is it this way Eric and who is responcible ?
I just googled whether more blacks were imprisoned than whites and the answer was clear, blacks were locked up in prison 5Xs more than whites.
Seems your comment at your 12:07 is false. You said :
" Second, Whites still out number blacks in american prisons " .
Not according to the facts reported on the internet from legitimate sources Eric, so unless your privy to secret national statistics that the public isn't made aware of your just plain wrong so then one could gather that your just cutting on ol whity to to feel good about yourself and your kind.
Come on now Eric, lets be honest about it.
Jeff Matiatos
All right Bob, I hope you get this worked out . It was bad timing there on my last post because I caught Eric in a BIG contradiction about incarceration of blacks verses whites.
By the way Eric, you said on the other posting that there were more whites in prisons than whites ???? However, googling the question shows you to be very wrong and that actually, there are 5Xs more blacks in prison for weapons charges, thefts, rapes, and drugs.
For you to make such a bold contradiction in the face of the title of that post :
" The truth about black crime ",
tells us all alot about how far you are willing to go to win the arguement.
You lose !!!
Jeff Matiatos
To all the viewers here I rushed to judgement insinuating that perhalps Bob was deleting posts here.
This is not true and I see now that there are technical difficulties.
I will use better discretion next time this sort of thing happens.
Jeff Matiatos
I think Eric got his stats from a Wikileaks cable LoL :)
Jeff Matiatos
Thank you for the apology Jeff.
And thank you for making it perfectly clear how most of white America feels about blacks.
Debriefing people who have been brainwashed all their lives is next to impossible. This is the very reason I don't like these kinds of debates.
They ignore the fact white institutional racism drives these statistics. And there is many flaws in how the statistical data is collected.
So many of you white folks out there are racist and you can't even face it. You justify your feelings with ignorance and you are OK with thinking you are better than black folks. That is all you know, that is all you have ever been taught.
The GREAT news is! All of you are getting old and dying, and there is hope for future generations! My son's generation isn't as racist as our generation and our parents generation.
Institutional racism was coined by Stokley Carmichael of the Black Panther party in the 1960s which is defined as " The collective failure of an orginization
to provide service to people because of their color, culture, or ethnic origin ".
But, what confuses me is that if this is so, and there are so many welfare programs and safety nets as well as relief programs for the poor and unemployed that folks are resorting to crime ? Profit and materialistic wants by those who desire it can be the only true answer. I am not convinced that Government is entirely responcible for the plight of blacks to prisons.
The stats say that for blacks, property crimes and drugs top the reasons for incarceration, then violent crimes are running close behind.
Again, does Eric willing to lie about the truth of black incarceration vs. whites mean Eric has inner spite or racists views for whites ?
Perhalps we need to think about that.
But, in this day in age, I think all the mechanisms for equal educational opprotunities and relief programs are in place for all races.
I just happen to believe that the black underclass ( unfortunate also ) are still stuck in a funk of not getting proper direction from within their own family structure.
Is this the fault of the institution ?
I think not.
Jeff Matiatos
Alon Ziv presents evidence from academic journals, world history, pop culture, and recent census counts to prove that interracial individuals have significant physical and mental advantages.
Public schools in Republican areas do better than in DFL areas for four reasons, they usually get more money in direct property tax payments.
Money does not equal quality. If it did, SPPS would be pumping out Rhodes Scholars instead of illiterate Democrat voters.
Public school kids do better in conservative areas because conservatives tend to take their responsibilities to their kids seriously.
While moonbats are dragging their little "Zoe's" to the big gay parade, conservative parents are involving themselves in activities geared towards their kids, instead of the other way around.
When the little moonbat kid comes home to a hero's welcome for skipping school to protest tax cuts at the capital, the kid from the conservative family is judged on how well he did on his Biology exam.
NEXT
So, when your GOP buddies cut aid to the cities, since of course cities aren't a part of the state only the suburbs and rural areas deserve service from the state, then of course cities have to raise property taxes.
They do if they want to keep their Bicycle Advisory Boards in business, and if they are intent on creating triply redundant agencies to reward their minions and to pay the overtime their union employees incur after spending the day eating doughnuts at SuperAmerica.
Amazingly enough, there are hundreds of towns and cities of all sizes that have never received a single solitary cent of LGA. Did you know that Chuck?
How they are not dying in the streets is anybody's guess...right Chuck?
Idiot
You said it.
NEXT
Like I said, the GOP position is that if we would just not give the poor and food or places to live they would either become wealthy or die. Yah, that will work...
No, actually it already has worked.
In fact, plotting a chart of American society since the start of the Democrat welfare plantation against just about any social ill you care to mention reveals a linear correlation.
Educational failure; check.
Teen birth; check.
Drug use; check.
Crime; check
The destruction of the family; check.
With no other issue does the wisdom behind the idea that "if you want more of something pay people to do it" reveal itself better than sloth.
And anytime you want to defend the inherently racist Democrat position that minorities are not good enough, or smart enough or hard working enough to fend for themselves unless a they are spoon fed by some government agency in a public forum, you just let me know, you pencil necked, sewer dwelling, leftist cocksucker.
You can also use the opportunity to tell me all about what a racist I am, in person.
Institutional racism in the movies-
Remember the old cowboy and Indian movies? The Indians were always the bad guys.
How bout the little rascals, Buckwheat didn't appear to be to bright did he?
Amos and Andy? Not to cool!
How bout Reefer Madness. Black men get high and rape white women? Come on! During the prohibition of marijuana black men were demonized like this. Hearst an advocate of prohibition had 5 major newspapers printing garbage like this.
A lot of movies had black folk's depicted as nothing more than lowly paid not to bright house servant, doormen, shoeshine boys.
I have a lot more to say and not enough time to comment.
Thought I'd share a picture of myself with my Dad and 2 sisters.
The photo was taken in the 60's in Maiden Rock Wisconsin.
LINK HERE
Bob, your correct in how blacks and other races were portrayed in movies and used in an inferior sence. I really don't believe in this day that sort of thing is happening to the degree it was unless you can point that out and give some examples.
While there most likely will always be mutual distrusts and racial animosities between blacks and whites, we just don't see the kind of institutionalized racism that existed mostly between 1900 and the early 70s
When you see blacks coming out with their own exclusive magazines and cable t.v. shows, like BET, to me it's an indication that their setting themselves up as if to start a whole new society free from whites or anyone else.
Is that not racism ?
Jeff Matiatos
Maiden Rock Wisconsin seems like a very Farmish and Green kind of place off lake pepin.
Looks like a nice place to live.
Jeff Matiatos
Here's what I said:
First, the United States have more people locked up than anywhere on earth. We made a private for profit business out of the prison system and then criminalized so many non-violent crimes that there is an incentive to imprison people. The more in prison, the more money someone makes.
Second, whites still outnumber blacks in American prisons.
According to the FBI statistics, they are still over 60% of all arrests and blacks make up 36% of arrests.
My second point is in error and I should have caught it in the very sentence when I wrote the word arrest instead of incarcerated.
The FBI statistics do show blacks make up 30% of all arrests. That's the number I had in my head. However, I am shocked to informed that about 60% of those behind bars are black. Here's the chart I used: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html
People keep asking me why like I'm a sociologist. Unlike Jeff, I don't pretend to be what I'm not. I offered the following reasons because I can actually show supporting data
Jeff said: "I mean at some point you have to acknowledge that the high level of incarceration rates for blacks isn't by accident."
I answered with this:
Hell no its not by accident. As I pointed out, there is an incentive that financial (instead of what's good for society), political (lock 'em all up talk) and the usual socio-economic stats you hear about. And, the number one reason is because someone was committing a crime.
Who disagrees with that? Nobody! So shut up. That's what I wrote. I have no idea with the obsession of assigning ideals to me, when they are written out in front of you. I'll break down the four reason again:
1. The rise of for-profit prison industry.
2. Mandatory imprisonment legislation.
3. The usual socio-economic stats that are known.
4. And the number one reason is that someone was actually committing a crime.
What more do you want?
Eric
Folk's my adoptive father was born in 1917, he denied his Indian heritage well into his 70's. Why do you suppose he did this? He didn't want to be part of the group of people labeled by white institutional racist as drunken Indians who couldn't be trusted.
What a shame for a man who lived an honorable life. In Spite of the adversities of living in a white institutionally racist society my dad persevered. Most people do survive adversity, but having the deck stacked against an entire race from cradle to grave is bound to effect statistics and peoples lives.
My father learned from my sisters and I, we were proud of him and his heritage. I talked to my dad about a lot of the things we are talking about here. The truth was a beckon of light to his experience and from that point on my dad proudly celbrated his Indian hertiage until his death at age 86.
Living life constantly having to prove ones self as not part of the labeled group, is frustrating.
Movies are just one form of institutional racism.
I think Eric got his stats from a Wikileaks cable LoL :)
Jeff Matiatos
3:05 PM
Nope they came from the FBI, just mixed up the incarceration rate with the arrest rate.
Also, has anyone heard anything about Wikileaks being erroneous or lies? From everything I read and hear, its the raw truth that others have been trying to hide. Why does Jeff think that's something to be mocked?
You lose !!!
Jeff Matiatos
2:47 PM
Lose what?
Methinks the loser be you.
You have lost everything most of us think is important (career, home, family), have grown to be bitter and hateful, and you've let this little spot on the internet define who you are.
That's sad and pitiful.
Eric
Here's what I said:
First, the United States have more people locked up than anywhere on earth. We made a private for profit business out of the prison system and then criminalized so many non-violent crimes that there is an incentive to imprison people. The more in prison, the more money someone makes.
Second, whites still outnumber blacks in American prisons.
According to the FBI statistics, they are still over 60% of all arrests and blacks make up 36% of arrests.
My second point is in error and I should have caught it in the very sentence when I wrote the word arrest instead of incarcerated.
The FBI statistics do show blacks make up 30% of all arrests. That's the number I had in my head. However, I am shocked to informed that about 60% of those behind bars are black. Here's the chart I used: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html
People keep asking me why like I'm a sociologist. Unlike Jeff, I don't pretend to be what I'm not. I offered the following reasons because I can actually show supporting data
Jeff said: "I mean at some point you have to acknowledge that the high level of incarceration rates for blacks isn't by accident."
I answered with this:
Hell no its not by accident. As I pointed out, there is an incentive that financial (instead of what's good for society), political (lock 'em all up talk) and the usual socio-economic stats you hear about. And, the number one reason is because someone was committing a crime.
Who disagrees with that? Nobody! So shut up. That's what I wrote. I have no idea with the obsession of assigning ideals to me, when they are written out in front of you. I'll break down the four reason again:
1. The rise of for-profit prison industry.
2. Mandatory imprisonment legislation.
3. The usual socio-economic stats that are known.
4. And the number one reason is that someone was actually committing a crime.
What more do you want?
Eric
Living life constantly having to prove ones self as not part of the labeled group, is frustrating.
Amen.
Eric
Here's what I said:
First, the United States have more people locked up than anywhere on earth. We made a private for profit business out of the prison system and then criminalized so many non-violent crimes that there is an incentive to imprison people. The more in prison, the more money someone makes.
Second, whites still outnumber blacks in American prisons.
According to the FBI statistics, they are still over 60% of all arrests and blacks make up 36% of arrests.
My second point is in error and I should have caught it in the very sentence when I wrote the word arrest instead of incarcerated.
The FBI statistics do show blacks make up 30% of all arrests. That's the number I had in my head. However, I am shocked to informed that about 60% of those behind bars are black. Here's the chart I used: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html
People keep asking me why like I'm a sociologist. Unlike Jeff, I don't pretend to be what I'm not. I offered the following reasons because I can actually show supporting data
Jeff said: "I mean at some point you have to acknowledge that the high level of incarceration rates for blacks isn't by accident."
I answered with this:
Hell no its not by accident. As I pointed out, there is an incentive that financial (instead of what's good for society), political (lock 'em all up talk) and the usual socio-economic stats you hear about. And, the number one reason is because someone was committing a crime.
Who disagrees with that? Nobody! So shut up. That's what I wrote. I have no idea with the obsession of assigning ideals to me, when they are written out in front of you. I'll break down the four reason again:
1. The rise of for-profit prison industry.
2. Mandatory imprisonment legislation.
3. The usual socio-economic stats that are known.
4. And the number one reason is that someone was actually committing a crime.
What more do you want?
Eric
Here's what I said:
First, the United States have more people locked up than anywhere on earth. We made a private for profit business out of the prison system and then criminalized so many non-violent crimes that there is an incentive to imprison people. The more in prison, the more money someone makes.
Second, whites still outnumber blacks in American prisons.
According to the FBI statistics, they are still over 60% of all arrests and blacks make up 36% of arrests.
My second point is in error and I should have caught it in the very sentence when I wrote the word arrest instead of incarcerated.
The FBI statistics do show blacks make up 30% of all arrests. That's the number I had in my head. However, I am shocked to informed that about 60% of those behind bars are black. Here's the chart I used: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html
People keep asking me why like I'm a sociologist. Unlike Jeff, I don't pretend to be what I'm not. I offered the following reasons because I can actually show supporting data
Jeff said: "I mean at some point you have to acknowledge that the high level of incarceration rates for blacks isn't by accident."
I answered with this:
Hell no its not by accident. As I pointed out, there is an incentive that financial (instead of what's good for society), political (lock 'em all up talk) and the usual socio-economic stats you hear about. And, the number one reason is because someone was committing a crime.
Who disagrees with that? Nobody! So shut up. That's what I wrote. I have no idea with the obsession of assigning ideals to me, when they are written out in front of you. I'll break down the four reason again:
1. The rise of for-profit prison industry.
2. Mandatory imprisonment legislation.
3. The usual socio-economic stats that are known.
4. And the number one reason is that someone was actually committing a crime.
What more do you want?
Eric
I'll try posting one more time. Its disappeared six times so far.
Here's what I said at the beginning of this whole thread:
First, the United States have more people locked up than anywhere on earth. We made a private for profit business out of the prison system and then criminalized so many non-violent crimes that there is an incentive to imprison people. The more in prison, the more money someone makes.
Second, whites still outnumber blacks in American prisons.
According to the FBI statistics, they are still over 60% of all arrests and blacks make up 36% of arrests.
My second point is in error and I should have caught it in the very sentence when I wrote the word arrest instead of incarcerated.
The FBI statistics do show blacks make up 30% of all arrests. That's the number I had in my head. However, I am shocked to informed that about 60% of those behind bars are black. Here's the chart I used: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html
People keep asking me why like I'm a sociologist. Unlike Jeff, I don't pretend to be what I'm not. I offered the following reasons because I can actually show supporting data
Jeff said: "I mean at some point you have to acknowledge that the high level of incarceration rates for blacks isn't by accident."
I answered with this:
Hell no its not by accident. As I pointed out, there is an incentive that financial (instead of what's good for society), political (lock 'em all up talk) and the usual socio-economic stats you hear about. And, the number one reason is because someone was committing a crime.
Who disagrees with that? Nobody! So shut up. That's what I wrote. I have no idea with the obsession of assigning ideals to me, when they are written out in front of you. I'll break down the four reason again:
1. The rise of for-profit prison industry.
2. Mandatory imprisonment legislation.
3. The usual socio-economic stats that are known.
4. And the number one reason is that someone was actually committing a crime.
What more do you want?
Eric
Here's what I said:
First, the United States have more people locked up than anywhere on earth. We made a private for profit business out of the prison system and then criminalized so many non-violent crimes that there is an incentive to imprison people. The more in prison, the more money someone makes.
Second, whites still outnumber blacks in American prisons.
According to the FBI statistics, they are still over 60% of all arrests and blacks make up 36% of arrests.
My second point is in error and I should have caught it in the very sentence when I wrote the word arrest instead of incarcerated.
The FBI statistics do show blacks make up 30% of all arrests. That's the number I had in my head. However, I am shocked to informed that about 60% of those behind bars are black. Here's the chart I used: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html
People keep asking me why like I'm a sociologist. Unlike Jeff, I don't pretend to be what I'm not. I offered the following reasons because I can actually show supporting data
Jeff said: "I mean at some point you have to acknowledge that the high level of incarceration rates for blacks isn't by accident."
I answered with this:
Hell no its not by accident. As I pointed out, there is an incentive that financial (instead of what's good for society), political (lock 'em all up talk) and the usual socio-economic stats you hear about. And, the number one reason is because someone was committing a crime.
Who disagrees with that? Nobody! So shut up. That's what I wrote. I have no idea with the obsession of assigning ideals to me, when they are written out in front of you. I'll break down the four reason again:
1. The rise of for-profit prison industry.
2. Mandatory imprisonment legislation.
3. The usual socio-economic stats that are known.
4. And the number one reason is that someone was actually committing a crime.
What more do you want?
Eric
My last response has been disappearing over and over tonight. Two hours later I'm still reposting it.
Blogger.com blows
Eric
Here's what I said:
First, the United States have more people locked up than anywhere on earth. We made a private for profit business out of the prison system and then criminalized so many non-violent crimes that there is an incentive to imprison people. The more in prison, the more money someone makes.
Second, whites still outnumber blacks in American prisons.
According to the FBI statistics, they are still over 60% of all arrests and blacks make up 36% of arrests.
My second point is in error and I should have caught it in the very sentence when I wrote the word arrest instead of incarcerated.
The FBI statistics do show blacks make up 30% of all arrests. That's the number I had in my head. However, I am shocked to informed that about 60% of those behind bars are black. Here's the chart I used: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html
People keep asking me why like I'm a sociologist. Unlike Jeff, I don't pretend to be what I'm not. I offered the following reasons because I can actually show supporting data
Jeff said: "I mean at some point you have to acknowledge that the high level of incarceration rates for blacks isn't by accident."
I answered with this:
Hell no its not by accident. As I pointed out, there is an incentive that financial (instead of what's good for society), political (lock 'em all up talk) and the usual socio-economic stats you hear about. And, the number one reason is because someone was committing a crime.
Who disagrees with that? Nobody! So shut up. That's what I wrote. I have no idea with the obsession of assigning ideals to me, when they are written out in front of you. I'll break down the four reason again:
1. The rise of for-profit prison industry.
2. Mandatory imprisonment legislation.
3. The usual socio-economic stats that are known.
4. And the number one reason is that someone was actually committing a crime.
What more do you want?
Eric
Here's what I said:
First, the United States have more people locked up than anywhere on earth. We made a private for profit business out of the prison system and then criminalized so many non-violent crimes that there is an incentive to imprison people. The more in prison, the more money someone makes.
Second, whites still outnumber blacks in American prisons.
According to the FBI statistics, they are still over 60% of all arrests and blacks make up 36% of arrests.
My second point is in error and I should have caught it in the very sentence when I wrote the word arrest instead of incarcerated.
The FBI statistics do show blacks make up 30% of all arrests. That's the number I had in my head. However, I am shocked to informed that about 60% of those behind bars are black. Here's the chart I used: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html
People keep asking me why like I'm a sociologist. Unlike Jeff, I don't pretend to be what I'm not. I offered the following reasons because I can actually show supporting data
Jeff said: "I mean at some point you have to acknowledge that the high level of incarceration rates for blacks isn't by accident."
I answered with this:
Hell no its not by accident. As I pointed out, there is an incentive that financial (instead of what's good for society), political (lock 'em all up talk) and the usual socio-economic stats you hear about. And, the number one reason is because someone was committing a crime.
Who disagrees with that? Nobody! So shut up. That's what I wrote. I have no idea with the obsession of assigning ideals to me, when they are written out in front of you. I'll break down the four reason again:
1. The rise of for-profit prison industry.
2. Mandatory imprisonment legislation.
3. The usual socio-economic stats that are known.
4. And the number one reason is that someone was actually committing a crime.
What more do you want?
Eric
Here's what I said:
First, the United States have more people locked up than anywhere on earth. We made a private for profit business out of the prison system and then criminalized so many non-violent crimes that there is an incentive to imprison people. The more in prison, the more money someone makes.
Second, whites still outnumber blacks in American prisons.
According to the FBI statistics, they are still over 60% of all arrests and blacks make up 36% of arrests.
My second point is in error and I should have caught it in the very sentence when I wrote the word arrest instead of incarcerated.
The FBI statistics do show blacks make up 30% of all arrests. That's the number I had in my head. However, I am shocked to informed that about 60% of those behind bars are black. Here's the chart I used: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html
People keep asking me why like I'm a sociologist. Unlike Jeff, I don't pretend to be what I'm not. I offered the following reasons because I can actually show supporting data
Jeff said: "I mean at some point you have to acknowledge that the high level of incarceration rates for blacks isn't by accident."
I answered with this:
Hell no its not by accident. As I pointed out, there is an incentive that financial (instead of what's good for society), political (lock 'em all up talk) and the usual socio-economic stats you hear about. And, the number one reason is because someone was committing a crime.
Who disagrees with that? Nobody! So shut up. That's what I wrote. I have no idea with the obsession of assigning ideals to me, when they are written out in front of you. I'll break down the four reason again:
1. The rise of for-profit prison industry.
2. Mandatory imprisonment legislation.
3. The usual socio-economic stats that are known.
4. And the number one reason is that someone was actually committing a crime.
What more do you want?
Eric
Here's what I said:
First, the United States have more people locked up than anywhere on earth. We made a private for profit business out of the prison system and then criminalized so many non-violent crimes that there is an incentive to imprison people. The more in prison, the more money someone makes.
Second, whites still outnumber blacks in American prisons.
According to the FBI statistics, they are still over 60% of all arrests and blacks make up 36% of arrests.
My second point is in error and I should have caught it in the very sentence when I wrote the word arrest instead of incarcerated.
The FBI statistics do show blacks make up 30% of all arrests. That's the number I had in my head. However, I am shocked to informed that about 60% of those behind bars are black. Here's the chart I used: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html
People keep asking me why like I'm a sociologist. Unlike Jeff, I don't pretend to be what I'm not. I offered the following reasons because I can actually show supporting data
Jeff said: "I mean at some point you have to acknowledge that the high level of incarceration rates for blacks isn't by accident."
I answered with this:
Hell no its not by accident. As I pointed out, there is an incentive that financial (instead of what's good for society), political (lock 'em all up talk) and the usual socio-economic stats you hear about. And, the number one reason is because someone was committing a crime.
Who disagrees with that? Nobody! So shut up. That's what I wrote. I have no idea with the obsession of assigning ideals to me, when they are written out in front of you. I'll break down the four reason again:
1. The rise of for-profit prison industry.
2. Mandatory imprisonment legislation.
3. The usual socio-economic stats that are known.
4. And the number one reason is that someone was actually committing a crime.
What more do you want?
Eric
Here's what I said:
First, the United States have more people locked up than anywhere on earth. We made a private for profit business out of the prison system and then criminalized so many non-violent crimes that there is an incentive to imprison people. The more in prison, the more money someone makes.
Second, whites still outnumber blacks in American prisons.
According to the FBI statistics, they are still over 60% of all arrests and blacks make up 36% of arrests.
My second point is in error and I should have caught it in the very sentence when I wrote the word arrest instead of incarcerated.
The FBI statistics do show blacks make up 30% of all arrests. That's the number I had in my head. However, I am shocked to informed that about 60% of those behind bars are black. Here's the chart I used: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html
People keep asking me why like I'm a sociologist. Unlike Jeff, I don't pretend to be what I'm not. I offered the following reasons because I can actually show supporting data
Jeff said: "I mean at some point you have to acknowledge that the high level of incarceration rates for blacks isn't by accident."
I answered with this:
Hell no its not by accident. As I pointed out, there is an incentive that financial (instead of what's good for society), political (lock 'em all up talk) and the usual socio-economic stats you hear about. And, the number one reason is because someone was committing a crime.
Who disagrees with that? Nobody! So shut up. That's what I wrote. I have no idea with the obsession of assigning ideals to me, when they are written out in front of you. I'll break down the four reason again:
1. The rise of for-profit prison industry.
2. Mandatory imprisonment legislation.
3. The usual socio-economic stats that are known.
4. And the number one reason is that someone was actually committing a crime.
What more do you want?
Eric
Here's what I said:
First, the United States have more people locked up than anywhere on earth. We made a private for profit business out of the prison system and then criminalized so many non-violent crimes that there is an incentive to imprison people. The more in prison, the more money someone makes.
Second, whites still outnumber blacks in American prisons.
According to the FBI statistics, they are still over 60% of all arrests and blacks make up 36% of arrests.
My second point is in error and I should have caught it in the very sentence when I wrote the word arrest instead of incarcerated.
The FBI statistics do show blacks make up 30% of all arrests. That's the number I had in my head. However, I am shocked to informed that about 60% of those behind bars are black. Here's the chart I used: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html
People keep asking me why like I'm a sociologist. Unlike Jeff, I don't pretend to be what I'm not. I offered the following reasons because I can actually show supporting data
Jeff said: "I mean at some point you have to acknowledge that the high level of incarceration rates for blacks isn't by accident."
I answered with this:
Hell no its not by accident. As I pointed out, there is an incentive that financial (instead of what's good for society), political (lock 'em all up talk) and the usual socio-economic stats you hear about. And, the number one reason is because someone was committing a crime.
Who disagrees with that? Nobody! So shut up. That's what I wrote. I have no idea with the obsession of assigning ideals to me, when they are written out in front of you. I'll break down the four reason again:
1. The rise of for-profit prison industry.
2. Mandatory imprisonment legislation.
3. The usual socio-economic stats that are known.
4. And the number one reason is that someone was actually committing a crime.
What more do you want?
Eric
Institutional racism
•The network of institutional structures, policies, practices and behaviors, which intentionally or unintentionally create advantages and benefits for Whites, and discrimination, exclusion, oppression, and disadvantages for people from targeted racial groups. ...
www.racetoeducate.com/2008/12/definitions.html
My last response has been disappearing over and over tonight. Two hours later I'm still reposting it.
Blogger.com blows
Eric
Some of these comments that disappear are reappearing in multiple.
I am told blogger is working on this problem.
I appreciate everyone's efforts!
How about listing some of them policies, practices and behaviors that constitute institutional racism in the present day ?
I respect your sentiment Bob for the black community and every race in general, though I believe that the truth about black crime lies in the clear understanding by neutral minded people that blacks who commit crimes are no different than white collar crimminals, where intent to commit them is self serving and to victimize their victims for personal gain and retribution.
I am perfectly fine with who I am and my natural human instinct to love, hate, appreciate, and every other human emotion and sence that we as people have within us. I suppose your just different and wierd Eric. No problem, we have places for you to. Maybe you could book a room at Anoka State.
Jeff Matiatos
The institution made me do it Judge, please don't lock me up !!!
My comments that keep disappearing:
Here's what I said:
First, the United States have more people locked up than anywhere on earth. We made a private for profit business out of the prison system and then criminalized so many non-violent crimes that there is an incentive to imprison people. The more in prison, the more money someone makes.
Second, whites still outnumber blacks in American prisons.
According to the FBI statistics, they are still over 60% of all arrests and blacks make up 36% of arrests.
My second point is in error and I should have caught it in the very sentence when I wrote the word arrest instead of incarcerated.
The FBI statistics do show blacks make up 30% of all arrests. That's the number I had in my head. However, I am shocked to informed that about 60% of those behind bars are black. Here's the chart I used: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html
People keep asking me why like I'm a sociologist. Unlike Jeff, I don't pretend to be what I'm not. I offered the following reasons because I can actually show supporting data
Jeff said: "I mean at some point you have to acknowledge that the high level of incarceration rates for blacks isn't by accident."
I answered with this:
Hell no its not by accident. As I pointed out, there is an incentive that financial (instead of what's good for society), political (lock 'em all up talk) and the usual socio-economic stats you hear about. And, the number one reason is because someone was committing a crime.
Who disagrees with that? Nobody! So shut up. That's what I wrote. I have no idea with the obsession of assigning ideals to me, when they are written out in front of you. I'll break down the four reason again:
1. The rise of for-profit prison industry.
2. Mandatory imprisonment legislation.
3. The usual socio-economic stats that are known.
4. And the number one reason is that someone was actually committing a crime.
What more do you want?
Eric
My comments that keep disappearing:
Here's what I said:
First, the United States have more people locked up than anywhere on earth. We made a private for profit business out of the prison system and then criminalized so many non-violent crimes that there is an incentive to imprison people. The more in prison, the more money someone makes.
Second, whites still outnumber blacks in American prisons.
According to the FBI statistics, they are still over 60% of all arrests and blacks make up 36% of arrests.
My second point is in error and I should have caught it in the very sentence when I wrote the word arrest instead of incarcerated.
The FBI statistics do show blacks make up 30% of all arrests. That's the number I had in my head. However, I am shocked to informed that about 60% of those behind bars are black. Here's the chart I used: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html
People keep asking me why like I'm a sociologist. Unlike Jeff, I don't pretend to be what I'm not. I offered the following reasons because I can actually show supporting data
Jeff said: "I mean at some point you have to acknowledge that the high level of incarceration rates for blacks isn't by accident."
I answered with this:
Hell no its not by accident. As I pointed out, there is an incentive that financial (instead of what's good for society), political (lock 'em all up talk) and the usual socio-economic stats you hear about. And, the number one reason is because someone was committing a crime.
Who disagrees with that? Nobody! So shut up. That's what I wrote. I have no idea with the obsession of assigning ideals to me, when they are written out in front of you. I'll break down the four reason again:
1. The rise of for-profit prison industry.
2. Mandatory imprisonment legislation.
3. The usual socio-economic stats that are known.
4. And the number one reason is that someone was actually committing a crime.
What more do you want?
Eric
1:04 AM
Jeff said:
Right, it's not by accident that more blacks than any race are locked up in prisons.
It's that way because those who are locked up make a personal choice to steal, rape, assault, murder, and sell dope to kids.
All of those crimes you listed, have people who were not imprisoned. Why? With a good lawyer, you can plea bargain prison time or even plea down the charges. So, what one get arrested for and eventually get convicted of can look completely different. If you are poor, you are likely to do more time than someone who hires a private attorney. Period.
Jeff said:
Thats what 60% of black folks in prison have choosen to do.
Yet 70% of those arrested (FBI stats) are NOT black and the prison population is booming with the 30% arrested (who make up 60% of the population-blacks).
Jeff said:
Any way you spin it Eric is no justification and no reason for any judge to give a lighter sentence either. Mandatory prison term legislation is the best way to keep these thugs off the street.
Studies that show criminals are deterred more effectively by increasing the chances of their conviction, rather than increasing the sentence if they are convicted.
http://www.slate.com/id/57573/
Also, judges lose control over sentencing and cannot apply discretion given the particular facts of a case (whether a drug defendant was a drug distributor or low-level user). Drug treatment is more cost-effective than long sentences. The public prefers judicial discretion to mandatory minimums. Educate yourself:
http://www.famm.org/
You yourself were praising judicial discretion on here a couple of years ago. You liked it when the judge got creative and imprisoned that particular person for something that wasn't against the law.
kkkJeff said:
Your black kin in prisons happen to be there for a reason. No wronful prosecutions, just straight up convictions for crimminal acts done with the intent to destroy the very fabric of this nation.
Uh-huh. Not my kin. But, you are one to talk. Aren't you ;)
Oh, so now prisons want to profit off of jailing blacks ? Since prisons belong to the states and Federal Government how are they profiting ?
No. Not what I said at all. I never specified blacks. I'm not that stuck on race. I assume you got your ass kicked by some black guy or lost your wife to one that what's made you a racist.
As a faux lawyer, I'm surprised your not familiar with the rise of private prison industry and the incredible profits that are being made.
kkkJeff said:
We happen to have a crisis in over population because of your black % of thugs that we have to house in prison.
"My" black % of thugs? I don't own any thugs. Your sentence shows your racist mentality. Let's break it down:
You say "we" have a crisis. You say "your" black %thugs. You say "we" have to house in prison.
In your head, its good white people like yourself that are Americans and everyone else is, just everyone else.
Again, you are not employed, don't own property, messed up your family life and add nothing to society. I am self-employed, own property and bust it raising my family and keeping my wife happy, and still volunteer for things that I think make society better. Yet, you think because I'm black, you can assign a criminal element to me, instead you who happen to be a sponge on society right now- just like those you disparage. The lady doth protests too much.
Show me the books Eric that show a profit !!!
Next post. Sit back and learn.
Eric
Bob you may want to post this separately.
* NOVEMBER 19, 2008
Larger Inmate Population Is Boon to Private Prisons
November 19,2008
By STEPHANIE CHEN
Prison companies are preparing for a wave of new business as the economic downturn makes it increasingly difficult for federal and state government officials to build and operate their own jails.
The Federal Bureau of Prisons and several state governments have sent thousands of inmates in recent months to prisons and detention centers run by Corrections Corp. of America, Geo Group Inc. and other private operators, as a crackdown on illegal immigration, a lengthening of mandatory sentences for certain crimes and other factors have overcrowded many government facilities.
Prison-policy experts expect inmate populations in 10 states to have increased by 25% or more between 2006 and 2011, according to a report by the nonprofit Pew Charitable Trusts.
[Fettered Growth]
Private prisons housed 7.4% of the country's 1.59 million incarcerated adults in federal and state prisons as of the middle of 2007, up from 1.57 million in 2006, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, a crime-data-gathering arm of the U.S. Department of Justice.
Corrections Corp., the largest private-prison operator in the U.S., with 64 facilities, has built two prisons this year and expanded nine facilities, and it plans to finish two more in 2009. The Nashville, Tenn., company put 1,680 new prison beds into service in its third quarter, helping boost net income 14% to $37.9 million. "There is going to be a larger opportunity for us in the future," said Damon Hininger, Corrections Corp.'s president and chief operations officer, in a recent interview.
California has shipped more than 5,100 inmates to private prisons run by Corrections Corp. in Arizona, Mississippi and other states since late 2006, when Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger ordered emergency measures to control a ballooning state-prison population. Prisons were so overcrowded that hundreds of inmates were sleeping in gyms, according to one report. An additional 2,900 prisoners are scheduled to be transferred to private prisons outside the state by the end of next year, according to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.
"Private prisons are a short-term solution while we work on long-term solutions, rehabilitation programs and recidivism strategies," said Terry Thornton, spokeswoman for the state's corrections department.
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Prison overcrowding, partially due to a crackdown on illegal immigration and longer mandatory sentences for certain crimes, could spur state and federal officials to increase the use of private prisons like this one in Otay Mesa, Calif.
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Prison overcrowding, partially due to a crackdown on illegal immigration and longer mandatory sentences for certain crimes, could spur state and federal officials to increase the use of private prisons like this one in Otay Mesa, Calif.
Prison overcrowding, partially due to a crackdown on illegal immigration and longer mandatory sentences for certain crimes, could spur state and federal officials to increase the use of private prisons like this one in Otay Mesa, Calif.
Prison overcrowding, partially due to a crackdown on illegal immigration and longer mandatory sentences for certain crimes, could spur state and federal officials to increase the use of private prisons like this one in Otay Mesa, Calif.
end part one
Eric
part two:
Larger Inmate Population Is Boon to Private Prisons
November 19,2008
By STEPHANIE CHEN
continued:
Geo Group, of Boca Raton, Fla., the second-largest prison company, has built or expanded eight facilities this year in Georgia, Texas, Mississippi and other states, and it plans seven more expansions or new prisons by 2010. Last month, Geo Group was awarded a contract by Florida's Department of Management Services to design and build a 2,000-bed special-needs prison in that state. Cornell Cos., the nation's third-largest prison company, recently broke ground on a 1,250-bed private prison for men in Hudson, Colo.
The Federal Bureau of Prisons, the government agency that operates all federal prisons and manages the handling of inmates convicted of federal crimes, has awarded 13 contracts since 1997 to prison companies to build prisons and detention centers that house low-security inmates, primarily "low security criminal aliens," says Felicia Ponce, a spokeswoman for the agency. The contracts give the bureau "flexibility to manage a rapidly growing inmate population and to help control overcrowding," Ms. Ponce says.
Outsourcing incarceration to prison companies can reduce a government's cost of housing those prisoners by as much as 15%, according to a study by the Reason Foundation, a research organization in Los Angeles. Private operators say they can build prisons more quickly and operate them less expensively than governments because their payroll costs are lower and they can consolidate prisoners from many far-flung jurisdictions into facilities located in areas where land and building costs are very low.
Some groups accuse the private prisons of neglecting inmates or of putting them in bad conditions. "Profit is still a motive and it's structured into the way these prisons are operated," says Judy Greene, a justice-policy analyst for Justice Strategies, a nonprofit studying prison-sentencing issues and problems. "Just because the system has expanded doesn't mean there is evidence that conditions have improved."
The American Civil Liberties Union has filed lawsuits involving several prison companies over the past decade alleging poor treatment of inmates. Last year, the organization and other parties filed a lawsuit against Corrections Corp. and the Department of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement arm in federal court in San Diego, alleging that the company was operating an overcrowded, unsafe immigrant-detention center in that city. Detainees were routinely assigned in groups of three to sleep in two-room cells -- meaning one had to sleep on the floor near the toilet -- or to temporary beds in recreation rooms and other common spaces, according to the complaint. The suit also alleged that detainees had little access to mental-health care.
"We have serious concerns about for-profit prison companies because they are notorious for cutting essential costs that need to be provided to maintain a safe and constitutional environment for prisoners," says Jody Kent, a public-policy coordinator for the ACLU's National Prison Project.
The lawsuit was settled in June, with Corrections Corp. and Homeland Security agreeing to limit immigrant detainees to the number of inmates the facility was designed for. Louise Grant, a Corrections Corp. spokeswoman, says the company's prison practices complied with federal standards and that it regularly discloses capacity levels and other information in federal filings.
"Our government partners monitor us daily," Ms. Grant says. "There is no cutting corners."
Eric
The passages below explain what I was trying to convey in my concern over the private prison industry. They are not more efficient than government facilities and do not provide safer facilities for prisoners or guards. However, they are very good at lobbying state to state and in DC for legislation that corrals people into their systems.
CCA and The GEO Group are major contributors to the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a Washington, D.C. based public policy organization that develops model legislation that advances tough-on-crime legislation and free-market principles such as privatization.
Under their Criminal Justice Task Force, ALEC has developed and helped to successfully implement in many states “tough on crime” initiatives including “Truth in Sentencing” and “Three Strikes” laws. Corporations provide most of the funding for ALEC’s operating budget and influence its political agenda through participation in policy task forces. ALEC’s corporate funders include CCA and The GEO Group. In 1999, CCA made the President’s List for contributions to ALEC’s States and National Policy Summit; Wackenhut also sponsored the conference. Past cochairs of the Criminal Justice Task Force have included Brad Wiggins, then Director of Business Development at CCA and now a Senior Director of Site Acquisition, and John Rees, a former CCA vice president.
By funding and participating in ALEC’s Criminal Justice Task Forces, critics argue, private prison companies directly influence legislation for tougher, longer sentences.[26] The legal system may also be manipulated more directly: in one case (Mid-Atlantic Youth Services Corp) a private prison company was found guilty of paying two judges $2.6m to send 2000 children to their prisons.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123854010220075533.html
http://www.sentencingproject.org/Admin/Documents/publications/inc_prisonprivatization.pdf
Anyone and everyone who believes in the Constitution should be very concerned with this.
People like Jeff can sit back with their heads buried in the sand and say that everyone who goes to prison deserves it and is guilty ENOUGH to be there. Especially is they are black. Is that right Mr Duke?
Eric
My comments that keep disappearing:
Here's what I said:
First, the United States have more people locked up than anywhere on earth. We made a private for profit business out of the prison system and then criminalized so many non-violent crimes that there is an incentive to imprison people. The more in prison, the more money someone makes.
Second, whites still outnumber blacks in American prisons.
According to the FBI statistics, they are still over 60% of all arrests and blacks make up 36% of arrests.
My second point is in error and I should have caught it in the very sentence when I wrote the word arrest instead of incarcerated.
The FBI statistics do show blacks make up 30% of all arrests. That's the number I had in my head. However, I am shocked to informed that about 60% of those behind bars are black. Here's the chart I used: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html
People keep asking me why like I'm a sociologist. Unlike Jeff, I don't pretend to be what I'm not. I offered the following reasons because I can actually show supporting data
Jeff said: "I mean at some point you have to acknowledge that the high level of incarceration rates for blacks isn't by accident."
I answered with this:
Hell no its not by accident. As I pointed out, there is an incentive that financial (instead of what's good for society), political (lock 'em all up talk) and the usual socio-economic stats you hear about. And, the number one reason is because someone was committing a crime.
Who disagrees with that? Nobody! So shut up. That's what I wrote. I have no idea with the obsession of assigning ideals to me, when they are written out in front of you. I'll break down the four reason again:
1. The rise of for-profit prison industry.
2. Mandatory imprisonment legislation.
3. The usual socio-economic stats that are known.
4. And the number one reason is that someone was actually committing a crime.
What more do you want?
Eric
Right, private prisons are a short term solution so I doubt that any signifigant profit being made is going to last. We can reign in any profiteering through contractual agreements, it's that simple.
You said it yourself Eric as do the stats show, offenders more than ever are cutting deals to stay out of local jails but it's not changing the facts about the % of blacks to whites in prison.
Nothing you posted here changes
" The truth about black crime " or what Buchanan has to say.
While your purported stats show me to be slightly off, the subject matter for discussion here according to what Buchanan writes is entirely correct and so far you have posted nothing to contradict it .
Thats all that matters.
Sorry to hear that convicts are having a rough time in prison that the ACLU needs to step in.
Maybe the inmates will think twice now about not wanting to be there.
My personal life and assets are just fine Eric.
Jeff Matiatos
I've been trying to post this since yesterday since I read that I was wrong on the racial make-up of the prison population. I'm going to try it without all of the html commands (italics, bold).
Here's what I said at the top of this discussion:
""First, the United States have more people locked up than anywhere on earth. We made a private for profit business out of the prison system and then criminalized so many non-violent crimes that there is an incentive to imprison people. The more in prison, the more money someone makes.
Second, WHITES STILL OUTNUMBER BLACKS IN AMERICAN PRISONS.""
According to the FBI statistics, they are still over 60% of all arrests and blacks make up 36% of arrests.
My second point is in error and I should have caught it in the very sentence when I wrote the word ARRESTS instead of incarcerated.
The FBI statistics do show blacks make up 30% of all arrests.
That's the number I had in my head. However, I am shocked to informed that about 60% of those behind bars are black.
Here's the chart I used: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html
So I was wrong but, it also triggered me to look up why are black arrests twice as likely to lead to incarceration?
People keep asking me why like I'm a sociologist. Unlike Jeff, I don't pretend to be what I'm not. I offered the following reasons because I can actually show supporting data
Jeff said: "I mean at some point you have to acknowledge that the high level of incarceration rates for blacks isn't by accident."
I answered with this:
"Hell no its not by accident. As I pointed out, there is an incentive that financial (instead of what's good for society), political (lock 'em all up talk) and the usual socio-economic stats you hear about. And, the number one reason is because someone was committing a crime.<--------(You see that? In my very first post on the subject, I stated the number one reason).
Who disagrees with that? Nobody! So shut up. That's what I wrote. I have no idea with the obsession of assigning ideals to me, when they are written out in front of you. I'll break down the four reason for an overall high incarceration again:
1. The rise of for-profit prison industry.
2. Mandatory imprisonment legislation.
3. The usual socio-economic stats that are known.
4. And the number one reason is that someone was actually committing a crime.
What more do you want?
Eric
Jeff, I'm starting to think you have short term memory loss, or the inability to comprehend what you read, or you don't read anything and just continue to pull shit out of thin air. Sometimes, racists have to do that.
I answered the Buchanan charges one third of the way through which I will repost. You haven't provided a link or any source for your rambling. Just let us know, the kkk provides you with speaking points.
It should be evident that Buchanan exploits racial myths in order to sow seeds of discord. I have provided a few dozen of his quotes over the last 30 years on blacks, women and gays. Him being your only source reinforces your prejudices you sometime try to veil.
I answered the post directly with the following:
Issue 1) Yes, white America need to be heard from, Buchanan. Just not from racist scumbags like you. You, who wrote that Dr. King was a "divisive figure" and that "We will never escape the prison of race. It will forever poison our politics." and called Mexican Immigrants anti-semitic to sell books, as well as supported the "Southern Strategy" of Nixon. People like you have no place at the discussion table. Your voice is not the voice of White Americans. You're whisper from a past of fear and misunderstandings.
Issue 2) I'd hardly call White Americans the "Silent Majority". How does a majority stay silent when it controls the airwaves and every major media outlet? You yourself are a pundit on national TV and columnist on several publications. That is not silence. In fact, that is talking too much without hearing from other viewpoints.(probably explains why Jeff and others don't want to hear from me).
Issue 3) America has been the best country on earth for black folks. Oh really, Pat? Because that's quite an assertion to make. Without black slaves in America, there wouldn't have been a Civil War. In fact, American and world history would be so fundamentally altered that you cannot say, one way or the other, if this country had been the greatest country ever for blacks. Instead, let's take it based on current times. Would you really agree, Pat, if you knew all the crap American society does to us? (I personally think Pat doesn't give a crap)
Issue 4) Now, if American society had not actively held us back from the end of slavery till the middle of the 1990's, then we would be a lot further along than we are now. Even you agree with that in your book "State of Emergency" (Buchanan wrote it, not me). Try reading your own books sometime before you post racist garbage, Pat.
Issue 5) Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American. You have got to be kidding me. The man fought in Vietnam for the US Marine Corps. You can't get much more patriotic (or unlucky) than that. He fought and bled for this country and it treated him like crap when he returned, so it made him a little bitter. Ok, really bitter. But, you didn't say anything when McCain said "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live"now did you?
Issue 6) You do realize that stuff like the Pell Grant and Section 8 and Welfare are for everybody, not just Black people, right? You do realize that those "poverty programs" you mentioned were not fully funded or deployed properly nationwide, right?
Issue 7) You are repeating some of the falsehoods on Affirmative Action. Get educated by going here http://www.understandingprejudice.org/readroom/articles/affirm.htm
Issue 8) Those same groups help out anybody, not just Black folks only. It just so happens that a lot of the people they help are Black. But hey, that's on you, and you're frame of thought from the good ol' days remember? (Segregation)
Eric
Bob, there are three post floating around that I can't get to stay. Please repost them for me on here. I've tried for two days. I'm done until Blogger gets it together.
Eric
Jeff you are right, institutional racism in the media isn't as prevalent as it was in years past. However, we are still left with aging generations that were influenced by the bigoted media of the past.
It is these generations who have influence now. And like I said previously, the world will be a better place when they die off.
If any group of people are told repeatedly they don't measure up to the rest of society there will be those in the group who fall victim to the adversity. And what we get is exactly what one would expect.
Eric said--->
Jeff, I'm starting to think you have short term memory loss, or the inability to comprehend what you read, or you don't read anything and just continue to pull shit out of thin air. Sometimes, racists have to do that.
I answered the Buchanan charges one third of the way through which I will repost. You haven't provided a link or any source for your rambling. Just let us know, the kkk provides you with speaking points.
It should be evident that Buchanan exploits racial myths in order to sow seeds of discord. I have provided a few dozen of his quotes over the last 30 years on blacks, women and gays. Him being your only source reinforces your prejudices you sometime try to veil.
I answered the post directly with the following:
Issue 1) Yes, white America need to be heard from, Buchanan. Just not from racist scumbags like you. You, who wrote that Dr. King was a "divisive figure" and that "We will never escape the prison of race. It will forever poison our politics." and called Mexican Immigrants anti-semitic to sell books, as well as supported the "Southern Strategy" of Nixon. People like you have no place at the discussion table. Your voice is not the voice of White Americans. You're whisper from a past of fear and misunderstandings.
Issue 2) I'd hardly call White Americans the "Silent Majority". How does a majority stay silent when it controls the airwaves and every major media outlet? You yourself are a pundit on national TV and columnist on several publications. That is not silence. In fact, that is talking too much without hearing from other viewpoints.(probably explains why Jeff and others don't want to hear from me).
Issue 3) America has been the best country on earth for black folks. Oh really, Pat? Because that's quite an assertion to make. Without black slaves in America, there wouldn't have been a Civil War. In fact, American and world history would be so fundamentally altered that you cannot say, one way or the other, if this country had been the greatest country ever for blacks. Instead, let's take it based on current times. Would you really agree, Pat, if you knew all the crap American society does to us? (I personally think Pat doesn't give a crap)
Issue 4) Now, if American society had not actively held us back from the end of slavery till the middle of the 1990's, then we would be a lot further along than we are now. Even you agree with that in your book "State of Emergency" (Buchanan wrote it, not me). Try reading your own books sometime before you post racist garbage, Pat.
Issue 5) Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American. You have got to be kidding me. The man fought in Vietnam for the US Marine Corps. You can't get much more patriotic (or unlucky) than that. He fought and bled for this country and it treated him like crap when he returned, so it made him a little bitter. Ok, really bitter. But, you didn't say anything when McCain said "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live"now did you?
Issue 6) You do realize that stuff like the Pell Grant and Section 8 and Welfare are for everybody, not just Black people, right? You do realize that those "poverty programs" you mentioned were not fully funded or deployed properly nationwide, right?
Issue 7) You are repeating some of the falsehoods on Affirmative Action. Get educated by going here http://www.understandingprejudice.org/readroom/articles/affirm.htm
Issue 8) Those same groups help out anybody, not just Black folks only. It just so happens that a lot of the people they help are Black. But hey, that's on you, and you're frame of thought from the good ol' days remember? (Segregation)
Eric
Eric said-->
My second point is in error and I should have caught it in the very sentence when I wrote the word ARRESTS instead of incarcerated.
The FBI statistics do show blacks make up 30% of all arrests.
That's the number I had in my head. However, I am shocked to informed that about 60% of those behind bars are black.
Here's the chart I used: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html
So I was wrong but, it also triggered me to look up why are black arrests twice as likely to lead to incarceration?
People keep asking me why like I'm a sociologist. Unlike Jeff, I don't pretend to be what I'm not. I offered the following reasons because I can actually show supporting data
Jeff said: "I mean at some point you have to acknowledge that the high level of incarceration rates for blacks isn't by accident."
I answered with this:
"Hell no its not by accident. As I pointed out, there is an incentive that financial (instead of what's good for society), political (lock 'em all up talk) and the usual socio-economic stats you hear about. And, the number one reason is because someone was committing a crime.<--------(You see that? In my very first post on the subject, I stated the number one reason).
Who disagrees with that? Nobody! So shut up. That's what I wrote. I have no idea with the obsession of assigning ideals to me, when they are written out in front of you. I'll break down the four reason for an overall high incarceration again:
1. The rise of for-profit prison industry.
2. Mandatory imprisonment legislation.
3. The usual socio-economic stats that are known.
4. And the number one reason is that someone was actually committing a crime.
What more do you want?
Eric
I'm looking for the 3rd post Eric. SO far I haven't received it.
I think that's all of them Bob. Most of its repetition anyway.
Eric
"If any group of people are told repeatedly they don't measure up to the rest of society there will be those in the group who fall victim to the adversity."
And yet, the Democrat party built itself by doing just that.
A couple of years ago, I attended a "the sky is falling" town hall meeting at the Rondo center that was called by Saint Paul's stinking Democrat state legislative delegation. (Dave Thune was there too)
Sandy Pappas got up to ensure the largely black audience that Pawlenty's budget would be the end of their lives.
Carlos Mariani assured them that without more programs, they were through.
Cy Thao said budget cuts were war on minorities...because only minorities depend on the government for their very existence, right?
A young girl, maybe 22, got up and basically regurgitated the pap right back at them.
When she was done, I got up and said how sad it was to see and hear such a bright girl saying her future was tied to government handouts.
I looked right in her eyes and told her she was better than that. She had worth; she was intelligent; her future was only as limited as her own imagination and determination made it.
The crowd boo'd me.
THAT is what the stinking Democrat party has done to black America.
Kudo's Swiftee!
Slowly but surely, blacks are waking up to the reality democrats do not represent their interest.
Swiftee - it is sad that you don't have a clue how the other half of America lives.
In your world, all you have to do as a 5 year old kid is wake up, walk to Edina and have some wealthy parents adopt you and everything is fine.
Its like the morons that think the solution to the education problem is a voucher system. In their world if you give vouchers to all of the poor people they would be able to take their kids to the imaginary private schools that could take all of those extra bodies and magically have room for them all and they could wave their magic wand and all of those kids with learning problems would have them magically disappear.
In your world Swiftee everyone who doesn't have a job can magically pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get a living wage job. And, how does that happen? By just getting up and doing it. If they don't have a skill, they need to just apply themselves, can't read?.... well just start... Physical disability?... suck it up...
And, why don't we have living wage jobs in Swiftee world? Because of those pesky unions that actually demand that people be paid living wages. Because in Swiftee world all of the good hearted wealthy people would be paying people more if it wasn't for those damn people who asked for it.
Yes Swiftee world the reason for poverty isn't lack of education, training, untreated chemical dependency, and mental health issues; its that annoying government that is trying to help you. Don't you know that if you were starving you'd be so much better off because then you would take the million dollars that you got from daddy and start your own business!
Its an interesting planet you live on Swiftee.
So, I wonder what do you say to the person who grew up missing 30-40 days of school a year as first, second, third grader and never quite mastered how to read? That ended up dropping out of school because it all seemed rather pointless, when they were 15-16?
Pull yourself up by the boot straps?
Because with too many of you running government, what you may end up having to say to them is:
"Please don't shoot me."
Because the "truth about black crime," and or any crime, is that at some point for any young adult male, there are moments where picking up a gun and cramming it up your racist ass to steal what you got seems like a better move than begging for work at McDonalds.
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
In that particular scenario as Swift described it, he said the right thing. I would not have boo'd that statement because he is right.
I believe if the black vote was divided more evenly between the parties, then we would have more gravitas. Both would actually compete for the vote and the black community would be better off for that.
In reality, it won't happen anytime soon. As long as the Republicans continue to fail to stand against racist statements and actions by their members and spokespersons- most blacks will turn a deaf ear to any policies that plenty are in agreement with them on.
I don't have to list the statements and comments. I've done it from high profile people who speak for Republican ideals like Bill O'Reilly, Rush, Beck, Catholic League, Buchanan, Bachmann and those with white supremacist connections (Duke etc).
And, all of the many threats, racists comments and attempts to de-legitimize Obama by Republicans has done nothing but galvanized opposition for years to come.
Eric
A good read, from the Chicago reporter....
Poor people are poor because they don't want to work, right? That's what a lot of Americans believe.
But imagine working 40 hours a week, even putting in overtime, and having nothing to show for it. That's a reality for many of Chicago's workers who experience wage theft--employers circumventing the law by paying under the minimum wage, shorting hours, asking employees to work off the clock or just not paying them at all.
An investigation by Crain's Chicago Business reveals just how pervasive wage theft is in Cook County. Of Cook County's 310,000 low-wage workers, about half of them have experienced wage theft, according to a study by the University of Illinois at Chicago.
And for workers already making low wages, getting less than they're due can have some serious impact--unpaid bills, utility shutoffs, evictions, high-interest loans and poor credit.
More at chicagoreporter.com
Crain's reporter and former Chicago Reporter intern Claire Bushey talked to Jesenya Rodriguez, who accumulated overdraft fees and missed her high school graduation because she couldn't pay her school fees when her employer began skipping pay checks and shorted her $1,200.
"Thanks to them, I couldn't finish high school," Rodriguez said. "Now my credit is totally ruined."
Wage theft also has significant racial dimensions.
"Among U.S.-born workers, blacks had the highest violation rates at 35%, compared with 17% of Asians, 12% of Latinos and 1% of whites," Crain's reported.
The article thoroughly documents numerous cases of wage theft in the Chicago metro area and what workers go through when their paychecks are repeatedly short. When even a publication dedicated to business news is willing to report this extensively about people at bottom of the economic spectrum, it's clear that the issue is a serious problem. If you're interested in the plight of Cook County's least fortunate, the article is a must read.
Just a few weeks ago, we reported on a former car wash employee who stood up against his former boss and demanded he be paid the overtime he earned. Luis Perez received some of his overdue wages back, but not all workers are that lucky.
Although many Americans demand that poor folks in this country be more self-reliant, many poor folks might have the "self" part of the equation worked out. But they can't rely on who's supposed to be doling out their hard-earned pay check.
Read more: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-muckrakers/2010/12/many-working-poor-have-a-job---they-just-dont-get-paid.html#ixzz18On5NuSZ
JMONTOMEPPOF
Chuck Repke
See if this shows this time...
From the Chicago Reporter..
Poor people are poor because they don't want to work, right? That's what a lot of Americans believe.
But imagine working 40 hours a week, even putting in overtime, and having nothing to show for it. That's a reality for many of Chicago's workers who experience wage theft--employers circumventing the law by paying under the minimum wage, shorting hours, asking employees to work off the clock or just not paying them at all.
An investigation by Crain's Chicago Business reveals just how pervasive wage theft is in Cook County. Of Cook County's 310,000 low-wage workers, about half of them have experienced wage theft, according to a study by the University of Illinois at Chicago.
And for workers already making low wages, getting less than they're due can have some serious impact--unpaid bills, utility shutoffs, evictions, high-interest loans and poor credit.
More at chicagoreporter.com
Crain's reporter and former Chicago Reporter intern Claire Bushey talked to Jesenya Rodriguez, who accumulated overdraft fees and missed her high school graduation because she couldn't pay her school fees when her employer began skipping pay checks and shorted her $1,200.
"Thanks to them, I couldn't finish high school," Rodriguez said. "Now my credit is totally ruined."
Wage theft also has significant racial dimensions.
"Among U.S.-born workers, blacks had the highest violation rates at 35%, compared with 17% of Asians, 12% of Latinos and 1% of whites," Crain's reported.
The article thoroughly documents numerous cases of wage theft in the Chicago metro area and what workers go through when their paychecks are repeatedly short. When even a publication dedicated to business news is willing to report this extensively about people at bottom of the economic spectrum, it's clear that the issue is a serious problem. If you're interested in the plight of Cook County's least fortunate, the article is a must read.
Just a few weeks ago, we reported on a former car wash employee who stood up against his former boss and demanded he be paid the overtime he earned. Luis Perez received some of his overdue wages back, but not all workers are that lucky.
Although many Americans demand that poor folks in this country be more self-reliant, many poor folks might have the "self" part of the equation worked out. But they can't rely on who's supposed to be doling out their hard-earned pay check.
Read more: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-muckrakers/2010/12/many-working-poor-have-a-job---they-just-dont-get-paid.html#ixzz18On5NuSZ
Chuck Repke
Democrats have been soaking off the misfortune of blacks and illegal immigrants for votes ever since the the slaves became emancipated.
-----------------------
Jeff proves that racists are usually ignorant about history too.
The Republican Party enjoyed the
loyalty of ex-slaves and their descendants from Reconstruction all the way through WWI. It was FDR that first earned a majority of support but, he also earned it from the programs he put forth. Truman took it a step further with his desegregation of the Military orders and Ike won a lot of black Americans back for the Republican Party.
Kennedy won a sizable amount with his campaign on civil rights but it really wasn't until LBJ signing off on the Civil Right Act and Voting Rights Act did a solid majority become Democrats. 100 years after the civil war during the civil rights movement did the black vote become solidly Democratic. And, the white southern vote begin its journey to a near solid Republican vote.
So, the Democrats have counted on a solid majority of the black vote since their support of Civil Rights issues and their programs aimed at the poor and underserved. That goes to the 60's with a lot of it being rooted in the New Deal of the 30's.
Before that, the Party of Lincoln enjoyed the solid majority of the black vote.
In spite of the spin from uber, rage-filled conservatives like Swiftee, and misinformation from Jeff, blacks ARE voting their interests. Its just a lot of time the Republicans got nothing to offer and the Democrats are stuck at offering what sounded good 40 years ago.
Eric
Chuck, you pencil necked, sewer dwelling, leftist cocksucker.
I was born and raised on the South side of Chicago with four brothers and sisters who, along with me, were abandoned by my father; a pencil necked, sewer dwelling drunk cocksucker much like yourself. (I'm sure he voted Democrat every time a Democrat ward heeler waved a bottle of Rebel Yell at him.)
I used to push a grocery cart full of returnable pop bottles to the grocery store and come home with whatever dinner that would buy.
I never asked anyone for shit, and nobody gave me shit. I earned my education with 4 years hard labor in the Navy, and paid every cent that the GI Bill didn't cover myself.
I am living proof that those bootstraps are sturdy as the person wearing them makes them.
I've lived my whole life with black Americans. I have seen many pull themselves up by the bootstraps you hock loogy's on.
I've also seen just as many fall for the sales pitch from leftist scumbags like you end up making a living from government handouts and petty crime end up in the joint, leaving five kids from five different girls out here for someone else to raise.
I'm typing this, right now, from my home away from home on the corner of 27th and Emerson Ave. N.
Stop by anytime and ask for me.
I get along just fine with the 'bangers on the block because I treat everyone worth the effort respectfully, and the 'bangers have learned that with me, respect is a two way street.
I don't judge people by things they have no control over...like the color of their skin. I leave that to people like you.
Listen, you punk...
I don't need a crystal ball to know that if and when black America ever wakes up and claims their birthright as Americans, it's fucking leftist wastes of flesh like you that will be begging "don't shoot me".
Don't look at me for help.
Eric, you're right. Kennedy was a Democrat that believed in black Americans, and many Southern racists fled to the GOP because of that, and remain there still.
But who would you rather face off against; impotent, ignorant, uneducated trailer trash or smooth talking, well educated paperhangers promising a free check in return for your future, and the future of your children, and the future of your grandchildren.
Wake up, fer GOd's sake!
See if this shows this time...
From the Chicago Reporter..
Poor people are poor because they don't want to work, right? That's what a lot of Americans believe.
But imagine working 40 hours a week, even putting in overtime, and having nothing to show for it. That's a reality for many of Chicago's workers who experience wage theft--employers circumventing the law by paying under the minimum wage, shorting hours, asking employees to work off the clock or just not paying them at all.
An investigation by Crain's Chicago Business reveals just how pervasive wage theft is in Cook County. Of Cook County's 310,000 low-wage workers, about half of them have experienced wage theft, according to a study by the University of Illinois at Chicago.
And for workers already making low wages, getting less than they're due can have some serious impact--unpaid bills, utility shutoffs, evictions, high-interest loans and poor credit.
More at chicagoreporter.com
Crain's reporter and former Chicago Reporter intern Claire Bushey talked to Jesenya Rodriguez, who accumulated overdraft fees and missed her high school graduation because she couldn't pay her school fees when her employer began skipping pay checks and shorted her $1,200.
"Thanks to them, I couldn't finish high school," Rodriguez said. "Now my credit is totally ruined."
Wage theft also has significant racial dimensions.
"Among U.S.-born workers, blacks had the highest violation rates at 35%, compared with 17% of Asians, 12% of Latinos and 1% of whites," Crain's reported.
The article thoroughly documents numerous cases of wage theft in the Chicago metro area and what workers go through when their paychecks are repeatedly short. When even a publication dedicated to business news is willing to report this extensively about people at bottom of the economic spectrum, it's clear that the issue is a serious problem. If you're interested in the plight of Cook County's least fortunate, the article is a must read.
Just a few weeks ago, we reported on a former car wash employee who stood up against his former boss and demanded he be paid the overtime he earned. Luis Perez received some of his overdue wages back, but not all workers are that lucky.
Although many Americans demand that poor folks in this country be more self-reliant, many poor folks might have the "self" part of the equation worked out. But they can't rely on who's supposed to be doling out their hard-earned pay check.
Read more: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-muckrakers/2010/12/many-working-poor-have-a-job---they-just-dont-get-paid.html#ixzz18On5NuSZ
Chuck Repke
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