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Friday, September 08, 2006

ON Thunes Taxes by Rick Mon

I posted this for Rick. I omitted the address street numbers.

Rick Mons wrote:
As you may recall, I posted a comment in an earlier thread regarding the allegations that Dave Thune was paying less in taxes over time. The poster back then said they were sure I was wrong and promised to get the "real information" once they returned to work.

Well, a week has now passed -- and no response from Mr. or Ms. Anonymous.

For the record -- and I think it should be posted as a separate thread -- here's a more polished version of what I wrote earlier:

Some anonymous poster wrote:

I wish you would put the information back on your site about thune's property taxes. the Watchdog newspaper did a story about him some time ago and I remember reading it. I could not believe what they were saying, so on my lunch break I went over to the Courthouse and checked on Thunes taxes and they DID GO DOWN, while other people were being raised.

Rick Mons is not telling the truth. I saw the tax statement with my own eyes.

Well, Mr or Ms Anonymous, you will have to get your eyes examined. Here's the information on Mr. Thune's three properties.

For each property, I've shown the Property ID Number (PIN) and street address. Then I've shown the taxes levied per the Ramsey County data base ... anyone who wants to verify it can do so at this site:

The data:
PIN: 062822320046 - ** Irvine Park
2004 - $3,540
2005 - $3,916
2006 - $4,490

PIN: 112823140133 - *** W 7th St
2004 - $8,120
2005 - $8,316
2006 - $8,780

PIN: 122823210083 - *** Colborne Street
2004 - $740
2005 - $798
2006 - $922

These sure look like tax increases to me.

Now it is possible that taxes several years earlier may have been higher for the commercial property (*** W 7th St). If so, I suspect that the general restructuring of property taxes on commercial properties may have contributed ... but you can hardly blame Thune for a state-wide legislative modification that affected all commercial properties.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok Mons you little I'm gonna have to take off the glove with you. i was trying to be nice to you by letting it go, but since you persist, I'm gonna let yu have it!

I don't have time now.....gotta take my kids somewhere, but I'll be back later, and when I am, you are gonna be toast!!!!!

4:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well maybe we should examine the tax examiner's job. They are wrong sometimes. Maybe they should have risen more because it doesn't seem they are high enough. The post doesn't state what the value is on the real estate either. He may be getting a real good deal by the examiner. Let's just examine the whole thing again. Assessments should be checked also.

I'm not saying anything was intentional, if it did happen. Just that mistakes are made and the value of these properties should be posted. Maybe we could get some Ademers to drive past and get pictures and put a value on them. We could really do some homework here and see if these amounts are correct. There must be some edemocracy people familiar with house values and investment property.

Mr. Mons really wants to keep this subject open so we really need to help him and put an end to this after all the above examinations are thoroughly done of course. Okay, Mr. Mons is this what you wanted more checking on? You are such a good customer here, we only want to make you happy.

We could also check for code violations on all council members houses and other properties also. Why would we do that? Because we really want to make you happy and hope to have you return here of course! Have a great day, bye now.

5:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

correction above
Oops meant to say Ademocracy people familiar with home values

5:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kind of curious, the property taxes on 14 Jessamine are alittle over $4,000 for 2006 so I am assumming Mr. Thunes property in Irving Park is comparible to a condemned home that had to be demolished. And the one on Colborne should of been demolished a long time ago. That is if proprty taxes go on the value and condition of the home. Which I have always been under the impression that what the taxes are based on, or maybe it depends who you are and if they like you or not? I don't know the answer can someone explain it to me?

Nancy (formerly of St. Paul)

6:59 PM  
Blogger Rick Mons said...


the tax records for 14 Jessamine show $2,180 in taxes and $2,538 in assessments.

9:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK Mons I am back and it time to pay the piper. I have cooled off a little bit and I am going to give you a second chance, but you cannot keep comming here with all of your half truths Rick. If you are going to throw something out there, tell us all of it, not just the part you want to use to support your story.

You have been a bad boy Rick and you are going to have to be punished by now having everyone know what you tried to pull.

You make the charge that I or someone else told a lie before about Thune property tax going down when everyone else's went up. then you come and give us all your wonderful information on what taxes were paid, and even attach the pin ID numbers to it so it looks official and everyone believes you.

It almost worked!

What you DID NOT tell us was that Thunes valuation of the property (which is used to determine the property tax) went down by almost $50,000.00 for his property tax payable in 2006, which means that his property tax also went down from what it would have been had he not gotten a reduction in the value of his property.

Everyone elses property valuation has been going up Rick and that means they have paid more taxes and Thunes valuation went down which means he paid less in property taxes than he should have.

That does not sound very progressive to me buddy!'s that? just got put in your place and I hope for the last time.

You are on probation Mons and if I have to come back here and deal with your BS again, I am going to have to give you a good tounge lashing.

I'll be watchin.

11:20 PM  
Blogger Rick Mons said...

Thune's taxable market value went up in each of the four years for his principle residence:

Taxable Mkt Value
2004 - 268,000
2005 - 325,700
2006 - 374,600
2007 - 430,800

Maybe you're not aware that the tax amount is predicated on the Taxable Market Value.

I'm not sure what you have against Thune -- all I know is that his property taxes increased (contrary to your claim) and his Taxable Market Value increased as well.

1:02 AM  
Blogger Rick Mons said...

the more I think about this, the more ludicrous it is.

You throw out lies, insults and BS ... and hide behind anonymity.

Sign your real name ... or slink back under your rock.

1:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about the other properties? Something just doesn't seem right here. What does he own on Colborne Street? Those are some really low taxes and if that's not his residence, it must be a business or rental. Very low taxes?

8:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like Rick is right on this one.

9:34 AM  
Blogger Rick Mons said...

What about the other properties? Something just doesn't seem right here. What does he own on Colborne Street?

You can look up the data for all three properties by using the web address I furnished and the PINs (Property Identification Numbers).

BTW, I was accused of providing the PINs "so it looks official and everyone believes (me)." Actually, I did it so anyone could verify what I'd written. That's why I also provided the web page that you can use to look up the properties.

11:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But it still doesn't mean that they are being assessed correctly and that the fair market value has been placed on them.

11:40 AM  
Blogger Bob said...

I hope this is the end of this discussion. Rick proved his point.

He has put up with about as much grief as anyone can to set the record straight.

I for one respect his courage to come here and be subjected to character assaults and still make his point.

I think we all seek the truth.

After all I am the one responsible for posting the original information on Daves taxes.

I personally am grateful to Rick for being a stand up guy.

No disrespect intended to those who oppose Mr. Mons.And no animosity to the people who originally gave me the information.

I understand you feel you are right only as it stands the evidence Rick has provided sure seems reasonable.

Please lets get on with our objectives! Just my opinion.

11:42 AM  
Blogger Bob said...

I am very sorry to say I have been informed by Rick Mons he will no longer participate in the discussions here.

The language he was subjected to and some personal stuff that "maybe" attributed to his participation in the dialog here have brought him to the conclusion it is just not worth it.

This is very disappointing to me. It takes at least two to TANGO.

Where is Mad Hatter also?

After the blog gains more notoriety we will have many opposing voices. Once again, Let's educate, not anger.

12:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How ca you help not to anger people when they post lies. Rick Mons posting about Thunes limited market value being the amount he pays proprty taxes on is just a bunch of hot air. Another lie to cover up a lie because he cannot ever admit he is wrong. I looked at the property tax statement and yes Rick is right that the limited market value is what the taxes are figured from, but if the regular market value of the home did not go down, them the limited market value would have also been huigher and Thune still would have paid more property tax.

Rick Mons got backed into a corner he cannot get out of, so rather than just walk away with his just due humiliation, he tries to make some deal out of someo one here doing somewthing to him or hurting his feelings. He can dish it out but he cannot take it. Pretty typical of the poeple he sticks up for too.

3:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How I feel about this is: I don't have time to think about Mr. Mons feelings. It doesn't seem like he cared anything about property rights or civil rights coming here as he did. I think everyone here has or had enough problems brought on by the city and in just life itself. We are all busy raising kids, working, paying the bills, keeping our businesses going, taxes, crime, etc. I could just scream. There is already too much havoc. If someone feels led to defend a member of the city, then he obviously doesn't have too many problems going on with his own life. Mr. Mons comes across as never having a problem in the world. Then he comes here and advocates for the city, who has a whole attorney's office at their disposal.

I felt the wrath of the city in more ways than I'd care to share. The last thing I need to hear is some pompous character shouting gleefully for the city!

If you can't tell by my post, I am a woman, a mom, a wife and have been put through hell for the past 2 years now. No, I won't let him try to cram anything more down my throat. I don't know what motivates him, but I know that after all I've been through, he's like an annoying little gnat that you just want to slap.

So he's not to appear here anymore? So be it. As if anyone here really needs it. We will be getting the point across and the word and truth out with or without him. I sure he will be replaced all too soon.

4:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rick Mons is a sock puppet for the city council

9:12 PM  
Blogger Bob said...

Hi All,

I am pleased so many have an opinion on this issue.

"At least you didn't say you would rip his head off and s**t down his throat"!

That is one of the worse threats I have heard from the opposition.

9:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Set them up we'll knock em down. The ones left standing will know the truth.

10:04 PM  
Anonymous Phil-Washington County said...

As a tax assesor I can tell you that Mr Mons is missing something. I would not insult in like some have on this site, but he does lack the understanding of how "market values" work. Bob, don't be so quick to attack people for going after these government types. Sometimes this is only what they understand.

9:37 PM  

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